Apathy... (Watch this crazy dialogue with myself lol) - Tiffany

[Guest guest]

Hi Tiffany,

 

I hope your sickness passes soon. When my K. become underway, I also went

through periods of wondering if it was all just a trick and a mental illusion..

it just keeps on going...

 

I was thinking of something today regarding the recent crucifixion opinions, and

it came back tonight as I read your posts. I view there being two primary love

currents in the universe, Eros, which is the love of the higher possibility, and

Agape, which is the love of what is.

 

I sense that on this group, we are all committed to living Agape, and that is

expressed as a welcoming of whatever words and opinions are being expressed, and

an honoring and embrace of those opinions, even thouugh they may be different,

contradictory or even perceived as disrespectful to our own. From the position

of Agape, i respect and understand your position that you were not respected and

your opinion was unfairly reacted to, as likewise I respect that everyone on

this group has a deeply loving and good intention.

 

However, I sense that is not the end of the story. Do we just all say everything

is ok and just leave it there? And how do we avoid getting involved in

reactionary cyles of who is right and who is wrong? Personally, I would like to

be part of a group (and I would welcome everyone elses thoughts on the matter),

that holds each other up to our highest possibilities, ie what would it mean to

live Eros? Are we able to hold each other up to our highest good, and call each

other to live our highest truth? One of the elements I like about this group is

that seems to bring forth the voice of our highest, most loving selves. Are we

able to question each others opinions, and what basis the opinion is formed

from? If a perspective can be shown to be more accurate, or more helpful, than

another, can we question and probe anothers viewpoint?

 

 

I understand this is very very tricky territory, as the ways in which we give

meaning to our worlds and construct our realities are deeply diverse, yet if we

can hold a learning frame, a commitment to both the current truth and the truth

of our higher possibility, and see ourselves as so much more than the ideas we

hold, then perhaps this type of dialogue and inquiry is possible. And, of

course, there is always the freedom to engage or not engage in this type of

dialogue.

 

So, having framed this discussion, I was simply wondering if using language like

'hate, screaming, sh#t and dammed' is the voice of your higher self, and what

that langauge brings forth into the world?

 

I can really understand what it means to have ones limits pushed by K, and there

have been times when I have sworn profusely.. haha.. yet I am always drawn back

to the Buddhist notion of Right Speech, and so its a standard which I try and

hold myself up to..

 

love

Bruce

 

> Here I am about to blab my thoughts for you all to read. I hate being so

seemingly in my head and talking as if I am screaming the loudest over here, but

when I ever have anything to say back to anyone's posts that I know something

about (Which is about .03% here) I will respond. Promise.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bruce, I think you are very wise in all you say and ponder in the post

below. 

I was the one who used the word Sh*t. 

If I comment about that will I be, or appear to be  defending the fact that I

used the word in the first place?  I do want to explain and I guess I would like

some understanding about it.

Correct speech is somthing that I try to practice, but that word sh*t is one

that I use quite a bit...  It is crude I know and I will not use it again from

this point on this forum.

During my very short meditation today which was more a day dreaming session....

I remembered quite clearly an incident in my teens that suddenly connected it

with the word sh*t that I  had used in my post re a book..... very briefly here

it is... 

In the 70's my cousin from america whom I had never met came over here with my

aunt... we were both in our teens... he was perhaps a bit suprised by my hippie

way of dressing as it was quite different from the rest of my family... anyways

during my day dreaming today  I remembered quite clearly saying to him,( it was

almost like watching a film... ) " hey I will check where the best craic can be

had tonight "    Later on I discovered that he  was seriously worried that I was

doing drugs...

I wanted to make sure where ever I brought him that night it would be the place

with the best craic/fun happening. 

Sh*t is a word that is used too often in my neck of the woods.... I think it is

said very casually here and is usually not said in a deliberatly hurtful way...

for example...You are full of sh*t can actually be said in my country with

affection! ( i know probably wrong thinking too) so for me to say a book is full

of Sh*t truthfully means I just disagree with it,,, sh*t was not meant to incite

or to hurt.  I was never angry or hurt by what was said, that interpretation of

my response to the post is just not correct.

I kinda like the word Sh*t ..... it can be seen by one person to be a waste

product or by another as a manure.... which ever way it is viewed the actual

sh*t is as it is... it is the perspective of it that is different, and how the

sh*t is used or not.

 

 Love Julia.

 

 

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bruce_oom <bruce_oom

 

Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:23:58 PM

Re: Apathy... (Watch this crazy

dialogue with myself lol) - Tiffany

 

 

 

 

 

 Are we able to question each others opinions, and what basis the opinion is

formed from? If a perspective can be shown to be more accurate, or more helpful,

than another, can we question and probe anothers viewpoint?

 

 

So, having framed this discussion, I was simply wondering if using language like

'hate, screaming, sh#t and dammed' is the voice of your higher self, and what

that langauge brings forth into the world?

 

 

 

love

Bruce

 

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