Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Namaste, dear Sparrow, reading this I feel you have raised some important considerations in the dream analysis, in looking at it like a hologram in which the layers are repeated.. I remember reading in some of wilbers work, where he spoke about dream analysis, and for a comprehensive analysis, one would have to look at the dream from each level(or stage) of develolpment that the self goes through... So using his holarchichal development model, where each level of development is kind of an essential building block for the next level, the patterns of the lower levels often get reflected and repeated through the higher.. My experience has been that when I start to move through a stage transition, many old patterns resurface and are reworked into a new understanding of self.. anyway, to cut a long story short, comprehensive dream analysis would involve looking at the dream from the lens of each stage.. I found trying to do that would be the equivalent of a PhD for each dream, and so I set the intention to find a 'release of energy' from an insight, felt as a kind of peace of mind, and this I do by wrestling with the dream, and usually taking a kind of jungian approach.. and depending on the depth of the repression layer, the insight may take a few days to unfold, often in the form of furthur developments in dreams over the following nights.. I feel one of the challenges of dream analysis is that a systemic mind is required. By systemic, I mean being able to see that cause and effect are seperated over time, (kind of like the waves on the beach being produced by storms thousands of km and many days away).. and so with dreams, for me they are often a compression of behaviour that plays itself over time, sometimes weeks of months, and by being able to translate this short dream (that probably last seconds) into a pattern of events that may happen over a fairly long time is always fun, as it goes beyonds the minds ability to want to associate cuase and effect with the here and now.. ( this kind of leads into a discussion on my understanding of karma..lol..) anyways, rambling on.. the oatmeal must be kicking in.. lol.. love Bruce , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > Namaste > > dear Linda just a quick ramble for dont want for this dream to turn into > a nightmare for you. . . . > > but this morning after meditation found myself going through the layers > of your dream, and this is what came, truly subjective, and will just > share what came. . . > > for a few moments went into a clarity of how the dream could be layered > and was like a hologram > layers i glimpsed; # l. . . Kundalini, example with the children being > the Ida, Pingala and opening of the channel, how many children, the need > to take care of the children, raise the children (nadi), could you take > the dream and look at it from the K angle > #2 Interpersonal with family, friends, current and past issues all > playing together > #3 Internal marriage and more Jungian analysis of every part and image > of the dream being an aspect of self. . . .Perhaps it is not either/or, > this/not this, but a pattern that echoes through several layers? > > I wonder if the intensity you feel is that the dream expresses an > energetic hologram of what is in one area is also the template for other > others, maybe that is why it feels so significant. . .? > > and the last thought, maybe ask K Ma and Holy Spirit to bring you what > is needed to gathere that which is significant and what they want you to > discern. . . i often think that it is not continguent on whether we > understand a dream or not, but there is some kind of release whether the > mind can understand or not. . . > > love and peace > ordinary sparrow > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > Purple, the last post of mine was in reply to your post. I thank > everyone for their replies and help. I am feeling very frustrated with > this dream. I don't know why it is bothering me so much, but I can't > seem to think about anything else. Probably blowing it all out of > proportion. > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > , " Linda " > crazycats711@ wrote: > > > > > > Well, I have tried to reply to this twice, the first was a long > rampling thing and hit the wrong thing, then I tried a shorter version > and hit the wrong thing agian and erased it all. So I guess I am not > suppose to shared that. I am tired of trying. > > > > > > Purple, I do thank you for your reply to my dream. Some of what you > said resonates and some doesn't. I really don't feel it is my family > that is holding me back, it is something to do with just me. Or maybe I > am not being held back at all, just maybe I am where I am suppose to be > at the moment. Shoot! I have had anger in the past for every one of my > family members at some point or other. Right now I am not feeling anger > towards anyone that I know of at least not consciously. I have gone > over and over the forgiving, maybe not for myself enough. I don't know, > I really don't. > > > > > > I think the guy driving the car was probably a guide and the actor > represented a male authority figure, maybe, but not neccessarily a > father. The whole dream was a reversal back in the past thing. It's been > a good 15 years since I've seen these people. Those two years spent > being friends with them were really all around good years, as far as > having no problems. I could safely say they were the best two years of > my life, everything was going great for us. It was about the time they > moved away, that all hell broke loose and everything about James' and my > life changed. The changes that took place at that time had nothing to do > with them,though. Dreams are so confusing. *sigh* > > > > > > You know, I just thought of something. This was the same time as the > church I was attending totally died from some members wanting this and > others wanting that. All the fighting killed the church! Everyone went > their own way and I became a hermit. I was so angry at the pastor and > his wife at that time for flat out lying to me. I got over it and > forgave,though, at least I think I did. I've had and still do not have > any desire to go back to church since. Not because of unforgiveness > towards any of them, but I just could not find a church that I resonated > with. Then all the problems happened and I didn't have time to even > think about going to church, anyways. Maybe the severed head represented > the dead church. I guess there was a celebration of sort for some of the > church family members, they got what they wanted. I don't know if this > is what the dream is about either! It was a big turning point in my > life. If I had found another church, I probably would not have gotten > involved with kundalini/meditation and all. So what? K-ma cut my > spiritual support head off to set me free from a dead end road? I was > getting on the restless side before it all ended. It sure took a long > time to get from where I was to where I am now! > > > > > > Well, I have been sitting here writing for several hours on this. > It's time to stopped. I am getting a headache from it all. LOL! I have > written three of these long ramblings. The others two were just as bad > but about stuff totally different. I haven't even gotten to Bruce's > post, yet. My third eye is throbbing, it time for a walk. > > > > > > Blessings & love, > > > Linda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Namaste dear Bruce thanks for the discussion on this, and i will re-read this several times. . . on an experiential level have found in the past few years that when K Ma reveals the holographic layers, and i can see the whole echo of a situation or dream that becomes a place of deep release. . . love and honor ordinary sparrow , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom wrote: > > Namaste, > > dear Sparrow, > > reading this I feel you have raised some important considerations in the dream analysis, in looking at it like a hologram in which the layers are repeated.. > > I remember reading in some of wilbers work, where he spoke about dream analysis, and for a comprehensive analysis, one would have to look at the dream from each level(or stage) of develolpment that the self goes through... > > So using his holarchichal development model, where each level of development is kind of an essential building block for the next level, the patterns of the lower levels often get reflected and repeated through the higher.. > > My experience has been that when I start to move through a stage transition, many old patterns resurface and are reworked into a new understanding of self.. anyway, to cut a long story short, comprehensive dream analysis would involve looking at the dream from the lens of each stage.. > > I found trying to do that would be the equivalent of a PhD for each dream, and so I set the intention to find a 'release of energy' from an insight, felt as a kind of peace of mind, and this I do by wrestling with the dream, and usually taking a kind of jungian approach.. and depending on the depth of the repression layer, the insight may take a few days to unfold, often in the form of furthur developments in dreams over the following nights.. > > I feel one of the challenges of dream analysis is that a systemic mind is required. By systemic, I mean being able to see that cause and effect are seperated over time, (kind of like the waves on the beach being produced by storms thousands of km and many days away).. and so with dreams, for me they are often a compression of behaviour that plays itself over time, sometimes weeks of months, and by being able to translate this short dream (that probably last seconds) into > a pattern of events that may happen over a fairly long time is always fun, as it goes beyonds the minds ability to want to associate cuase and effect with the here and now.. ( this kind of leads into a discussion on my understanding of karma..lol..) > > anyways, rambling on.. the oatmeal must be kicking in.. lol.. > > love > Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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