Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Greetings  It might be that I sound a bit presumptuous in stating the following but I feel compelled to share some thoughts. A small group of us had the delight and honor to meet with here in Los Angeles (Bushwillows) to receive a shakipat.  Most of us know the magnitude of this gift only in theory, only a minute morsel and our imagination know it is so much more, more about opportunity, about abundance, about transformation, about becoming radiant light beings, luminous spirits sheathed in skin, exercising choice to move deeper into our hearts with a greater consistency, with a relentless intent to expand, to cultivate our awareness and to become a denizens of our authentic selves.  This contact is about inviting this community, to give thought to participating more deeply, more lovingly, with a greater sense of propagating the gift each of us has and is pursuing. Of sinking into the oneness, of the knowingness of this heart fabric being stitched with the flesh of each one of our hearts into a fabric that stretches across boundaries and continents.  We spoke briefly at this meet as to how we might fashion this community in a way that could financially support and sustain the system that’s being build by each of you. has recently brought into existence a 501 c 3 non profit company to facilitate the growth of this group. He is reluctant and hesitant to step in this direction but there are those of us that see it as a necessity, perhaps more as an obligation, which is about taking responsibility to our own growth and equally to our world.  This act (non profit creation) is fueled by the burning desire (no pun intended) to make available and to disseminate this birth-rite, (gift of kundalini). How could one hold in his hand the knowledge of such a profound gift and not want to share it with each of us, with his world. Love takes no acts to discriminate, to judge as to size, shape, texture or color or the heart it rushes toward.   There is much work and costs involved hidden beneath the countless efforts that come forth on the page or those acts that belie the effort of creating and delivering a workshop. Perhaps some suggestion as to what would feel comfortable to be a member of the group (small monthly fee or annual fee) with of course the caveat that no one would-be turned away for a lack of funds. Perhaps a quarterly fee when shakipat is being given. A priceless gift. Perhaps a donation request on line when inspired we could give. Maybe a contest between regions. Maybe a very defined plan, a campaign (fund raiser) to generate a certain amount of money to cover expenses, traveling, printing, advertising, phone, venue costs and of course something to compensate that would never be commensurate with the wisdom and talent he so freely shares, something that could enhance his ability to devote more time to cultivating our community, As though he isn’t giving his all now. Some tentative suggestions.  Your response and feedback is critically important, it is as I see it, about a personal investment, building a bank account that can do nothing but generate dividends, in knowing that the incremental growth we experience enhances our ability to give and be more instrumental in facilitating change. Interruption often creates a fork in the road one leading to complacently which becomes the first step toward cessation then to entropy. We are all inexorability linked, part of that heart fabric imbued with an energy of bringing change, of growing awareness, of discovering love.  Each of you is a beautiful gift, with interesting opinions which are all needed. There is no voice so small that it does not have the ability to capture an ear or the ears of the masses. Knowing each thought it an act you chisel upon the world, let’s create more momentum, make stretch marks and bigger hearts. Are we not all here to be powerful beacons rather than candle lights, here to be the expansive beings we are and area becoming, exemplars and trailblazers brimming with love.  Love Out................................................LOUD burgeoningheart                            Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Tony, Love how you write - okay I already mentioned that! (: Yes lets talk about this. Let me ask you first about the 501c 3? This is the non for profit, does this mean when people hit the " donate " button on the home page their payment will show up as going to a nonprofit organization? Or is that not set up there like this? First could you talk about what that would mean? I know if you give someone $600 or above per/year(thats what it use to be I believe) we as U.S. citizens are suppose to send 1099's. (not that I'm saying anyone reading this should send that amt or another - just want to put this out for people so they understand) So if its a not for profit then we wouldn't have to do that!! So if we hit the donate button now - is that the non-for-profit place and would that then mean that people in the U.S. (don't know about abroad) would also be able to write that off their taxes? Or at least not worry about the 1099? Does anyone know what exactly that means as far as donations are concerned? I would also think that abroad there is benefit to it being a non-for-profit... I know even 500 people donating just $10 month would be $60,000 per/year. Of course there are 800 people now, which would be much better allowing for more travel ect. But I don't know how many really could or would but even $20 per/month for 250 people would accomplish the same task. I know everyone is in different situations - even $5 per/month would all 800 members would be great with the option to put in $10 or whatever... And $5 per/month would only be $60 for the year - for free shaktipats and guidance, seems a very small amount to me, I think almost everyone could come up with something? But I also don't want to lose anyone out there reading so perhaps it could be an option and then when they see what really is involved they will probably want to continue learning and growing and when they are able to will. I realize also that many people going through this may not be in a position - but once they are then perhaps they will? Don't know, this is always sticky topic but perhaps we could hear from some of the members here? Even a suggested monthly amount if possible would be an option on the page to remind?? I don't know - but don't anyone leave - we're just talking - it does cost money to keep this up every month and all the other costs... so lets figure this out - I mean $10 per/month would make a huge difference!!! Huge!!! Even $1 or $5 it would be such a HUGE difference! So come on lets see how you all are feeling out there - just don't want to lose any members - 'cuz I know you are just wanting to keep this going - theres Much More going on here than most realize...you know divinity - without this site I don't know what we'd all do or would have done or will do during some times? Okay think of money as air - as abundant and lets see what everyone thinks! Many thanks for bringing this up - we should not let it slide but see what can be done! Much love, Deb , Tony Camacho <burgeoningheart wrote: > Your response and feedback is critically important, it is as I see i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I am all for it, but maybe not set a manditory amount required. Just keep it on a what a person can afford basis. Biblically speaking, one should give at least 10% of their income to their spiritual teacher, but in christian churches no one is left out if they do not give their share for what ever reason. Learning to be a cheerful giver is more important and of more benefit to all concerned, rather than forcing the giving of a certian amount. That is the way I see it. And in the long run I would think you would recieve more by not setting a manditory amount...just let the people give out of the goodness and abundance of their hearts. We are a people of big expanded hearts here, right? Remember, no one ever, ever gets to out give the God source. What you give is always given back to you in a good measure, press down and shaken together...not always in money(although it could be), but in gifts that are even better than money, precious gifts, like health and love and having your life go smoothly with less and less problems popping up. That is how the law of abundance works, not just for christains, but for all people. When you are lacking in anything, the best thing you can do for youself is to find some way to do service for another out of love, cheerfully. Also, from my understanding running a non-profit takes up a lot of time with all the paper work and records that has to be filled out every month. Who will be doing all that paper work? It will be like a full time job for this person. I would not want for chrism to be tied down to doing all that, he would have even less time to answer all those e-mails, phone calls, and posts everyday, as well as all the other things he does for us all. If it is non-profit, then chrism does not have to pay taxes on the money that is donated, right? That would be a big advantage of having it non-profit, rather than just sending him money that would require taxes to be paid on it. Or is donated money counted like a gift and not require taxes being paid? I do not know how that works. I give my thumbs up for this however/whatever is decided. As many as we are, we should be able to do this easy-peasy. Love & blessings, Linda , " flowerpowers7777 " <flowerpowers7777 wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > Love how you write - okay I already mentioned that! (: > > Yes lets talk about this. Let me ask you first about the 501c 3? > This is the non for profit, does this mean when people hit the " donate " button on the home page their payment will show up as going to a nonprofit organization? Or is that not set up there like this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Good to see this conversation, I have been wondering how the site and its work will be managed with growth and numbers. I think should give input ....and the Non-Profit needs to be looked at. It means admin work. Richard. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network Linda <crazycats711 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:25:10 Re: expansion,growth invite I am all for it, but maybe not set a manditory amount required. Just keep it on a what a person can afford basis. Biblically speaking, one should give at least 10% of their income to their spiritual teacher, but in christian churches no one is left out if they do not give their share for what ever reason. Learning to be a cheerful giver is more important and of more benefit to all concerned, rather than forcing the giving of a certian amount. That is the way I see it. And in the long run I would think you would recieve more by not setting a manditory amount...just let the people give out of the goodness and abundance of their hearts. We are a people of big expanded hearts here, right? Remember, no one ever, ever gets to out give the God source. What you give is always given back to you in a good measure, press down and shaken together...not always in money(although it could be), but in gifts that are even better than money, precious gifts, like health and love and having your life go smoothly with less and less problems popping up. That is how the law of abundance works, not just for christains, but for all people. When you are lacking in anything, the best thing you can do for youself is to find some way to do service for another out of love, cheerfully. Also, from my understanding running a non-profit takes up a lot of time with all the paper work and records that has to be filled out every month. Who will be doing all that paper work? It will be like a full time job for this person. I would not want for chrism to be tied down to doing all that, he would have even less time to answer all those e-mails, phone calls, and posts everyday, as well as all the other things he does for us all. If it is non-profit, then chrism does not have to pay taxes on the money that is donated, right? That would be a big advantage of having it non-profit, rather than just sending him money that would require taxes to be paid on it. Or is donated money counted like a gift and not require taxes being paid? I do not know how that works. I give my thumbs up for this however/whatever is decided. As many as we are, we should be able to do this easy-peasy. Love & blessings, Linda Kundalini-Awakening <%40> -Systems-1 , " flowerpowers7777 " <flowerpowers7777 wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > Love how you write - okay I already mentioned that! (: > > Yes lets talk about this. Let me ask you first about the 501c 3? > This is the non for profit, does this mean when people hit the " donate " button on the home page their payment will show up as going to a nonprofit organization? Or is that not set up there like this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Tony - thank you for sharing your thoughts on the importance of supporting chrism and the program. I too have thought of a monthly donation from those who could do so without harm to themselves. We have a large membership but many may not be able to donate but there surely are a number who can and it would offer a regular amount to deal with and then others could send when they can. The non profit will allow for tax exempt when finalized for U.S. folks. I have always been one to pay for services even those offered for free so this is not a stretch for me - I like the idea of brainstorming to come up with ideas on how to make supporting chrism and the program a reality. We can come up with many ideas but it will take someone or someones to iron it all out and make it happen. Anyway I can help I am here ready and willing... You are an eloquent writer - who pens from his heart. I am very happy to know you and work with you on promoting the KAS program. Blessings to you... e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Sparrow, Actually I was just answering the post as you did, thinking out loud as my typing chakra activates! ha ... I appreciate it Tony though as I know it comes from wanting to help - and I too wish this would all be easier - don't know, it is strange isn't it - this money thing? I'm thinking of jobs that pay millions - like actors, sports, fame, and I'm thinking of regular everyday people every day going somewhere to work doing something they may not love in order to feed their children and do their best working working working to barely survive - it seems so strange doesn't it? So many beliefs around this too - beliefs of being spiritual is being poor - being rich is bad - being rich is good - being spiritual is being rich - for every way to look at it there is the opposite - ahhh...back at duality! Wait my light just blinked...did I pay the electric bill? ha Thank you Sparrow for expressing your feelings...I do not know either, I have easier time talking about underclothes - haha whats that say? And Thank you Tony because I know you are probably just bringing an issue such as this website ect in the light and in your pure heart want to help. I wish the answer will come and as for Society; I wonder if in thousands of years things will be so different that when they look back at this time will they wonder...just what in the world were those people thinking!?! Much love all - don't we have a financial wizard on this group somewhere? hahaha Deb (: , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 What about " buy some karma... suggested donation $29,99 " [?] I recently addressed this issue recently too. I give all my classes as a donation basis, but I also have a supportive partner who works a 9-7 job - so I'm very lucky that my basic needs are met. My partner told me that I MUST be more prominent with the donation button. I feel absolutely horrified of the idea, but its unfair to make him shoulder all of the bills. Let's work with the law of attraction for a while too - shall we? Think wealth - be wealth. If God/Godess is willing. I looked up a few google searches about how to 'ask' for money - I read and used this article's advice<http://www.fundraising123.org/article/how-ask-donations-your-website> .. and I wrote this<http://dragonflies-draw-flame.blogspot.com/2009/07/your-contribution.html>- as a response - and perhaps its something like this can write himself - Every new member of the group get's the e mail - and it can be sent every three months or so as a reminder for those of us that can afford it. Also - people ask - how much? My response is - how does $1 sound? They say, no, that's too little. So I say, how about $100 for a yoga class? And they say, but that's too much. So, I say, then, work with the numbers, up and down, until you find a number that works for you - and give it. Thank you. With love and embracing the wealth of the universe. 2009/7/20 Tony Camacho <burgeoningheart > > > > > Greetings > > It might be that I sound a bit presumptuous in stating the following but I > feel compelled to share some thoughts. A small group of us had the delight > and honor to meet with here in Los Angeles (Bushwillows) to receive a > shakipat. > > > > > -- Tiffany Jones Patheya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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