Be as you are - Deb and Mr Carride

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Namaste

 

dear Deb, Mr. Carride, and all

 

I too really enjoyed reading of your experience of moving into silence.

.. . . Deb yesterday on the forum a question was by Mr. Carride; " What

is the best way to dissolve, release or retrain the ego? " I have been

thinking about that question based on the path i have all to often

stumbled through.

 

For me 'phenomena' is wonderful and often fun, it is purposeful along

the way to validate the journey and can be the carrot that leads the

egoic into it's demise or at least it's dethronement. . . .but for me

personally much of my experience with phenomena has proven to be

shifting sand and part of the path through the material land " mines " . .

.. . significant yet insignificant. . . I remember reading The White

Swan by Sri Ramakrishna, the God intoxinated Saint, that my current

teacher is said to be a incarnation of. . . .(* side note. . i do not

know, but it sure made reading The White Swan more fun, and i could see

and have experienced the combination of Sri Ramadrishna and Sri Sarada

Devi within Amma's energetic expressions). . .anyway, i got sidetracked

there, sorry. . .Deb have you noticed that K Ma rarely allows us to

express one linear train of through? It seems to me the longer with K

Ma the more she brings in stories within stories. . . I sometimes see K

Ma like those clay Pubelo statues of the Old Indain Storyteller woman

with all the kids sitting on her lap, arms, and head. . . .telling

whatever story that is needed to get her children to remember who they

are and back home. . . .What i was going to say is that in White Swan

the book about Sri Ramakrishna, it says that when devotees would come to

him, he would take away any siddhi (occult powers) because he believed

they side tracked the aspirants because it was so easy for the ego to

become mezemerzied by occultic powers or siddhi's. . .and then when

there was full realization the siddhis would be a natural expression

under the Divine expression rather than the ego. . . . I have often

thought of that and can honestly say that i do not think my ego would of

liked for Sri Ramakrishna to remove any siddhi that might of come my

way. lol!. . . .because there was a time on the journey that i equated

how spiritual a person was by how many powers where experssed. . . .Just

this week was re-reading a bit of Daughter of Fire by Irina Tweedie,

and she was having an exchange with her Guru Bhai Sahib. . .i will copy

a bit of it. . .

 

Irina: " Told him about the vibration of the brow Chakra; it was

going softly.

" Yes, it was going softly, " he repeated with a smile. There was an

interruption, but i was determined to know more. " Is this the chakra

that when it is open that it causes us to be Clairvoyant? "

 

Bhai Sahib: " Yes, yes, but what do you mean by clairvoyant? It is not

a very high state! "

 

Irina: " That is because clairvoyant is still on the level of the

mind. "

 

Bhai Sahib: " Yes, " and after a moment he added: " It is the Chakra of

Order. "

 

Irina: " Why order? " I was not quite sure what he meant?

 

Bhai Sahib: " Orders are issued from there! " he laughed and turned to

other for a vivacios discussion

 

I like this exchange because once again it validates K Ma us of the

higher realms for her expression is direct transmission of God/dess,

Holy Spirit " energetic " which so often defies anything that we can come

up with on the mental plain of mind. . . and also the validation that

there is really very little in the deep transformative process of

awakening for the ego. . .the sixth Charkr is where we shall receive the

order, its opening is for a deeper level of surrender. . .

 

So what i am suggesting, at least for myself, the real happening

place for dissolution, retraining, release, or annilation of the ego is

silence. . . not validatin by the acquisition of powers . . .for they

will come sooner or later. . . and if misused by the ego they will be

diminished. . . .

 

Every technique or action to " dissolve, release, or retrain " the egoic

i have discovered personally or from the teachers that work with me has

lead to Silence. . . .

 

I have read many of the Non-Duality teachers like Sri Ramana Maharishi

(Who Am I), Babaji, Papaji, Adyshanti, and Bryon Katie. . . .

 

This is a video i like a lot from Papaji :

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Add what Papaji says here with K Ma. . .and Phew!. . . .

 

 

Here is another video i like alot. . .Here Paramahamsa Nithyananda

speaks of meditating on darkness within darkness. . .silence within

silence. . .and also uses the imagery of darkness and silence being Kali

Ma. . .and that does it for me in a big way, for i love to go into the

silence and imagine the darkness/silence within myself is being held by

K Ma/ Kali Ma. . .Kali Ma is noted for being the spiritual energetic

force that destroyes the ego. . . Amma who is aligned with Kali Ma

energetic once said something like, " One that is surrendered at the

feet of Kali Ma can give up the ego and surrender it willingly and if

not Kali Ma will take it. . . I went through a number of years of K

Ma/Kali Ma/Amma stripping layers of the ego through pain and suffering

due to my mind grasping for the external and then being crashed, which

has a way of dropping one into silence the hard way. . .then finally

after years of the ego being jammed on repeat, i made the decision to

move to silence and let Her have the mind, the mental, and the

soverninty within my being. . .and slowly but surely it is working for

suffering is gone, and have come to the realization that all my

sufferning was generated by the mind. . .like they say pain is optinal

but suffering is a choice. . .

 

Meditating on Darkness. . . a Paramahamsa Nithyananda Video

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another reason i like the Video is that it reminds me of the first

stanza of the Tao Te Ching. . .

Tao Te Ching: Chapter 1

 

translated by Stephen Mitchell with some commentaries of on its meaning

 

The Tao that can be told

is not the eternal Tao.

The name that can be named

is not the eternal Name.

 

The unnameable is the eternally real.

Naming is the origin

of all particular things.

 

Free from desire you realize the mystery.

Caught in desire, you see only the

manifestations.

 

Yet mystery and manifestations

arise from the same source.

This source is called darkness.

 

Darkness within darkness.

The gateway to all understanding.

 

 

ZEN MASTER DOGEN [on " thusness " ] says:

" 'Form is emptiness and emptiness is form,' that is,

form is form and emptiness is emptiness. "

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STEPHEN MITCHELL comments:

" In order to understand, we have to remain

in the darkness of not knowing. "

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EMILY DICKINSON says:

" 'Come unto me' begins in every place.

 

ZEN MASTER DOGEN says:

" You experience and penetrate the inaudible when words are uttered. "

ZEN MASTER DOGEN says:

" Do not loathe wordlessness for it is expression par excellence. "

 

ISABELLA MEARS (1922) comments:

" The first chapter of the Tao Teh King may be regarded as prologue of

the book. In it the principles of the Unseen and Seen are clearly

defined: Tao, Life, Source of Life, and Tao which can be named, Mother

of all existing beings, later in the book named Teh, or manifestation of

Life; — these are the two themes upon which the book is built. The

two are complementary, one is not praised at expense of the other...In

seeking the Inner Life, we are more and more brought into the depths of

its mystery. In seeking the outer, we are constantly brought up against

its limitations. In seeking the Inner in and through the Outer, we find

that the Source is One, we are led by degrees into deeper Mystery, into

fuller realization of Truth. "

 

 

 

last stanza by Ellen M Chen:

 

These two issue from the same origin,

though named differently.

Both are called the dark.

Dark and even darker,

The door to all hidden mysteries.

 

ELLEN M. CHEN (1967) says: " The Tao Te Ching does not aim at a

systematic exposition; its every uttering reflects the entire Taoist

philosophy in a nutshell... The vision of the dark is obviously the

language of the mystics. Moving backward to the dark and darker, or the

origin of origins, we enter the door to all hidden secrets. "

 

HO-SHANG-KUNG [an ancient commentator] says:

 

" The dark one is heaven. [...] In heaven

there is another heaven. "

 

 

THOMAS CLEARY says:

" There is an ancient maxim defining the common

denominator of all Buddhism in effect as liberation,

first liberation from bondage,

then liberation into freedom.

 

 

ROWENA PATTEE KRYDER says:

" The essence of spiritual traditions can never be lost,

for the 'Way' is perennial wisdom, eternal truth. "

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HERACLITUS says:

" Nature loves to hide. "

 

TS'AO TAO-CH'UNG [Taoist nun] says:

 

" 'Two' refers to innocence and passion, or in other words, stillness and

movement. Stillness correspond to non-existence. Movement corresponds to

existence. Provisionally different, they are ultimately the same. Both

meet in darkness. "

 

JOHN CHALMERS (1868) says:

" Non-existence is named the Antecedent of heaven and earth; and

Existence is named the Mother of all things. "

 

 

Sorry this has been so long and full of words. . . . there is a thread

through the ramble. . .and the thread silence. . .

 

lol!. . .so many words to say one word. . .

 

silence

 

 

love to all

 

ordinary sparrow chirping away

 

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

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> I love these posts! Thank you for all the wonderful information here!

My friend told me about Sri Ramana Maharishi and self inquiry and I

watched every video on him. I love looking into his eyes, so gentle and

loving. With some encouragement from my friend I started asking myself

" who am I " over and over and over. On the way to the grocery store, much

of the time...I was actually laughing at myself asking who the **** am

I? Anyone???? hahaha But then I started having dreams, I would become

this other person in my dream (yes I know its all me) and I would become

the chair in the dream, whatever was in my dream. I was really happy

about it because I felt at least my subconscious mind was getting the

hint! (: I too noticed that it helped me to get in deeper - maybe it

was just saying it over and over again too - but it would bring me in

deeper to the silence - and in the silence ... beleive it or not I'm

finally silent!!! I could never have done this before Kundalini started,

my mind too was very much a monkey mind so as I repeated this, that

light from the k in my minds eye seemed to draw me inward and this too

brought me into silence. I still am amazed that my mind can be silent!!!

Its not always so!!! When I'm out in nature I usually like to burn off

some energy and walk or run until I'm tired and then when my body is

tired, yes sweet silence again! Love that peace! If it wasn't for the

kundalini starting I don't think I could have been that disciplined to

keep at it - it was easier to focus on love and appreciation since my

mind was still focusing on something. But now since the kundalini I can

finally be silent...I still am shocked about it! (:

> Very much appreciating these posts! Love that inner peace! Thanks my

friends!

> Wishing you much more beautiful peaceful silence (:

> Deb

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[Guest guest]

Hello our beautiful Sparrow!

 

Thank you for these videos and for all your information and loving guidance. I

am enjoying these videos so much, especially when he is just cracking the heck

up!

 

I have read about giving up all desire - get the ego out of the way. Here is

where I run into trouble - if desire is desire no matter what you desire for -

then I suppose I should let go of the desire for enlightenment? what about the

desire to help people? Can one become self-realized with these desires? haha

 

Also when I seem to release any desire or give up ha I swing into kinda a down

place. I mean I lack motivation, don't care about doing anything, don't care

about whether this me is alive - can see the ego with less strength obviously

but how can that be the path sotospeak? I mean feeling down like that doesnt

seem so helpful to the world or oneself...unless its just a stepping stone that

i cannot know where it leads - but ughhh thats depressing...and even say the

desire to help someone...I mean I have had great desire to help others but I

have to really look at that too sometimes...is that even ego based?

 

And this ego thing...I know is not for killing the ego, I would agree

because its needed in relating with others ect - but I guess what we want it to

take a back seat? And I love joking around and having fun and I know its my ego

of course - I mean does that higher part of ourselves have a sense of humor?

 

And when I watch videos of enlightened people it was rather nice to see they get

mad or have emotions...I mean they may not stay there but clearly thats not gone

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Woops I am off track! Well I know you don't mind! ha

I wanted to say what you wrote about silence - that really resonates with me!

And maybe I shouldn't be concerned about what my mind thinks and just continue

going in silence and perhaps in time that will clear the cobwebs and questioning

of my mind.

 

So anyway just a bunch of rambled thoughts not really making much sense ... when

I'm in that silence I don't even care about these things...maybe thats where to

ask questions...but its so peaceful there that I need nothing then...

of course I come out and in no time ...Deb is back! haha

 

Much love to you Sparrow!

Thanks so much for all this!!! Really really this is the core of what I really

love talking about - so I really appreciate this my friend!!

Deb

And the siddhis thing - I know it seems to be like a - hey theres more to life

than meets the eye - but somehow I doubt all the psychics are going to become

self-realized - So I know that the lights I see - well I look at it as the trees

or the ground or the building - its beautiful and I appreciate that beauty but I

know its not the real behind or in that and us and me that I long for ...shoot

theres that desire again, but more like something beautiful along the way but

its not the way...if that makes sense (: So I shall keep asking " who am I "

" Where did I come from " What is my purpose on and on until i am just peacefully

silent -

I think I would like to have a day a week where I just stay in the now all day -

you know - see how that goes...(: that might be interesting...(:

[Guest guest]

Hi Debs,

 

I asked myself those exact same things about non attachment, I think being

without desire is more about being in a place where you realise that you have

everything you need, you need not hunger after anything as you already have it

all, so then you can just be.

 

Pretty boring sounding I know! But, i guess to fully appreciate a state of just

being you have to reach a certain stillness within, and until thats reached just

being would seem pretty boring.

 

lots of lekky love x x x

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

 

You got me thinking about this Desire thing...for me I am really trying to be

desireless but for one thing only..I think desire for enlightenment or God or

Oneness is the ultimate goal for Kundalinies imho.

btw you are one crazy kundaline..I love ur posts.

 

love

edgar

 

 

 

 

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flowerpowers7777 <flowerpowers7777

 

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:20:17 PM

Re: Be as you are - Deb and Mr Carride

 

 

 

 

 

Hello our beautiful Sparrow!

 

 

I have read about giving up all desire - get the ego out of the way. Here is

where I run into trouble - if desire is desire no matter what you desire for -

then I suppose I should let go of the desire for enlightenment? what about the

desire to help people? Can one become self-realized with these desires? haha

 

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Deb,

I just want to add by desireless..i mean desire for creatures..so my desire now

is for the creator only..

 

blessings and love to all,

edgar

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:17:44 AM

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Hi Deb,

 

You got me thinking about this Desire thing...for me I am really trying to be

desireless but for one thing only..I think desire for enlightenment or God or

Oneness is the ultimate goal for Kundalinies imho.

btw you are one crazy kundaline..I love ur posts.

 

love

edgar

 

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Carride

 

Hello our beautiful Sparrow!

 

I have read about giving up all desire - get the ego out of the way. Here is

where I run into trouble - if desire is desire no matter what you desire for -

then I suppose I should let go of the desire for enlightenment? what about the

desire to help people? Can one become self-realized with these desires? haha

 

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Hi Lekky,

 

Yes I like that - not hunger after anything okay making sense - shoot - wait- I

can't hunger after anything (imagine what I look like if I put my finger in a

socket!) - if Buddha appears before me wiggling his belly I am going to be

hungering after rubbing that shaky belly full of love...

Thank you Lekky - and I too remember before Kundalini started if I tried to

meditate it was soooo boring to me - and now going in that stillness is freeing

- so again thank you girl!

Much love to you too Lekky!

Debs

 

 

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