Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 > > I watched it. Horrifying. The evil coming out of those people. It was like > seeing demons. Not that I've seen that many. > Pray I will. Thank you for caring OSparrow. Like the others, I feel/see your love and care across the wide web and a more gentle nature I can't imagine. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hi no ordinary sparrow, I loved your comment about how everything you experienced led you to the person you are now. All of that negativity in your young life has brought you to this point. I know it was terrible as we go through our trials in life, but in my opinion I think we must experience where life takes us.If in the past you were protected from your experiences would you be the person you are now? perhaps k ma has a plan for them in future personnally I no longer put protection upon myself, I used to , but when you let god/ess in there seems less need and all the more to experience and learn from, knowing that there is a reason. love purple , Tiffany Jones <Tiffany wrote: > > > > > I watched it. Horrifying. The evil coming out of those people. It was like > > seeing demons. Not that I've seen that many. > > > > Pray I will. > > Thank you for caring OSparrow. Like the others, I feel/see your love and > care across the wide web and a more gentle nature I can't imagine. Thank > you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to be so mislead! I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. Linda , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > Namaste > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Namaste, yes, I have joined you in the prayer for the child, and all others in the video too.. I can relate to the bigotry.. grew up white in good old apartheid south africa.... saw white police shooting black demonstrators.. saw black people burning each other.. as a child the africans used to watch the africans who worked for my father return to their tribal lands to fight neigbouring tribes... several members of my family have been victims violence, one was killed... and grew up in a church similiar to the one in the video, evryone waiting for teh second coming... somehow i knew it was wrong from when I was small.... love Bruce , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > Namaste > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > . .i know suggested that we pray for the clearing of the sinuses. > . .but could this one be added also. . .i saw this video three days ago, > from a news website . . . > > > it has been years since something like this has so deeply grabbed the > heart with deep sadness. . .for the past two night the little girl at > the end of the video has been on my heart and have slept little. . .i > know the child touches a bit of my own past. . .i came from a family > where on one side the Native Grandfather was an awesome Holy Man. . .and > on the other side of the family was a grandfather that was a 33 degree > mason that he was a prominent leader in the rural community and was > also a leading member of the KKK. . . .i went through all kinds of > experience in this life but nothing has ever been more painful than to > know and experience the legacy of racial hatred that is part of my white > ancestros. . .for i held so much shame because of it . . .my dad was not > a member of the KKK but many of his beliefs where there and instead of > acting them out on the external world he acted out his woundedness of > the eight kids and we became his " slaves " . > > here is an example; the seventh brother Bill just older than myself is > the kid i have always said wore a tarnish proff halo went to get the > water cannister. . .All of us kids where in a field of hoeing cotton > with lots of Johnson grass. . . .Johnson grass has really deep roots and > it cannot be cut off at the stem but in order to eradicate it, it has to > be dug out several feet into the ground for if any roots are left it > will come back. . .In the field where three four groups of people, a > group of Hispanic workers, a group of African American workers, the > sibling group of mixed race children, and my white father. Anyway Bill > went for water, and on his way back he stopped and have a drink to the > African Americans, then he stopped and have a drink to the Hispanic > workers, he forgot the laddle so he would pour water in the cannister > lid and each person would drink from the lid, when Bill got back to the > family group my dad stripped him of shirt and pants and proceeded to > beat him with a belt till the blood trickled down his back. . .i was > probably five or six, and that day i knew what had happened was insane > and so very wrong. . . > > when my parents married they had a contract. . .he would give up > drinking and she would give up smoking and her Native mixed breed > family. . . but my Native Grandfather would come and set up a tent under > the oak trees and not go into our house because he knew the feelings of > the white family. . .My Grandfather truly was one with the wisdom of > the serpent and the gentleness of the dove, and as a child he passed > many of his ways to me, outdoors walking in Nature. . .my Native > Grandfather made sure i had a herd of horses and between the two the > soul survived and was able to make my way through the family legacy of > biogatry and hatred. . . . and on the otherside i claim all as my karma > and grace that created a fire that has brought to this day. . . > > i revealed that because i am sure there is some of my own projection on > this child and the children of this church group. . . > > the prayer request is for the children in this video and especially for > the little girl in the last minute. . .it is a very distrubing video and > please be warned, some may not want to take in the energetic. . . .and > let me state up front and with sincere heart i am not suggesting that > this is representative of Christianity in any form or texture. . . .this > is hatred,injury, and illness. . . > > but i wonder if there might be some that would join with me to place a > globe of white light of protection on this child?. . .may there come > into her and the other older children of her life guidance of love and > release from all bondage of hatred. . . i know it is possible to be > released from such density and darkness. . . > > God Hates the World > http://themoderatevoice.com/38746/god-hates-the-world/ > <http://themoderatevoice.com/38746/god-hates-the-world/> > > i will be able to rest in peace, knowing the light and love from this > group could wrap these children. . . > > love > ordinary sparrow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hi Linda I have seen a bbc film about them there is already change happening among them , the older girls are rebelling, fed up being bullied in school.They desire to one day to have boyfriends , husbands and children one thing is sure in the world is that everything changes. What dosen't kill them makes them strong. (Linda this part is not personnally to you so please take no offence, I'm just exploring my thoughts aloud for your take on it ) why do we need to judge those different from ourselves and deem them neccessary of prayer? We are all on a journey, we have all made mistakes and hurt people and been hurt its part of life.Why are they different? I think maybe it is something in the shadow that resonates with them and we are actually repulsed by what is inside ourselves and therefore there is where we should direct our prayers .we should pray to kali/jesus to release these parts within ourselves, as this is where we would make the greatest change in the world. As michael jackson said (:)smiley) i'm starting with the man in the mirror, im asking him to change his ways. I guess my question is , is it egoic to pray for another? and should we just pray for ourselves? much love and respect purple x , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to be so mislead! > > I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. > > Linda > > > , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Why pray for another? Honestly, when I was first hit in the head with what seemed a bolt of lightening from God Almighty - I knew I was being 'saved' from the drudgery of my life, because there were thousands of monks and people like us - holding the love and peace of the world (what ever form that may come in) in their hearts and minds and sending me the energy of all of them - plus my circumstances (karma if you will) - to break free of pain and hate and misery. Jesus, Buddha, Tara, - so many of the gods and godesses, angels and what ever we see - they pray for us - they hold us dear - and honestly, without them - I would not be strong enough. I am but dust. I am but chaff under a cow's hoof. In one of my meditations - I was on a bed of crystal, and I opened my eyes to see a gathering of the most beautiful 'angels' in white, gorgeous hair... all the magic.. and the look of hope and admiration they had - the well wishes of them to fulfil my destiny with dignity and honour. I didn't believe it before. I believed in nothing. Now - it is so. But a pray for them, is a prayer for us. We are one and can not progress without each other. with love and respect - just my experience, 2009/7/12 purple_firefly111 <purple_firefly111 > > > Hi Linda I have seen a bbc film about them there is already change > happening among them , the older girls are rebelling, fed up being bullied > in school.They desire to one day to have boyfriends , husbands and children > one thing is sure in the world is that everything changes. What dosen't kill > them makes them strong. > > (Linda this part is not personnally to you so please take no offence, I'm > just exploring my thoughts aloud for your take on it ) > > why do we need to judge those different from ourselves and deem them > neccessary of prayer? We are all on a journey, we have all made mistakes and > hurt people and been hurt its part of life.Why are they different? I think > maybe it is something in the shadow that resonates with them and we are > actually repulsed by what is inside ourselves and therefore there is where > we should direct our prayers .we should pray to kali/jesus to release these > parts within ourselves, as this is where we would make the greatest change > in the world. As michael jackson said (:)smiley) i'm starting with the man > in the mirror, im asking him to change his ways. > > I guess my question is , is it egoic to pray for another? and should we > just pray for ourselves? > > much love and respect > purple x > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > > > OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor > little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so > dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to > be so mislead! > > > > I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made > me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know > much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. > > > > Linda > > > > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > > > > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > > > > > -- Tiffany Jones Patheya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Purple... I am glad to hear that change is happening.... when I became aware of that feeling of gladness arising in me, questions then arose for me... what is it that causes this gladness..?.. how come I am moved to feel this..?.. am I attached to a particular outcome for those in that experience..?.. and your question ?is it egoic to pray for another? Gladness arose because I respond to positive change ( i know.... positive change as I see it!) Injustice and wrong doing to another human being damages us all... and so I guess in a way praying for good to happen another is also praying for ourselves... (egoic I don't think so... but my ego would tell me that wouldn't it..lol) Gladness arose because I desire / want / pray/ long for/ to do no harm to another and to do good when I can.... I share in the damage done in this situation because I am connected and human.....I would pray for all of us to feel tender affection for each other and compassion..... however I would not wish for or pray for the method / manner that goodness, change and justice would occur.... I would just pray that it would arise... Ok if I wanted contol of how change would happen then that would be ego..?? I am very very grateful that I am prayed for...... I am not sure I would have survived some things if I had not been carried by the prayers of others. much love Julia. PS... I must switch off again.... what is it with today??? ( really struggling a bit with being ok and meeting the needs of others... I want to meet my own need right now...AAHH.. a silent scream and nowhaving allowed that ... I am ok..ish! lol ) I will come back when everyone in my house is asleep and can't make any more demands and then I will read the rest of the posts... looking forward to that ...... love julia. ________________________________ purple_firefly111 <purple_firefly111 Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:11:30 PM Re: Prayer request. . . for a lost child. . . Hi Linda I have seen a bbc film about them there is already change happening among them , the older girls are rebelling, fed up being bullied in school.They desire to one day to have boyfriends , husbands and children one thing is sure in the world is that everything changes. What dosen't kill them makes them strong. (Linda this part is not personnally to you so please take no offence, I'm just exploring my thoughts aloud for your take on it ) why do we need to judge those different from ourselves and deem them neccessary of prayer? We are all on a journey, we have all made mistakes and hurt people and been hurt its part of life.Why are they different? I think maybe it is something in the shadow that resonates with them and we are actually repulsed by what is inside ourselves and therefore there is where we should direct our prayers .we should pray to kali/jesus to release these parts within ourselves, as this is where we would make the greatest change in the world. As michael jackson said (:)smiley) i'm starting with the man in the mirror, im asking him to change his ways. I guess my question is , is it egoic to pray for another? and should we just pray for ourselves? much love and respect purple x Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " Linda " <crazycats711@ ....> wrote: > > OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to be so mislead! > > I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. > > Linda > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hi Tiffany , thankyou for your take it is very interesting. my own view is not one of disbelief i have had the god zap too lol I have walked in heaven and hell I learned they both within us. For me I have found that karma falls away by itself without effort just by living justly , honorably, I guess im too yin at the moment. I have created so many disasters praying for peoples " good " and sending out my good intentions, but what I found is that they were my projections of good and bad and had nothing to do with another persons ultimate good. Now i send my love to kali ma , the world is safe in her hands better off with out my interferance, perfect as it is. The surrender into her womb is wonderful. Here are two examples of my rediculous praying, and the trouble it caused. I was hatching a duck, when there was an accident and the egg was crushed at almost hatching time, I took the egg into meditation , i saw the duck in a vision , when i came out the duck egg had no crush just crazing. we were astounded. hatching time came , it couldent escape the egg, I prayed it got out.later it had a fight with another duck, lost an eye and the vet said it would not live , i prayed it lived. it recovered and as soon as it recovered it ran out under a pony's feet . it was broken , i prayed, it was living but hurting. I changed my prayer to kali ma i asked her to do what is right for my little friend, then she died. example 2, my mother was dying , on her deathbed , she was having terrible visions of hell and was afraid to die, I prayed and showed her how to move in the visions , and move out of hell ,she went up a hill and saw jesus, her face beamed her hel torture by entities was at an end she learned to move but unfortunatly after this she refused to eat and drink anymore , she didnt touch a drop until a month later she became unconscious and a few days later died. is refusing food and drink suicide, i don't know? but what i know is i caused it. If i hadn't taught her maybe she could have recovered. but this is kali ma's lesson for me not to control situations , that control belongs in her hands. that we control is an illusion. when we let go of our control we become those beautiful angels, we sprout wings out of our backs and gold helmets on our heads, even if our ego's don't like it very much (lol smiley.) here we are just two bits of chaff under our wonderful cows hoof , isn't it great! much love and thanks for the debate Tiffany purple xx , Tiffany Jones <Tiffany wrote: > > Why pray for another? > Honestly, when I was first hit in the head with what seemed a bolt of > lightening from God Almighty - I knew I was being 'saved' from the drudgery > of my life, because there were thousands of monks and people like us - > holding the love and peace of the world (what ever form that may come in) in > their hearts and minds and sending me the energy of all of them - plus my > circumstances (karma if you will) - to break free of pain and hate and > misery. > > Jesus, Buddha, Tara, - so many of the gods and godesses, angels and what > ever we see - they pray for us - they hold us dear - and honestly, without > them - I would not be strong enough. I am but dust. I am but chaff under a > cow's hoof. > > In one of my meditations - I was on a bed of crystal, and I opened my eyes > to see a gathering of the most beautiful 'angels' in white, gorgeous hair... > all the magic.. and the look of hope and admiration they had - the well > wishes of them to fulfil my destiny with dignity and honour. I > didn't believe it before. I believed in nothing. Now - it is so. > > But a pray for them, is a prayer for us. We are one and can not progress > without each other. > > with love and respect - just my experience, > > 2009/7/12 purple_firefly111 <purple_firefly111 > > > > > > > Hi Linda I have seen a bbc film about them there is already change > > happening among them , the older girls are rebelling, fed up being bullied > > in school.They desire to one day to have boyfriends , husbands and children > > one thing is sure in the world is that everything changes. What dosen't kill > > them makes them strong. > > > > (Linda this part is not personnally to you so please take no offence, I'm > > just exploring my thoughts aloud for your take on it ) > > > > why do we need to judge those different from ourselves and deem them > > neccessary of prayer? We are all on a journey, we have all made mistakes and > > hurt people and been hurt its part of life.Why are they different? I think > > maybe it is something in the shadow that resonates with them and we are > > actually repulsed by what is inside ourselves and therefore there is where > > we should direct our prayers .we should pray to kali/jesus to release these > > parts within ourselves, as this is where we would make the greatest change > > in the world. As michael jackson said (:)smiley) i'm starting with the man > > in the mirror, im asking him to change his ways. > > > > I guess my question is , is it egoic to pray for another? and should we > > just pray for ourselves? > > > > much love and respect > > purple x > > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > > " Linda " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor > > little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so > > dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to > > be so mislead! > > > > > > I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made > > me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know > > much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > > " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > > > > > > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tiffany Jones > Patheya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Lovely post and thank you for sharing yourself. I felt it like a spoon digging into my heart. I guess, I pray - have you read 'a course in miracles'? In it, the advice is always pray for 'goodness' or 'light' but with no intention. and only if 'god' wills. So - there is always this qualification. Perhaps we pray the same anyway - just different words. I used to do healing with intention - and I found, as you said, it was ego. It was trying to 'make' something happen that was not. Now, if I do healing, its only 'if it is Thy will'. I just let the light flow and have no intention of what will happen. I resisted the mother for a long time. She's new to me. I always walked with the father - and he's of the mind. Piercing. Now mother wants to join, and I find new ways opening to me all the time. And the love. And the caring. Its a nice place to be after feeling so isolated. But still I find myself holding back. Soon. Love and love 2009/7/12 purple_firefly111 <purple_firefly111 > > > Hi Tiffany , thankyou for your take it is very interesting. > my own view is not one of disbelief i have had the god zap too lol > I have walked in heaven and hell I learned they both within us. > For me I have found that karma falls away by itself without effort just by > living justly , honorably, I guess im too yin at the moment. > > I have created so many disasters praying for peoples " good " and sending out > my > here we are just two bits of chaff under our wonderful cows hoof , isn't it > great! > > much love and thanks for the debate Tiffany > purple xx > > > --s via the Web</join;_ylc=X3oDMT\ JnMzV1anFpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZWMDZn\ RyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw>( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest<-digest ?subject=Email+Delive\ ry:+Digest>| Switch > format to Traditional<-traditional ?subject=Ch\ ange+Delivery+Format:+Traditional> > Visit Your Group > <;_ylc=X3oDMTJlczRsaG\ UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsaw\ NocGYEc3RpbWUDMTI0NzQyNDM5MA-->| > Groups Terms of Use <> | Un > <- ?subject=> > Recent Activity > > - 10 > New Members</members;_ylc\ =X3oDMTJncjBpb2xxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQR\ zZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw> > - 19 > New Photos</spnew;_ylc=X3\ oDMTJnbDFlMXFmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZW\ MDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw> > > Visit Your Group > <;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMXA2b2\ cyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw\ N2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNDc0MjQzOTA-> > Give Back > > for Good<http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJuZ2g5OHJpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSW\ QDMTUxMDcxMjMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc2NDc5BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTI0Nz\ QyNDM5MA--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand./forgood> > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free!<http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJwMzcwc2U0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwS\ WQDMTUxMDcxMjMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc2NDc5BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxM\ jQ3NDI0Mzkw;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar./%3F.cpdl=ygrps> > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > > Start a group</start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwYjc1NmpjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzM\ EZ3JwSWQDMTUxMDcxMjMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc2NDc5BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGl\ tZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw> > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > . > > > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Thanks Tiffany , walking with the father , and I thought I had no desires left that's one walk i'd like to do some day. thanks for the help bringing me closer to him. much love purple , Tiffany Jones <Tiffany wrote: > > Lovely post and thank you for sharing yourself. I felt it like a spoon > digging into my heart. > I guess, I pray - have you read 'a course in miracles'? In it, the advice is > always pray for 'goodness' or 'light' but with no intention. and only if > 'god' wills. So - there is always this qualification. Perhaps we pray the > same anyway - just different words. > > I used to do healing with intention - and I found, as you said, it was ego. > It was trying to 'make' something happen that was not. > > Now, if I do healing, its only 'if it is Thy will'. I just let the light > flow and have no intention of what will happen. > > I resisted the mother for a long time. She's new to me. I always walked with > the father - and he's of the mind. Piercing. Now mother wants to join, and I > find new ways opening to me all the time. And the love. And the caring. Its > a nice place to be after feeling so isolated. But still I find myself > holding back. Soon. > > Love and love > > > > 2009/7/12 purple_firefly111 <purple_firefly111 > > > > > > > Hi Tiffany , thankyou for your take it is very interesting. > > my own view is not one of disbelief i have had the god zap too lol > > I have walked in heaven and hell I learned they both within us. > > For me I have found that karma falls away by itself without effort just by > > living justly , honorably, I guess im too yin at the moment. > > > > I have created so many disasters praying for peoples " good " and sending out > > my > > here we are just two bits of chaff under our wonderful cows hoof , isn't it > > great! > > > > much love and thanks for the debate Tiffany > > purple xx > > > > > > --s via the Web</join;_ylc=X3oDMT\ JnMzV1anFpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZWMDZn\ RyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw>( ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest<-digest ?subject=Email+Delive\ ry:+Digest>| Switch > > format to Traditional<-traditional ?subject=Ch\ ange+Delivery+Format:+Traditional> > > Visit Your Group > > <;_ylc=X3oDMTJlczRsaG\ UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsaw\ NocGYEc3RpbWUDMTI0NzQyNDM5MA-->| > > Groups Terms of Use <> | Un > > <- ?subject=> > > Recent Activity > > > > - 10 > > New Members</members;_ylc\ =X3oDMTJncjBpb2xxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQR\ zZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw> > > - 19 > > New Photos</spnew;_ylc=X3\ oDMTJnbDFlMXFmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZW\ MDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw> > > > > Visit Your Group > > <;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMXA2b2\ cyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTA3MTIzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NjQ3OQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw\ N2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNDc0MjQzOTA-> > > Give Back > > > > for Good<http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJuZ2g5OHJpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSW\ QDMTUxMDcxMjMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc2NDc5BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTI0Nz\ QyNDM5MA--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand./forgood> > > > > Get inspired > > > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > > > Get it Free!<http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJwMzcwc2U0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwS\ WQDMTUxMDcxMjMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc2NDc5BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxM\ jQ3NDI0Mzkw;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar./%3F.cpdl=ygrps> > > > > easy 1-click access > > > > to your groups. > > > > > > Start a group</start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwYjc1NmpjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzM\ EZ3JwSWQDMTUxMDcxMjMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc2NDc5BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGl\ tZQMxMjQ3NDI0Mzkw> > > > > in 3 easy steps. > > > > Connect with others. > > . > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Glad you asked the questions Purple and will be glad to reply. Since this has been in the news for several years now, I am sure that there has been many christians and others who believe in praying that have prayed for then and just perhaps that is what has caused the chance in the situation. Maybe that is something you should give some thought to, Purple. I believe in praying for my self and others, because Jesus is my example who as well prayed for himself and others. He commanded us to pray without ceasing for ourself and for others. Also gave us an example of a perfect prayer to pray. Through prayer and fasting we has been given the power to loose or bound the burdens and cares of others. If you see someone on the way side injured and hurting, do you just leave them there in there pain and suffering and go on your merry way without giving them a helping hand. Purple, would you just say that is their path and not try to help them? If you are hurt and bleeding on the side of the road, would you want someone to take time out of their day to help you? That is for sure what chrism is doing here as an examlpe for us all. That is part of the safeties, to do service for others. I do agree with you that everyone makes mistakes and hurt others intentionally and unintentionally. Of course, these peolpe are no different, they believe in their cause. Every day we make judgements and choices about this or that. In the bible when it says do not judge others, it means do not hold yourself above others as being better than they as if you do not do any wrong, we all make mistake. I certianly have not said I am perfect and do no wrong. We also all have the law of God written in our hearts and know right and wrong. Sometimes people do get so deep in the muck and mire that they cannot see the wrong they are doing. We all have been there and when we are there a helping hand is sometimes needed, in the form of prayer or whatever. It is called doing service for others, not just living for yourself. I do not see saying a prayer for someone in trouble as looking down on them. It would only be egoic if you used praying as a means of seeking an award for self. Oh, btw, I was not the one who posted that video about those people and asked for prayer for them. That was Sparrow that did that. It was also Sparrow that judge me as being offended by her words, which I " WAS NOT " . She just took what I wrote wrong is all. It " is " offensive to me because of the mistake that was made for you all to continue to insinuating that just because I am a christian, I am over sensitive about my religion. That is a judgement you are all are making, that all christian are sensitive about their religion. Just because some christian in your life was sensitive, that does not make us all sensitive. So just cut the offensive crap, already! I got over sensitive and cried for the rest of the day because I thought I had hurt Sparrow with my words. Love and respect, Linda , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > Hi Linda I have seen a bbc film about them there is already change happening among them , the older girls are rebelling, fed up being bullied in school.They desire to one day to have boyfriends , husbands and children one thing is sure in the world is that everything changes. What dosen't kill them makes them strong. > > (Linda this part is not personnally to you so please take no offence, I'm just exploring my thoughts aloud for your take on it ) > > why do we need to judge those different from ourselves and deem them neccessary of prayer? We are all on a journey, we have all made mistakes and hurt people and been hurt its part of life.Why are they different? I think maybe it is something in the shadow that resonates with them and we are actually repulsed by what is inside ourselves and therefore there is where we should direct our prayers .we should pray to kali/jesus to release these parts within ourselves, as this is where we would make the greatest change in the world. As michael jackson said (:)smiley) i'm starting with the man in the mirror, im asking him to change his ways. > > I guess my question is , is it egoic to pray for another? and should we just pray for ourselves? > > much love and respect > purple x > > > > , " Linda " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to be so mislead! > > > > I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. > > > > Linda > > > > > > , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > > > > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hi Linda much love, I personally hope you don't go into lurksville , anyway I havent read all of the posts, and think i've missed something it seems I didn't know about hurting sparrow. I've just met you both and it feels to me that you both send out a great deal of love and respect for each other and everyone you meet. now back to egoic me lol.. my questions about prayer are questions im asking of myself , my quest within.I bounced them off linda crazy cats for her particular take on the world.Im enjoying my journey into the diversity in prayer , it's fun. On a separate but still fun subject , I met a lion once that taught me a little about healing he taught me for every illness a cure is created , and he taught me how to claw out negative energy, that causes illness in the form of a contraction. Yes flows energy out into the universe and no stops energy flow or causes a contraction. The contractions cause pain , and if it continues to contract an illness forms. That lion of yours is really intersting to chat to but watch out he asks strange questions of you in return .I hope you have the same one, I'm so interested to hear more about yours. love, respect purple , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > Glad you asked the questions Purple and will be glad to reply. > > Since this has been in the news for several years now, I am sure that there has been many christians and others who believe in praying that have prayed for then and just perhaps that is what has caused the chance in the situation. Maybe that is something you should give some thought to, Purple. > > I believe in praying for my self and others, because Jesus is my example who as well prayed for himself and others. He commanded us to pray without ceasing for ourself and for others. Also gave us an example of a perfect prayer to pray. Through prayer and fasting we has been given the power to loose or bound the burdens and cares of others. > > If you see someone on the way side injured and hurting, do you just leave them there in there pain and suffering and go on your merry way without giving them a helping hand. Purple, would you just say that is their path and not try to help them? If you are hurt and bleeding on the side of the road, would you want someone to take time out of their day to help you? That is for sure what chrism is doing here as an examlpe for us all. That is part of the safeties, to do service for others. > > I do agree with you that everyone makes mistakes and hurt others intentionally and unintentionally. Of course, these peolpe are no different, they believe in their cause. Every day we make judgements and choices about this or that. In the bible when it says do not judge others, it means do not hold yourself above others as being better than they as if you do not do any wrong, we all make mistake. I certianly have not said I am perfect and do no wrong. We also all have the law of God written in our hearts and know right and wrong. Sometimes people do get so deep in the muck and mire that they cannot see the wrong they are doing. We all have been there and when we are there a helping hand is sometimes needed, in the form of prayer or whatever. It is called doing service for others, not just living for yourself. I do not see saying a prayer for someone in trouble as looking down on them. It would only be egoic if you used praying as a means of seeking an award for self. > > Oh, btw, I was not the one who posted that video about those people and asked for prayer for them. That was Sparrow that did that. > > It was also Sparrow that judge me as being offended by her words, which I " WAS NOT " . She just took what I wrote wrong is all. > > It " is " offensive to me because of the mistake that was made for you all to continue to insinuating that just because I am a christian, I am over sensitive about my religion. That is a judgement you are all are making, that all christian are sensitive about their religion. Just because some christian in your life was sensitive, that does not make us all sensitive. So just cut the offensive crap, already! I got over sensitive and cried for the rest of the day because I thought I had hurt Sparrow with my words. > > Love and respect, > Linda > > , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111@> wrote: > > > > Hi Linda I have seen a bbc film about them there is already change happening among them , the older girls are rebelling, fed up being bullied in school.They desire to one day to have boyfriends , husbands and children one thing is sure in the world is that everything changes. What dosen't kill them makes them strong. > > > > (Linda this part is not personnally to you so please take no offence, I'm just exploring my thoughts aloud for your take on it ) > > > > why do we need to judge those different from ourselves and deem them neccessary of prayer? We are all on a journey, we have all made mistakes and hurt people and been hurt its part of life.Why are they different? I think maybe it is something in the shadow that resonates with them and we are actually repulsed by what is inside ourselves and therefore there is where we should direct our prayers .we should pray to kali/jesus to release these parts within ourselves, as this is where we would make the greatest change in the world. As michael jackson said (:)smiley) i'm starting with the man in the mirror, im asking him to change his ways. > > > > I guess my question is , is it egoic to pray for another? and should we just pray for ourselves? > > > > much love and respect > > purple x > > > > > > > > , " Linda " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > OMG! they are definitely not an example of true christianity. That poor little girl. I think the whole church needs prayed for. They all looked so dark and dim with no light or love showing through. How aweful for them to be so mislead! > > > > > > I will keep them all in my prayers. Hearing them sing of such hate made me feel sick to my stomach. That is the worse of the worse. I do not know much about the Baptist church. I hope they are not all like that. > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > dear K Ma brothers and sisters. . . > > > > > > > > i have a prayer request for this weekend when the group joins together. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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