Be as you are - Sri Ramana Maharishi

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In the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi, there is a lot of focus on dissolving

the ego by self enquiry... Asking yourself, " Who am I? " and discarding any

answer that may come up, leaving only The Self. He stresses that this is not to

be used mechanically like a mantra, but to focus on the source of the ego; " who

is this " I " that thinks? " " Who am " I " ? etc... Constantly bringing the focus back

to the source of the ego, thereby dissolving it. Eventually the ego will be

permanently dissolved.

 

He says that this is the direct route to self realization, by ultimately

realizing that everything is one, any beliefs of separation are merely an

illusion.

 

What are your views or experience with this? Is anyone here familiar with this

practice, Sri Ramana Maharashi, " Be As You Are, " or his teachings?

[Guest guest]

Yes Ramana gives a path for self realization. It isnt the " only " path but it is

certainly a path that can have beneficial results. " Dissolving " the ego is an

interesting way to term it. I prefer to retrain it but what ever suits an

individual personal preference is fine by me.

 

The key is to understand beyond the mere concept of Oneness into the basic fact

of Oneness and in doing this the whys and wherefores of human densities come

into clear view.

 

Even within self realization one comes into the Kundalini. Kundalini IS part of

that process. One can observe that there are as many routes to the Kundalini as

there are people coming into that path whether willingly or not in some cases.

They are also reaching into the path of self realization as a consequence of the

Kundalini though there is no garauntee they will reach it.

 

Ramana teaches good techniques. Yet the " real teacher " is behind and within the

eyes and heart and spine of the traveler.imho. - chrism

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there are lots of mantras in Maharishi i think..

 

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 11:17 PM, chrism <> wrote:

 

>

>

> Yes Ramana gives a path for self realization. It isnt the " only " path but

> it is certainly a path that can have beneficial results. " Dissolving " the

> ego is an interesting way to term it. I prefer to retrain it but what ever

> suits an individual personal preference is fine by me.

>

> The key is to understand beyond the mere concept of Oneness into the basic

> fact of Oneness and in doing this the whys and wherefores of human densities

> come into clear view.

>

> Even within self realization one comes into the Kundalini. Kundalini IS

> part of that process. One can observe that there are as many routes to the

> Kundalini as there are people coming into that path whether willingly or not

> in some cases. They are also reaching into the path of self realization as a

> consequence of the Kundalini though there is no garauntee they will reach

> it.

>

> Ramana teaches good techniques. Yet the " real teacher " is behind and within

> the eyes and heart and spine of the traveler.imho. - chrism

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

A.Arslan

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

dear astraltraveler

 

i am familar with Ramana Maharishi and his teachings, and self-inquiry

and non duality. . .but am able to grasp Papaji more easily and one of

my favorite poems comes from Papaji and for me it contain a vast

teaching. .

 

You are the unchangeable awareness in which all activity takes place

Always rest in peace

You are the eternal being, unbound and undivided

Just keep quite

All is well

Keep quite here and now

You are happiness, you are peace, you are freedom

Do not entertain any notions that you are in trouble

Be kind to yourself

Open to your heart and simply be

 

i also pratice the process towards the dissolution of the egoic. .

..here in the West these days there is a growning number that feel the

egoic is something to be honored and brought under submission to the

higher self. . .and as many have said; " there are as many paths to God

as there are beings " . . .so can only speak egoic dissolution is the path

that i move towards, and it may take me many more lifetimes but that is

where i shall rest someday. . .

 

often times when i have read literature on Kundalini Awakening it seems

much of the literature suggest that with full K Awakening there will be

the cessation of ego. . .but i have yet to meet anyone from the West

that has undergone the cessation of ego along with the K's full ascent

to the crown???. . .but let me not speak of other's expereince for that

is their path, and truly it is between gOd and themselves. . . as for

me 14 years ago i had a powerful K Ma Awakening. . .at the time i had

spent limited time in the discipline of Eastern Meditation within the

deep inner space of stillness, silence, peace, or samadhi, rather i had

engagaged in lots of Western comtemplative meditation and spiritual

exploration of various realms. . . my mind at the time of K Ma Awakening

was undisciplined and unfocused, truly the proverbial monkey mind. . .

..there was LOTS of mental m#sturbation so to speak. . .so there where a

couple of really sweet years, and K Ma brought into my life a situation

that caused me to make a powerful resolve that i will continue intense

spiritual practice in order to dissolve the egoic. . . definitely

believe that some is needed for keeping grounded and in relationship

with others, but a good 98% of mine is clutter and constructs based on

fear formed from past experience. . . i have known and heard so many

stories of misuse of spiritual power that resulted in spiriutal abuse

and domination that i opt for the ongoing practice towards it's

demise. . .

 

to discipline the mind i started out using Sri Ramana Maharishi's

techniques of self inquiry and once silence was obtained i have moved

to spending as much time as possible in Kali Ma's dark embrace of

silence within silence and dark within darkness. . .and in that practice

i find a slow progressive dissolution of the egoic realm. . . intitially

there was a period of egoic protest to the silence, but nowadays know

that is the true state for me that allows the fullness oflove and bliss

to come forth and reside into the places as the ego dominance is

lessing. . . .Silence is where i have the fullness expereince of K Ma

these days for that is where the dissolution of the egoic boundaries and

the experience of samadhi begins which leads to ever increasing spaces

of Oneness, in the Oneness all duality is gone. . .and i am home. . .

 

from the beginning my soul has yearned for home. . .and in the Oneness

the heart and the entire universe is there. . .it is an awesome place

look forward to being a resident there. . .

 

love and light dear astral traveler, may K Ma shine the light on your

path this day and all to come

 

ordinary sparrow

 

 

 

 

 

 

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" astraltraveler1984 " <mjf84 wrote:

>

> In the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi, there is a lot of focus on

dissolving the ego by self enquiry... Asking yourself, " Who am I? " and

discarding any answer that may come up, leaving only The Self. He

stresses that this is not to be used mechanically like a mantra, but to

focus on the source of the ego; " who is this " I " that thinks? " " Who am

" I " ? etc... Constantly bringing the focus back to the source of the ego,

thereby dissolving it. Eventually the ego will be permanently dissolved.

>

> He says that this is the direct route to self realization, by

ultimately realizing that everything is one, any beliefs of separation

are merely an illusion.

>

> What are your views or experience with this? Is anyone here familiar

with this practice, Sri Ramana Maharashi, " Be As You Are, " or his

teachings?

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Excellent post Jeremy Sachitanandna. Thank you! - b

[Guest guest]

What are your views or experience with this? " Be as you are "

Hi mjf84,

It can be tough going for say a female, youth or a child who is subject to

enslavement, or for any person male or female of any age , suffering due to

oppression, violence, war and so on, to answer the " who is this I that thinks? "

question. However people transcend the most vicious attacks on their

personhood, a famous example is Victor Frankl. And in so many unheard of

stories individuals demonstrate the ability to transcend through the use of

thought, and the teaching is true ...the self is not different or separate from

the ALL That There Is. Everything is One, beliefs of separation are merely

illusion.

It encourages me to understand that Kundalini is in every human being in every

part of the world. Coming from the lived experience of witnessing and

experiencing abuse, I believe the ego retrained is the Vehicle for

Shiva/Shakt to bring Highest Good events in the aftermath of what transpired

before. They happen whether we are awakened or not.

I agree with :

> Yes Ramana gives a path for self realization. It isnt the " only " path but

> it is certainly a path that can have beneficial results. " Dissolving " the

> ego is an interesting way to term it. I prefer to retrain it .... .... ....

If we are here to Awaken then what work is left but to continue through the

various kinds of relationships we Being Humans get into: love, family, adversary

and so on.

Seems to me because we don't suddenly leave earth upon becoming Kundalini

Awakened ,- we are given the personality and the free ego in order to work out

these dances in real life.

 

Zinnia

 

mjf84

Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:29:53 +0000

Be as you are - Sri Ramana Maharishi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi, there is a lot of focus on

dissolving the ego by self enquiry... Asking yourself, " Who am I? " and

discarding any answer that may come up, leaving only The Self. He stresses that

this is not to be used mechanically like a mantra, but to focus on the source of

the ego; " who is this " I " that thinks? " " Who am " I " ? etc... Constantly bringing

the focus back to the source of the ego, thereby dissolving it. Eventually the

ego will be permanently dissolved.

 

 

 

He says that this is the direct route to self realization, by ultimately

realizing that everything is one, any beliefs of separation are merely an

illusion.

 

 

 

What are your views or experience with this? Is anyone here familiar with this

practice, Sri Ramana Maharashi, " Be As You Are, " or his teachings?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you. I also agree there are many paths... I will have to look up Papaji

soon, and I know someone in particular who will be very interested as well.

 

Sri Ramana mentions the Kundalini a few times, and basically says that through

self inquiry it will automatically send the Kundalini to the final nadi which is

the heart center according to him, so all other practice is unnecessary.

Basically everything in this entire book goes back to that one question " Who am

I? "

 

So is that it? Oneness... the end? It seems as though anything else that gets

brought up is almost considered to be a distraction or waste of time.

Interesting...

 

I think I am just starting to experience these little " k holes " where I will

start to experience that oneness. It comes and goes and usually only lasts an

hour or two. I have been practicing the self enquiry more seriously, in

combination with the safeties, and I am noticing that I am even starting to do

it in my sleep. I had one dream in particular that literally combined all of

them... that I was singing the Shakti prayer, with another friendly entity,

after asking who am i?, and then wanted to do the tibetans but realized I

couldn't because I wasn't in my physical body!! So I have a feeling I might be

on to something but I am just going to continue doing what I am doing. At this

point in my journey I feel very comfortable with my intuition, so I am just

going to continue to follow that for now on.

 

I admit lately I have been resisting towards studying too hard other people's

teachings, something in my gut keeps telling me that the information that I need

will be provided to me when I need it or learned through my own experiences

(which has always been my preferred method of learning for better or for worse).

However, this book came so highly recommended and is fairly easy reading that I

decided to commit to reading it. It's been giving me something to work with. So

far I am glad, I did but at the same time I am not about to abandon all my other

practices just yet.

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

dear Astral traveler. . .found this to be a bit of synchronicity. . .was

checking my emails and found this account of Sri Ramana Maharishi's Ego

death. . . .and thought you might find it interesting i had not read of

this account before. . . I kinda am intrigued by the " old woman

gathering fuel on the hillside. " Who knows it might of been Kundalini

Ma in a apt form of the old crone goddess?

 

peace

ordinary sparrow

 

 

" Turtle Rock, Place of Ramana Maharshi's `Second Death

Experience

THERE WAS A TIME when the Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi would frequently

roam the holy hill of Arunachala, as well as climbing to the summit and

making Pradakshina (circumambulation), so that in the end, he knew every

part of it. And then one day, when he was wandering alone, he passed an

old woman gathering fuel on the hillside. She looked like a common

outcast woman, but she addressed the young Swami fearlessly, as an

equal. Beginning with the rough cursing common to such people, she said:

" May you be put on the funeral pyre! Why do you wander about in the

sun like that? Why don't you sit quiet? "

 

" It can have been no ordinary woman, " Sri Bhagavan said when he

told the devotees about it; " Who knows who she was? " Certainly,

no ordinary outcast woman would have dared to speak to a Swami like

that. The devotees took it to be a manifestation of Arunagiri Siddha,

the Spirit of Arunachala. From that time Sri Bhagavan gave up roaming

the hillside.

 

When Sri Bhagavan first went to Tiruvannamalai he sometimes moved about

in a state of trance. This did not completely end until about 1912 when

there was a final and complete Experience of Death. He set out from

Virupaksha Cave one morning for Pachaiamman Koil, accompanied by

Palaniswami, Vasudeva Sastri and others. He had an oil-bath there and

was nearing Tortoise Rock on the way back when a sudden physical

weakness overcame him. He described it fully afterwards.

 

 

" The landscape in front of me disappeared as a bright white curtain

was drawn across my vision and shut it out. I could distinctly see the

gradual process. There was a stage when I could still see a part of the

landscape clearly while the rest was covered by the advancing curtain.

It was just like drawing a slide across one's view in a stereoscope.

On experiencing this I stopped walking lest I should fall. When it

cleared I walked on. When darkness and faintness came over me a second

time I leaned against a rock until it cleared. The third time it

happened I felt it safer to sit, so I sat down near the rock. Then the

bright white curtain completely shut off my vision, my head was swimming

and my circulation and breathing stopped. The skin turned a livid blue.

It was the regular death hue and it got darker and darker. Vasudeva

Sastri, in fact, took me to be dead and held me in his arms and began to

weep aloud and lament my death.

 

" I could distinctly feel his clasp and his shivering and hear his

words of lamentation and understand their meaning. I also saw the

discoloration of my skin and felt the stoppage of my circulation and

breathing and the increased chilliness of the extremities of my body. My

usual current of awareness still continued in that state also. I was not

in the least afraid and felt no sadness at the condition of the body. I

had sat down near the rock in my usual posture and closed my eyes and

was not leaning against the rock. The body, left without circulation or

respiration, still maintained that position. This state continued for

some ten or fifteen minutes. Then a shock passed suddenly through the

body and circulation revived with enormous force, and breathing also,

and the body perspired from every pore. The colour of life reappeared on

the skin. I then opened my eyes and got up and said, `Let's

go.' We reached Virupaksha Cave without further trouble. This was

the only fit I had in which both circulation and respiration

stopped. "

 

The above is from Arthur Osborne, as quoted by geocities.

<http://www.geocities.com/the_wanderling/roaming.html>

 

This brought about a change in the way Ramana interacted with those

around him. From www.anglefire.com:

<http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/whoami.html>

 

 

Ramana's second death experience seemingly opened the door for an

embracing of family and outsiders that previously had not manifested

itself in Ramana's previous outward actions. To wit:

 

" This new experience may not have upstaged his previous realization

(but) it did serve to reintegrate him with his bodily vehicle and with

life. "

" After this he was more at ease in everyday circumstances, and began

to increasingly associate with those seekers who gathered around

him. "

 

 

 

 

,

" astraltraveler1984 " <mjf84 wrote:

>

> Thank you. I also agree there are many paths... I will have to look up

Papaji soon, and I know someone in particular who will be very

interested as well.

>

> Sri Ramana mentions the Kundalini a few times, and basically says that

through self inquiry it will automatically send the Kundalini to the

final nadi which is the heart center according to him, so all other

practice is unnecessary. Basically everything in this entire book goes

back to that one question " Who am I? "

>

> So is that it? Oneness... the end? It seems as though anything else

that gets brought up is almost considered to be a distraction or waste

of time. Interesting...

>

> I think I am just starting to experience these little " k holes " where

I will start to experience that oneness. It comes and goes and usually

only lasts an hour or two. I have been practicing the self enquiry more

seriously, in combination with the safeties, and I am noticing that I am

even starting to do it in my sleep. I had one dream in particular that

literally combined all of them... that I was singing the Shakti prayer,

with another friendly entity, after asking who am i?, and then wanted to

do the tibetans but realized I couldn't because I wasn't in my physical

body!! So I have a feeling I might be on to something but I am just

going to continue doing what I am doing. At this point in my journey I

feel very comfortable with my intuition, so I am just going to continue

to follow that for now on.

>

> I admit lately I have been resisting towards studying too hard other

people's teachings, something in my gut keeps telling me that the

information that I need will be provided to me when I need it or learned

through my own experiences (which has always been my preferred method of

learning for better or for worse). However, this book came so highly

recommended and is fairly easy reading that I decided to commit to

reading it. It's been giving me something to work with. So far I am

glad, I did but at the same time I am not about to abandon all my other

practices just yet.

>

> ,

" ordinarysparrow " ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> >

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I love these posts! Thank you for all the wonderful information here! My friend

told me about Sri Ramana Maharishi and self inquiry and I watched every video on

him. I love looking into his eyes, so gentle and loving. With some encouragement

from my friend I started asking myself " who am I " over and over and over. On the

way to the grocery store, much of the time...I was actually laughing at myself

asking who the **** am I? Anyone???? hahaha But then I started having dreams, I

would become this other person in my dream (yes I know its all me) and I would

become the chair in the dream, whatever was in my dream. I was really happy

about it because I felt at least my subconscious mind was getting the hint! (:

I too noticed that it helped me to get in deeper - maybe it was just saying it

over and over again too - but it would bring me in deeper to the silence - and

in the silence ... beleive it or not I'm finally silent!!! I could never have

done this before Kundalini started, my mind too was very much a monkey mind so

as I repeated this, that light from the k in my minds eye seemed to draw me

inward and this too brought me into silence. I still am amazed that my mind can

be silent!!! Its not always so!!! When I'm out in nature I usually like to burn

off some energy and walk or run until I'm tired and then when my body is tired,

yes sweet silence again! Love that peace! If it wasn't for the kundalini

starting I don't think I could have been that disciplined to keep at it - it was

easier to focus on love and appreciation since my mind was still focusing on

something. But now since the kundalini I can finally be silent...I still am

shocked about it! (:

Very much appreciating these posts! Love that inner peace! Thanks my friends!

Wishing you much more beautiful peaceful silence (:

Deb

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Hmmmm... I am starting to think that perhaps I should give this a try. My brain

is always firing. It is incessant and never shuts up lol. Sometimes I can't even

sleep because it just analyzes everything, human behavior, why people have pets,

everything. Constant questions and philosophizing.

 

Perhaps this could help me. It does get rather annoying when my K is consciously

rising and my thought voice is like " What in the hell was that??? Maybe it means

this, and maybe it means that, yadda yadda " At the same time my inner self is

like, " Calm down, you are fine! " Gets a little annoying. I would do anything to

have those different aspects of myself merge. Perhaps making it question itself

will systematically break down it's barriers and I can just... be.

 

Will have to check it out.

 

-Tiffany S

 

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

> I love these posts! Thank you for all the wonderful information here! My

friend told me about Sri Ramana Maharishi and self inquiry and I watched every

video on him. I love looking into his eyes, so gentle and loving. With some

encouragement from my friend I started

>

>

[Guest guest]

This has helped me PROFOUNDLY!! I wish to thank you for bringing this about.

Something so seemingly simple has changed me completely. I can't explain what it

has done, as it would be impossible, but I would like to thank you. It really

and truly works.

 

=)

 

-Tiffany S.

 

, " astraltraveler1984 "

<mjf84 wrote:

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> In the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi, there is a lot of focus on

dissolving the ego by self enquiry...