Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hello to you all, I joined a few days ago. About 2 years ago something amazing and terrible happened to me. To cut a long story short , one night I was was blasted into the void or the nothingness... which was also the everything..... I was part of the everything/nothing, I was the whole vast endless void and yet at the same time I experienced being a tiny speck in the void.... I actuallycan't put words on the experience because there are none. Anyway there followed bliss and oneness and merging and extacy... living in the physical world was a wow to say the least.... Anyway I also Knew... I know this sounds weird but I just knew... some time before this happened to me the need or desire to eat flesh just left me... I became an instant vegetarian, that has not changed and 3 years later I do not eat flesh. Anyway things changed... I don't even remember the sequence of events now because when something passes with me it is no more and I can not recall detail. I know that I struggled not to place an attachment on the " happenings " I knew I could become addicted to the feelings and the happenings.... I knew it was important to accept what was happening and to place no demands on it... I felt gratitude and love and oneness... then at some stage those changed and I was abandoned... I had no knowledge of Kundalini until I googled about the phenonomen that had apeened to me. I was born a Catholic and I was amazed at the visions and spontanious movement s I did during meditation...(meditation to me was always about breathing in from above and quitening my mind, listen to/for the voice of God... often wondering if he did exist! I occasionally prayed but did not follow any tradition and I never did yoga) I had a problem with the very strong Eastern images and visions and movements I was doing spontaniously... I mean why those ??? I more than dreamed about buddah, I was buddah in the dream also I was some hindu godess... I also know what it is like to be a wolf and to be an iguana completly still on the branch of a tree...... I experienced this and more during the very intence days after the void..... Much later when I read of Kundalini I was not sure what was happening was kundalini..and in a way it did not matter what the name was, I did surrender to all the physical things, both the pleasent and not so pleasent.....I surrendered to the way... I would be aware of my ego nattering on and on at me and I tried not to engage in a full blown war with it... anyway to cut long story short when things changed I learned to live with the absence of phenomena and the loss of interest and apathy that arrived and other things within me.... then this other presence that I had been aware of ( or thought I was aware of) became too much... I senced it was dark, evil , and I began to feel fear... Although all of what had happened to me in the previous year was WOW I had never felt fear before... I had felt that the Energy or the grace that was with in me or that I was within.. had an intellegence and was considerate of me... it knew me and was kind or merciful to me.. it is very hard to put words on this... Anyway the other dark presence began to " grow " and my fear grew / or the fear grew and the evil presence did !... I sometimes smelled sulphar.....I began to worry about the devil about being possessed, I began to worry about the entity jumping from me into my beautiful children. I began to think that the Kundalini had tricked me into surrendering and now possessed my very soul.( I know , very dramatic but so awful at the time) Meanwhile I appeared to be living an ordinary life, I was able to cope well and get through the days not letting my children be affected... my sh**te was not as important as their well being... anyway I think I tried to allow those feeling to just be and not to engage with the fear... again I can't exactly remember... but at some stage I decideddto go and talk to a naturopath who I knew was of Christian orientation and who had done loads of work in India and who I had heard could communicate with spirits I trusted to be good intentioned.. this was a very big thing for me to do and out side my comfort zone so I must have been really desperate lLOL.... Stuff was happening again but there was no " good " feelings no bliss or merging or love or gratitude , no oneness, no connection to everything...just an evil presence and the physical " stuff " ... I was going around with a huge buzzing helmet on my head... well it was really more like an inverted funnel than a helmet...it fillted nicely on my head and the funnel bit went into the air and I was fearful of that too... I felt like any old entity who fancied it could just pop into me through the funnel... The woman said I could not be going aroound with my crown chakra open like that and she closed it ...(It did not close straight away bit did gradually close) She said I would not have been experiencing Kundalini and that no one should be walking around with huge movements up and down the spine all day.... Anyway by going there and deciding I really wanted the Kundalini or what ever to stop.... it did stop.... the sence of a presence went and the sence of evil went too.... I must tell you here that although this was not a good time for me no one was aware of this except my husband and I would not have told him either about all the " things " , as indeed I can't here either.... so anyway time has passed ( 12 months) and yes " things " are happening again..... The WOW or the nothingness has not happened (maybe that is a once off) I care not wheiter it happens or not... the thing is that I know I am being offered another opportunity for grace and transformation..... Can I just grab that opportunity and go with it ... no not really!!! What is wrong with me!!!??? I just do not quite " get " the Kundalini.. from where and from who??? I know I will never understand the kundalini or God but I need to have some reference for what kundalini is.... I know it is real I know I am with in it or it is within me...but I worry about choosing something as being more important that our creator.... and telling me we are all one and the same and in each othere and all that does not work for me.... I know that is all true... I experienced it... I can't understand why I can't go with the flow.... But Kundalini is not God... or is it... I know we are all god to each other... but if I believe that God is fathere and Jesus Christ is one and the Holy spirit manifests as the love of father and son and also god.... where does kundalini fit in???? I had a flash yesterday that I am the instrument and the kundalini is the musician who plays me and chooses the music, but god or the creator is the conductor... I guess I have such a huge desire to surrender fully to Kundalini but who or what is Kundalini... I believe that I should and can, only surrender to God by virture of my birth into a Catholic family... However at this moment in time I am more atuned to kundalini than to God and this really bothers me. The other night I decided to trust that God knows my intentions and struggles and that in surrendering to Kundalini He will know that it is to find the path to him.... I some how never believe my own intentions and wonder when will I take that step. I think if I believe in god I believe in his opposite and I find it difficult to trust that I am on a path that is ultimatly safe even though the journey on the path might be wild and insane at times. Also I have a difficulty with deliberatly trying to get Kundalini going as it were.... This is an example of my way... After the bliss and everything had happened and I became aware of Kundalini... I decided that I probably should have some kind of practice daily... after all I did not have a daily practice and was too casual and possibly lazy for ritual and routine.... and that seemed important whnen ever I read about Kundalini.... so I decided that perhaps I should go and check out Kundalini yoga and I did. I had no problem doing most of the postures... and I was amazed to see that some if not all of the muscle control exercises and breathing exercises were what I was doing spontaniously when in kundalini. I did not like it very much though as a practice.... there was something not ok about forcing it , or faking those movements with out being in kundalini... I am not sure if that makes any sence. so I did not keep up that yoga at all... the truth was that I knew something of Kundalini energy all ready and I felt a fake there. so I still do no practice, ..So at some time in the last couple of months I became aware of something and at night I had to throw my pillow out of the bed so that my back was straight..... kundalini gently began to move me and now I am here... There are movements in my spine again even during the day... I can do my work and observe them happening, sometimes I get a wash of buzzing electricity in my head... along the surface or through the skull... sometimes I feel a huge surge of connection with kundalini when this happens .. or connection with everything or a oneness... it lasts a few seconds and passes... Anyway I am going on for too long.....So I looked at the safeties... yes I do the locks...finger, tongue and eyes.. I can do the forgiveness and others... but I have stopped at the 5 tibetians... Why?... Kundalini comes and plays when and where she chooses and the rest is about accepting it is her choice when to manifest and I surrender to that.. or at least aspire to surrender .... Living in service and love and gratitiude.... I think the tibetans are forcing it for me... why do something so ritualistic... Am I resisting... is my ego in charge.... It can be very hard to see myself sometimes so I need some help.... I would definitly be resisting submitting to a teacher... Do I need a specific teacher or do I continue on just myself and Kundalini and this group that I have just discovered?... I would not want to surrender compleatly to a teacher... LOL look how difficult I find surrendering to Kundalini!! I am sending this now before i change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hello there, what you write is common to many as experience of Kundalini,can be confusing. I think you can see that this site is there to help people such as your self. The ''K'' will push your belief systems around till you can see different aspects of Spirit, as our Churches and even you Naturopath do not understand. This is a site for managing full Kundalini expansion and how to manage its phenomena. As regards submitting to a teacher well here you can do as you wish,and i do see your point, as we have all met Charletans,or those who seek to control or just take our money. is none of the above. So be welcome here,and i can give you a tip or two......the Safeties save you fom a lot of pain and confusion.... dont follow them all and Divine Mother can bite you hard till you get the correct attitude. So be welcome and be blessed here others will greet you too, Richard. Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:19:02 +0000 Hello to you all, - from Julia Ahern - regarding Teachers Hello to you all, I joined a few days ago. About 2 years ago something amazing and terrible happened to me. To cut a long story short , one night I was was blasted into the void or the nothingness... which was also the everything..... I was part of the everything/nothing, I was the whole vast endless void and yet at the same time I experienced being a tiny speck in the void.... I actuallycan't put words on the experience because there are none. Anyway there followed bliss and oneness and merging and extacy... living in the physical world was a wow to say the least.... Anyway I also Knew... I know this sounds weird but I just knew... some time before this happened to me the need or desire to eat flesh just left me... I became an instant vegetarian, that has not changed and 3 years later I do not eat flesh. Anyway things changed... I don't even remember the sequence of events now because when something passes with me it is no more and I can not recall detail. I know that I struggled not to place an attachment on the " happenings " I knew I could become addicted to the feelings and the happenings.... I knew it was important to accept what was happening and to place no demands on it... I felt gratitude and love and oneness... then at some stage those changed and I was abandoned... I had no knowledge of Kundalini until I googled about the phenonomen that had apeened to me. I was born a Catholic and I was amazed at the visions and spontanious movement s I did during meditation...(meditation to me was always about breathing in from above and quitening my mind, listen to/for the voice of God... often wondering if he did exist! I occasionally prayed but did not follow any tradition and I never did yoga) I had a problem with the very strong Eastern images and visions and movements I was doing spontaniously... I mean why those ??? I more than dreamed about buddah, I was buddah in the dream also I was some hindu godess... I also know what it is like to be a wolf and to be an iguana completly still on the branch of a tree...... I experienced this and more during the very intence days after the void..... Much later when I read of Kundalini I was not sure what was happening was kundalini..and in a way it did not matter what the name was, I did surrender to all the physical things, both the pleasent and not so pleasent.....I surrendered to the way... I would be aware of my ego nattering on and on at me and I tried not to engage in a full blown war with it... anyway to cut long story short when things changed I learned to live with the absence of phenomena and the loss of interest and apathy that arrived and other things within me.... then this other presence that I had been aware of ( or thought I was aware of) became too much... I senced it was dark, evil , and I began to feel fear... Although all of what had happened to me in the previous year was WOW I had never felt fear before... I had felt that the Energy or the grace that was with in me or that I was within.. had an intellegence and was considerate of me... it knew me and was kind or merciful to me.. it is very hard to put words on this... Anyway the other dark presence began to " grow " and my fear grew / or the fear grew and the evil presence did !... I sometimes smelled sulphar.....I began to worry about the devil about being possessed, I began to worry about the entity jumping from me into my beautiful children. I began to think that the Kundalini had tricked me into surrendering and now possessed my very soul.( I know , very dramatic but so awful at the time) Meanwhile I appeared to be living an ordinary life, I was able to cope well and get through the days not letting my children be affected... my sh**te was not as important as their well being... anyway I think I tried to allow those feeling to just be and not to engage with the fear... again I can't exactly remember... but at some stage I decideddto go and talk to a naturopath who I knew was of Christian orientation and who had done loads of work in India and who I had heard could communicate with spirits I trusted to be good intentioned.. this was a very big thing for me to do and out side my comfort zone so I must have been really desperate lLOL.... Stuff was happening again but there was no " good " feelings no bliss or merging or love or gratitude , no oneness, no connection to everything...just an evil presence and the physical " stuff " ... I was going around with a huge buzzing helmet on my head... well it was really more like an inverted funnel than a helmet...it fillted nicely on my head and the funnel bit went into the air and I was fearful of that too... I felt like any old entity who fancied it could just pop into me through the funnel... The woman said I could not be going aroound with my crown chakra open like that and she closed it ...(It did not close straight away bit did gradually close) She said I would not have been experiencing Kundalini and that no one should be walking around with huge movements up and down the spine all day.... Anyway by going there and deciding I really wanted the Kundalini or what ever to stop.... it did stop.... the sence of a presence went and the sence of evil went too.... I must tell you here that although this was not a good time for me no one was aware of this except my husband and I would not have told him either about all the " things " , as indeed I can't here either.... so anyway time has passed ( 12 months) and yes " things " are happening again..... The WOW or the nothingness has not happened (maybe that is a once off) I care not wheiter it happens or not... the thing is that I know I am being offered another opportunity for grace and transformation..... Can I just grab that opportunity and go with it ... no not really!!! What is wrong with me!!!??? I just do not quite " get " the Kundalini.. from where and from who??? I know I will never understand the kundalini or God but I need to have some reference for what kundalini is.... I know it is real I know I am with in it or it is within me...but I worry about choosing something as being more important that our creator.... and telling me we are all one and the same and in each othere and all that does not work for me.... I know that is all true... I experienced it... I can't understand why I can't go with the flow.... But Kundalini is not God... or is it... I know we are all god to each other... but if I believe that God is fathere and Jesus Christ is one and the Holy spirit manifests as the love of father and son and also god.... where does kundalini fit in???? I had a flash yesterday that I am the instrument and the kundalini is the musician who plays me and chooses the music, but god or the creator is the conductor... I guess I have such a huge desire to surrender fully to Kundalini but who or what is Kundalini... I believe that I should and can, only surrender to God by virture of my birth into a Catholic family... However at this moment in time I am more atuned to kundalini than to God and this really bothers me. The other night I decided to trust that God knows my intentions and struggles and that in surrendering to Kundalini He will know that it is to find the path to him.... I some how never believe my own intentions and wonder when will I take that step. I think if I believe in god I believe in his opposite and I find it difficult to trust that I am on a path that is ultimatly safe even though the journey on the path might be wild and insane at times. Also I have a difficulty with deliberatly trying to get Kundalini going as it were.... This is an example of my way... After the bliss and everything had happened and I became aware of Kundalini... I decided that I probably should have some kind of practice daily... after all I did not have a daily practice and was too casual and possibly lazy for ritual and routine.... and that seemed important whnen ever I read about Kundalini.... so I decided that perhaps I should go and check out Kundalini yoga and I did. I had no problem doing most of the postures... and I was amazed to see that some if not all of the muscle control exercises and breathing exercises were what I was doing spontaniously when in kundalini. I did not like it very much though as a practice.... there was something not ok about forcing it , or faking those movements with out being in kundalini... I am not sure if that makes any sence. so I did not keep up that yoga at all... the truth was that I knew something of Kundalini energy all ready and I felt a fake there. so I still do no practice, ..So at some time in the last couple of months I became aware of something and at night I had to throw my pillow out of the bed so that my back was straight..... kundalini gently began to move me and now I am here... There are movements in my spine again even during the day... I can do my work and observe them happening, sometimes I get a wash of buzzing electricity in my head... along the surface or through the skull... sometimes I feel a huge surge of connection with kundalini when this happens .. or connection with everything or a oneness... it lasts a few seconds and passes... Anyway I am going on for too long.....So I looked at the safeties... yes I do the locks...finger, tongue and eyes.. I can do the forgiveness and others... but I have stopped at the 5 tibetians... Why?... Kundalini comes and plays when and where she chooses and the rest is about accepting it is her choice when to manifest and I surrender to that.. or at least aspire to surrender .... Living in service and love and gratitiude.... I think the tibetans are forcing it for me... why do something so ritualistic... Am I resisting... is my ego in charge.... It can be very hard to see myself sometimes so I need some help.... I would definitly be resisting submitting to a teacher... Do I need a specific teacher or do I continue on just myself and Kundalini and this group that I have just discovered?... I would not want to surrender compleatly to a teacher... LOL look how difficult I find surrendering to Kundalini!! I am sending this now before i change my mind. _______________ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655582 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hi Julia, A warm welcome to you. Visions, new content in dreams, spontaneous movements and more, those are all K sign posts of the Divine's Kiss upon You, Her Divine dance with you.What about the saying when the student is ready the Teacher appears? What do you think about those words? If I had my old book of Daniel Ladinsky's translated works I would have posted one for you here. Hafiz writes about duality and nonduality. You know, Kundalini is God and Goddess and this is how She sweeps us off our feet. Anna Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:19:02 +0000 Hello to you all, - from Julia Ahern - regarding Teachers Hello to you all, I joined a few days ago. About 2 years ago something amazing and terrible happened to me. To cut a long story short , one night I was was blasted into the void or the nothingness... which was also the everything..... I was part of the everything/nothing, I was the whole vast endless void and yet at the same time I experienced being a tiny speck in the void.... I actuallycan't put words on the experience because there are none. Anyway there followed bliss and oneness and merging and extacy... living in the physical world was a wow to say the least.... Anyway I also Knew... I know this sounds weird but I just knew... some time before this happened to me the need or desire to eat flesh just left me... I became an instant vegetarian, that has not changed and 3 years later I do not eat flesh. Anyway things changed... I don't even remember the sequence of events now because when something passes with me it is no more and I can not recall detail. I know that I struggled not to place an attachment on the " happenings " I knew I could become addicted to the feelings and the happenings.... I knew it was important to accept what was happening and to place no demands on it... I felt gratitude and love and oneness... then at some stage those changed and I was abandoned... I had no knowledge of Kundalini until I googled about the phenonomen that had apeened to me. I was born a Catholic and I was amazed at the visions and spontanious movement s I did during meditation...(meditation to me was always about breathing in from above and quitening my mind, listen to/for the voice of God... often wondering if he did exist! I occasionally prayed but did not follow any tradition and I never did yoga) I had a problem with the very strong Eastern images and visions and movements I was doing spontaniously... I mean why those ??? I more than dreamed about buddah, I was buddah in the dream also I was some hindu godess... I also know what it is like to be a wolf and to be an iguana completly still on the branch of a tree...... I experienced this and more during the very intence days after the void..... Much later when I read of Kundalini I was not sure what was happening was kundalini..and in a way it did not matter what the name was, I did surrender to all the physical things, both the pleasent and not so pleasent.....I surrendered to the way... I would be aware of my ego nattering on and on at me and I tried not to engage in a full blown war with it... anyway to cut long story short when things changed I learned to live with the absence of phenomena and the loss of interest and apathy that arrived and other things within me.... then this other presence that I had been aware of ( or thought I was aware of) became too much... I senced it was dark, evil , and I began to feel fear... Although all of what had happened to me in the previous year was WOW I had never felt fear before... I had felt that the Energy or the grace that was with in me or that I was within.. had an intellegence and was considerate of me... it knew me and was kind or merciful to me.. it is very hard to put words on this... Anyway the other dark presence began to " grow " and my fear grew / or the fear grew and the evil presence did !... I sometimes smelled sulphar.....I began to worry about the devil about being possessed, I began to worry about the entity jumping from me into my beautiful children. I began to think that the Kundalini had tricked me into surrendering and now possessed my very soul.( I know , very dramatic but so awful at the time) Meanwhile I appeared to be living an ordinary life, I was able to cope well and get through the days not letting my children be affected... my sh**te was not as important as their well being... anyway I think I tried to allow those feeling to just be and not to engage with the fear... again I can't exactly remember... but at some stage I decideddto go and talk to a naturopath who I knew was of Christian orientation and who had done loads of work in India and who I had heard could communicate with spirits I trusted to be good intentioned.. this was a very big thing for me to do and out side my comfort zone so I must have been really desperate lLOL.... Stuff was happening again but there was no " good " feelings no bliss or merging or love or gratitude , no oneness, no connection to everything...just an evil presence and the physical " stuff " ... I was going around with a huge buzzing helmet on my head... well it was really more like an inverted funnel than a helmet...it fillted nicely on my head and the funnel bit went into the air and I was fearful of that too... I felt like any old entity who fancied it could just pop into me through the funnel... The woman said I could not be going aroound with my crown chakra open like that and she closed it ...(It did not close straight away bit did gradually close) She said I would not have been experiencing Kundalini and that no one should be walking around with huge movements up and down the spine all day.... Anyway by going there and deciding I really wanted the Kundalini or what ever to stop.... it did stop.... the sence of a presence went and the sence of evil went too.... I must tell you here that although this was not a good time for me no one was aware of this except my husband and I would not have told him either about all the " things " , as indeed I can't here either.... so anyway time has passed ( 12 months) and yes " things " are happening again..... The WOW or the nothingness has not happened (maybe that is a once off) I care not wheiter it happens or not... the thing is that I know I am being offered another opportunity for grace and transformation..... Can I just grab that opportunity and go with it ... no not really!!! What is wrong with me!!!??? I just do not quite " get " the Kundalini.. from where and from who??? I know I will never understand the kundalini or God but I need to have some reference for what kundalini is.... I know it is real I know I am with in it or it is within me...but I worry about choosing something as being more important that our creator.... and telling me we are all one and the same and in each othere and all that does not work for me.... I know that is all true... I experienced it... I can't understand why I can't go with the flow.... But Kundalini is not God... or is it... I know we are all god to each other... but if I believe that God is fathere and Jesus Christ is one and the Holy spirit manifests as the love of father and son and also god.... where does kundalini fit in???? I had a flash yesterday that I am the instrument and the kundalini is the musician who plays me and chooses the music, but god or the creator is the conductor... I guess I have such a huge desire to surrender fully to Kundalini but who or what is Kundalini... I believe that I should and can, only surrender to God by virture of my birth into a Catholic family... However at this moment in time I am more atuned to kundalini than to God and this really bothers me. The other night I decided to trust that God knows my intentions and struggles and that in surrendering to Kundalini He will know that it is to find the path to him.... I some how never believe my own intentions and wonder when will I take that step. I think if I believe in god I believe in his opposite and I find it difficult to trust that I am on a path that is ultimatly safe even though the journey on the path might be wild and insane at times. Also I have a difficulty with deliberatly trying to get Kundalini going as it were.... This is an example of my way... After the bliss and everything had happened and I became aware of Kundalini... I decided that I probably should have some kind of practice daily... after all I did not have a daily practice and was too casual and possibly lazy for ritual and routine.... and that seemed important whnen ever I read about Kundalini.... so I decided that perhaps I should go and check out Kundalini yoga and I did. I had no problem doing most of the postures... and I was amazed to see that some if not all of the muscle control exercises and breathing exercises were what I was doing spontaniously when in kundalini. I did not like it very much though as a practice.... there was something not ok about forcing it , or faking those movements with out being in kundalini... I am not sure if that makes any sence. so I did not keep up that yoga at all... the truth was that I knew something of Kundalini energy all ready and I felt a fake there. so I still do no practice, ..So at some time in the last couple of months I became aware of something and at night I had to throw my pillow out of the bed so that my back was straight..... kundalini gently began to move me and now I am here... There are movements in my spine again even during the day... I can do my work and observe them happening, sometimes I get a wash of buzzing electricity in my head... along the surface or through the skull... sometimes I feel a huge surge of connection with kundalini when this happens .. or connection with everything or a oneness... it lasts a few seconds and passes... Anyway I am going on for too long.....So I looked at the safeties... yes I do the locks...finger, tongue and eyes.. I can do the forgiveness and others... but I have stopped at the 5 tibetians... Why?... Kundalini comes and plays when and where she chooses and the rest is about accepting it is her choice when to manifest and I surrender to that.. or at least aspire to surrender .... Living in service and love and gratitiude.... I think the tibetans are forcing it for me... why do something so ritualistic... Am I resisting... is my ego in charge.... It can be very hard to see myself sometimes so I need some help.... I would definitly be resisting submitting to a teacher... Do I need a specific teacher or do I continue on just myself and Kundalini and this group that I have just discovered?... I would not want to surrender compleatly to a teacher... LOL look how difficult I find surrendering to Kundalini!! I am sending this now before i change my mind. _______________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Q\ uickAdd_062009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hello Julia, It is nice of you to obey the promptings of the Spirit to write of your experiences here. Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are one. I am a devoted catholic going to mass & receiving communion every sunday. I first felt the first stirrings of the K energy while meditating the mysteries of the Holy Rosary and since then I just open myself to the teachings & lessons that She brings to me. You are now being led to the path in these group...all She asks from you is love & humility & courage & detachment & determination( I think that's a lot already...lol) I hope & pray that you find it deep within you to give the surrender that She is asking for. with love, edgar ________________________________ <> Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:19:02 PM Hello to you all, - from Julia Ahern - regarding Teachers Hello to you all, I joined a few days ago. About 2 years ago something amazing and terrible happened to me. To cut a long story short , one night I was was blasted into the void or the nothingness. .. which was also the everything.. ... I was part of the everything/nothing, I was the whole vast endless void and yet at the same time I experienced being a tiny speck in the void.... I actuallycan' t put words on the experience because there are none. Anyway there followed bliss and oneness and merging and extacy... living in the physical world was a wow to say the least.... Anyway I also Knew... I know this sounds weird but I just knew... some time before this happened to me the need or desire to eat flesh just left me... I became an instant vegetarian, that has not changed and 3 years later I do not eat flesh. Anyway things changed... I don't even remember the sequence of events now because when something passes with me it is no more and I can not recall detail. I know that I struggled not to place an attachment on the " happenings " I knew I could become addicted to the feelings and the happenings.. .. I knew it was important to accept what was happening and to place no demands on it... I felt gratitude and love and oneness... then at some stage those changed and I was abandoned... I had no knowledge of Kundalini until I googled about the phenonomen that had apeened to me. I was born a Catholic and I was amazed at the visions and spontanious movement s I did during meditation.. .(meditation to me was always about breathing in from above and quitening my mind, listen to/for the voice of God... often wondering if he did exist! I occasionally prayed but did not follow any tradition and I never did yoga) I had a problem with the very strong Eastern images and visions and movements I was doing spontaniously. .. I mean why those ??? I more than dreamed about buddah, I was buddah in the dream also I was some hindu godess... I also know what it is like to be a wolf and to be an iguana completly still on the branch of a tree...... I experienced this and more during the very intence days after the void..... Much later when I read of Kundalini I was not sure what was happening was kundalini..and in a way it did not matter what the name was, I did surrender to all the physical things, both the pleasent and not so pleasent.... .I surrendered to the way... I would be aware of my ego nattering on and on at me and I tried not to engage in a full blown war with it... anyway to cut long story short when things changed I learned to live with the absence of phenomena and the loss of interest and apathy that arrived and other things within me.... then this other presence that I had been aware of ( or thought I was aware of) became too much... I senced it was dark, evil , and I began to feel fear... Although all of what had happened to me in the previous year was WOW I had never felt fear before... I had felt that the Energy or the grace that was with in me or that I was within.. had an intellegence and was considerate of me... it knew me and was kind or merciful to me.. it is very hard to put words on this... Anyway the other dark presence began to " grow " and my fear grew / or the fear grew and the evil presence did !... I sometimes smelled sulphar..... I began to worry about the devil about being possessed, I began to worry about the entity jumping from me into my beautiful children. I began to think that the Kundalini had tricked me into surrendering and now possessed my very soul.( I know , very dramatic but so awful at the time) Meanwhile I appeared to be living an ordinary life, I was able to cope well and get through the days not letting my children be affected... my sh**te was not as important as their well being... anyway I think I tried to allow those feeling to just be and not to engage with the fear... again I can't exactly remember... but at some stage I decideddto go and talk to a naturopath who I knew was of Christian orientation and who had done loads of work in India and who I had heard could communicate with spirits I trusted to be good intentioned. . this was a very big thing for me to do and out side my comfort zone so I must have been really desperate lLOL.... Stuff was happening again but there was no " good " feelings no bliss or merging or love or gratitude , no oneness, no connection to everything.. .just an evil presence and the physical " stuff " ... I was going around with a huge buzzing helmet on my head... well it was really more like an inverted funnel than a helmet...it fillted nicely on my head and the funnel bit went into the air and I was fearful of that too... I felt like any old entity who fancied it could just pop into me through the funnel... The woman said I could not be going aroound with my crown chakra open like that and she closed it ...(It did not close straight away bit did gradually close) She said I would not have been experiencing Kundalini and that no one should be walking around with huge movements up and down the spine all day.... Anyway by going there and deciding I really wanted the Kundalini or what ever to stop.... it did stop.... the sence of a presence went and the sence of evil went too.... I must tell you here that although this was not a good time for me no one was aware of this except my husband and I would not have told him either about all the " things " , as indeed I can't here either.... so anyway time has passed ( 12 months) and yes " things " are happening again..... The WOW or the nothingness has not happened (maybe that is a once off) I care not wheiter it happens or not... the thing is that I know I am being offered another opportunity for grace and transformation. .... Can I just grab that opportunity and go with it ... no not really!!! What is wrong with me!!!??? I just do not quite " get " the Kundalini.. from where and from who??? I know I will never understand the kundalini or God but I need to have some reference for what kundalini is.... I know it is real I know I am with in it or it is within me...but I worry about choosing something as being more important that our creator.... and telling me we are all one and the same and in each othere and all that does not work for me.... I know that is all true... I experienced it... I can't understand why I can't go with the flow.... But Kundalini is not God... or is it... I know we are all god to each other... but if I believe that God is fathere and Jesus Christ is one and the Holy spirit manifests as the love of father and son and also god.... where does kundalini fit in???? I had a flash yesterday that I am the instrument and the kundalini is the musician who plays me and chooses the music, but god or the creator is the conductor... I guess I have such a huge desire to surrender fully to Kundalini but who or what is Kundalini... I believe that I should and can, only surrender to God by virture of my birth into a Catholic family... However at this moment in time I am more atuned to kundalini than to God and this really bothers me. The other night I decided to trust that God knows my intentions and struggles and that in surrendering to Kundalini He will know that it is to find the path to him.... I some how never believe my own intentions and wonder when will I take that step. I think if I believe in god I believe in his opposite and I find it difficult to trust that I am on a path that is ultimatly safe even though the journey on the path might be wild and insane at times. Also I have a difficulty with deliberatly trying to get Kundalini going as it were.... This is an example of my way... After the bliss and everything had happened and I became aware of Kundalini... I decided that I probably should have some kind of practice daily... after all I did not have a daily practice and was too casual and possibly lazy for ritual and routine.... and that seemed important whnen ever I read about Kundalini... . so I decided that perhaps I should go and check out Kundalini yoga and I did. I had no problem doing most of the postures... and I was amazed to see that some if not all of the muscle control exercises and breathing exercises were what I was doing spontaniously when in kundalini. I did not like it very much though as a practice.... there was something not ok about forcing it , or faking those movements with out being in kundalini... I am not sure if that makes any sence. so I did not keep up that yoga at all... the truth was that I knew something of Kundalini energy all ready and I felt a fake there. so I still do no practice, ..So at some time in the last couple of months I became aware of something and at night I had to throw my pillow out of the bed so that my back was straight.... . kundalini gently began to move me and now I am here... There are movements in my spine again even during the day... I can do my work and observe them happening, sometimes I get a wash of buzzing electricity in my head... along the surface or through the skull... sometimes I feel a huge surge of connection with kundalini when this happens .. or connection with everything or a oneness... it lasts a few seconds and passes... Anyway I am going on for too long.....So I looked at the safeties... yes I do the locks...finger, tongue and eyes.. I can do the forgiveness and others... but I have stopped at the 5 tibetians... Why?... Kundalini comes and plays when and where she chooses and the rest is about accepting it is her choice when to manifest and I surrender to that.. or at least aspire to surrender .... Living in service and love and gratitiude.. .. I think the tibetans are forcing it for me... why do something so ritualistic. .. Am I resisting... is my ego in charge.... It can be very hard to see myself sometimes so I need some help.... I would definitly be resisting submitting to a teacher... Do I need a specific teacher or do I continue on just myself and Kundalini and this group that I have just discovered?. .. I would not want to surrender compleatly to a teacher... LOL look how difficult I find surrendering to Kundalini!! I am sending this now before i change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Welcome Julia, You are doing fine imho. And even though you have many unanswered questions your symptoms and even the source of your questions are part of a normal Kundalini awakening so congratulations! As Zinia said you have been kissed by the divine! Do not do the Tibetans but neither offer a judgment upon them as they are very helpful in allowing for a balanced Kundalini flow for those who are not so fortunate as you. Read Gopi Krishna. You are in the Kriya stage at this time it would appear and it is indeed a stage that you will pass through on your way to other stages of the Kundalini Shakti expression with in you. Entities and other phenomena that have merely grazed you may come back in all of their glory and this is also a stage as well as the stage of extremely amplifed s & xual expressions, or cranial plate restructuring or any of the extreme divine skills such as levitation, telepathy, etc. Many stages of transformation. I applaud you in your surrender and it is indeed one of the most difficult aspects of the process. Kundalini, Indwelling Spirit, Shekinah, Holy Spirit, Fire of God, Red serpent force, Greater Kan and Li, Tumo or Dumo. Call it what you will it is a natural force of divine expression in the individual. It is not an accident for you Julia and in other life expressions you were indeed part of the belief systems you became. Including the Shamanistic. But that is not important now. You go as you have been going! And I do not suggest a teacher for you other than what you have been paying attention to. Your Kundalini. You will not take anyone's opinion over hers anyway and this is rightfully so. So keep going and keep experiencing and keep communicating. We are here for people inside the many different stages of the Kundalini Awakening experience. People like you Julia. You are a blessed of the divine and the divine grace is flowing through you. We have many Kundalini people in many different stages and they may not resemble yours at all. You may receive insights from others with more years of experience than you as to what there may be in store for you to experience in the future or you may give insights as to what your experience has taught you. We welcome your sharing. We come from many different perspectives here. We welcome yours Julia. - blessings and much love to you! - chrism , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello to you all, I joined a few days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Welcome Julia- The understanding will come with time- release any expectations. YOU are at a good place here Julia- any questions are ok to ask - there are many here who have been where you are and can relate - this is a rare and lovely gift of the divine - you are blessed to have this gift. There is no turning back - you are a chosen one. My mantra - surrender is difficult for westerners to understand. here is my understanding and how I view it. I surrender to my teacher chrism my body - my mind - my spirit - my entire being my control of myself – my control over others – my control of all things in the universe my love of myself - of others - of all things in the universe I surrender to my teacher chrism my desires of my body- of my mind - of my spirit my will - my personality - my possessions my thoughts, words, and deeds My doubts and fears I surrender to my teacher chrism Complete surrender gives me complete freedom - my worries, my problems, my feelings, my thoughts, my words, my actions are now in the hands of my teacher. Now when chrism says " no worries " I know it is true for me there are no worries. My teacher will hold all my worries for me. To surrender to a guide one must trust implicitly that guide - there can be no doubts - no wonders- no hesitations- the guide is there to mold the student in this case I will be molded to prepare for and accept K- I am now empty of all that I am – I am a blank canvas waiting for the painting of me. Surrendering is not an easy road - the K path requires complete surrender – no partials here - it is all or nothing - so all of you who are new to Kundalini realize that this path is not easy - it requires hard work and a deep commitment to follow your spirit- Chrism's protocols help keep one safe and on track. Each one of us will be blessed with a different experience. There are some similarities in what occurs, yet realize we are all unique - my path is my path - you have your own unique path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Hello Julia and welcome, It appears to be very true that all who follow the Christian Path go through this deep struggle, you are not alone! Trail blazers! When it is deeper than just a belief system, but a union, one longs to understand how it all comes together. From my own experience it feels like the mind is kept in the dark about what is happening, and the eyes of the heart are given the Light to know how to travel into this new area. There are many Christians in the Group traveling this path along side so many other traditions and belief systems. Its quite interesting and beautiful to see the unfoldings that happen in the Light of the Great Mother, Holy Spirit, Shakti or whatever name we can come up with using our minds. Labels. But surrendering to the Reality Moment by Moment reveals the path...not looking to the right or to the left, just straight ahead, in Love and Service, Gratitude and Obedience frees us to understand. And then it naturally all comes together. You don't have to go it alone anymore. Welcome to our family, Julia. You have so much to share with us, and us with you. In addition, a warm welcome to ALL our new members. I got behind in the embrace. No accident you are here. Love, dhyana , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello to you all, I joined a few days ago. About 2 years ago something amazing and terrible happened to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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