Karma - Mike

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Hi Mike,

 

yep, that would be a good summary of my convoluted answer.. haha...

 

yes..my karma is my guide.. by understanding and working with what is arising,

both within me and in relation to that which is outside of my body, I can

transform it..

 

 

and how karma arises?.. past lives? childhood conditioning? spirit showing us

our soul so we can see it and transcend it? a reified ego being manifested? all

open questions which I dont know if there is any answer to..

 

love

Bruce

 

 

, JiNN <jinnproduction

wrote:

>

> Hi Bruce.

>

> So your karma is something of a guide to you?

>

> Much love,

> Mike

>

> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:43 AM, bruce_oom <bruce_oom wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Mike,

> >

> > yep, an interesting discussion. For me, the simplest way I look at things

> > is that my results mirror my deepest truth. When my truth is unconscious (ie

> > repressed, or whats going on inside me is not congruent with my ego idea of

> > myself and I have lots of shadow) then I get results that confuse me or I

> > dont like. Karma is the manifestation of the deepest truth. When muy deepest

> > truth is conscious, ie I have worked with and purified much shadow, and I am

> > conscioulsy aligned with the vision of my higher self, or the vision of my

> > deepest truth, then my results start to express that. So, if was to define

> > karma, it would be the results I get from (action + intentionality). The

> > more conscious I am of my true intentions, the more I get the results I

> > want.

> >

> > I suspect Spirit plays a co-creative role in setting up situations for me

> > to see my mirror.. (haha. thanks God )

> >

> > love

> > Bruce

> >

> >

> > --- In

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> > JiNN <jinnproduction@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi everyone.

> > >

> > > I would like to open a discussion as to what karma is and what karma

> > > means to different people.

> > >

> > > I read different articles/text about karma but one of the texts, I cannot

> > > remember where i read it from or who wrote it, really made me think about

> > > it.

> > > The text really made " sense " (not in an analytical linear sense, but a

> > > spirital sense) to me.

> > >

> > > So here is my interpretation of that text plus my further

> > > conclusions/opinions (??? not sure if thats the right word) based upon

> > it:

> > >

> > > Karma is not what you do good or what you do bad. Karma is how you label

> > > experiences that happen to you. There are no good or bad experiences

> > > in life, it is only how you label the experience that creates Karma. In

> > > other words karma is some way related to your habit. If you start

> > labeling

> > > more and more experiences as " bad " you will have more and more bad karma.

> > If

> > > you start labeling more and more experiences as " good "

> > > you will have more and more bad karma. So if karma passes through

> > > reincarnations, it also means that part of our habits pass through

> > > reincarnations.

> > > That, in turn, means that some part of our habits are part of our

> > > soul/spirit (what ever name you give it).

> > > In Vipassana meditation, (the meditation that Buddha probably used during

> > > his time), you watch your thoughts rise up from the subconscious mind.

> > The

> > > more your practice this type of meditation the deeper your can " see " into

> > > your subconscious mind, and the quicker you can see thoughts coming up.

> > The

> > > more deeper you can see in your subconsciousness the more of your

> > previous

> > > lifes and their karmas (habits) you can see.

> > > The buddhist tell you what " Any action creates karma " and also, as much

> > as

> > > you can be bound to the ground with iron chains, as in the case of bad

> > > karma, you can also to bound to the ground with golden chains, as in the

> > > case of good karma. The only way out of the circle of samsara (karma), is

> > > through no action or in other words not labeling any experiences (i mean

> > > physical/mental/spiritual/etc experiences). Through this detachment, you

> > do

> > > not create any karma.

> > > I truly believe that our subconsciousness has our seed of spirit deep

> > > inside. This subconsciousness, even though it communicates with our

> > physical

> > > mind, is time/space independent and resides everywhere and in all " time " .

> > At

> > > this level we (not just conscious beings, but every grain of sand and

> > every

> > > molecule) are all one. Since every single " thing "

> > (atoms/people/planets/etc)

> > > has a consciousness, and all consciousness is together at the global

> > > time/space independent consciousness pool, any manifestations in this

> > world

> > > is coming from your own actions (thoughts). For example, you have past

> > life

> > > karma of violence, and in the deep subconsciouss mind this will manifest

> > > into thoughts in your current life. These thoughts will rise up in your

> > > conscious mind and setup the " scenery " for violence. You mind not believe

> > > that thoughts are this powerful, but they are. Be careful what you think

> > > for.

> > > If you tie in the latest quantum mechanics research into this, it fits

> > > completely with the picture. You cannot do an experiment without altering

> > > its result. There is " something " acting outside of our usual senses and

> > our

> > > usual scientific meters that is altering that results. At the quantum

> > > mechanics level,

> > > our current way of thinking breaks down. Things are in two places at the

> > > same time, things go back and forward in time, etc etc.

> > > I believe the next breakthrough in science will be the discovery of this

> > > universal time/space independent subconsciousness mind pool.

> > > All of us are swimming together in bliss there.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry for my bad writing. I really need to take a writing class (stupid

> > of

> > > me to have skipped all those English classes in high school).

> > >

> > > Much love,

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >