Whoa!!!! I have to share. The void.-

[Guest guest]

Namste

 

dear Tiffany

 

Just wanted to share i have been around Shiva/Kali energetics for many

years now and know many people that are very advanced with the Shiva

and Kali aspects of spirituality and have never heard anything that

resembles the experience that you speak of here dear sister concerning

Shiva or Kali. . .wraftfull aspects of the dieties, are not evil, but

rather then are called wraftfull because they attempt to removed our

negativity and illusions. . ..they would not create illusionary but

would be there to removed it. . . .imho. . . .

 

i do have an experience that could relate to your experience of a dark

energy and invasion by a group of people that where practicing a

Gnostic " secret mystery school teachings " in a dark manner. . .i was

meditating and i was pulled out of the body by a force. . .left the

body. . .and turned back and was watching the body and saw that it was

being energetically raped. . . i instantly asked that i be taken to the

place that was causing this disturbance, and was taken to the home of a

" minister " of the church that was involved in the spiritual attack, and

he was sitting meditating and pelvically gyrating. . .

 

from that time i have not allowed an obe. . .although i have read and

honor that many here really enjoy the experience of obe, and do not

intend to place any kind of judgment about other's experiences with

obe's. . .but for myself with the intensity of energetic within my own

body and my own going energetic process, i have wanted to keep myself

grounded within. . .just a personal choice. . .

 

Tiffany last week i shared more fully the experience of the spiritual

attack from a church from a New Age church i attended with Ernie of this

group, and meant to share the expereince off line, and for a short while

it was posted on the forum, removed it for did not want to cause fear

to others that are new to Kundalini Ma. . . but because of my own

experience, i would not encourage anyone to walk this path without a

teacher as i did for i did not know how to find a teacher or where to

look until after the K was raised. . .and then an energetic crisis Post

K Ma to the crown brought my teachers to me. . . there are places when

guidance is so very important and so glad for Chrims and his guidance

for each of you. . . . kundalini and obe is one of those places i would

suggest you ask for clear guidance and instruction from about the

two and i think K Ma attracts entities and some lower vibed individuals

that consciously or unconsiously desires to take a ride, protection

before leaving the body is important and paramont, i believe. . .i do

not intend to cause you fear, nor do i wish to discount your expereince.

.. .Tiffany after the Shakitpat i will come back and post my experience

of spiritual attack from the New Age church and perhaps it will be an

aspect of the Kundalini process that sometimes occurs but is rarely

talked about. . .???. . . .but on the other side of all that occured

with the attack i can deeply say, it was all grace, and all of it was

auspicious even thought it was harrowing, it was what i needed to reach

deep and bring forth that which was within. . . . " and this too " and

" what is the lesson here? " . . ..acceptance of everything that comes

forth as working together for your highest good, and what is the lesson

that is being brought forth in this experience of darkness and how must

i bring forth the light in the midst of it?. . .these are some of the

questions i learned to ask with each new challenge that K Ma brings

forth. . .in the big picture it is all grace for your return of true

Self. . .

 

dear Sister it does seem that K Ma and your Higher Self is allowing or

bringing forth many fearful images for you, and you are doing an

intensive course on overcoming your fears. . .there are many that say

that everything is a projection of the mind. . .and i too can hold that.

.. .and i too have to acknowledge that other people in form can bring

forth powerful energetics that can be dark and destructive. . .there is

much i still have to learn in this mysterious world. . .someday i would

like to start a discussion with and the group about aspects of

feminine receptivity and the conscious or often unconscious attraction

of the masculine energetics while in the midst of K Ma transformation. .

..and here i am speaking of energetics my s & xual anatomy. . .so much i am

continue to live with Marie Rainer Rilke's suggestion to a young poet; "

The answers are found in living the questions at risk. " He suggests to

ask the questions but to not claim an answer too quickly but know that

may anwers will only comes from living live through out the years of

experience. . .i often think K Ma teaches us that way, we ask the

questions and then she are challenged to live into the answers. . .which

come much further down the road?. . . .for it seems she is not nearly as

concerned with each of our crisis but rather the vessel that is being

created and conditioned by the responses and overcoming of each one that

comes forth. . .

 

love you dear Sister Tiffany, and you are blessed, and continiously

touch my heart. . .this weekend when i read your call for concerning the

ego question. . .you leaped into my heart, and please earmark that entry

for you are going to absolutely fall in love with, the one that youre

are this day that wrote that post, a little further down the road. .

..you are courageous. . .

 

love and honor

ordinary sparrow

 

 

, " angelikdementia "

<angelikdementia wrote:

>

> Thinking about it, and by my recent research, could this have been the

wrathful aspect of Shiva? If so Chrism, what do you take on this

experience? Why was this wrathful aspect shown to me?

>

> I really don't know a lot, I'm just kinda going through it without

knowledge or expectations.

>

> I would really appreciate it

>

> -Tiffany

>

>

> ,

" angelikdementia " angelikdementia@ wrote:

> >

>

> >

> > Suddenly, out of nowhere this demon thing screamed in my ears, in

utter black... " TAKE.... THE.... PAINNNN!!!! " It was so loud. So deep.

Like I had found a wrathful demon or something. It permeated my ears, my

body; I began shaking.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

clarification. . .typo mistake

 

(and here i am speaking of energetics my s & xual anatomy. . .) this

should of read and here i am speaking of energetics not se & xual

anatomy.. . .

 

sparrow

 

 

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

>

> Namste

>

> dear Tiffany

>

> Just wanted to share i have been around Shiva/Kali energetics for

many

> years now and know many people that are very advanced with the Shiva

> and Kali aspects of spirituality and have never heard anything that

> resembles the experience that you speak of here dear sister concerning

> Shiva or Kali. . .wraftfull aspects of the dieties, are not evil, but

> rather then are called wraftfull because they attempt to removed our

> negativity and illusions. . ..they would not create illusionary but

> would be there to removed it. . . .imho. . . .

>

> i do have an experience that could relate to your experience of a dark

> energy and invasion by a group of people that where practicing a

> Gnostic " secret mystery school teachings " in a dark manner. . .i was

> meditating and i was pulled out of the body by a force. . .left the

> body. . .and turned back and was watching the body and saw that it was

> being energetically raped. . . i instantly asked that i be taken to

the

> place that was causing this disturbance, and was taken to the home of

a

> " minister " of the church that was involved in the spiritual attack,

and

> he was sitting meditating and pelvically gyrating. . .

>

> from that time i have not allowed an obe. . .although i have read and

> honor that many here really enjoy the experience of obe, and do not

> intend to place any kind of judgment about other's experiences with

> obe's. . .but for myself with the intensity of energetic within my own

> body and my own going energetic process, i have wanted to keep myself

> grounded within. . .just a personal choice. . .

>

> Tiffany last week i shared more fully the experience of the spiritual

> attack from a church from a New Age church i attended with Ernie of

this

> group, and meant to share the expereince off line, and for a short

while

> it was posted on the forum, removed it for did not want to cause

fear

> to others that are new to Kundalini Ma. . . but because of my own

> experience, i would not encourage anyone to walk this path without a

> teacher as i did for i did not know how to find a teacher or where to

> look until after the K was raised. . .and then an energetic crisis

Post

> K Ma to the crown brought my teachers to me. . . there are places

when

> guidance is so very important and so glad for Chrims and his guidance

> for each of you. . . . kundalini and obe is one of those places i

would

> suggest you ask for clear guidance and instruction from about

the

> two and i think K Ma attracts entities and some lower vibed

individuals

> that consciously or unconsiously desires to take a ride, protection

> before leaving the body is important and paramont, i believe. . .i do

> not intend to cause you fear, nor do i wish to discount your

expereince.

> . .Tiffany after the Shakitpat i will come back and post my experience

> of spiritual attack from the New Age church and perhaps it will be an

> aspect of the Kundalini process that sometimes occurs but is rarely

> talked about. . .???. . . .but on the other side of all that occured

> with the attack i can deeply say, it was all grace, and all of it was

> auspicious even thought it was harrowing, it was what i needed to

reach

> deep and bring forth that which was within. . . . " and this too " and

> " what is the lesson here? " . . ..acceptance of everything that comes

> forth as working together for your highest good, and what is the

lesson

> that is being brought forth in this experience of darkness and how

must

> i bring forth the light in the midst of it?. . .these are some of the

> questions i learned to ask with each new challenge that K Ma brings

> forth. . .in the big picture it is all grace for your return of true

> Self. . .

>

> dear Sister it does seem that K Ma and your Higher Self is allowing or

> bringing forth many fearful images for you, and you are doing an

> intensive course on overcoming your fears. . .there are many that say

> that everything is a projection of the mind. . .and i too can hold

that.

> . .and i too have to acknowledge that other people in form can bring

> forth powerful energetics that can be dark and destructive. . .there

is

> much i still have to learn in this mysterious world. . .someday i

would

> like to start a discussion with and the group about aspects of

> feminine receptivity and the conscious or often unconscious attraction

> of the masculine energetics while in the midst of K Ma transformation.

..

> .and here i am speaking of energetics my s & xual anatomy. . .so much i

am

> continue to live with Marie Rainer Rilke's suggestion to a young poet;

"

> The answers are found in living the questions at risk. " He suggests

to

> ask the questions but to not claim an answer too quickly but know that

> may anwers will only comes from living live through out the years of

> experience. . .i often think K Ma teaches us that way, we ask the

> questions and then she are challenged to live into the answers. .

..which

> come much further down the road?. . . .for it seems she is not nearly

as

> concerned with each of our crisis but rather the vessel that is being

> created and conditioned by the responses and overcoming of each one

that

> comes forth. . .

>

> love you dear Sister Tiffany, and you are blessed, and continiously

> touch my heart. . .this weekend when i read your call for concerning

the

> ego question. . .you leaped into my heart, and please earmark that

entry

> for you are going to absolutely fall in love with, the one that youre

> are this day that wrote that post, a little further down the road. .

> .you are courageous. . .

>

> love and honor

> ordinary sparrow

>

>

> ,

" angelikdementia "

> angelikdementia@ wrote:

> >

> > Thinking about it, and by my recent research, could this have been

the

> wrathful aspect of Shiva? If so Chrism, what do you take on this

> experience? Why was this wrathful aspect shown to me?

> >

> > I really don't know a lot, I'm just kinda going through it without

> knowledge or expectations.

> >

> > I would really appreciate it

> >

> > -Tiffany

> >

> >

> > ,

> " angelikdementia " angelikdementia@ wrote:

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > Suddenly, out of nowhere this demon thing screamed in my ears, in

> utter black... " TAKE.... THE.... PAINNNN!!!! " It was so loud. So deep.

> Like I had found a wrathful demon or something. It permeated my ears,

my

> body; I began shaking.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I almost wonder if it the dweller on the threshold then.... I did some research

and that popped up. Thanks for helping me too look elsewhere in trying to figure

this thing out.

 

Personally I have not been very successful with astral projection before and

have heard of such a dweller before. When that portal opened, it opened inside

of me I believe. I think? It was in the midst of an abyss after I asked my

higher self for guidance on what to do. It's not like my third eye was open this

time. I couldn't see the room around me. I was in my body, perhaps going within.

This is still something I cant quite place. Oh hell, I dont know! I didn't feel

like I physically moved anywhere before it opened.

 

When I read some information on this Dweller on the threshold, it felt quite

accurate. But if it is true.... what to do... They say it is an aspect of

myself... but a real entity. I never dealt with the dweller before. It took me

by surprise. But at the same time, I kind of expected it? It was one of things I

hoped to never face. LOL guess I had to! Although I always thought the dweller

was something that would appear in front of me or something. Not what I

experienced.

 

But I am still not sure what it is. Dweller or not? I have no problem facing it

again, because when I know its true nature I can understand it. But I want to

respect it if it is something to be respected. If this is another threshold. I

don't want to piss anything off ya know? I am greatly perplexed. I am so at a

loss right now. Things are becoming more real. I could really use some light

because I am getting nowhere with my dear friend Google lol.

 

Yeah, I will wait for Chrism's advice here. I also look forward to hearing about

your experience, OrdinarySparrow. Thanks!!

 

-Tiffany

 

 

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

>

 

> > Just wanted to share i have been around Shiva/Kali energetics for

> many

> > years now and know many people that are very advanced with the Shiva

> > and Kali aspects of spirituality and have never heard anything that

> > resembles the experience that you speak of here dear sister concerning

> > Shiva or Kali. . .wraftfull aspects of the dieties, are not evil, but

> > rather then are called wraftfull because they attempt to removed our

> > negativity and illusions. . ..

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

dear Tiffany, this clarifies my questions. . .for it sounded more like

an opening to the inward void, rather than what i have experienced from

OBE and moving outside of the body into the astral. . .in my experience

the two are very different. . . and what your description of the dweller

at the threshold being internal seems congrunent with the inner void

expereince. . . the void is inward and everything thing there is part

of your discovery. . .cool. . . .you are brave and courageous and have

nothing to fear from that which is within. .for underneath it all you

are love, light, bliss, beauty, and goodness. . .

 

lol! about Google, now that can be an externalization of the collective

Void. . .Tiffany Google Walker. . . but so often it brings us blessing,

understanding and connection also. . .it is all there. . . .

 

many blessings and honor Tiffany

ordinary sparrow

 

 

, " angelikdementia "

<angelikdementia wrote:

>

> I almost wonder if it the dweller on the threshold then.... I did some

research and that popped up. Thanks for helping me too look elsewhere in

trying to figure this thing out.

>

> Personally I have not been very successful with astral projection

before and have heard of such a dweller before. When that portal opened,

it opened inside of me I believe. I think? It was in the midst of an

abyss after I asked my higher self for guidance on what to do. It's not

like my third eye was open this time. I couldn't see the room around me.

I was in my body, perhaps going within. This is still something I cant

quite place. Oh hell, I dont know! I didn't feel like I physically moved

anywhere before it opened.

>

> When I read some information on this Dweller on the threshold, it felt

quite accurate. But if it is true.... what to do... They say it is an

aspect of myself... but a real entity. I never dealt with the dweller

before. It took me by surprise. But at the same time, I kind of expected

it? It was one of things I hoped to never face. LOL guess I had to!

Although I always thought the dweller was something that would appear in

front of me or something. Not what I experienced.

>

> But I am still not sure what it is. Dweller or not? I have no problem

facing it again, because when I know its true nature I can understand

it. But I want to respect it if it is something to be respected. If this

is another threshold. I don't want to piss anything off ya know? I am

greatly perplexed. I am so at a loss right now. Things are becoming more

real. I could really use some light because I am getting nowhere with my

dear friend Google lol.

>

> Yeah, I will wait for Chrism's advice here. I also look forward to

hearing about your experience, OrdinarySparrow. Thanks!!

>

> -Tiffany

>

>

>

> ,

" ordinarysparrow " ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> >

>

> > > Just wanted to share i have been around Shiva/Kali energetics for

> > many

> > > years now and know many people that are very advanced with the

Shiva

> > > and Kali aspects of spirituality and have never heard anything

that

> > > resembles the experience that you speak of here dear sister

concerning

> > > Shiva or Kali. . .wraftfull aspects of the dieties, are not evil,

but

> > > rather then are called wraftfull because they attempt to removed

our

> > > negativity and illusions. . ..

>