For everyone. -?s

[Guest guest]

Yes I apologize if this feels like what is occurring Linda.

 

No of course I am not trying to place confinement of Christian ideology and

discussion off this group and onto the other group though it is not prohibited.

And neither am I interested in increasing group populations this way. It is an

interest of mine that people be given places to share these personal subjects in

depth and inside of a destination that is given fellowship for their beliefs and

experiences. Our community is growing fast and not everyone knows about the

sister groups!

 

I do seek for balance here on the main group as well and it is always a moving

point of discernment.(lol)

 

I do not have a separate Hindu group or Buddhist group or Taoist group or Native

Peoples group or Jewish group, or Islamic group. So I guess in some ways I am

giving preference for the Christian community even though I do not feel a

preference in that way.

 

This is perhaps another question of my failings within the idea

of balance. I can only do so much but perhaps I should start those groups as

well - for parity.(sigh)

 

I do not read of and I do ask of those who believe in the many aspects of God to

read of their own belief system scriptural debates and " absolute " truths of

those faiths. Neither are the Hindu scriptures here debated and given such a

preference as you seem to imply. Sometimes it does occur and I do move to

balance them as well when it becomes so much of a dominating topic that it is

falling outside of the Kundalini topic as is the main force of focus here. The

Christian point of view is as valuable as any point of view within the

Kundalini.

 

Ask the Hindu here and they will tell you that they do not get to dominate this

group. No one does.

 

Yet how far do we venture into the scriptural debates of our personal belief

system as we discuss those implicated versions and revisions of any ideology?

Where is the line given? As I do not give these same expressive, in depth,

discussions of the Bhagivaghita or the Koran or the many Buddhist scriptures,

or the Zen or Taoist philosophic differences or the Native Structures of

agreement and disagreement the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran and its

" absolute truths " why should any certain group be allowed to do it?

 

Please do a search on this group and find where this has been given more than

the room for expression as has been given the Christian point of view.

 

And yet you are perhaps correct Linda.

 

I feel the balance has most certainly been given towards the expressive format

of one belief system at the exclusion of others. I will not name the group. But

I will seek to give more balance to all belief systems.

 

So I do apologize to the group as a community. Please accept this as my public

declaration of apology for the unbalanced management of this group. I will

strive to do better. - blessings Linda and all! - chrism

 

, " Linda " <crazycats711

wrote:

In other words are you saying the main group is only for the hindu and other

religions or non religious? If so, why the segregation? How are we to learn from

one another if we are segregated? Are you saying the christians can read on the

main group, but not interact and express their truths/beliefs here? Please

forgive me if I am reading this wrong.

>

> Blessings,

> Linda

[Guest guest]

Chrism, I didn't mean for that to come off as if I was criticizing you for

unbalanced management of the group. I see you as doing excellant at managing

such a complicated and diverse group as this one is. It amazes me what all you

do.

 

I took it the way I did because of your posting it under the " The Shadow " topic

of which I had just posted a christian view. I apologize to you and the whole

group if my postings of a chritian view about something has come off as wanting

a scriptural debate. That is not my intent for sure. I don't care to debate

scriptures with anyone, not even another christian. I do know that is what a lot

of the christian groups do and is the reason I am not a member of those types of

groups. I tried the christian mysticism group, but they are like that too. After

the first two or three post I have never made another. I have not even read

there in several months. My only communication there has been with Robert

Groves.

 

I don't see having separate groups would be the answer.

None of the others you have are all that active except for the Tantric and maybe

the 2012 one. JMHO

 

I can see why you started the christian one, because there is not much out there

on the net about Kundalini and christianity. It is just not very active there to

hold a person's interest for long.

 

I have learned much here on the main group because of the diversity.

 

I will try to be more careful in what I post.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

 

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> Yes I apologize if this feels like what is occurring Linda.

>

> No of course I am not trying to place confinement of Christian ideology and

discussion off this group and onto the other group though it is not prohibited.

And neither am I interested in increasing group populations this way. It is an

interest of mine that people be given places to share these personal subjects in

depth and inside of a destination that is given fellowship for their beliefs and

experiences. Our community is growing fast and not everyone knows about the

sister groups!

>

> I do seek for balance here on the main group as well and it is always a moving

point of discernment.(lol)

>

> I do not have a separate Hindu group or Buddhist group or Taoist group or

Native Peoples group or Jewish group, or Islamic group. So I guess in some ways

I am giving preference for the Christian community even though I do not feel a

preference in that way.

>

> This is perhaps another question of my failings within the idea

> of balance. I can only do so much but perhaps I should start those groups as

well - for parity.(sigh)

>

> I do not read of and I do ask of those who believe in the many aspects of God

to read of their own belief system scriptural debates and " absolute " truths of

those faiths. Neither are the Hindu scriptures here debated and given such a

preference as you seem to imply. Sometimes it does occur and I do move to

balance them as well when it becomes so much of a dominating topic that it is

falling outside of the Kundalini topic as is the main force of focus here. The

Christian point of view is as valuable as any point of view within the

Kundalini.

>

> Ask the Hindu here and they will tell you that they do not get to dominate

this group. No one does.

>

> Yet how far do we venture into the scriptural debates of our personal belief

system as we discuss those implicated versions and revisions of any ideology?

Where is the line given? As I do not give these same expressive, in depth,

discussions of the Bhagivaghita or the Koran or the many Buddhist scriptures,

or the Zen or Taoist philosophic differences or the Native Structures of

agreement and disagreement the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran and its

" absolute truths " why should any certain group be allowed to do it?

>

> Please do a search on this group and find where this has been given more than

the room for expression as has been given the Christian point of view.

>

> And yet you are perhaps correct Linda.

>

> I feel the balance has most certainly been given towards the expressive format

of one belief system at the exclusion of others. I will not name the group. But

I will seek to give more balance to all belief systems.

>

> So I do apologize to the group as a community. Please accept this as my public

declaration of apology for the unbalanced management of this group. I will

strive to do better. - blessings Linda and all! - chrism

>

> , " Linda " <crazycats711@>

wrote:

> In other words are you saying the main group is only for the hindu and other

religions or non religious? If so, why the segregation? How are we to learn from

one another if we are segregated? Are you saying the christians can read on the

main group, but not interact and express their truths/beliefs here? Please

forgive me if I am reading this wrong.

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Linda

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Linda, I do believe was just making an announcement for any kundalites who may be wanting to discuss christian text and kundalini, a FYI.I dont think you need to change what you write at all, if it has something to do with kundalini it has something to do with us all RIGHT SIS*I love reading all the different ideas and often spend an entire day thinking about something someone may have said, often religious things make me ponder deeply and take me off in to a meditation.Love and hugs elektra x x x

[Guest guest]

We all should be beyond any cult/caste/religion/nationality while practising Kundalini

awakening.Thoughts from scriptures are welcome but they should not be enforced or

canvassed.This is my personal opinion................................Shrikant--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

Linda <crazycats711 Re: For everyone. chrism-?s Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:56 AM

Chrism, I didn't mean for that to come off as if I was criticizing you for unbalanced management of the group. I see you as doing excellant at managing such a complicated and diverse group as this one is. It amazes me what all you do.I took it the way I did because of your posting it under the "The Shadow" topic of which I had just posted a christian view. I apologize to you and the whole group if my postings of a chritian view about something has come off as wanting a scriptural debate. That is not my intent for sure. I don't care to debate scriptures with anyone, not even another christian. I do know that is what a lot of the christian groups do and is the reason I am not a member of those types of groups. I tried the christian mysticism group, but they are like that too. After the first two or three post I have never made another. I have not even read there in several months. My only communication there has been with Robert

Groves.I don't see having separate groups would be the answer. :)None of the others you have are all that active except for the Tantric and maybe the 2012 one. JMHO I can see why you started the christian one, because there is not much out there on the net about Kundalini and christianity. It is just not very active there to hold a person's interest for long. I have learned much here on the main group because of the diversity.I will try to be more careful in what I post.Blessings,LindaKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "chrism" <@ ...> wrote:>> Yes I apologize if this feels like what is occurring Linda.> > No of course I am not trying to

place confinement of Christian ideology and discussion off this group and onto the other group though it is not prohibited. And neither am I interested in increasing group populations this way. It is an interest of mine that people be given places to share these personal subjects in depth and inside of a destination that is given fellowship for their beliefs and experiences. Our community is growing fast and not everyone knows about the sister groups!> > I do seek for balance here on the main group as well and it is always a moving point of discernment. (lol)> > I do not have a separate Hindu group or Buddhist group or Taoist group or Native Peoples group or Jewish group, or Islamic group. So I guess in some ways I am giving preference for the Christian community even though I do not feel a preference in that way.> > This is perhaps another question of my failings within the idea > of balance. I can only

do so much but perhaps I should start those groups as well - for parity.(sigh) > > I do not read of and I do ask of those who believe in the many aspects of God to read of their own belief system scriptural debates and "absolute" truths of those faiths. Neither are the Hindu scriptures here debated and given such a preference as you seem to imply. Sometimes it does occur and I do move to balance them as well when it becomes so much of a dominating topic that it is falling outside of the Kundalini topic as is the main force of focus here. The Christian point of view is as valuable as any point of view within the Kundalini. > > Ask the Hindu here and they will tell you that they do not get to dominate this group. No one does. > > Yet how far do we venture into the scriptural debates of our personal belief system as we discuss those implicated versions and revisions of any ideology? Where is the line given? As I do

not give these same expressive, in depth, discussions of the Bhagivaghita or the Koran or the many Buddhist scriptures, or the Zen or Taoist philosophic differences or the Native Structures of agreement and disagreement the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran and its "absolute truths" why should any certain group be allowed to do it?> > Please do a search on this group and find where this has been given more than the room for expression as has been given the Christian point of view.> > And yet you are perhaps correct Linda. > > I feel the balance has most certainly been given towards the expressive format of one belief system at the exclusion of others. I will not name the group. But I will seek to give more balance to all belief systems. > > So I do apologize to the group as a community. Please accept this as my public declaration of apology for the unbalanced management of this group. I will

strive to do better. - blessings Linda and all! - chrism > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Linda" <crazycats711@ > wrote:> In other words are you saying the main group is only for the hindu and other religions or non religious? If so, why the segregation? How are we to learn from one another if we are segregated? Are you saying the christians can read on the main group, but not interact and express their truths/beliefs here? Please forgive me if I am reading this wrong.> > > > Blessings,> > Linda>

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[Guest guest]

I do believe that our religions and our beliefs also are inspired by the past lives we lived.

 

In this life i was born as a buddhist and i got converted into christianity.. And once after the kundalini energy was risen i understood that buddhism, and hinduism and christianity all got the same base. And also i start praying to Jesus and end up chanting "OM Shanthi" and then i was confused and so now i thing we are interested in finding the truth through the religions we are comfortable with and i fine some piece here and another piece there and also i have started reading the avesta...Can someone explain why i pray OM Shanthi. which i never did before???

MAJI

Treat people as if they were what they ought to be, and you'll help them to become what they are capable of becoming.

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

Linda <crazycats711 Re: For everyone. chrism-?s Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 8:26 PM

Chrism, I didn't mean for that to come off as if I was criticizing you for unbalanced management of the group. I see you as doing excellant at managing such a complicated and diverse group as this one is. It amazes me what all you do.I took it the way I did because of your posting it under the "The Shadow" topic of which I had just posted a christian view. I apologize to you and the whole group if my postings of a chritian view about something has come off as wanting a scriptural debate. That is not my intent for sure. I don't care to debate scriptures with anyone, not even another christian. I do know that is what a lot of the christian groups do and is the reason I am not a member of those types of groups. I tried the christian mysticism group, but they are like that too. After the first two or three post I have never made another. I have not even read there in several months. My only communication there has been with

Robert Groves.I don't see having separate groups would be the answer. :)None of the others you have are all that active except for the Tantric and maybe the 2012 one. JMHO I can see why you started the christian one, because there is not much out there on the net about Kundalini and christianity. It is just not very active there to hold a person's interest for long. I have learned much here on the main group because of the diversity.I will try to be more careful in what I post.Blessings,Linda , "chrism" <> wrote:>> Yes I apologize if this feels like what is occurring Linda.> > No of course I am not trying to place confinement of

Christian ideology and discussion off this group and onto the other group though it is not prohibited. And neither am I interested in increasing group populations this way. It is an interest of mine that people be given places to share these personal subjects in depth and inside of a destination that is given fellowship for their beliefs and experiences. Our community is growing fast and not everyone knows about the sister groups!> > I do seek for balance here on the main group as well and it is always a moving point of discernment.(lol)> > I do not have a separate Hindu group or Buddhist group or Taoist group or Native Peoples group or Jewish group, or Islamic group. So I guess in some ways I am giving preference for the Christian community even though I do not feel a preference in that way.> > This is perhaps another question of my failings within the idea > of balance. I can only do so much but perhaps

I should start those groups as well - for parity.(sigh) > > I do not read of and I do ask of those who believe in the many aspects of God to read of their own belief system scriptural debates and "absolute" truths of those faiths. Neither are the Hindu scriptures here debated and given such a preference as you seem to imply. Sometimes it does occur and I do move to balance them as well when it becomes so much of a dominating topic that it is falling outside of the Kundalini topic as is the main force of focus here. The Christian point of view is as valuable as any point of view within the Kundalini. > > Ask the Hindu here and they will tell you that they do not get to dominate this group. No one does. > > Yet how far do we venture into the scriptural debates of our personal belief system as we discuss those implicated versions and revisions of any ideology? Where is the line given? As I do not give these same

expressive, in depth, discussions of the Bhagivaghita or the Koran or the many Buddhist scriptures, or the Zen or Taoist philosophic differences or the Native Structures of agreement and disagreement the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran and its "absolute truths" why should any certain group be allowed to do it?> > Please do a search on this group and find where this has been given more than the room for expression as has been given the Christian point of view.> > And yet you are perhaps correct Linda. > > I feel the balance has most certainly been given towards the expressive format of one belief system at the exclusion of others. I will not name the group. But I will seek to give more balance to all belief systems. > > So I do apologize to the group as a community. Please accept this as my public declaration of apology for the unbalanced management of this group. I will strive to do

better. - blessings Linda and all! - chrism > > , "Linda" <crazycats711@> wrote:> In other words are you saying the main group is only for the hindu and other religions or non religious? If so, why the segregation? How are we to learn from one another if we are segregated? Are you saying the christians can read on the main group, but not interact and express their truths/beliefs here? Please forgive me if I am reading this wrong.> > > > Blessings,> > Linda>---

[Guest guest]

hi Chrism,

 

actually, I was very surprised that you felt you needed to apologize for

anything.. arent enlightened beings beyond fault? (lol )

 

my errant sense of humor aside, I see the traditions as being a method of

expression, a lens or language through which experience may be communicated. If

Hinduism and the Bhagavat Gita has the wisdom, then use that. If Christianity

has it, then use that..

 

When we confuse the message with belonging to the culture, rather than as a

universal human message being transmitted through through a cultural voice, then

things get messy...

 

personally, I feel that much of Christianity is in dire need of honoring its

contemplative, esoteric mystical roots (and I say that as a Christian). Perhaps

it appears that eastern religion may be favored, and that may be that they are

more popularly associated with esoteric spirituality (imho), and so bringing

Christianity into the foreground as a voice, as a lens for genuine

transpersonal, esoteric mysticism would be a welcome balance...

 

I hope you can keep the Christian group active. I like to read it even though I

dont post there very often..

 

love

Bruce

 

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> Yes I apologize if this feels like what is occurring Linda.

>

> No of course I am not trying to place confinement of Christian ideology and

discussion off this group and onto the other group though it is not prohibited.

And neither am I interested in increasing group populations this way. It is an

interest of mine that people be given places to share these personal subjects in

depth and inside of a destination that is given fellowship for their beliefs and

experiences. Our community is growing fast and not everyone knows about the

sister groups!

>

> I do seek for balance here on the main group as well and it is always a moving

point of discernment.(lol)

>

> I do not have a separate Hindu group or Buddhist group or Taoist group or

Native Peoples group or Jewish group, or Islamic group. So I guess in some ways

I am giving preference for the Christian community even though I do not feel a

preference in that way.

>

> This is perhaps another question of my failings within the idea

> of balance. I can only do so much but perhaps I should start those groups as

well - for parity.(sigh)

>

> I do not read of and I do ask of those who believe in the many aspects of God

to read of their own belief system scriptural debates and " absolute " truths of

those faiths. Neither are the Hindu scriptures here debated and given such a

preference as you seem to imply. Sometimes it does occur and I do move to

balance them as well when it becomes so much of a dominating topic that it is

falling outside of the Kundalini topic as is the main force of focus here. The

Christian point of view is as valuable as any point of view within the

Kundalini.

>

> Ask the Hindu here and they will tell you that they do not get to dominate

this group. No one does.

>

> Yet how far do we venture into the scriptural debates of our personal belief

system as we discuss those implicated versions and revisions of any ideology?

Where is the line given? As I do not give these same expressive, in depth,

discussions of the Bhagivaghita or the Koran or the many Buddhist scriptures,

or the Zen or Taoist philosophic differences or the Native Structures of

agreement and disagreement the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran and its

" absolute truths " why should any certain group be allowed to do it?

>

> Please do a search on this group and find where this has been given more than

the room for expression as has been given the Christian point of view.

>

> And yet you are perhaps correct Linda.

>

> I feel the balance has most certainly been given towards the expressive format

of one belief system at the exclusion of others. I will not name the group. But

I will seek to give more balance to all belief systems.

>

> So I do apologize to the group as a community. Please accept this as my public

declaration of apology for the unbalanced management of this group. I will

strive to do better. - blessings Linda and all! - chrism

>

> , " Linda " <crazycats711@>

wrote:

> In other words are you saying the main group is only for the hindu and other

religions or non religious? If so, why the segregation? How are we to learn from

one another if we are segregated? Are you saying the christians can read on the

main group, but not interact and express their truths/beliefs here? Please

forgive me if I am reading this wrong.

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Linda

>

[Guest guest]

Actually there was another message in my apology bruce. - lol! And

enlightenement imho indicates the ability to be inside of fault by choice for a

reason (in my case) though not attached to it. We are multifaceted expressive

beings and the way things are done here may conflict with others who may not

enjoy every aspect of what is given. This possibility was covered by the

consideration of an apology.

 

Kundalini is a message that will be given through the many belief structures and

yes I agree bruce the Fire of Christ group shall remain open!

 

, " bruce_oom "

<bruce_oom wrote:

>

> hi Chrism,

>

> actually, I was very surprised that you felt you needed to apologize for

anything.. arent enlightened beings beyond fault? (lol )

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

dear Bruce and Chrism. . .this is what i heard in the apology. . . " if

one wants to reach high, then one must bend or bow low. " Amma . . . .i

thought was beautifully modeling a wisdom truth. . . .i share

this just to validate Chrism's explanation of the multifaceted K Ma

commune. . . each person heard what they needed to here i guess?. . .

 

much love to you Bruce

ordinary sparrow

 

 

, " Chris "

<kundalini_awakening_teacher wrote:

>

> Actually there was another message in my apology bruce. - lol! And

enlightenement imho indicates the ability to be inside of fault by

choice for a reason (in my case) though not attached to it. We are

multifaceted expressive beings and the way things are done here may

conflict with others who may not enjoy every aspect of what is given.

This possibility was covered by the consideration of an apology.

>

> Kundalini is a message that will be given through the many belief

structures and yes I agree bruce the Fire of Christ group shall remain

open!

>

> , " bruce_oom "

bruce_oom@ wrote:

> >

> > hi Chrism,

> >

> > actually, I was very surprised that you felt you needed to apologize

for anything.. arent enlightened beings beyond fault? (lol )

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chrism,

 

yep.. I kind of figured there might be a little more consciousness to it than

meets the eye

 

I found these lines interesting...

>And enlightenement imho indicates the ability to be inside of fault by choice

for a reason (in my case) though not attached to it.

 

and as I read this, I am wondering what you mean by this? What comes to me as an

example is the ex-Checkoslovakian president, Vaclav Havel, and in one of the

readings I did, he would place himself in between a tension of opposites, for

example if the military were controlling things too much, he would write

humorous plays that appeared to flatter military personnel, yet would also

subtly poke satirical fun at them, the intention being to create some

transformational shift of awareness.

 

Increasingly I sense where there are faults, ie I have a deep sense of the moral

order of the universe, and how things should be, compared with how they are, and

I feel it as a divine creative impulse to want to transform situations using

skillful means (and I am very careful here to note the difference between an ego

self image or strategy), as compared to the call of the Higher Self wanting to

express higher levels of morality and care. I find I will sometimes go inside a

situation, or relationship or job and stand where I know there to be a problem,

and this entry is a conscious choice, and then I stay there and hold the

tension, looking for a creative way to facilitate some type of transformation

and ease the energy block....

 

and so I begin to stand inside faults by choice and for a reason, the reason

ultimatly being to bring forth more love, understanding, peace and joy.

 

This process initially starts with intrapersonal work, for me shadow work, where

I would seek for situations that would raise my shadow, and then stay present

to the tension of my personal shadow until its resolution becomes clear (and one

primitive way to view the shadow is blocked energy), and once familiar with the

personal work, I am increasingly able to stand in the tension of other peoples

shadows, holding their tensions, their 'faults', and by holding the space,

somehow encouraging a resolution...

 

anyways, this is just what comes up for me reading this... it makes sense to me

even though i can understand if others may not understand this...'

 

love and gratitude to all your work

Bruce

 

, " Chris "

<kundalini_awakening_teacher wrote:

>

> Actually there was another message in my apology bruce. - lol! And

enlightenement imho indicates the ability to be inside of fault by choice for a

reason (in my case) though not attached to it. We are multifaceted expressive

beings and the way things are done here may conflict with others who may not

enjoy every aspect of what is given. This possibility was covered by the

consideration of an apology.

>

> Kundalini is a message that will be given through the many belief structures

and yes I agree bruce the Fire of Christ group shall remain open!

>

> , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom@>

wrote:

> >

> > hi Chrism,

> >

> > actually, I was very surprised that you felt you needed to apologize for

anything.. arent enlightened beings beyond fault? (lol )

>