Saturday Night Live Deep THoughts

[Guest guest]

Hi you Kundalites...Gueeesssss whaaatttt?

 

Yes, its that time again...Saturday Night Live Deep Thoughts - You can run - you

can hide - but this will still be here forever calling you - read me read me...

(:

 

Different topics tonight...higher selves/soul/kundalini/manifesting/If I were

God/Bodies...(Prepare as I write the typing chakra activates even more)

 

So I've been thinking about how people talk about their " higher selves " and I've

been thinking about Kundalini energy and the relationship between the two.

 

I mean I know we are all one - but you know what I mean...right? (Did someone

say right?)

 

What is a higher self? Do we have one higher self or does that higher self have

a higher self? Do we even have a higher self? What the heck does that even mean?

Does that mean us without our ego or should I say with the ego in the backseat

instead of the drivers seat? If you believe in reincarnation then would you say

the higher self is the soul - the accumulation of all our past lives - if you

don't believe in reincarnation would you say that it is our soul? Is the soul

separate from the higher self? Is the higher self just a part of the soul -

which is much bigger? So many questions...so little time - shoot time is an

illusion - I see you licking your lollipop over there!

 

And then the kundalini...well we have all felt guidance before the kundalini -

so would we say that was our higher self or is the kundalini and our higher

self/soul already merged? I realize this is divinity in the highest form that

our ego can experience here until enlightenment - the path to that - so is your

kundalini and mine kundalini the same although manifesting uniquely for each

individual person? Kundalini as the source of all oneness? The

source/God/divinity? Or would you say the kundalini is each persons direct

connection to God/source? I am actually more confused about what people call

the higher self and the soul? Anyone????

 

What is the soul? Is the soul us without our ego in front? Where is the higher

self in this relationship?

 

Writing this I realize this is going to bring in everyones belief system. I

mean it would be great to hear everyones beliefs just as this is what I believe

and keep it at that allowing us to enrich each other. And having said that I

have a bunch of questions about beliefs...

 

I'm sure you've all noticed how our beliefs mirror our experiences. I know when

they speak of the law of attraction ect and how we attract certain things in our

lives. I think we can probably all say we've had experiences where we've seen

that at play, and experiences that seem to come out of nowhere - ha - meaning

that when they talk about the law of attraction - I perhaps feel - and this may

be a belief that because of my belief it is true for me (oh paradoxical fun) but

that law of attraction for things to say work out for us - seem in my belief to

work out only if its in line with that higher purpose/higher self/the people

upstair/the god of me up there somewhere who by the way forgot to send me my

typed version of all the rules when I jumped in ... perhaps one of you got two?

(:

 

I told you my butterfly story before - how I attracted butterflies - so I see

when I put my attention in an unconditional loving manner and

pray/visualize/daydream/whatever from my heart - not my head - but from my heart

in complete total appreciation without needing to possess it - just in a freeing

manner (in a manner which just for thinking about it its fun - doesn't matter if

it comes or not)- with just the most beautiful unconditional love for whatever

-and without expecting anything in return - just for the joy of it - weird

stuff happens! Butterflies! ha

 

So does that work because I did so unconditionally from my heart - in a freeing

type of manner - and just letting it go forgetting about it - does that manifest

because its in line with my belief system - because it is a belief so it

manifests or because it does for all the same who do that if its in line with

their highest part of themselves or would it happen anyway if it wasn't? Phew

that was a mouthfull!

 

I know now that I do pray differently because of that butterfly incident than I

use to. I pray from the heart - not trying to control as says if its in

their highest good -

 

and its kinda a freeing feeling for me - I mean who wants to be God right? I

thinking of that Jim Carrey movie! although... (; I'd see people fighting and

just send an invisible stick that slipped through their shirt and raised them

high in the air and then like a drive-thru car wash apply soap - and lots of

bubbles in all different colors, a mini scrub brush - then a personal cloud to

wash them off - you know and their anger too - and just for fun one of those hot

air blowers - ( so the people on the ground could see their cheeks flap in the

wind) And then I'd give them a bunch of balloons 'cuz they are still up in the

air and it wouldn't be so nice to just let go- and send them some wind and let

people on the ground watch them holding their balloons float away somewhere nice

I think...How great would it be to look up and see people holding a bunch of

balloons sailing the skies? - Oh come on now - maybe on leap year I could have

the job for one day?

 

Woops blaming that on my typing chakra which seems to have activated...

 

Oh and another thing...You are sitting there reading this somewhere out there in

some body that you have on right? Can we talk about bodies for a minute? Hold on

for a moment before you get your s*xy on (:...Its sorta an odd thing when you

think about it?

 

I mean the you reading this is the you that you were when you were just a little

kid...and at some point the you is going to be in an older body - and honestly

since this kundalini thing started - this all seems so weird to me...I can't

look at a little kid and think they know less than me or an older person and not

think that the they I see is the they at their 5 10 20 30 50 70 or whatever. I

mean I was visiting my Grandpa in the hospital and there he is laying there in

this older body - and its weird that hes in that body when really I keep seeing

him as an adult in his prime or the little kid - when my nephews look up at me

with those eyes and ask me some question and they are thinking I should know all

the answers and I'm really thinking they are already whole and divine and all

that stuff -heck they were closer in time to jumping in here than me - they

remember more than I do - it seems weird, doesnt it? Oh oh - am I the only one

feeling like this? Its like when you are dreaming - there still seems to be this

dream body - but it seems we can do everything we can do here and more - like

fly!

 

When I was a kid I was afraid of dying - but now I sorta see it like more

freedom because I'm guessing there will be some flying going on!

 

Okay resume to getting your s*xy on...(:

 

 

Kundalites...I honestly don't know what happened...I turned this computer on and

thought I had nothing to say ... I was almost empty...imagine that? No worries -

ego jumped right up to the plate!

 

Have a great weekend - don't forget the joy of praying for our k community, for

all members and non - some rain in Texas (: and for a shorter " Saturday Night

Live Deep Thoughts " session next week!

 

You don't actually have to answer - I am just ramblin' but if you want to write

how you were dancing around your house getting your s*xy on - feel free (:

 

Deb

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb – many interesting questions! From my personal experiences and recent

work using hypnosis to look into past lives but more specifically to converse

with those aspects of our being between lives, I believe we are integrated

energy beings existing simultaneously on many planes – much akin to atomic

theory with our physical body being the nucleus and the other aspects of our

existence being the electrons existing at progressively higher energy levels but

all integrated into the whole. Those higher aspects of our existence constitute

the soul or higher self – from my experiences I see them as synonymous though

there is suggestion in some literature that they are not. Being essentially

energy and by way of analogy, we interrelate very much in the same manner as one

sees in metallic bonding i.e. shared electrons forming a cloud between many

atoms. Although we constitute the individual atoms in my analogy we are

enveloped by this electron cloud common to all and collectively we make the

whole if that makes sense. We are obviously in close proximity to some people

and we therefore perceive the energy overlap in a much more pronounced manner in

those instances.

 

In earlier `work' on myself I considered ego driven emotion to be a limiting

factor and saw it as `interfering' with input from my higher self. I attempted

to and succeeded in turning my emotion off completely for some time (my higher

self `assisted' in amkiing this a lesson of note!). During that period I saw

everything in clear terms of `why' and `how' – I understood all happening around

me but from a remote vantage point totally devoid of emotion. During that

period I displayed empathy and compassion because it was logical (everything in

that mode makes sense and pure logic and understanding prevails) but devoid of

the warmth and tenderness that we know and nurture on the physical. After being

so exposed my higher self then pointed out how our lives are enriched by the

inclusion of emotion and associated choice, and that the secret is to combine

human or ego driven emotion in a `pure' form if that makes sense, and as guided

by our higher self. The emotional aspect of my being then returned and I now

try to marry that logic and ego aspect of my being in that `pure' form (still

have a long way to go to be completely there!), but with my existence

considerably enriched by the experience and combined mode going forward. From

my experience the detached approach being sought by many is incomplete and does

not offer that `fullness' of experience of the combined mode. Emotion is an

aspect of our ability to choose, but is also accompanied by the negatives in the

form of fear, anger rage etc. The trick is the management of those emotions and

not turning them off.

 

Reincarnation – there is no doubt about the reality of it in my mind from

personal experiences. The area I am still unclear on is the creation of our

time-limited physical bodies in terms of do we (our higher selves) create them

or are they created by a collective consciousness for the mutual benefit that

all derive during their existence. I suspect the latter. This may well be the

kundalini/higher self link – it would be interesting to have chrism's take on

this score.

 

Why the physical at all? My initial searching using hypnosis to bridge the gap

with the physical suggested that the physical represented the `play station' and

that emotion was like a drug that could only be taken on this plane (if you are

eternal you need some time out to play! lol). That perspective appears to be

limited and I am finding very definitive aspects of emotion on higher planes and

away from the physical, with the physical seemingly the mode to obtain a

concentrated dose of experience with that knowledge and experience then carried

forward into the higher aspects of our being and being added to continuously

both through reincarnation and on higher planes.

 

Our higher selves, we may think, are all knowing and we hence ask the question

as to why have a physical aspect at all, and why subject ourselves to some of

the really hard and ugly experiences we encounter on this plane assuming that we

are here by our own or collective design. It appears that no part of our

existence is totally `there' yet – all is `evolving' for want of a better word.

All is going through a refinement experience. Why? I am still trying to figure

that one out – again maybe chrism might want to shed light on that one.

 

Our current beliefs do mirror our experiences as that is the way we are

programmed in this life. The trick is to see beyond that programming or the

`conditioning'. At the risk of being boring it comes back to those questions of

who and what you are – they are the keys with the answers to which then shed

light on the current limitations.

 

Re aging – that is a limited aspect of our physical. Once you can see who we

really are age in the physical becomes immaterial. Blessings - Jonathan

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jonathan, what amazing information, and Deb for posing the

questions...

 

Here I am thinking that I'm going to step away from the computer so I can pack

up and such, nope- here I am... finding the answers to some of my big question

marks which have been growing like weeds lately. Thank you for this sharing, for

weeding out my overgrown garden while I was sleeping, for the reminder that

sunflowers follow the path of the sun, (what I've come to know and realize is

that if you shine light on a sunflower when it expects it to be night, as

determined by its internal clock, it won't be fooled into turning on its

photosynthetic machinery), and especially for planting new seeds for deep

thought.

-Danielle

 

, " jonrow_2914 "

<jrowland wrote:

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> Hi Deb – many interesting questions! From my personal experiences...

Blessings - Jonathan

>

[Guest guest]

Jonathan,

 

Coming back at you soon...wow what a great answer!

Want to talk - awesome to open this!

Deb (:

 

, " jonrow_2914 "

<jrowland wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jonathan,

Okay this is really interesting stuff to me! So many questions so little time!

(: How did you use hypnosis on yourself? I love what you experienced - only had

one of my own and I kept asking before I went to sleep for a past life but lived

through the death of a young girl that drowned. Was not so pleasant actually.

Well as the saying goes, Better Watch What you Ask for! Next time I'll ask for a

pleasant experience I think but more importantly I like what you got - not just

an experience but so much more! Would love to hear how you did that if you ever

feel like talking about it!

 

Anyway your analogy of the energy beings existing of many planes reminds me of

these books I read awhile back...The Seth Books by Jane Roberts. I must say I

don't usually read that sort of stuff but a friend gave me one book and then I

was hooked. So this reminds me much of that! Quite fascinating and reminds me

that we are so much more than we realize! So thank you for your electron analogy

- and the " emotion " lesson. So interesting coming from someone that can cry at a

good commercial - I wonder how to turn that down sometimes! (:

 

Your higher self explaining? the ego and emotion to you was that in hypnosis?

You said the secret revealed to you by your higher self is to use the emotion in

a pure form as if directed by the higher self...I wonder if that would be like

when we feel love without wanting anything in return or any form of

expectations. I'm trying to think of more examples. Feeling sadness from a

higher perspective as in your discussion of compassion and empathy? I do notice

when this more ego driven (i want this or that as applied to emotion) emotion is

not there - when I'm feeling really from that place of unconditional love the

kundalini really moves through the body - wonder if that is why - the goosebumps

ect - So Interesting...

 

When you say the detached approach did not offer that fullness of experience -

this is giving me much to ponder ... sometimes it does feel like emotion gets a

bad rap...I mean sometimes it can be too much, but I like the way you put it

here and I think a life without it would be very dull - but the obvious also of

not letting it get the best of you - (very much enjoying this conversation!)

 

You wrote...

 

> Reincarnation – there is no doubt about the reality of it in my mind from

personal experiences. The area I am still unclear on is the creation of our

time-limited physical bodies in terms of do we (our higher selves) create them

or are they created by a collective consciousness for the mutual benefit that

all derive during their existence. I suspect the latter. This may well be the

kundalini/higher self link – it would be interesting to have chrism's take on

this score.

>

 

I'm (deb) back (:

Are you speaking of our actual bodies - what they will look like ect or are you

speaking of the decision to jump back in and where/what time period? I have a

friend that remembered the time between lives and he remembers looking so to

speak at all the choices he could choose for parents...Really cool isn't that?

 

You wrote...

> Why the physical at all?

 

Debs back...I often wonder why in the world would we choose to come here - not

that its not beautiful and I even understand the forgetting thing...but it feels

so limited to be in a body and world that can also be so difficult. I wish I

understood why we cannot just learn from play and joy and fun...I mean we can

have that too here but lets face it theres a lot of hardships. I know everyone

says its to learn - but can't learning go on in a joyful beautiful enviornment?

Did you happen to see any of those in your travels? (:

(You see I'm looking for directions just in case I jump back on the wheel -

hoping to land on that happy rock!) ha

 

You wrote...

> Our higher selves, we may think, are all knowing and we hence ask the question

as to why have a physical aspect at all, and why subject ourselves to some of

the really hard and ugly experiences we encounter on this plane assuming that we

are here by our own or collective design. It appears that no part of our

existence is totally `there' yet – all is `evolving' for want of a better word.

All is going through a refinement experience. Why? I am still trying to figure

that one out – again maybe chrism might want to shed light on that one.

 

Debs back...I see we've wondered the same things...I would assume we are always

growing in some way but again I'm all for evolving - just would be great to try

to learn in the joyful enviornment - (:

Interesting yes why?

>

You wrote...

> Our current beliefs do mirror our experiences as that is the way we are

programmed in this life. The trick is to see beyond that programming or the

`conditioning'. At the risk of being boring it comes back to those questions of

who and what you are – they are the keys with the answers to which then shed

light on the current limitations.

 

Debs back - so my friend...Who are you? What are you? Actually this is not a

joke - did you get to that place???? Or what do you think?

I think we are consciousness growing, expanding - love - creating - or are we

already complete just living lives for the actual experience of it? And I like

that thought of being an unlimited being - all potential possible - feels like

freedom - yet if we're so unlimited why so much strife here? (: Because we don't

KNOW WHO WE ARE - well what would happen if we did? If we all did? What would

this world look like?

 

You wrote...

> – that is a limited aspect of our physical. Once you can see who we really

are age in the physical becomes immaterial.

 

Debs back ...I understand that it become immaterial - I suppose I don't get the

why part of age as far as coming here - I mean I suppose to be helpless

vulnerable as babies and children or elderly will create certain experiences

that otherwise would not be had - I suppose it would be strange to pop out a 30

year old - ha

Perhaps its to wake up because you realize your body was a little child but you

are you - your body was a teenager or on and you are you...but don't you think

we would know the I that we are remains ?

So I guess its about the experience ...

 

You have given me much to ponder and I'm grateful. I find your experiences

fascinating - would love to hear more and know more about how you experienced

this - did you meditate - did someone help bring you in deep in hypnosis or did

you remain aware and alert enough - I mean sometimes I am shown something and

sometimes I can ask and have an experience but this is really just great! So do

tell when you feel like it!

 

Really enjoyed your post!!! Thank you so much for replying! Its been a great

read for me! Much fun!!

 

Much love to you and thank you for taking the time here to go through all this!

Fascinating!!

Deb (: (: (:

 

 

Blessings - Jonathan

>

[Guest guest]

I was just wondering last week about this higher self thing after the

conversation with Purple and her merging experience. It was something I wanted

to reply to but didn't have time before taking off for the weekend. The way she

worded her response, it seemed to me she sees there a is a difference in merging

and s*x and I see them as one and the same. I have not experienced astral s*x so

who am I to judge, but to me physical s*x means a merging with the one you

love, becoming as one at least for a few moments. Hehe!

 

And she said after this merging experience she became one with her higher self

and grew wings. Some see the higher self as their guardian angel or there other

half. Purple experienced her higher self as female so it could not have been her

twin soul self would it?. Since she is female her other half would have been

male for it to be her twin soul self, I think, anyways. I really just don't know

how all of that works.

 

I have had this male being appear to me several time throughout my life, but he

always appears before me with his face blurted out. I read somewhere that is you

twim soul that appears that way. I do not know what it is with not allowing

their face to me seen. Does any one know the anwer to that?

 

Once in an OBE, I was comforting this little girl, who I think was one of my

best school friend's daughter.(She could see me as if I was physical.) She was

being punished and she felt unjustly so, just because she was the older child,

she could not control what her two younger brothers did. After a little while of

holding her and sending her loving calm thoughts, I began feeling my physical

body pulling me back and I told her I had to go and went to the door quickly and

close it behind me and began rising up through the ceiling. She followed me and

open the door and saw me go up. Seeing me go through the ceiling like that she

thought I was an angel. Hehe! I smile and waved bye and continue going because I

had no control at that point. Things seen, are not always what it seems.

 

In a couple of later OBEs after that one, I saw myself in the mirror while in

the astral and was shocked back into the physical. I did look very beautiful,

about age 30, with an angelic like appearance. LOL! Do all our astral bodies

appear as angelic like that? I think I must have been in a higher astral realm

when that occurred, because other times I and other people seems just as they

are in the physical. This is more the RTZ of the astral realm, where things

seem and look about the same as they do in the physical, except you can do

things like fly and levitate and change things to your on liking if you don't

care for what is taking place. LOL!

 

So the question I have, is my higher self this blurted face male character or is

it the beautiful angelic female character me. And I also am wondering, is it the

opposite for those who are male in this lifetime? Or is the higher self

something totally different than all that?

 

In Peter Novaks books, he believes that in the beginning the spirit(male) and

the soul (female) were as one, both balanced equally and not seen as two

separate beings. It is Adam (spirit) that looked upon the other animals in

creation and began feeling alone because he did not have a separate female

helpmate as the other animals did, so the Creator separated Eve(soul)to become

unconious from Adam (spirit)conscious as Adams requested.

So it was not Eve's fault for the unbalance that took place, but Adam's. Hehe!

(The eating of the apple took place later when through Eve the subconscious was

formed.) From that time on there was a veil created by the conscious spirit that

separated soul from spirit. Spirit being dominant, could send data to soul, but

soul could not send back to spirit being unconscious and the weaker of the two.

Eventual the subcounsious was formed, a mediator of sorts between the two. Would

this subcounious be the higher self? These pockets of soul materials (lifetimes)

is where data and memory are stored. Upon on death of the person the spirit

returns to the God source and the pockets of soul material would dry up and sink

into the pit (hell) of the primordial soul after loosing all contact with

spirit. After many lifetimes of these soul pockets falling into the pit of the

primordial soul, the soul part increases and the spirit part decreases and the

veil become thinner, until the soul pockets break through spirit's thinning veil

and judgement day occurs and all the soul pockets exits in a burst of power and

light.

That sort of sounds like kundalini awakening there doesn't it? I don't think

that is what Peter Novak meant there, though.

 

I don't remember if he talks about the ego, shadow and all the other parts of

selves that we have created. It has been several years since I read that book,

so I am not for sure.

 

Jonathan asked, " Why the physical at all? "

 

I have often wondered about that,too. It does seem most of the time we are

spiritual beings trying hard to get back to that original state and we are here

all because of some supposely mistake that took place. Maybe that is not so.

Maybe it isn't a big mistake at all, but that we are all trying to create a

physical body that does not die. Evidently, a physical body that can be put on

or taken off at will as Robert Monroe wrote in his last book and he says we do

make it. The bible says we make it as well. Jesus said the last enemy to be

conquered is death and so far he is the only one who has ascomplished that, but

maybe not, maybe he was the first one and others have managed to do that since.

Surely the apostles were able to join their soul and spirit back as one

completely before their physical death. You would think so, anyways.

 

Anyways, that is some of my thoughts and Peter Novak's thoughts on this

Saturday's Deep Thought topic.

 

I guess my typing fingers got activated too. That is a lot of long ramblings and

it might not make much sense.

 

Linda

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

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> Hi you Kundalites...Gueeesssss whaaatttt?

>

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Linda,

 

So many thought provoking things here! I've wondered about this twin thing

myself. I mean if you go to youtube people have so many videos of your twinflame

ect that it always made me wonder?

 

Would love to hear what anyone thought or experiences they had with this. I know

guys that have had a woman come to them a beautiful woman - Is that Shakti, Is

that the way the divine expresses itself unto them? I don't know. I loved

Purples merging experience too and the wings!

 

Perhaps more will come out and share! Come out come out! And I didn't know

Robert Monroe wrote about that, makes me want to read that book too - shoot I'm

getting quite a list - seems I need time in Purples Forest! (:

 

Thank you Linda - Loving your Ramblings - Keep 'em coming girl!

 

Much love and throwing a chi ball at you too!

Deb

 

 

 

, " Linda " <crazycats711

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[Guest guest]

Hi Deb – answers to your questions – I hope they will help!

 

Re hypnosis – I am not hypnotizing myself but another on this path and one who

is very sensitive. That affords me the opportunity to ask all those questions

to answers I am looking for while in my conscious state. Initially I focused on

looking at past lives but found that was limiting – working on or rather with

that other non-physical aspect of our being is incredible, and I have found that

there is an amazing receptivity and willing to teach us from that plane. There

are many instances when the knowledge given is given by way of analogies to

simplify things due to our limitations on this plane, with the full scope often

indicated as beyond our comprehension in our present state. There is no doubt

in my mind that through this process we are bridging planes of existence and are

being taught by our higher selves. There are instances when information is not

given as we are either not ready for it, could not comprehend the answers, or

still need to go through the learning experience on the physical, and where that

pre-knowledge would affect or influence our decisions in the physical in

advance. Of late the communication with the hypnotized person has occasionally

been on a telepathic level which is also intriguing. I then look for and often

find further understanding of the knowledge so shared or given in my meditation.

 

The feedback re energy planes or levels coincides with my own experiences or

input of which some is while meditating.

 

On emotion I originally had the preconceived notion that the non-physical

aspects of our being would be above emotion as I viewed emotion as a

physical-related phenomenon and solely related to ego. It would appear that

emotion and related experience is carried forward so to speak into our

non-physical or energy bodies. I guess that makes sense as why should

experiences on the physical that are driven by emotion not be `assimilated' or

incorporated into our whole? Again from my limited exposure to date emotion on

higher planes appears to be `refined' into empathy, compassion and love.

 

The detached experience – I was convinced it was a solution and so sought after

it, `achieved' it and was then pulled back into more complete focus by my higher

self having been `allowed' the experience by way of a lesson – an invaluable one

at that.

 

On the reincarnation the aspect I am unclear on is who creates the physical and

how. Input since my prior post strongly suggests that the collective related

energy beings (all of our higher selves) create the physical. Re the process

(and I'm not talking about the birds and the bees here) the feedback I have

received so far is to the effect that I am trying to read the end of the book

first to see how it ends and thus to get my act into gear and be patient and

start at the beginning! lol

 

Why the physical at all? Not 100% clear there, but I feel that the `richness'

we can experience through our physical aspect is extreme, with some of us making

heavy weather of it and learning slowly, with others at the other end of the

spectrum moving at high speed relatively speaking (ignoring that speed is a

physical phenomenon!). I am in the `heavy weather' category but life just gets

better with even the rough lessons being seen and understood in a very different

and positive light from years gone by – hard to explain.

 

>Debs back - so my friend...Who are you? What are you?

I am absolute just like everyone else. I agree with you that we are

consciousness expanding and growing but on many levels simultaneously. We are

limited only by our conscious minds. The strife and ugliness here is part of

the experience and the ongoing refinement through learning. That ugliness is

created by us on the physical and in the absence of complete understanding.

Regrettably the ego-driven mind imposes so many limitations and introduces so

many complications into our lives – often linked to pain – either emotional or

physical. All too often we strive for some things that are really not worth

striving for as they do not bring true contentment, and in that quest we do much

damage. The flipside of that coin is that we learn from those experiences and

have the potential to better ourselves if we can separate the nasty side of our

emotion from reality – the unconditional love part of us. Those experiences

also show us what really is worth searching for!

 

>Debs back ...I understand that it become immaterial - I suppose I don't get the

why part of age as far as coming here.

 

It's all about learning. Time here in your body as Debs is but a flash. The

full and complete you sees the Debs part as a very small chapter in a very big

book if that makes sense. As you say it's about the progressive learning

experience, with emphasis on the progressive aspect.

 

All of the experiences of those on this forum are fascinating – as chrism so

often says we are all travelers on the same road – some of us just keep getting

lost in the cul-de-sacs which is often where I end up! Many of my approaches

are `wrong' in the sense that they are driven, I feel partially from desire –

often a case of the intention being good but the method wrong. I seem to be in

a place where my higher self `teaches' me through letting me get enough of what

I maybe incorrectly seek and then shows me or tells me after the event where I

went wrong! Sounds weird but it is in many instances an effective way to learn

even if I didn't appreciate the mechanism at the time!

 

I hope maybe some of that made sense! Blessings - Jonathan