Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Thinking about it, and by my recent research, could this have been the wrathful aspect of Shiva? If so Chrism, what do you take on this experience? Why was this wrathful aspect shown to me? I really don't know a lot, I'm just kinda going through it without knowledge or expectations. I would really appreciate it -Tiffany , " angelikdementia " <angelikdementia wrote: > > > Suddenly, out of nowhere this demon thing screamed in my ears, in utter black... " TAKE.... THE.... PAINNNN!!!! " It was so loud. So deep. Like I had found a wrathful demon or something. It permeated my ears, my body; I began shaking. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Namaste this is one of the most wise accounts of Void i have read. . ..excellent!. . .truly one to keep. . . .and re-read for one and all. . ..so true what you have expressed here. . . and i often hesitate to suggest someone not to enter the void or pain body, for i cannot know what someone else might need to peel through in their own individual psyche, and your offering of a yield and caution sign is excellent Chrism. . . " if one is going to proceed do so with caution and groundedness, for anything the mind or the collective mind of man can be there " . . . . thanks Chrism. . sparrow > > Not all opportunities exist within what we expect them to be. The void is terrible and tranquil as befits the consciousness of the person entering it. Your fearlessness and Shakti saved you from what could have been some severe damage. And yet on the higher planes there can be no permanent irreversible damage. But it can take quite sometime to process through and so this ewill depend upon the individual and whe5ther or not they wish to process through a demon experience. If this is desired then the void can give one demons after demons after demons. And it can also give one the " consciousness " of permanent damage being incurred. > > Just saying that not all dark holes are worth exploring depending upon the person. This though for you was a teaching as I am viewing it. Away of helping you to understand and to develop some discernment about what your expectations of the void are and what associations you may have of it and of course an experience with Shadow aspects of consciousness. Some become so enamored of the Shadow that they allow it to become a sole expression for them, adopting names of warriors and command structures that resonate with war and violence and its opposing forces using the same means etc. etc. > > So a great teaching for you to discern and to broaden your horizon with regards to what the " VOID " means to you. Is it the womb of life? The nurturing silence of the dark impetus to strive towards light? Is it the evil of Humanity? The many mansions of Hell that exist for soul refinement? Is it the bastion of demons and consciousness set there to ensnare any unwary individual that decides to go exploring? > > Is it the place of shadow refinement? A place to meet and balance are darkest fears? Is it the backdrop of the brilliance of love as great shadow must accompany great light in this plane of dualities? > > Is it the fertile soil of experience needed to wean the consciousness away from fear? Is it the abode of the " dark night " ? Is it milk from the body of Goddess/God from whose breasts pour the divine starlight of love into the darkest reaches of consciousness allowing the divine union no matter what the circumstances of fear and destruction? > > It is all of these in my humble opinion. We choose the expression from the choice of our expectations. The mask even being on the wall was a chosen expression of expectation. > > Tread these areas with care my friends not with fear but with care as experience exists that can take much time to go through. Entire lives and lives within the boundaries of the energetic existence beyond the body physical. It be a very many aspected adventure and you will come out of it ok. But for a time you will simply be in the Hell of your expectations and ignorance. I have been there and done this. So you decide for yourself how you wish to come into the void. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Thank you for your input. The whole skeleton thing is a part of my husbands personal aesthetics. He is a LaVeyan Satanist in philosophy and likes the whole gothic aspects in art and decor. He even has an alter by the bed with skulls and the like **sigh** I can take down the skeleton thing and perhaps hide the skull on his alter. I have been bugging him to do a cleansing. He is procrastinating. This is something I am sure his own Kundalini will deal with. It really actually doesn't bug me that much, I see it all in a different perspective. No fear from it really. If anything it keeps me balanced. Weird huh? But he should really cleanse the altar. He did a lot of dark stuff on that thing. I put quartz crystals all over it and I dont get any " vibes " right now. It's the least I can do till he gets off his ass =) Anyways, I finally figured out what it was. I meditated on it whilst the kids were napping and then went around doing my typical housework. Suddenly it dawned on me. AHA! You know how a lot of Astral projection sources mention the " dweller? " It usually appears as a thing with red eyes or ugly monkey things, etc. Sometimes it appears as a deep voice (Like what I heard) saying STOP!!! It is meant to scare you away from progression to the astral plane. Some people have it, some dont. It is merely a test or obstacle. Well expecting this thing to show up physically didn't keep me on guard. When I asked my higher self to show me how to get out, it instantly made a portal of sorts. When I went into the portal I blacked out (Which is when the separation of physical and light body occurs) that is when this " dweller " made it's presence known. I wasn't expecting it and was taken by surprise which immediately ended my OBE. Actually in thinking it was the void... I was expecting a calm and peaceful darkness so that is why it made no sense to me. I didn't realize it was my " OUT " portal from my higher self. Now I do. Duh. Knowing this now, I will have to keep my guard up!! Hoping for a successful OBE now. I have had them, but have never fully made the " liftoff " Most I did was crawl on the floor, hear sonic booms and other sensory projections, and one time crawled out the window to crash to the ground and " SMack! " right back to my body hah. When I see the dweller now (if) I will turn into an even bigger demon and growl as nasty as I can too. This is a technique from many sources. Anyways thought I would update. No more sauntering off like a bunny in the midst of hungry wolves. Time to be the biggest wolf! Rawr! You're right chrism... probably shouldn't wander in too many holes unprepared and with the wrong mindset. Will pay attention from now on. Gotta be smart here! I thank Shakti and my higher self for this lesson. I now know what the hummingbird hanging around me meant (Everyday for the past week, like in my face). You can be small, delicate, beautiful and eat nectar all you want, but you gotta be a vicious when need be! One time the little thing chased off a pigeon 10 times it size or more. Right next to me. The funniest thing! Damned bird couldn't get away from this midget sword with wings fast enough. Even chased it past many trees. I wish I had a camcorder out. You guys would laugh. Goes with the whole bird signs post that I was meaning to reply on. Anyways thanks Chrism... I will keep your words in my head. Tiffany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 A LeVayan Satanist lol! Well bless his carnal heart! For those who do not understand here is a brief description of " one " left hand path. There are others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism Hummingbirds are actually quite fierce and fearless. Take one with you on the next astral Journey. Shakti Tigers are also quite effective as predators for the intrusive entities. They are as Sushi for the Shakti Tigers. I have used some Chinese Lions in the past with some success. No more though as fear is in some ways a recognition of the need for protection. Make the difference between fear and being wisely cautious in the lower astral. Its a big aquarium with many of the same rules. Nice to read of your rapid progress and effective learnings Tiffany and thank you for posting them. More information whether it be of shadow or light is needed for those approaching this threshold. Kundalini isnt for the faint of heart. It requires a propensity towards fearlessness or the ability to get that way. Shakti helps us with her constant fear testing. Over and over we are frightened until....we are no longer frightened. Then its on to some new fear or issue. This is part of the refining process. This is one of the ways to skip over some of the more dense (fearful) regions of spiritual and energetic interaction with the limited ego encased flesh body. We refine so much that our inner density is lightened to the point that we no longer have resonance with that which is of a heavier density and we flow right through and beyond any of its interactions. The pathway here is a way of conscious refinement. Here we choose the refinement of our dense natures and allow the Kundalini to bring us into the finer frequencies. - blessings ^Tiffany! - chrism , " angelikdementia " <angelikdementia wrote: > > Thank you for your input. The whole skeleton thing is a part of my husbands personal aesthetics. He is a LaVeyan Satanist in philosophy and likes the whole gothic aspects in art and decor. He even has an alter by the bed with skulls and the like **sigh** > > I can take down the skeleton thing and perhaps hide the skull on his alter. I have been bugging him to do a cleansing. He is procrastinating. This is something I am sure his own Kundalini will deal with. It really actually doesn't bug me that much, I see it all in a different perspective. No fear from it really. If anything it keeps me balanced. Weird huh? But he should really cleanse the altar. He did a lot of dark stuff on that thing. I put quartz crystals all over it and I dont get any " vibes " right now. It's the least I can do till he gets off his ass =) > > Anyways, I finally figured out what it was. I meditated on it whilst the kids were napping and then went around doing my typical housework. Suddenly it dawned on me. AHA! > > You know how a lot of Astral projection sources mention the " dweller? " It usually appears as a thing with red eyes or ugly monkey things, etc. Sometimes it appears as a deep voice (Like what I heard) saying STOP!!! It is meant to scare you away from progression to the astral plane. Some people have it, some dont. It is merely a test or obstacle. > > Well expecting this thing to show up physically didn't keep me on guard. When I asked my higher self to show me how to get out, it instantly made a portal of sorts. When I went into the portal I blacked out (Which is when the separation of physical and light body occurs) that is when this " dweller " made it's presence known. I wasn't expecting it and was taken by surprise which immediately ended my OBE. > > Actually in thinking it was the void... I was expecting a calm and peaceful darkness so that is why it made no sense to me. I didn't realize it was my " OUT " portal from my higher self. Now I do. Duh. > > Knowing this now, I will have to keep my guard up!! Hoping for a successful OBE now. I have had them, but have never fully made the " liftoff " Most I did was crawl on the floor, hear sonic booms and other sensory projections, and one time crawled out the window to crash to the ground and " SMack! " right back to my body hah. When I see the dweller now (if) I will turn into an even bigger demon and growl as nasty as I can too. This is a technique from many sources. > > Anyways thought I would update. No more sauntering off like a bunny in the midst of hungry wolves. Time to be the biggest wolf! Rawr! > > You're right chrism... probably shouldn't wander in too many holes unprepared and with the wrong mindset. Will pay attention from now on. Gotta be smart here! > > I thank Shakti and my higher self for this lesson. I now know what the hummingbird hanging around me meant (Everyday for the past week, like in my face). You can be small, delicate, beautiful and eat nectar all you want, but you gotta be a vicious when need be! One time the little thing chased off a pigeon 10 times it size or more. Right next to me. The funniest thing! Damned bird couldn't get away from this midget sword with wings fast enough. Even chased it past many trees. I wish I had a camcorder out. You guys would laugh. > > Goes with the whole bird signs post that I was meaning to reply on. > > Anyways thanks Chrism... I will keep your words in my head. > > > Tiffany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Wow! Haven't thought of this guy in about 25 years!!! He's still around, huh? Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste I've been around for a long, long years Stole many a man's soul and faith And I was 'round when Jesus Christ Had his moment of doubt and pain Made damn sure that Pilate Washed his hands and sealed his fate Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game - mick jagger Julie --- On Mon, 6/22/09, chrism <> wrote: <> Re: Whoa!!!! I have to share. The void.- Chrism Monday, June 22, 2009, 6:59 PM A LeVayan Satanist lol! Well bless his carnal heart! For those who do not understand here is a brief description of " one " left hand path. There are others. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ LaVeyan_Satanism Hummingbirds are actually quite fierce and fearless. Take one with you on the next astral Journey. Shakti Tigers are also quite effective as predators for the intrusive entities. They are as Sushi for the Shakti Tigers. I have used some Chinese Lions in the past with some success. No more though as fear is in some ways a recognition of the need for protection. Make the difference between fear and being wisely cautious in the lower astral. Its a big aquarium with many of the same rules. Nice to read of your rapid progress and effective learnings Tiffany and thank you for posting them. More information whether it be of shadow or light is needed for those approaching this threshold. Kundalini isnt for the faint of heart. It requires a propensity towards fearlessness or the ability to get that way. Shakti helps us with her constant fear testing. Over and over we are frightened until....we are no longer frightened. Then its on to some new fear or issue. This is part of the refining process. This is one of the ways to skip over some of the more dense (fearful) regions of spiritual and energetic interaction with the limited ego encased flesh body. We refine so much that our inner density is lightened to the point that we no longer have resonance with that which is of a heavier density and we flow right through and beyond any of its interactions. The pathway here is a way of conscious refinement. Here we choose the refinement of our dense natures and allow the Kundalini to bring us into the finer frequencies. - blessings ^Tiffany! - chrism Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " angelikdementia " <angelikdementia@ ...> wrote: > > Thank you for your input. The whole skeleton thing is a part of my husbands personal aesthetics. He is a LaVeyan Satanist in philosophy and likes the whole gothic aspects in art and decor. He even has an alter by the bed with skulls and the like **sigh** > > I can take down the skeleton thing and perhaps hide the skull on his alter. I have been bugging him to do a cleansing. He is procrastinating. This is something I am sure his own Kundalini will deal with. It really actually doesn't bug me that much, I see it all in a different perspective. No fear from it really. If anything it keeps me balanced. Weird huh? But he should really cleanse the altar. He did a lot of dark stuff on that thing. I put quartz crystals all over it and I dont get any " vibes " right now. It's the least I can do till he gets off his ass =) > > Anyways, I finally figured out what it was. I meditated on it whilst the kids were napping and then went around doing my typical housework. Suddenly it dawned on me. AHA! > > You know how a lot of Astral projection sources mention the " dweller? " It usually appears as a thing with red eyes or ugly monkey things, etc. Sometimes it appears as a deep voice (Like what I heard) saying STOP!!! It is meant to scare you away from progression to the astral plane. Some people have it, some dont. It is merely a test or obstacle. > > Well expecting this thing to show up physically didn't keep me on guard. When I asked my higher self to show me how to get out, it instantly made a portal of sorts. When I went into the portal I blacked out (Which is when the separation of physical and light body occurs) that is when this " dweller " made it's presence known. I wasn't expecting it and was taken by surprise which immediately ended my OBE. > > Actually in thinking it was the void... I was expecting a calm and peaceful darkness so that is why it made no sense to me. I didn't realize it was my " OUT " portal from my higher self. Now I do. Duh. > > Knowing this now, I will have to keep my guard up!! Hoping for a successful OBE now. I have had them, but have never fully made the " liftoff " Most I did was crawl on the floor, hear sonic booms and other sensory projections, and one time crawled out the window to crash to the ground and " SMack! " right back to my body hah. When I see the dweller now (if) I will turn into an even bigger demon and growl as nasty as I can too. This is a technique from many sources. > > Anyways thought I would update. No more sauntering off like a bunny in the midst of hungry wolves. Time to be the biggest wolf! Rawr! > > You're right chrism... probably shouldn't wander in too many holes unprepared and with the wrong mindset. Will pay attention from now on. Gotta be smart here! > > I thank Shakti and my higher self for this lesson. I now know what the hummingbird hanging around me meant (Everyday for the past week, like in my face). You can be small, delicate, beautiful and eat nectar all you want, but you gotta be a vicious when need be! One time the little thing chased off a pigeon 10 times it size or more. Right next to me. The funniest thing! Damned bird couldn't get away from this midget sword with wings fast enough. Even chased it past many trees. I wish I had a camcorder out. You guys would laugh. > > Goes with the whole bird signs post that I was meaning to reply on. > > Anyways thanks Chrism... I will keep your words in my head. > > > Tiffany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Hey that's actually excellent advice. I never would have thought about bringing in my own personal predator. I will do that when I feel the initial vibrational state again. I didn't even know that was a possibility. It can even hunt the thing out of the woodworks or whatever shadow it is hiding behind. THANK YOU!!! Next time I feel an OBE coming, I will respectfully ask Shakti to lend me a guardian. If she refuses I will take my hummingbirds. I am actually quite pleased with this lesson though. It must have been very frantic because I was right on the brink of going to " invade " their plane. Lets me know I am on the right track. That I was almost there! You are right about Shakti making fear after fear appear to you. I have actually become quite bored with them, which is why the thing had to jump out and say boo. It knew if it faced me I would just tear it apart. I almost consider it a compliment =) I do believe Shakti has refined me, because that portal was opened. From reading about it in a book online by Robert Monroe that I just found, it is something that comes directly from the third eye. They described it in perfect detail. That it was a higher state of transport. The whole 2 dimensional crystalline description. Validated the whole thing you talked about with refinement right there. But I wonder how the astral differs with K active people and the general astral community? Something to ponder. -Tiffany , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hummingbirds are actually quite fierce and fearless. Take one with you on the next astral Journey. Shakti Tigers are also quite effective as predators for the intrusive entities. They are as Sushi for the Shakti Tigers. > > I have used some Chinese Lions in the past with some success. No more though as fear is in some ways a recognition of the need for protection. Make the difference between fear and being wisely cautious in the lower astral. Its a big aquarium with many of the same rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I get lucky sometimes. - lol- chrism , " angelikdementia " <angelikdementia wrote: > > Hey that's actually excellent advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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