Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Hi everyone. I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma means to different people. I read different articles/text about karma but one of the texts, I cannot remember where i read it from or who wrote it, really made me think about it. The text really made " sense " (not in an analytical linear sense, but a spirital sense) to me. So here is my interpretation of that text plus my further conclusions/opinions (??? not sure if thats the right word) based upon it: Karma is not what you do good or what you do bad. Karma is how you label experiences that happen to you. There are no good or bad experiences in life, it is only how you label the experience that creates Karma. In other words karma is some way related to your habit. If you start labeling more and more experiences as " bad " you will have more and more bad karma. If you start labeling more and more experiences as " good " you will have more and more bad karma. So if karma passes through reincarnations, it also means that part of our habits pass through reincarnations. That, in turn, means that some part of our habits are part of our soul/spirit (what ever name you give it). In Vipassana meditation, (the meditation that Buddha probably used during his time), you watch your thoughts rise up from the subconscious mind. The more your practice this type of meditation the deeper your can " see " into your subconscious mind, and the quicker you can see thoughts coming up. The more deeper you can see in your subconsciousness the more of your previous lifes and their karmas (habits) you can see. The buddhist tell you what " Any action creates karma " and also, as much as you can be bound to the ground with iron chains, as in the case of bad karma, you can also to bound to the ground with golden chains, as in the case of good karma. The only way out of the circle of samsara (karma), is through no action or in other words not labeling any experiences (i mean physical/mental/spiritual/etc experiences). Through this detachment, you do not create any karma. I truly believe that our subconsciousness has our seed of spirit deep inside. This subconsciousness, even though it communicates with our physical mind, is time/space independent and resides everywhere and in all " time " . At this level we (not just conscious beings, but every grain of sand and every molecule) are all one. Since every single " thing " (atoms/people/planets/etc) has a consciousness, and all consciousness is together at the global time/space independent consciousness pool, any manifestations in this world is coming from your own actions (thoughts). For example, you have past life karma of violence, and in the deep subconsciouss mind this will manifest into thoughts in your current life. These thoughts will rise up in your conscious mind and setup the " scenery " for violence. You mind not believe that thoughts are this powerful, but they are. Be careful what you think for. If you tie in the latest quantum mechanics research into this, it fits completely with the picture. You cannot do an experiment without altering its result. There is " something " acting outside of our usual senses and our usual scientific meters that is altering that results. At the quantum mechanics level, our current way of thinking breaks down. Things are in two places at the same time, things go back and forward in time, etc etc. I believe the next breakthrough in science will be the discovery of this universal time/space independent subconsciousness mind pool. All of us are swimming together in bliss there. Sorry for my bad writing. I really need to take a writing class (stupid of me to have skipped all those English classes in high school). Much love, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Mike, yep, an interesting discussion. For me, the simplest way I look at things is that my results mirror my deepest truth. When my truth is unconscious (ie repressed, or whats going on inside me is not congruent with my ego idea of myself and I have lots of shadow) then I get results that confuse me or I dont like. Karma is the manifestation of the deepest truth. When muy deepest truth is conscious, ie I have worked with and purified much shadow, and I am conscioulsy aligned with the vision of my higher self, or the vision of my deepest truth, then my results start to express that. So, if was to define karma, it would be the results I get from (action + intentionality). The more conscious I am of my true intentions, the more I get the results I want. I suspect Spirit plays a co-creative role in setting up situations for me to see my mirror.. (haha. thanks God ) love Bruce , JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma > means to different people. > > I read different articles/text about karma but one of the texts, I cannot > remember where i read it from or who wrote it, really made me think about > it. > The text really made " sense " (not in an analytical linear sense, but a > spirital sense) to me. > > So here is my interpretation of that text plus my further > conclusions/opinions (??? not sure if thats the right word) based upon it: > > Karma is not what you do good or what you do bad. Karma is how you label > experiences that happen to you. There are no good or bad experiences > in life, it is only how you label the experience that creates Karma. In > other words karma is some way related to your habit. If you start labeling > more and more experiences as " bad " you will have more and more bad karma. If > you start labeling more and more experiences as " good " > you will have more and more bad karma. So if karma passes through > reincarnations, it also means that part of our habits pass through > reincarnations. > That, in turn, means that some part of our habits are part of our > soul/spirit (what ever name you give it). > In Vipassana meditation, (the meditation that Buddha probably used during > his time), you watch your thoughts rise up from the subconscious mind. The > more your practice this type of meditation the deeper your can " see " into > your subconscious mind, and the quicker you can see thoughts coming up. The > more deeper you can see in your subconsciousness the more of your previous > lifes and their karmas (habits) you can see. > The buddhist tell you what " Any action creates karma " and also, as much as > you can be bound to the ground with iron chains, as in the case of bad > karma, you can also to bound to the ground with golden chains, as in the > case of good karma. The only way out of the circle of samsara (karma), is > through no action or in other words not labeling any experiences (i mean > physical/mental/spiritual/etc experiences). Through this detachment, you do > not create any karma. > I truly believe that our subconsciousness has our seed of spirit deep > inside. This subconsciousness, even though it communicates with our physical > mind, is time/space independent and resides everywhere and in all " time " . At > this level we (not just conscious beings, but every grain of sand and every > molecule) are all one. Since every single " thing " (atoms/people/planets/etc) > has a consciousness, and all consciousness is together at the global > time/space independent consciousness pool, any manifestations in this world > is coming from your own actions (thoughts). For example, you have past life > karma of violence, and in the deep subconsciouss mind this will manifest > into thoughts in your current life. These thoughts will rise up in your > conscious mind and setup the " scenery " for violence. You mind not believe > that thoughts are this powerful, but they are. Be careful what you think > for. > If you tie in the latest quantum mechanics research into this, it fits > completely with the picture. You cannot do an experiment without altering > its result. There is " something " acting outside of our usual senses and our > usual scientific meters that is altering that results. At the quantum > mechanics level, > our current way of thinking breaks down. Things are in two places at the > same time, things go back and forward in time, etc etc. > I believe the next breakthrough in science will be the discovery of this > universal time/space independent subconsciousness mind pool. > All of us are swimming together in bliss there. > > > > Sorry for my bad writing. I really need to take a writing class (stupid of > me to have skipped all those English classes in high school). > > Much love, > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 , JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma > means to different people. > > I read different articles/text about karma but one of the texts, I cannot > remember where i read it from or who wrote it, really made me think about > it. > The text really made " sense " (not in an analytical linear sense, but a > spirital sense) to me. > > So here is my interpretation of that text plus my further > conclusions/opinions (??? not sure if thats the right word) based upon it: > > Karma is not what you do good or what you do bad. Karma is how you label > experiences that happen to you. There are no good or bad experiences > in life, it is only how you label the experience that creates Karma. In > other words karma is some way related to your habit. If you start labeling > more and more experiences as " bad " you will have more and more bad karma. If > you start labeling more and more experiences as " good " > you will have more and more bad karma. So if karma passes through > reincarnations, it also means that part of our habits pass through > reincarnations. > That, in turn, means that some part of our habits are part of our > soul/spirit (what ever name you give it). > In Vipassana meditation, (the meditation that Buddha probably used during > his time), you watch your thoughts rise up from the subconscious mind. The > more your practice this type of meditation the deeper your can " see " into > your subconscious mind, and the quicker you can see thoughts coming up. The > more deeper you can see in your subconsciousness the more of your previous > lifes and their karmas (habits) you can see. > The buddhist tell you what " Any action creates karma " and also, as much as > you can be bound to the ground with iron chains, as in the case of bad > karma, you can also to bound to the ground with golden chains, as in the > case of good karma. The only way out of the circle of samsara (karma), is > through no action or in other words not labeling any experiences (i mean > physical/mental/spiritual/etc experiences). Through this detachment, you do > not create any karma. > I truly believe that our subconsciousness has our seed of spirit deep > inside. This subconsciousness, even though it communicates with our physical > mind, is time/space independent and resides everywhere and in all " time " . At > this level we (not just conscious beings, but every grain of sand and every > molecule) are all one. Since every single " thing " (atoms/people/planets/etc) > has a consciousness, and all consciousness is together at the global > time/space independent consciousness pool, any manifestations in this world > is coming from your own actions (thoughts). For example, you have past life > karma of violence, and in the deep subconsciouss mind this will manifest > into thoughts in your current life. These thoughts will rise up in your > conscious mind and setup the " scenery " for violence. You mind not believe > that thoughts are this powerful, but they are. Be careful what you think > for. > If you tie in the latest quantum mechanics research into this, it fits > completely with the picture. You cannot do an experiment without altering > its result. There is " something " acting outside of our usual senses and our > usual scientific meters that is altering that results. At the quantum > mechanics level, > our current way of thinking breaks down. Things are in two places at the > same time, things go back and forward in time, etc etc. > I believe the next breakthrough in science will be the discovery of this > universal time/space independent subconsciousness mind pool. > All of us are swimming together in bliss there. > Karma means " you reap what sowed " it's connected with the soul but I don't know the origine of the soul and where does it come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Bruce. So your karma is something of a guide to you? Much love, Mike On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:43 AM, bruce_oom <bruce_oom wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > yep, an interesting discussion. For me, the simplest way I look at things > is that my results mirror my deepest truth. When my truth is unconscious (ie > repressed, or whats going on inside me is not congruent with my ego idea of > myself and I have lots of shadow) then I get results that confuse me or I > dont like. Karma is the manifestation of the deepest truth. When muy deepest > truth is conscious, ie I have worked with and purified much shadow, and I am > conscioulsy aligned with the vision of my higher self, or the vision of my > deepest truth, then my results start to express that. So, if was to define > karma, it would be the results I get from (action + intentionality). The > more conscious I am of my true intentions, the more I get the results I > want. > > I suspect Spirit plays a co-creative role in setting up situations for me > to see my mirror.. (haha. thanks God ) > > love > Bruce > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: > > > > Hi everyone. > > > > I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma > > means to different people. > > > > I read different articles/text about karma but one of the texts, I cannot > > remember where i read it from or who wrote it, really made me think about > > it. > > The text really made " sense " (not in an analytical linear sense, but a > > spirital sense) to me. > > > > So here is my interpretation of that text plus my further > > conclusions/opinions (??? not sure if thats the right word) based upon > it: > > > > Karma is not what you do good or what you do bad. Karma is how you label > > experiences that happen to you. There are no good or bad experiences > > in life, it is only how you label the experience that creates Karma. In > > other words karma is some way related to your habit. If you start > labeling > > more and more experiences as " bad " you will have more and more bad karma. > If > > you start labeling more and more experiences as " good " > > you will have more and more bad karma. So if karma passes through > > reincarnations, it also means that part of our habits pass through > > reincarnations. > > That, in turn, means that some part of our habits are part of our > > soul/spirit (what ever name you give it). > > In Vipassana meditation, (the meditation that Buddha probably used during > > his time), you watch your thoughts rise up from the subconscious mind. > The > > more your practice this type of meditation the deeper your can " see " into > > your subconscious mind, and the quicker you can see thoughts coming up. > The > > more deeper you can see in your subconsciousness the more of your > previous > > lifes and their karmas (habits) you can see. > > The buddhist tell you what " Any action creates karma " and also, as much > as > > you can be bound to the ground with iron chains, as in the case of bad > > karma, you can also to bound to the ground with golden chains, as in the > > case of good karma. The only way out of the circle of samsara (karma), is > > through no action or in other words not labeling any experiences (i mean > > physical/mental/spiritual/etc experiences). Through this detachment, you > do > > not create any karma. > > I truly believe that our subconsciousness has our seed of spirit deep > > inside. This subconsciousness, even though it communicates with our > physical > > mind, is time/space independent and resides everywhere and in all " time " . > At > > this level we (not just conscious beings, but every grain of sand and > every > > molecule) are all one. Since every single " thing " > (atoms/people/planets/etc) > > has a consciousness, and all consciousness is together at the global > > time/space independent consciousness pool, any manifestations in this > world > > is coming from your own actions (thoughts). For example, you have past > life > > karma of violence, and in the deep subconsciouss mind this will manifest > > into thoughts in your current life. These thoughts will rise up in your > > conscious mind and setup the " scenery " for violence. You mind not believe > > that thoughts are this powerful, but they are. Be careful what you think > > for. > > If you tie in the latest quantum mechanics research into this, it fits > > completely with the picture. You cannot do an experiment without altering > > its result. There is " something " acting outside of our usual senses and > our > > usual scientific meters that is altering that results. At the quantum > > mechanics level, > > our current way of thinking breaks down. Things are in two places at the > > same time, things go back and forward in time, etc etc. > > I believe the next breakthrough in science will be the discovery of this > > universal time/space independent subconsciousness mind pool. > > All of us are swimming together in bliss there. > > > > > > > > Sorry for my bad writing. I really need to take a writing class (stupid > of > > me to have skipped all those English classes in high school). > > > > Much love, > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 First of all, Osiyo everybody, and Happy New Year. I’ve been out of town the last few weeks at an annual ceremony, and now I’m back, so greetings and blessings to each one of you. About karma, this is my take,YMMV. I think of karma as the breadcrumbs we lay down to guide ourselves back to the Love which is All That Is, and I think Time is a construct we use to help ourselves learn about it. I think our “past†lives are aspects of our Self playing various roles on separate stages concurrently, and that karma is a tool we can use to send messages to our other aspects to help us/them wake up and come home to a larger and wiser unity. I think that as the K energy dissolves our barriers to perception, we can intentionally guide our other selves to overcome challenges and help spark healing in the various arenas where we are interacting with other forms of consciousness, be they corporeal or otherwise (other cast members and our studio audience). I think this is the challenge and opportunity facing us as we expand our awareness, increase our vibration, and move into co-creatorship, helping all life forms embrace our true Sentient Love identity. Fwiw. Peace, Shaz --- JiNN wrote: I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma means to different people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Happy New Year and blessings to you too Shaz, I really enjoyed reading what you wrote here. Karma can be viewed in so many different ways; I've struggled to understand this. I resonate with what you wrote though and appreciate the uplifting message you brought here. There is something inside that does seem to guide us to not only the realization of love that we are, but also wanting to help others realize the beauty and love inside them too. When I focus on love the kundalini really moves and feels so beautiful, It sure helps you realize pretty quickly there is something to this love thing! ha So many thanks and thank you Jinn (: for bringing up this topic. Deb , " kaweah0001 " <kaweah1 wrote: > > First of all, Osiyo everybody, and Happy New Year. I’ve been out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think - Karma is action and consequence and taking responsibility for it. To be without Karma, is to live without intention, from the deep seat of Being. Then one is removed. The Kundalini cleaning process, speeds up the Karmic balance sheet. Namaste 2009/7/20 flowerpowers7777 <flowerpowers7777 > > > Happy New Year and blessings to you too Shaz, > > I really enjoyed reading what you wrote here. Karma can be viewed in so > many different ways; I've struggled to understand this. I resonate with what > you wrote though and appreciate the uplifting message you brought here. > There is something inside that does seem to guide us to not only the > realization of love that we are, but also wanting to help others realize the > beauty and love inside them too. When I focus on love the kundalini really > moves and feels so beautiful, It sure helps you realize pretty quickly there > is something to this love thing! ha > So many thanks and thank you Jinn (: for bringing up this topic. > Deb > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > " kaweah0001 " <kaweah1 wrote: > > > > First of all, Osiyo everybody, and Happy New Year. I’ve been out > > > -- Tiffany Jones Patheya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 I know this is a little late response, but WOW! So many definitions of Karma. Thanks everyone who replied. Chrism what is your take on this? What do you feel Karma is? Mike On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM, JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma > means to different people. > > I read different articles/text about karma but one of the texts, I > cannot remember where i read it from or who wrote it, really made me think > about it. > The text really made " sense " (not in an analytical linear sense, but a > spirital sense) to me. > > So here is my interpretation of that text plus my further > conclusions/opinions (??? not sure if thats the right word) based upon it: > > Karma is not what you do good or what you do bad. Karma is how you label > experiences that happen to you. There are no good or bad experiences > in life, it is only how you label the experience that creates Karma. In > other words karma is some way related to your habit. If you start labeling > more and more experiences as " bad " you will have more and more bad karma. > If you start labeling more and more experiences as " good " > you will have more and more bad karma. So if karma passes through > reincarnations, it also means that part of our habits pass through > reincarnations. > That, in turn, means that some part of our habits are part of our > soul/spirit (what ever name you give it). > In Vipassana meditation, (the meditation that Buddha probably used > during his time), you watch your thoughts rise up from the subconscious > mind. The more your practice this type of meditation the deeper your can > " see " into your subconscious mind, and the quicker you can see thoughts > coming up. The more deeper you can see in your subconsciousness the more of > your previous lifes and their karmas (habits) you can see. > The buddhist tell you what " Any action creates karma " and also, as much > as you can be bound to the ground with iron chains, as in the case of bad > karma, you can also to bound to the ground with golden chains, as in the > case of good karma. The only way out of the circle of samsara (karma), is > through no action or in other words not labeling any experiences (i mean > physical/mental/spiritual/etc experiences). Through this detachment, you do > not create any karma. > I truly believe that our subconsciousness has our seed of spirit deep > inside. This subconsciousness, even though it communicates with our physical > mind, is time/space independent and resides everywhere and in all " time " . At > this level we (not just conscious beings, but every grain of sand and every > molecule) are all one. Since every single " thing " (atoms/people/planets/etc) > has a consciousness, and all consciousness is together at the global > time/space independent consciousness pool, any manifestations in this world > is coming from your own actions (thoughts). For example, you have past life > karma of violence, and in the deep subconsciouss mind this will manifest > into thoughts in your current life. These thoughts will rise up in your > conscious mind and setup the " scenery " for violence. You mind not believe > that thoughts are this powerful, but they are. Be careful what you think > for. > If you tie in the latest quantum mechanics research into this, it fits > completely with the picture. You cannot do an experiment without altering > its result. There is " something " acting outside of our usual senses and our > usual scientific meters that is altering that results. At the quantum > mechanics level, > our current way of thinking breaks down. Things are in two places at the > same time, things go back and forward in time, etc etc. > I believe the next breakthrough in science will be the discovery of this > universal time/space independent subconsciousness mind pool. > All of us are swimming together in bliss there. > > > > Sorry for my bad writing. I really need to take a writing class (stupid of > me to have skipped all those English classes in high school). > > Much love, > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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