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[Guest guest]

Hello,

Thank you for approaching this subject with the tender care that it

deserves. Times are tough for many and the subject of finances can be difficult.

 

Much of what I do comes from my experience. There was just no place to go for

information! Having worked in various medical positions I knew not to go there

but knowing where " not " to go wasn't the only knowledge that I needed. I needed

to know what was happening! What it was and why it was, and how, and what to do,

and why and how to do. So I searched and searched and in my silent privacy with

Kundalini I made every mistake one could make. lol! Fear, lust, ego, anger,

revenge, depression, and greed for power the list goes on and on.

 

These knowledge needs were never really ever met by anyone not even Gopi Krishna

though he gave me a word and a place to start researching it. Then we come into

Sanskrit and religions and on and on. No mention of entities or that whole

universe! Even these long dead masters didn't have the experiences I was having

bless their holy souls.

 

So I became determined to fill this void.

 

Everything that I had experienced would go to help others have or remain safe

with in what they were already experiencing and the Shakti Kundalini just poured

it on and was and is in complete agreement with this.

 

Yes I do have a mandate from the Kundalini to give and teach it to others or it

wouldn't be as effective as it is. Yes it is grace giving of itself through

corporeal flesh to other bastions of grace in corporeal flesh.

 

I remember not being able to afford much if anything that dealt with Kundalini.

Seminars were WAY too expensive 500 to a 1000 or more. So I determined that mine

would not be. Some " teachers " were selling packages that included Shaktipat and

other materials such as books and CDs (by that time) but I wasn't in a position

to partake so I didn't.

 

I decided that no one would ever be turned away from these teachings due to a

lack of funds. So this group was started. Then the beautiful and kind souls that

came here pitched in and we were able to create the

http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com

website. Glen Olah volunteered his skills as a web designer and webmaster and to

this day gives of his time and service of love for those who have never even met

him! His love has helped so many!

 

At the same time I was working and doing at least one seminar a year and losing

money with each one. Not charging enough to cover expenses. I went into debt and

I am still there. Even with this last 2 day seminar. So I am told I need to

charge more and so for me to do them I will have to charge more but even so I do

this reluctantly.

 

Tony is correct.

 

These specific Kundalini teachings require a teacher. The teacher requires a

computer and a phone line and electricity and the freedom of time to help answer

questions and assist in the myriad ways that come into expression. The seminars

as well cost money. The site, the transportation, the materials.

 

Even the free Shaktipat that is given here on the group and the free information

that is given privately and through this and other groups isn't free.

 

My landlord came to me today and asked how I expected to just live off of

teaching the Kundalini. " Will it put a roof over your head and food on your

table? " she asked. She has been very kind and very considerate and understanding

but she wanted an answer.

 

I told her that wasn't the point of the teaching. She is a gracious person and

didn't hold me to an answer. So it is left dangling.... But I feel she has a

point. I can get work and sacrifice any time for teaching. Or a way can be found

for the teaching to be moderately self sustaining and I am opting for that.

 

Kundalini is a huge subject. Its effects upon just the physical body are an

enormous subject. And then there is the need to find your way through the truths

and half truths that permeate the Kundalini landscape now as people attempt to

cash in on the Kundalini phenomena. It can become a bit muddy in how to discern

truth from fiction. Authenticity from fraud.

 

Kundalini can get a person into trouble in the western world. Just the excessive

lust can get a person into some difficult situations.

 

No matter what occurs I will keep doing this as long as I can. And this group

will remain as long as allows it to remain. Even after is sold it is

my hopes that these archives survive.

 

The website helps many and hopefully will continue to do so.

 

If a person is able to give a continuous or a one time donation towards the

furtherance of these teachings and outreach of this material this donation

whatever the amount is most graciously appreciated. It really is. If a person is

unable or unwilling to donate they can still receive all of the loving care and

instruction and information that are offered here. No strings attached.

 

As far as the evangelization of Kundalini sparrow. - lol! Most people see

Kundalini as being nothing more than another noodle variety. So no worries

there! Yes there is a definite drive especially for the newly awakened to bring

this information out into the public but even then only those who are open to it

really receive the call.

 

Its understanding within the populations would go far for our society but even

then people would do as they need to do and Karma will have its way. Look at

what Kundalini Yoga has done with even introducing the word to so many! It has

expanded the western mindset to perhaps be able to receive (for some few) the

blessings of the Kundalini.

 

You won't find me levitating on a street corner blasting everyone with warnings

of kriyas and tongue locks and watermelons! So no worries about evangelizing the

Kundalini. I will save that for here.- lol!

 

The non profit is here and yes it is going through the hoops of being cleared by

the government regarding the tax exempt status. I will keep the group informed.

 

Thank for reading if you have made it this far and thank you again all those who

have given from their hearts in the many ways that we do here and on the healing

and tantra and holy fire of Christ and the other sister groups we have connected

to this one. - blessings all! - chrism.

[Guest guest]

Thank you dear chrism for openly sharing your thoughts. I know how difficult

the subject is and appreciate your response. My heart is blessed to have as a

guide one who understands the perils of living in the western world and who is

devoted to service to others. One who has struggled with the issues of the

Kundalini journey and who can so eloquently explain and discuss how to live with

Kundalini in a safe manner.

 

" You are unique in all the worlds... " And I honor that uniqueness.

 

Namaste...

e

 

From the little prince :

 

" Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart.

Anything essential is invisible to the eyes. . . . "

 

" The time for action is now. It's never too late to do something. "

 

" Perhaps love is the process of my leading you gently back to yourself "

 

" Life has taught us that love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in

looking outward together in the same direction "

 

 

" That is the hardest thing of all. It is much harder to judge yourself than to

judge others. If you succeed in judging yourself, it's because you're truly a

wise man. "

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

blessing to your dear Chrism. . .

 

" As far as the evangelization of Kundalini sparrow. - lol! Most people

see Kundalini as being nothing more than another noodle variety. So no

worries there! Yes there is a definite drive especially for the newly

awakened to bring this information out into the public but even then

only those who are open to it really receive the call. "

 

as Deb mentioned was responding to the thoughts of spirituality and

money, truly hope you can read all the ways i was deeply supportive

towards and for you Chrism, i really hope you heard when reading it was

my own questioning about how kundalini is presented as a program, group

or organization rather that how you personally present kundalini . .

i was not questioning if it was to be presented but rather how is the

sacred way to present it as an organization, and in truth after thinking

outloud realized it was entirely my issue, and has absolutely nothing

to do with you, this group, and truly it is between you, God, and not

me, sorry i even responded, and even went back and removed the commet

for like Deb said it was a thinking out loud, and was doing an internal

assessment for in truth this is such a personal private issue, and so

trust that K Ma will bring about what is perfect for this group and for

you Chrism

 

i come from working with a teacher from India that took vows as a very

young man to never mention or even speak of the sacred practices of

tantra and kundalini, and also a Native tradition that feel the

energetic world of Shakti/Kundalini is so sacred it cannot even be given

a name . so i am always with one foot in both worlds, trying to find

balance of honoring both the ancient and modern world, and as is often

the case standing between two worlds takes some balancing and time to

find the center point

 

please know and trust i was not judging you or your integrity here

 

love and honor to all

ordinary sparrow

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hope you are able to understand with out all of the lol! where i was

coming from concerning:

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Hello,

> Thank you for approaching this subject with the tender care that

it deserves. Times are tough for many and the subject of finances can be

difficult.

>

> Much of what I do comes from my experience. There was just no place to

go for information! Having worked in various medical positions I knew

not to go there but knowing where " not " to go wasn't the only knowledge

that I needed. I needed to know what was happening! What it was and why

it was, and how, and what to do, and why and how to do. So I searched

and searched and in my silent privacy with Kundalini I made every

mistake one could make. lol! Fear, lust, ego, anger, revenge,

depression, and greed for power the list goes on and on.

>

> These knowledge needs were never really ever met by anyone not even

Gopi Krishna though he gave me a word and a place to start researching

it. Then we come into Sanskrit and religions and on and on. No mention

of entities or that whole universe! Even these long dead masters didn't

have the experiences I was having bless their holy souls.

>

> So I became determined to fill this void.

>

> Everything that I had experienced would go to help others have or

remain safe with in what they were already experiencing and the Shakti

Kundalini just poured it on and was and is in complete agreement with

this.

>

> Yes I do have a mandate from the Kundalini to give and teach it to

others or it wouldn't be as effective as it is. Yes it is grace giving

of itself through corporeal flesh to other bastions of grace in

corporeal flesh.

>

> I remember not being able to afford much if anything that dealt with

Kundalini. Seminars were WAY too expensive 500 to a 1000 or more. So I

determined that mine would not be. Some " teachers " were selling packages

that included Shaktipat and other materials such as books and CDs (by

that time) but I wasn't in a position to partake so I didn't.

>

> I decided that no one would ever be turned away from these teachings

due to a lack of funds. So this group was started. Then the beautiful

and kind souls that came here pitched in and we were able to create the

http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com

> website. Glen Olah volunteered his skills as a web designer and

webmaster and to this day gives of his time and service of love for

those who have never even met him! His love has helped so many!

>

> At the same time I was working and doing at least one seminar a year

and losing money with each one. Not charging enough to cover expenses. I

went into debt and I am still there. Even with this last 2 day seminar.

So I am told I need to charge more and so for me to do them I will have

to charge more but even so I do this reluctantly.

>

> Tony is correct.

>

> These specific Kundalini teachings require a teacher. The teacher

requires a computer and a phone line and electricity and the freedom of

time to help answer questions and assist in the myriad ways that come

into expression. The seminars as well cost money. The site, the

transportation, the materials.

>

> Even the free Shaktipat that is given here on the group and the free

information that is given privately and through this and other groups

isn't free.

>

> My landlord came to me today and asked how I expected to just live off

of teaching the Kundalini. " Will it put a roof over your head and food

on your table? " she asked. She has been very kind and very considerate

and understanding but she wanted an answer.

>

> I told her that wasn't the point of the teaching. She is a gracious

person and didn't hold me to an answer. So it is left dangling.... But I

feel she has a point. I can get work and sacrifice any time for

teaching. Or a way can be found for the teaching to be moderately self

sustaining and I am opting for that.

>

> Kundalini is a huge subject. Its effects upon just the physical body

are an enormous subject. And then there is the need to find your way

through the truths and half truths that permeate the Kundalini landscape

now as people attempt to cash in on the Kundalini phenomena. It can

become a bit muddy in how to discern truth from fiction. Authenticity

from fraud.

>

> Kundalini can get a person into trouble in the western world. Just the

excessive lust can get a person into some difficult situations.

>

> No matter what occurs I will keep doing this as long as I can. And

this group will remain as long as allows it to remain. Even after

is sold it is my hopes that these archives survive.

>

> The website helps many and hopefully will continue to do so.

>

> If a person is able to give a continuous or a one time donation

towards the furtherance of these teachings and outreach of this material

this donation whatever the amount is most graciously appreciated. It

really is. If a person is unable or unwilling to donate they can still

receive all of the loving care and instruction and information that are

offered here. No strings attached.

>

> As far as the evangelization of Kundalini sparrow. - lol! Most people

see Kundalini as being nothing more than another noodle variety. So no

worries there! Yes there is a definite drive especially for the newly

awakened to bring this information out into the public but even then

only those who are open to it really receive the call.

>

> Its understanding within the populations would go far for our society

but even then people would do as they need to do and Karma will have its

way. Look at what Kundalini Yoga has done with even introducing the word

to so many! It has expanded the western mindset to perhaps be able to

receive (for some few) the blessings of the Kundalini.

>

> You won't find me levitating on a street corner blasting everyone with

warnings of kriyas and tongue locks and watermelons! So no worries about

evangelizing the Kundalini. I will save that for here.- lol!

>

> The non profit is here and yes it is going through the hoops of being

cleared by the government regarding the tax exempt status. I will keep

the group informed.

>

> Thank for reading if you have made it this far and thank you again all

those who have given from their hearts in the many ways that we do here

and on the healing and tantra and holy fire of Christ and the other

sister groups we have connected to this one. - blessings all! - chrism.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Chrism. I read your letter.

Good luck!

 

With love and light,

 

2009/7/21 chrism <>

 

>

>

> Hello,

> Thank you for approaching this subject with the tender care that it

> deserves. Times are tough for many and the subject of finances can be

> difficult.

>

> Much of what I do comes from my experience. There was just no place to go

> for information about the Kundalini for me! Having worked in various medical

> positions I knew not to go there but knowing where " not " to go wasn't the

> only knowledge that I needed. I needed to know what was happening! What it

> was and why it was, and how, and what to do, and why and how to do. So I

> searched and searched and in my silent privacy with Kundalini I made every

> mistake one could make. lol! Fear, lust, ego, anger, revenge, depression,

> and greed for power the list goes on and on. Did some good things too.- lol!

>

>

> These knowledge needs were never really ever met by anyone in the flesh not

> even Gopi Krishna's book though he gave me a word and a place to start

> researching it. Then we come into Sanskrit and religions and on and on. No

> mention of entities or that whole universe! Even these long dead masters

> didn't have the experiences I was having that they were willing to discuss

> bless their holy souls.

>

> So I became determined to fill this void.

>

> Everything that I had experienced would go towards helping others have or

> remain safe with in what they were already experiencing and the Shakti

> Kundalini just poured it on and was and is in complete agreement with this.

> I surrender to this agreement.

>

> The safeties were given from this agreement.

>

> Yes I do have a mandate from the Kundalini to give and teach it to others

> or it wouldn't be as effective as it is. Yes it is grace giving of itself

> through corporeal flesh to other bastions of grace in corporeal flesh.

>

> I remember not being able to afford much of anything that dealt with

> Kundalini. Seminars were WAY too expensive 500 to a 1000 or more. So I

> determined that mine would not be. Some " teachers " were selling packages

> that included Shaktipat and other materials such as books and CDs (by that

> time) but I wasn't in a position to partake so I didn't.

>

> I decided that no one would ever be turned away from these teachings due to

> a lack of funds. So this group was started. Then the beautiful and kind

> souls that came here pitched in and we were able to create and host the

> http://www.kundalini awakeningsystems1.com

> website. Glen Olah volunteered his skills as a web designer and webmaster

> and to this very day he gives of his time and service of love for those who

> have never even met him! His love has helped so many! Many thanks to you

> Glen!

>

> At the same time I was working and doing at least one seminar a year and

> losing money with each one. Not charging enough to cover expenses. I went

> into debt and I am still there. Even with this last 2 day seminar. So I am

> told I need to charge more and so for me to do them I will have to charge

> more but even so I do this reluctantly.

>

> Tony is as correct as he is eloquent.

>

> These specific Kundalini teachings require a teacher. The teacher requires

> a computer and a phone line and electricity and the freedom of time to help

> answer questions and assist in the myriad ways that come into expression.

> The seminars as well cost money. The site, the transportation, the

> materials. I will sleep in the rental car to save expenses.

>

> Even the free Shaktipat that is given here on the group and the free

> information that is given privately and through this and the other groups

> isn't free.

>

> My landlord came to me today and asked how I could expect to just live off

> of teaching the Kundalini. " Will it put a roof over your head and food on

> your table? " she asked. She has been very kind and very considerate and

> understanding but she wanted an answer.

>

> I told her that wasn't the point of the teaching. She is a gracious person

> and didn't hold me to an answer. So it is left dangling.... But I feel she

> has a point. I can get work and sacrifice any time for teaching. Or a way

> can be found for the teaching to be moderately self sustaining and I am

> opting for that.

>

> Kundalini is a huge subject. Its effects upon just the physical body alone

> are an enormous subject. And then there is the need to find your way through

> the truths and half truths that permeate the Kundalini landscape now as

> people attempt to cash in on the Kundalini phenomena. It can become a bit

> muddy in how to discern truth from fiction. Authenticity from fraud.

>

> Kundalini can get a person into deep trouble in the western world. Just the

> excessive lust by itself can get a person into some difficult situations.

>

> No matter what occurs I will keep doing this as long as I can. And this

> group will remain as long as allows it to remain. Even after is

> sold it is my hopes that these archives survive.

>

> The website helps many and hopefully will continue to do so.

>

> If a person is able to give a continuous or a one time donation towards the

> furtherance of these teachings and outreach of this material this donation -

> whatever the amount - is most graciously appreciated. It really is. If a

> person is unable or unwilling to donate they can still receive all of the

> loving care and instructions and information that are offered here. No

> strings attached.

>

> As far as the evangelization of Kundalini sparrow. - lol! Most people see

> Kundalini as being nothing more than another noodle variety. So no worries

> there! Yes there is a definite drive especially for the newly awakened to

> bring this information out into the public but even then only those who are

> open to it really receive the call.

>

> Its understanding within the populations would go far for our society but

> even then people would do as they need to do and Karma will have its way.

> Look at what Kundalini Yoga has done with even introducing the word to so

> many! It has expanded the western mindset to perhaps be able to receive (for

> some few) the blessings of the Kundalini. Look at the grace that you are

> sparrow and know that we as a society are blessed for your presence and the

> presence of others who have been kissed by the divine in this way.

>

> However you won't find me levitating on a street corner blasting everyone

> with warnings of kriyas and tongue locks and watermelons! So no worries

> about evangelizing the Kundalini. I will save that for here.- lol!

>

> The non profit is here and yes it is going through the hoops of being

> cleared by the government regarding the tax exempt status. I will keep the

> group informed.

>

> Thank for reading if you have made it this far and thank you again all

> those who have given from their hearts in the many ways that we do here and

> on the healing and tantra and holy fire of Christ and the other sister

> groups we have connected to this one. - blessings all! - chrism.

>

> --- In

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> " Igor Alphus " <Alphu-s wrote:

> >

> I think should give input ....and the Non-Profit needs to be looked

> at.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Tiffany Jones

Patheya

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

so beautifully put - I agree, the world is indeed fortunate for to have

Chrism among us!

Thank you too and all you do!

Much love,

Deb

 

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