Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 dear Ordinary Sparrow.. thank you for your lovely post, and your ramblings that are fascinating to read. My beginning experiences of the void seemed similiar to yours, where in my dreams I would be taken to the bottom of a house and would find nothing beneath it. On waking, I used to reimagine myself falling in and dissapearing.. I always had an instinctive impulse to head straight into things I was scared of, particulary from dreams..I am, however, nowhere near your depth of experience with the void and its teachings.. I was most interested to read of your description of the grail, and how it was bought down from heaven after the battle between good and evil. K took me through a difficult process, where first all my fears and my horror were faced and overcome with the power of surrender to Spirit. My attachments to my fear was stripped away, and that was a long tough battle as my ego tried to hold onto them. Shortly after, before I scarecly had time to breath, all my dreams of happiness and pleasure and goodness and finding fulfillment in my dreams were stripped away from me, and that was also painful. I really felt like I had been left with nothing.. haha.. ((litte did I know ) I guess it was a little like the Buddha when he sat under the bodhi tree and faced his demons and then resisted temptation. (Mine took more like 1000 nights instead of 1 night.. lol) .. I started to have a lot of Christian experiences in the dream states. Two in particular stood out. In the first, I was with my Tibetan Master in a house and a dove flew in from the rain. His servant let it in the window and gave it to me and from that day I was given almost permanent entry into 'the peace that surpasses understanding' as an ongoing 'sensation' or ground of being. I realized that peace is the highest prize The next, which is what I want to bouce off you, was I was gifted with the Holy Grail about a month later. I had been travelling through a wasteland on a pigrimage through a land that had been scarred and devastated by a battle and I came to a cave, and there was a golden chalice, which was very old and very holy and radiated sacredness. It was instinctively clear that I had found the grail, and then I was transported to a hair salon with the grail. reading your post, its interesting how the grail is bought down through the middle of the war, which now makes sense on reflection of what I went through. My question, then, is how do you experience the Grail in your day-t-day life? And if you were to rephrase what it symbolizes, how would you do that? love Bruce , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > dear Linda > > there are many similarities, my teacher from India says the Shiva > energetic is more like the energetic of the God in the Old testament, > and Krishna is more like the Christ energetic. . . I personally > energetically feel two very separate God energetics in the writing of > the Old Testament and even the New Testament, and for me that explains > the often contradictions. . . .I started out as a fundamentalist > Southern Baptist and it was a process of peeling that programming before > i could approach the world of spirituality and K Ma with encountering > some layers of the old fear programming. . . > > but through the years K Ma's allowance of Eastern spirituality has only > brought a much deeper love and understanding for the Christ and his > teachings. Nowadays when i read the parables i sense the K Ma teachings > time and time again. . .but then i think the Holy Spirit is K Ma. . . I > remember the first time i deeply grasped that this awesome/at times > awful force was actually the Holy Spirit of God, and i was amazed in > holy tremble. . . i had said it before but to really let it sink in. . . > . > > my teachers from India have each made the comment that in Indian > spirituality there is only One Supreme Source, even thought many in the > Western world believe they have millions of separate Gods. . . the way i > have come to see it is that the Christians have a three sided Trinity > and the East has a huge multifaceted disco like sphere where each deity > reflects an aspect of the One orb. . . > > Linda this last weekend when you where speaking of the void, i > considered writing several times, but i find that when i think of the > void there is a tendency to enter the void. . .the void has been an > ongoing experience for me. . .starting in child hood i would have dreams > and be taken in the void. . .It would start of with me thinking i was > going to a movie theater in a large complex that resembled a Los Vegas > casino with flashing lights and would get on the elevator and the bottom > would drop out and i would find myself in a underworld that expanded > without limit. . .in the dream i would be instructed to walk a path and > on the left and on the right was the most horrific vile degradation > known to human. . .i would be shown that i must keep walking and not be > snared by the darkness, to fully see its reality, but to hold to the > light on the small narrow path up the middle. . .for years i would wake > up screaming with the images and would go back to sleep and be given > another beautiful dream of a sublime beautiful setting in nature with > wild animals near and dear friends and would sit by a crystal waterfall > and release through love and forgiveness anything that had been found in > the underworld. . .like you the dreams where so very intense and real. > Those where the beginning of what i called the abyss or void dreams. . > .everything was there. . . > > then in 95 when K Ma went to the crown, there it was like the crystal > waterfall opened at the crown and i was bathed in the sweet spring of > nectar. i entred the Void for forty days. . .for three days i was blind > and could only see blackness and at times a cross would come floating > through. . . .whatever the mind focused on was revealed in its fullness. > . .without edges. . .the universal mind was shown and allowed during > those days, twenty days in the light and twenty days in the dark. . . > the one that went in was not the one that emerged dripping with after > birth. . . . While in the Void there were many teachers that gathered > and gave instructions. . .there where teachers from all religions and > many of them i did not know until later i began to explore Eastern > spirituality and recognized them as Gurus from India that have made > transition. . .and once again the prominent instruction had to do with > walking the middle path up the middle and not becoming snared by either > the right or the left, but to see them fully and to keep the focus on > love and light. I began to realize that Jesus teaches the same thing, > Love God, Love Self, and Love and Serve one another. . . There was > continuous testing of holding to the middle path, and when i would allow > the mind to get snared would be given a physical electrical shock. . > .and each time i failed the test the shock would become stronger. . .I > think Ma was training me and knew that at times this child needed a bit > of behavior mod. to keep on track. . . Phew mercy! i can be such a slow > learner. . . then after emerging there where a a few months of intense > synthesizing of the experience, but nowadays i find the void is > accessible with just bringing it to mind. I can visit it but i do not > live within it continuously. . . Julie brought up the issue that the > void and abyss seemed different, and i think i understood her reference > for there is also the entrance of moving into the black hole void and > just being suspended in the most awesome embrace. . . .and then when i > read what had to say about the abyss could truly relate also. . > .so there seems to be different expressions and levels that characterize > the experience. . .but the variables that are consitent is it is always > a place that expands the limits of my known everyday reality, and at > first it was the opening to the world of maya and with all of its > illusions, and then as those are seen for what they are then Ma lifts us > to the space of Universal mind and i think there are levels of access to > the Universal Mind. . .with a conditioning of being able to contain the > experience and not to allow the egoic to attach to it either. . . but > rather the process of an every increasing clearning of channel for the > expression of the Holy Spirit/K Ma. . . even though i have gone through > what is called K Ma i do not say i am Kundalini Awakened, for to me it > is such an ongoing process, and have never felt the word Attainment. . > .because each time i go into the void whatever has been acquired soon > expands. . . > > just this week i came across a myth by Walfrom a 12th century mystic and > poet and it was about the Holy Grail. . .and for the last four nights i > have lay awake until sunrise moving through the Void with layer upon > layer of puzzle pieces about the Grail and the Arc of the Covenant. . > .and then during the day i try to synthesis it, and there is a much more > difficult challenge for me, for my left brain struggles with finding > words and expressions that are clear and concise. The poem that i had > heard of long ago with reading Joseph Campbell was one of the references > that came forth while in the Void, and it spoke deeply and was > consistent with the lesson that the Void continues to take me into ever > deeping levels. . . > > a brief description of the mythology by Walfrom. . . He writes of the > Holy Grail and at one place he says the Grail or what he also calls the > Arc of the Covenant was brought down by the Neutral Angels. . .He > describes the war in Heaven between Light and Dark, Good and Evil, God's > angles and Lucifer's angels. . . and the myth goes that the Grail was > brought down by heaven through the middle by the neutral angels. . . > All of this opened for me this weekend after hearing of Dr. Tiller's the > Kansas abortion doctor's murder, whom i have meet and he is not a > monster, and i was trying to see clear the views of both the right and > the left and to find the place that i could honor both the opposing > groups. . .for as much as i am pro-life that is how much i am > pro-choice. . .so in the Void i keep being shown the connection with the > Holy Grail and Kundalini Ma and her process, and it seems Her teachings > for me is that everyone has the opportunity for the quest of the Holy > Grail within. And conception is like the Arc of the Covenant within the > body. . . conception is so very sacred yet and the Quest for the Grail > demands choice. And it seems to me that in order to attain the Holy > Grail we must be allowed the freedom of choice and to know the > consequences both positive and negative and that is how we are > transformed ... the only way the Grail is possilbe is when people live > their path from deep within through the direct guidance within and then > are able to find the Holy Grail is within. . .So perhaps every person > and every conception has the potential for the transformation of the > Christ within and that that transformation can only occur when a person > claims the responsibility for each and every choice?. . . i know that is > a ramble but often times the Void will open for me when i have a > question that i am trying to find balance and honor for others. . . .and > it seems to me that time and time again the same lesson comes forth for > me in this life time at various levels in the Void. . .over and over > again. . .embrace all. . .and dissolve duality. . .and this i am still > being taught from the Void and life. . . . > > Mercy! this is why i was not going to reply when it comes to the Void > it opens the door to so much and i cannot express the synthesis. . > .lol! . . .sorry. . .but thanks for allowing me to share and ponder this > great mystery. . . > > Linda I am curious if you or others have experiened lessons being > taught from the Void experience and how you have synthesised them. . . > .always for me what is the lesson here?. . .and like Julie my favorite > place in the Void is the suspension of deep peace and dissolving into no > thing. . . .so the Void seems connected to Universal Mind sometimes, and > other times the collective unconscious, and other times Samadhi????? I > wander if their are millions and millions of ways of teaching the most > basis Truths, Love and Serve?. . . . > > I have not listened to your video yet, but look forward to watching it > this evening. . .thanks for pointing to it. . .i have not read anything > from the Eastern view about the void. . . > > Thank you Linda for the allowance of pondering the Void experience with > others and yourself dear Sister. > > love and light > ordinary sparrow > > > > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > Thanks you, Ordinaraysparrow, for the great information about Shiva > and for your time in the double posting when you thought the first one > was lost. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 @@@ just this week i came across a myth by Walfrom a 12th century mystic @@@ Hi Ordinary Sparrow, Did you read of this on the net or elsewhere? If on the net could you give a link? When I read your post, I did not catch that about this myth saying the Arc of the Covenant and the Grail are one and the same. Going by the bible the Arc of the Covenant was built by the Isralites through Divine guidance. Exodus 25:10-22 I don't recall the Holy Grail being even mentioned in the bible and thought it to be some myth having to do with King Arthur or some such. I think I have read about it in some Gnostic writing that it was the cup that Jesus drank from in the last passover meal. Also read somewhere that it is the cup that caught the blood of Jesus. I was just wondering how the Arc of the covenant and the Grail could be the same? Where this originated from? I did read a few years ago about some person who had found what he believed was the Arc of the Covenant under Golgotha where Jesus was crucified. It was in the exact spot and blood from Jesus' wounds had run down through the rocks and landed on it. The blood sample was put under a mircroscope and was said to be live blood still after all this time. Also there was some odd about the blood DNA showing only one physical parent, I think it was. Don't know how true all that is. I have that site bookedmarked somewhere. hehe! in my many bookmarks! It's lost forever. As pointed out some time back that the Holy Grail is Kundalini/shakti and we all have it within us. Did I get that right, Chrism? Linda --- " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom wrote: > > dear Ordinary Sparrow.. > > thank you for your lovely post, and your ramblings that are fascinating to read. My beginning experiences of the void seemed similiar to yours, where in my dreams I would be taken to the bottom of a house and would find nothing beneath it. On waking, I used to reimagine myself falling in and dissapearing.. I always had an instinctive impulse to head straight into things I was scared of, particulary from dreams..I am, however, nowhere near your depth of experience with the void and its teachings.. > > I was most interested to read of your description of the grail, and how it was bought down from heaven after the battle between good and evil. K took me through a difficult process, where first all my fears and my horror were faced and overcome with the power of surrender to Spirit. My attachments to my fear was stripped away, and that was a long tough battle as my ego tried to hold onto them. Shortly after, before I scarecly had time to breath, all my dreams of happiness and pleasure and goodness and finding fulfillment in my dreams were stripped away from me, and that was also painful. I really felt like I had been left with nothing.. haha.. ((litte did I know ) I guess it was a little like the Buddha when he sat under the bodhi tree and faced his demons and then resisted temptation. (Mine took more like 1000 nights instead of 1 night.. lol) .. I started to have a lot of Christian experiences in the dream states. Two in particular stood out. In the first, I was with my Tibetan Master in a house and a dove flew in from the rain. His servant let it in the window and gave it to me and from that day I was given almost permanent entry into 'the peace that surpasses understanding' as an ongoing 'sensation' or ground of being. I realized that peace is the highest prize > > The next, which is what I want to bouce off you, was I was gifted with the Holy Grail about a month later. I had been travelling through > a wasteland on a pigrimage through a land that had been scarred and devastated by a battle and I came to a cave, and there was a golden chalice, which was very old and very holy and radiated sacredness. It was instinctively clear that I had found the grail, and then I was transported to a hair salon with the grail. reading your post, its interesting how the grail is bought down through the middle of the war, which now makes sense on reflection of what I went through. > > My question, then, is how do you experience the Grail in your day-t-day life? And if you were to rephrase what it symbolizes, how would you do that? > > love > Bruce > > --- " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@> wrote: > > > > dear Linda > > > > there are many similarities, my teacher from India says the Shiva > > energetic is more like the energetic of the God in the Old testament, > > and Krishna is more like the Christ energetic. . . I personally > > energetically feel two very separate God energetics in the writing of > > the Old Testament and even the New Testament, and for me that explains > > the often contradictions. . . .I started out as a fundamentalist > > Southern Baptist and it was a process of peeling that programming before > > i could approach the world of spirituality and K Ma with encountering > > some layers of the old fear programming. . . > > > > but through the years K Ma's allowance of Eastern spirituality has only > > brought a much deeper love and understanding for the Christ and his > > teachings. Nowadays when i read the parables i sense the K Ma teachings > > time and time again. . .but then i think the Holy Spirit is K Ma. . . I > > remember the first time i deeply grasped that this awesome/at times > > awful force was actually the Holy Spirit of God, and i was amazed in > > holy tremble. . . i had said it before but to really let it sink in. . . > > . > > > > my teachers from India have each made the comment that in Indian > > spirituality there is only One Supreme Source, even thought many in the > > Western world believe they have millions of separate Gods. . . the way i > > have come to see it is that the Christians have a three sided Trinity > > and the East has a huge multifaceted disco like sphere where each deity > > reflects an aspect of the One orb. . . > > > > Linda this last weekend when you where speaking of the void, i > > considered writing several times, but i find that when i think of the > > void there is a tendency to enter the void. . .the void has been an > > ongoing experience for me. . .starting in child hood i would have dreams > > and be taken in the void. . .It would start of with me thinking i was > > going to a movie theater in a large complex that resembled a Los Vegas > > casino with flashing lights and would get on the elevator and the bottom > > would drop out and i would find myself in a underworld that expanded > > without limit. . .in the dream i would be instructed to walk a path and > > on the left and on the right was the most horrific vile degradation > > known to human. . .i would be shown that i must keep walking and not be > > snared by the darkness, to fully see its reality, but to hold to the > > light on the small narrow path up the middle. . .for years i would wake > > up screaming with the images and would go back to sleep and be given > > another beautiful dream of a sublime beautiful setting in nature with > > wild animals near and dear friends and would sit by a crystal waterfall > > and release through love and forgiveness anything that had been found in > > the underworld. . .like you the dreams where so very intense and real. > > Those where the beginning of what i called the abyss or void dreams. . > > .everything was there. . . > > > > then in 95 when K Ma went to the crown, there it was like the crystal > > waterfall opened at the crown and i was bathed in the sweet spring of > > nectar. i entred the Void for forty days. . .for three days i was blind > > and could only see blackness and at times a cross would come floating > > through. . . .whatever the mind focused on was revealed in its fullness. > > . .without edges. . .the universal mind was shown and allowed during > > those days, twenty days in the light and twenty days in the dark. . . > > the one that went in was not the one that emerged dripping with after > > birth. . . . While in the Void there were many teachers that gathered > > and gave instructions. . .there where teachers from all religions and > > many of them i did not know until later i began to explore Eastern > > spirituality and recognized them as Gurus from India that have made > > transition. . .and once again the prominent instruction had to do with > > walking the middle path up the middle and not becoming snared by either > > the right or the left, but to see them fully and to keep the focus on > > love and light. I began to realize that Jesus teaches the same thing, > > Love God, Love Self, and Love and Serve one another. . . There was > > continuous testing of holding to the middle path, and when i would allow > > the mind to get snared would be given a physical electrical shock. . > > .and each time i failed the test the shock would become stronger. . .I > > think Ma was training me and knew that at times this child needed a bit > > of behavior mod. to keep on track. . . Phew mercy! i can be such a slow > > learner. . . then after emerging there where a a few months of intense > > synthesizing of the experience, but nowadays i find the void is > > accessible with just bringing it to mind. I can visit it but i do not > > live within it continuously. . . Julie brought up the issue that the > > void and abyss seemed different, and i think i understood her reference > > for there is also the entrance of moving into the black hole void and > > just being suspended in the most awesome embrace. . . .and then when i > > read what had to say about the abyss could truly relate also. . > > .so there seems to be different expressions and levels that characterize > > the experience. . .but the variables that are consitent is it is always > > a place that expands the limits of my known everyday reality, and at > > first it was the opening to the world of maya and with all of its > > illusions, and then as those are seen for what they are then Ma lifts us > > to the space of Universal mind and i think there are levels of access to > > the Universal Mind. . .with a conditioning of being able to contain the > > experience and not to allow the egoic to attach to it either. . . but > > rather the process of an every increasing clearning of channel for the > > expression of the Holy Spirit/K Ma. . . even though i have gone through > > what is called K Ma i do not say i am Kundalini Awakened, for to me it > > is such an ongoing process, and have never felt the word Attainment. . > > .because each time i go into the void whatever has been acquired soon > > expands. . . > > > > just this week i came across a myth by Walfrom a 12th century mystic and > > poet and it was about the Holy Grail. . .and for the last four nights i > > have lay awake until sunrise moving through the Void with layer upon > > layer of puzzle pieces about the Grail and the Arc of the Covenant. . > > .and then during the day i try to synthesis it, and there is a much more > > difficult challenge for me, for my left brain struggles with finding > > words and expressions that are clear and concise. The poem that i had > > heard of long ago with reading Joseph Campbell was one of the references > > that came forth while in the Void, and it spoke deeply and was > > consistent with the lesson that the Void continues to take me into ever > > deeping levels. . . > > > > a brief description of the mythology by Walfrom. . . He writes of the > > Holy Grail and at one place he says the Grail or what he also calls the > > Arc of the Covenant was brought down by the Neutral Angels. . .He > > describes the war in Heaven between Light and Dark, Good and Evil, God's > > angles and Lucifer's angels. . . and the myth goes that the Grail was > > brought down by heaven through the middle by the neutral angels. . . > > All of this opened for me this weekend after hearing of Dr. Tiller's the > > Kansas abortion doctor's murder, whom i have meet and he is not a > > monster, and i was trying to see clear the views of both the right and > > the left and to find the place that i could honor both the opposing > > groups. . .for as much as i am pro-life that is how much i am > > pro-choice. . .so in the Void i keep being shown the connection with the > > Holy Grail and Kundalini Ma and her process, and it seems Her teachings > > for me is that everyone has the opportunity for the quest of the Holy > > Grail within. And conception is like the Arc of the Covenant within the > > body. . . conception is so very sacred yet and the Quest for the Grail > > demands choice. And it seems to me that in order to attain the Holy > > Grail we must be allowed the freedom of choice and to know the > > consequences both positive and negative and that is how we are > > transformed ... the only way the Grail is possilbe is when people live > > their path from deep within through the direct guidance within and then > > are able to find the Holy Grail is within. . .So perhaps every person > > and every conception has the potential for the transformation of the > > Christ within and that that transformation can only occur when a person > > claims the responsibility for each and every choice?. . . i know that is > > a ramble but often times the Void will open for me when i have a > > question that i am trying to find balance and honor for others. . . .and > > it seems to me that time and time again the same lesson comes forth for > > me in this life time at various levels in the Void. . .over and over > > again. . .embrace all. . .and dissolve duality. . .and this i am still > > being taught from the Void and life. . . . > > > > Mercy! this is why i was not going to reply when it comes to the Void > > it opens the door to so much and i cannot express the synthesis. . > > .lol! . . .sorry. . .but thanks for allowing me to share and ponder this > > great mystery. . . > > > > Linda I am curious if you or others have experiened lessons being > > taught from the Void experience and how you have synthesised them. . . > > .always for me what is the lesson here?. . .and like Julie my favorite > > place in the Void is the suspension of deep peace and dissolving into no > > thing. . . .so the Void seems connected to Universal Mind sometimes, and > > other times the collective unconscious, and other times Samadhi????? I > > wander if their are millions and millions of ways of teaching the most > > basis Truths, Love and Serve?. . . . > > > > I have not listened to your video yet, but look forward to watching it > > this evening. . .thanks for pointing to it. . .i have not read anything > > from the Eastern view about the void. . . > > > > Thank you Linda for the allowance of pondering the Void experience with > > others and yourself dear Sister. > > > > love and light > > ordinary sparrow > > > > > > > > > > --- " Linda " > > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks you, Ordinaraysparrow, for the great information about Shiva > > and for your time in the double posting when you thought the first one > > was lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Namste dear Bruce. . .these are just some of my continued thoughts from your post. . .truly thanks alot for sharing your experience of the void, it is so nice to hear of other's experiences with K Ma. . .the uniqueness and the similarity. . . you have such powerful help and transformation in your dream time. . .truly what all of us have undertaken this life time is holy ground and i am blessed by each persons travels and sharing. . .the sharing that occurs with this groups of travelers is so very rich and am so grateful to all. . . These two questions you ask. . . .Phew! do not know if i can synthesis them and communicate clearly. . . or if i am reading your questions correctly? This is how i could attempt to rephrase what is symbolizes? And please hold all with a lose mind, for i sure do. . .Bruce i cannot speak to the attainment of the Holy Grail, but can only speak of the Quest for the Holy Grail. . . The second question i will try to give a summary at the end of how i experience the Quest for the Grail in day to day life. . .And please i am so sorry for the length, it is hell being right brain, for i see so many images and so struggle with being able to see anything with one image or a few sentences. . . " My question, then, is how do you experience the Grail in your day-t-day life? And if you were to rephrase what it symbolizes, how would you do that? " [0] <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kirlK7AfRHM/Sil075XBu_I/AAAAAAAAAw4/RBbHOOGaC\ WI/s1600-h/Sangreal.jpg> My re-phrase for the Quest of the Holy Grail is the entire spiritual journey from conception into density or matter to Attainment into Oneness beyond materiality. . . The energetics of the Grail probably vibrates out from the One source that is embedded in the spark and is expressed through the sacred journeys of every life form. . . The journey unfolds through every conception and through each plane and phase of dense dark matter where there is no awareness of it and into life times such as this where we are made aware of the spark, the fire, the vessel, the journey, the gift, the grace, through the transformative power of K Ma. . . We are questors of the Holy Grail and we are the Holiness within the Grail. . . When does the Quest of the Holy Grail begin???? Probably from first conception???? And i would say that every conception and every creature is most holy embuned with miles to go upon the Quest leading to return. Life is so very sacred. . .and i do not believe that life can be destroyed only returned. . . When does it end??? When we have returned to the One true Source and are no longer defined by the material. . . .and yet each life and each life time must be part of the journey of the Holy Grail. . .But in truth Bruce i do not think we ever come to the end of the Quest. . .kinda like the story of Vishnu that dreams the world for eons and then he wakes up and has a laugh and goes back to sleep and starts a new dream. . .i will bet that someday when each of us have thought, now this is attainment, that we will find that a new world opens up that we had absolutley no awareness of ???. . . . . .I think God/Goddess is always expansion, even when the experience is into contration, the contraction is only for the expulsion of a new creature, or creation?????. . . . . much like the contractions of birthing. . . .we contract in order to expand. . . . I really like the above picture, i found it on Wicki under the search for the Holy Grail. . .when i look i see K Ma. . .the fire at her feet, the robe that looks like she is pregnant with God, the bowed head of surrender, the shape of the chalice looks like the pineal gland, and also the cup that holds the sacred substance. . .and even the floor in squares perhaps symbolizing the four gates or the four directions of the earth, and the lattice of the weave on the windows symbolizing the universal mind with the light filtering in. . .it just energetically feels very K Ma to me. . . Bruce. . . this is just my musings and some images that have been shifting through the void land for me each night. . . please know i do not assert any type of validity, but i do trust that K Ma is trying to show an energetic pattering that she would like for me to grasp, and i let her play through the psyche and body. . . .and also i am very elementary in this world and do not have any academic knowledge, but just seeing it through my own lens. . . since ancient times the Grail and its many stories are plentiful with many speculations. . .and perhaps is is like the Fibonacci and the Golden spiral with may levels of expression replicating through out the Universe?? Bruce i think we have some similarities when it comes to how Ma works with us and it is nice to share with you, and to hear yours and others experiences on similar realms with K Ma. . .but please know i lay no claim other than these could be my truth with a little " t " in the personal realms. . . i found this one a blog site called Kristina's world when i went looking for images. . . and will paste it for it synthesis much that has been coming up ,. . . once again in the description of the Arc of the Covenant through a myopic view i see Kundalini Ma???? i really like this assessment and sometimes things comes along the way with K Ma and we are left with a holy tremble. . . " The Ark seems to tell us that: IF SPIRIT IS THE ORIGIN AND INITIAL SPARK THEN OUR PHYSICAL MANIFESTATIONS (BODY, MATTER) & THOUGHTS ARE JUST A REFLECTION OF THAT SPIRIT. WE ARE ETERNAL LIGHT CONDENSED INTO A FINITE VESSEL. " [Ark Box Coffin] <http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ark_of_the_covenant.j\ pg> The Covenant of the Arc. . .is our body the box? Ark, n.–Old English arc, earc, `Noah's ark, box, coffin', from Latin arca, `chest', whence also Old High German arahha, arka (Middle High German, German, arche), `ark'. Old Slavic raka, `burial cave, rakev, `coffin`, are Teutonic loan words.) See arcanum and compare words there referred to. arcanum, n. Secret, mystery.– Latin arcanum, probably a substantive use of the neutered of arcanus, 'shut up, secret', originally `enclosed in a chest', from arca, `chest, coffin', which is related to arcere, `to enclose, keep away, ward off', and cognate with Greek άÏκειν to keep off',… ———————————- Description of Ark: Rectangular chest, made by God, gold and wood, oldest and most sacred of symbols. Fitted with rings and staves. Containing the 10 commandments of the covenant (2 tablets), and by some said to contain the pot of manna and Aaron's rod that budded. Two cherubim angels facing each other sit atop, folding their wings towards the middle, forming some kind of rhomb. In the middle there is a seat of mercy. May the below x-ray be the seat of mercy – the sacral bone (womb)? Look close at the two " twins/angels " that guard it on this X-ray. They guard the " concealed " secret of the divine spark being covered with flesh (the protected, enclosed Eden being the womb): [The Holiest Place] Interpretation of Ark: The material: Wood = Living, Gold =Truth. The Box is the outer casing hiding the sacred (body hiding the soul),The Box is the Rectangular, Manifest. Earth-bound, building. What is kept inside the ark are the 10 commandments = 1+0 = end and new beginnings, the sum total, Phi. Each two halves (two tablets) have one part of the truth – perhaps the two genders/principles. Stave in Ring (phallos and womb) = Synthesis, creation. Phi. Rings, pot of manna = 0 Staves, Aarons Rod = 1 The Cherumbim seem to have the same origin as the Sphinx – creatures that have both animal and higher nature. The ark is said to be able to destroy scorpions and serpents (wellknown symbols for our " lower " , earthbound nature). In Christianity, the Cherubim are often represented in iconography as faces of a lion, ox, eagle, and man peering out from the center of an array of four wings. They seem to be creative-inbetweens themselves – creatures of synthesis. The Creative in-between is in between the wings, and lower at the mercy seat (the result of the creative spark). [Creative in-between and life spark] <http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/arclite.gif> The Ark seems to tell us that: IF SPIRIT IS THE ORIGIN AND INITIAL SPARK THEN OUR PHYSICAL MANIFESTATIONS (BODY, MATTER) & THOUGHTS ARE JUST A REFLECTION OF THAT SPIRIT. WE ARE ETERNAL LIGHT CONDENSED INTO A FINITE VESSEL. [Judgment Waite] <http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/waite_m_20.jpg> NR 20 IN TAROT (2+0 END OF DUALITY), WHERE WE AWAKEN AND COME OUT OF OUR " COFFINS " AND REALIZE WE ARE ETERNAL SPIRIT. THE TRUMPET MAY VERY WELL SYMBOLIZE THE 1 AND 0 OR THE TRUNCATED DIVINE PHALLOS LETTING OUT THE WORD/VIBRATION/SEEDS/LIGHT. THIS LEADS TO THE WORLD (21); THE NUDE LITTLE BEING INSIDE THE WOMB. THE LITTLE 1 INSIDE THE 0 CREATING PHI. 1. As a pre-schooler my older seven brothers and sisters would gather around the T.V. to watch Popeye. . .i had little draw to the T.V. because i loved Nature and all the animals outdoors. . .but there was one line on Popeye that i would become reveded by; " I yam that i yam " . .. so i had it worked out with the seventh child to come to the door and yell at me on the commercial before the last segment that Popeye would say his declaration. . .Would run back to the house and listen to it and would feel my belly fill with something that i had no clue of and then would run back outside and pick up a make believe corn or maize stalk touching each animal while and walk around barefooted in pig, cow, and horse poop, declaring; " I am that I am. " I did not have a clue as to what it meant, but it was such an energetic experience of being drawn into a ritual that had no cognitive frame but held a compulsion to engage. 2. At ten years old having the egoic destroyed by an act of violence, and being taken into the embrace of the Sacred Mother and being not talking for nearly a year while she strengthened the soul and brought me to the declaration that, if i where going to survive in this world, it would have to be by the force within. Bruce that is when it deeply began for me, for i went inward and made the resolve; To Thy Own Self Be True. .. . 3. H.S. throwing winning a track meet just feet before winning the race by walking off the track because the coach had pulled the girl that was trained to win the race and replaced me for her race, even though i had already participated in the five events that was permissible and it was a violation of the rules. But it was not the rules that caused me to walk off the field but rather knowing that the one girl that was suppose to run it was lanky and a bit clumsy and not gifted, but had given every time she had into the one race coach was allowing her to participate in. . .Bruce little times like that when i made decisions that where not popular but came from a deeper integrity underneath, those are the times i know where everyday, but where the fire of the quest for the Holy Grail. . 4. It so many times walking into situations thinking i had something to offer such as working with poverty in Mexico or Africa and finding that i had nothing of substance to offer but was shown the greatest wealth of all, the love, shining through the hearts of those that where considered nobody by the larger world. Always on the Quest we are brought the greatest teachers and often times they are the ones the worlds deems the lowest. . . I think when we go through the losses it is K Ma correcting us to show us what is most real and like little kids she has to pry our fingers off of all that is false so we can see the real. .. the enduring of who we truly are. . . 5. Evey day Grail for me was choosing to go deeply into my own psychological process and not ask a client to go where i was not willing to go in order to heal. . .To make decisions that did not allow me to hide behind some artificial professional image that would set me apart from being real. . .Everyday Grail for me is every time i do the work to honor all, especially those that i disagree with. . .every forgiveness is a quest for the Grail. . .equanimity and equality is questing for the Grail i believe. . .every surrender to that which is greater is questing for the Grail. . . 6. For the past ten plus years i have been engaged in the allowance of energetic work; and have had to lay flat on my back for the work to be done, and that has meant that i have not walked for ten years, while the work goes on non-stop each waking minute. . .and for me that is a everyday questing for the Grail as K Ma has brought me. . .I really like people and am quite social and have such a deep love for Nature that i would of never gone into the " cave " except for the commitment and surrender to K Ma in the questing for the Grail that she has ask of me. .. .And i see it all as grace and am sustained by the grace of K Ma and my teachers grace and goodness. The questing for the Holy Grail keeps teaching me that life is good, and all life is most sacred, and everyone in their the Oneness has uniqueness of purpose and journey. And that we can be there for others but in trust we each have to dive deep within and claim our own journeys. 7. Bruce i think nowadays the questing for the Grail is every time i am able to be true to the Divine source within. Too often i fail Bruce and for me that is part of the quest and learning from all of it. . . 8. The quest goes on and for me we each have deeply embarked into the quest for the Grail as we are being transformed by K Ma. . . 9. We are truly blessed with K Ma's guidance and grace, and there is constant forgiveness when we do not pass through certain spaces or trials, for She just loops us back and brings it forth again. . . 10. Everyday quest for me is summed most simple by these words; " To Thine own Self be True. " and having the courage to go. . . .and most every time that going is into unknowing. . .and perhaps at places the unknowable shall never be known for it is the great Mystery. Last night i listened to the link's that Linda supplied on going into the darkness and they where most interesting, you might like those Bruce. . . just some more ramblings and sharing. . .and much love and prayers for blessings for you Bruce and each in the group. . love and light ordinary sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Namste dear Linda. . .i can see how what i wrote was confusing. . .and yes i have read what you speak of, it is my understanding that there are many many postulations about the Holy Grail, and i think that the material that came to me in the void about Walfrom that i remembered as Volfrom until i did a web search was from Joseph Campbell years ago when i listened to his series on Mythology. . . I believe the epic poem by Walfrom is the story of the Holy Grail and in it he talks of the Arc of the Covenant being brought down to earth as a stone through the middle of the battle of the of the angels of light and dark by the neutral angels. . .i was just attempting to follow the energetic and the symbolic and was not really concerning much with all the different historical accounts of the Grail or the Arc of the Covenant. . .so please forgive and discard if they do not fit the biblical frames. . .Some how K Ma is moving the two back and forth with me and i have not grasped the distinction myself. . .or where it is going. . .just personal and experiential. . . I think K Ma was using the images to show energetics of the K Ma process and have tried to write a bit more about it in the reply to Bruce. . .I did not know that had said that K Ma was the same as the Grail, but that is the base of what was being shown to me also. . ..so glad to have the confirmation. . thanks. . .it is nice when we are able to see that what She brings us is consistent with others. Christine mentioned last week and i think you did also that K Ma brought you the Tibetians years ago. . .and that you followed those for a while. .. .I also started practicing the 5 Tibetians back in the late eighties and did so for several years and then in the early nineties the tongue lock was brought from the energetic within. . .i always like finding those consistencies in the K Ma process. . . and it really validates the process and the grace. . . helped me find the link to Walfrom from the net and once i had the correct spelling was able to find several reference to it on the web. . .just type in In Parzival, Wolfram von Eschenbach and it will take you to many links. . . .I think that when i heard about it from Joseph Campbell he said it was the Arc that came down through the middle but will have to go back and check that source. . .I find that in the Void i can be given many sliding images and often time it takes a while for me to pull them together and i may not of communicated them accurtely. . but i am getting mixed images of both the Arc and the Grail. .. and it may take me some time to get the point of what Ma is trying to show me. . .I think She has to work with each person's symbolic langauge in the energetic world much like dream scapes are often symbolic and created out of the personal images that we can peel. .. .and there are different accounts from mythology and the biblical quite often. . .and in this world i hold all very loose and see where it is trying to take me. . love and light ordinary sparrow , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > @@@ just this week i came across a myth by Walfrom a 12th century mystic @@@ > > Hi Ordinary Sparrow, Did you read of this on the net or elsewhere? If on the net could you give a link? > > When I read your post, I did not catch that about this myth saying the Arc of the Covenant and the Grail are one and the same. Going by the bible the Arc of the Covenant was built by the Isralites through Divine guidance. Exodus 25:10-22 > > I don't recall the Holy Grail being even mentioned in the bible and thought it to be some myth having to do with King Arthur or some such. I think I have read about it in some Gnostic writing that it was the cup that Jesus drank from in the last passover meal. Also read somewhere that it is the cup that caught the blood of Jesus. I was just wondering how the Arc of the covenant and the Grail could be the same? Where this originated from? I did read a few years ago about some person who had found what he believed was the Arc of the Covenant under Golgotha where Jesus was crucified. It was in the exact spot and blood from Jesus' wounds had run down through the rocks and landed on it. The blood sample was put under a mircroscope and was said to be live blood still after all this time. Also there was some odd about the blood DNA showing only one physical parent, I think it was. Don't know how true all that is. I have that site bookedmarked somewhere. hehe! in my many bookmarks! It's lost forever. > > As pointed out some time back that the Holy Grail is Kundalini/shakti and we all have it within us. Did I get that right, Chrism? > > Linda > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Bruce this is a re-post of part from the last. . .the picture of the xray of the pelvis did not come through and i want to see if the picture will come through this time. . .and it is an interesting ponderance. . ..look for the xray image. . . with hope ordinary sparrow > > > i found this one a blog site called Kristina's world when i went looking > for images. . . and will paste it for it synthesis much that has been > coming up ,. . . once again in the description of the Arc of the > Covenant through a myopic view i see Kundalini Ma???? > > i really like this assessment and sometimes things comes along the way > with K Ma and we are left with a holy tremble. . . > > " The Ark seems to tell us that: IF SPIRIT IS THE ORIGIN AND INITIAL > SPARK THEN OUR PHYSICAL MANIFESTATIONS (BODY, MATTER) & THOUGHTS ARE > JUST A REFLECTION OF THAT SPIRIT. WE ARE ETERNAL LIGHT CONDENSED INTO A > FINITE VESSEL. " > > > > [Ark Box Coffin] > <http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ark_of_the_covenant.j\ \ > pg> > The Covenant of the Arc. . .is our body the box? > > > Ark, n.–Old English arc, earc, `Noah's ark, box, > coffin', from Latin arca, `chest', whence also Old High > German arahha, arka (Middle High German, German, arche), `ark'. > Old Slavic raka, `burial cave, rakev, `coffin`, are Teutonic > loan words.) See arcanum and compare words there referred to. > > arcanum, n. Secret, mystery.– Latin arcanum, probably a > substantive use of the neutered of arcanus, 'shut up, > secret', originally `enclosed in a chest', from arca, > `chest, coffin', which is related to arcere, `to > enclose, keep away, ward off', and cognate with Greek > άÏκειν to keep off',… > > ———————————- > > Description of Ark: > > Rectangular chest, made by God, gold and wood, oldest and most sacred of > symbols. Fitted with rings and staves. Containing the 10 commandments of > the covenant (2 tablets), and by some said to contain the pot of manna > and Aaron's rod that budded. Two cherubim angels facing each other > sit atop, folding their wings towards the middle, forming some kind of > rhomb. In the middle there is a seat of mercy. > > May the below x-ray be the seat of mercy – the sacral bone (womb)? > Look close at the two " twins/angels " that guard it on this > X-ray. They guard the " concealed " secret of the divine spark > being covered with flesh (the protected, enclosed Eden being the womb): > [bLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5343991439646022450] <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kirlK7AfRHM/Simr5pLUWzI/AAAAAAAAAxI/G51SNzMMQ\ 5U/s1600-h/twins_kissing.jpg> > [The Holiest Place] > > Interpretation of Ark: > > The material: Wood = Living, Gold =Truth. > > The Box is the outer casing hiding the sacred (body hiding the soul),The > Box is the Rectangular, Manifest. Earth-bound, building. What is kept > inside the ark are the 10 commandments = 1+0 = end and new beginnings, > the sum total, Phi. Each two halves (two tablets) have one part of the > truth – perhaps the two genders/principles. > > Stave in Ring (phallos and womb) = Synthesis, creation. Phi. > > Rings, pot of manna = 0 > Staves, Aarons Rod = 1 > > The Cherumbim seem to have the same origin as the Sphinx – creatures > that have both animal and higher nature. The ark is said to be able to > destroy scorpions and serpents (wellknown symbols for our > " lower " , earthbound nature). In Christianity, the Cherubim are > often represented in iconography as faces of a lion, ox, eagle, and man > peering out from the center of an array of four wings. They seem to be > creative-inbetweens themselves – creatures of synthesis. > > The Creative in-between is in between the wings, and lower at the mercy > seat (the result of the creative spark). > > [Creative in-between and life spark] > <http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/arclite.gif> > > The Ark seems to tell us that: IF SPIRIT IS THE ORIGIN AND INITIAL SPARK > THEN OUR PHYSICAL MANIFESTATIONS (BODY, MATTER) & THOUGHTS ARE JUST A > REFLECTION OF THAT SPIRIT. WE ARE ETERNAL LIGHT CONDENSED INTO A FINITE > VESSEL. > > [Judgment Waite] > <http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/waite_m_20.jpg> > NR 20 IN TAROT (2+0 END OF DUALITY), WHERE WE AWAKEN AND COME OUT OF OUR > " COFFINS " AND REALIZE WE ARE ETERNAL SPIRIT. THE TRUMPET MAY > VERY WELL SYMBOLIZE THE 1 AND 0 OR THE TRUNCATED DIVINE PHALLOS LETTING > OUT THE WORD/VIBRATION/SEEDS/LIGHT. THIS LEADS TO THE WORLD (21); THE > NUDE LITTLE BEING INSIDE THE WOMB. THE LITTLE 1 INSIDE THE 0 CREATING > PHI. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Bruce this is repost repost. . .and hopefully these images will come through to illustrate . . . [bLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5343994932064579602] <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kirlK7AfRHM/SimvE7cycBI/AAAAAAAAAxg/XcW4VZhLW\ Zk/s1600-h/ist2_2200473-backbone-pelvis-socket-of-hip-joint-thigh-bone-x\ -ray-osteoporosis.jpg> [bLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5343994927039052050] <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kirlK7AfRHM/SimvEoum-RI/AAAAAAAAAxY/J0FXGMTHz\ wI/s1600-h/195-4846%7EX-Ray-Lumbarsacral-Spine-and-Pelvis-Posters+second\ +image.jpg> -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Thank you very much and too, for the links. I will check it out. This is all so very interesting to me, your posts and Bruce's on the void. It is much to think on. Thanks for all your sharing, Ordinarysparrow. We are all very blessed to have you here with us. Love & blessings, Linda , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > Namste > > dear Linda. . .i can see how what i wrote was confusing. . .and yes i > have read what you speak of, it is my understanding that there are many > many postulations about the Holy Grail, and i think that the material > that came to me in the void about Walfrom that i remembered as Volfrom > until i did a web search was from Joseph Campbell years ago when i > listened to his series on Mythology. . . > > I believe the epic poem by Walfrom is the story of the Holy Grail and in > it he talks of the Arc of the Covenant being brought down to earth as a > stone through the middle of the battle of the of the angels of light and > dark by the neutral angels. . .i was just attempting to follow the > energetic and the symbolic and was not really concerning much with all > the different historical accounts of the Grail or the Arc of the > Covenant. . .so please forgive and discard if they do not fit the > biblical frames. . .Some how K Ma is moving the two back and forth with > me and i have not grasped the distinction myself. . .or where it is > going. . .just personal and experiential. . . > > I think K Ma was using the images to show energetics of the K Ma > process and have tried to write a bit more about it in the reply to > Bruce. . .I did not know that had said that K Ma was the same as > the Grail, but that is the base of what was being shown to me also. . > .so glad to have the confirmation. . thanks. . .it is nice when we are > able to see that what She brings us is consistent with others. > Christine mentioned last week and i think you did also that K Ma brought > you the Tibetians years ago. . .and that you followed those for a while. > . .I also started practicing the 5 Tibetians back in the late eighties > and did so for several years and then in the early nineties the tongue > lock was brought from the energetic within. . .i always like finding > those consistencies in the K Ma process. . . and it really validates the > process and the grace. . . > > helped me find the link to Walfrom from the net and once i had > the correct spelling was able to find several reference to it on the > web. . .just type in In Parzival, Wolfram von Eschenbach and it will > take you to many links. . . .I think that when i heard about it from > Joseph Campbell he said it was the Arc that came down through the middle > but will have to go back and check that source. . .I find that in the > Void i can be given many sliding images and often time it takes a while > for me to pull them together and i may not of communicated them > accurtely. . but i am getting mixed images of both the Arc and the > Grail. .. and it may take me some time to get the point of what Ma is > trying to show me. . .I think She has to work with each person's > symbolic langauge in the energetic world much like dream scapes are > often symbolic and created out of the personal images that we can peel. > . .and there are different accounts from mythology and the biblical > quite often. . .and in this world i hold all very loose and see where it > is trying to take me. . > > love and light > ordinary sparrow > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > @@@ just this week i came across a myth by Walfrom a 12th century > mystic @@@ > > > > Hi Ordinary Sparrow, Did you read of this on the net or elsewhere? If > on the net could you give a link? > > > > When I read your post, I did not catch that about this myth saying the > Arc of the Covenant and the Grail are one and the same. Going by the > bible the Arc of the Covenant was built by the Isralites through Divine > guidance. Exodus 25:10-22 > > > > I don't recall the Holy Grail being even mentioned in the bible and > thought it to be some myth having to do with King Arthur or some such. I > think I have read about it in some Gnostic writing that it was the cup > that Jesus drank from in the last passover meal. Also read somewhere > that it is the cup that caught the blood of Jesus. I was just wondering > how the Arc of the covenant and the Grail could be the same? Where this > originated from? I did read a few years ago about some person who had > found what he believed was the Arc of the Covenant under Golgotha where > Jesus was crucified. It was in the exact spot and blood from Jesus' > wounds had run down through the rocks and landed on it. The blood sample > was put under a mircroscope and was said to be live blood still after > all this time. Also there was some odd about the blood DNA showing only > one physical parent, I think it was. Don't know how true all that is. > I have that site bookedmarked somewhere. hehe! in my many bookmarks! > It's lost forever. > > > > As pointed out some time back that the Holy Grail is > Kundalini/shakti and we all have it within us. Did I get that right, > Chrism? > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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