Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Sir John Wooroffe (1865-1935) opines on above subject as under. The Guru is the religious teacher & spiritual guide to whose direction orthodox Hindus of all divisions of worshippers submit themselves.There is in reality but one Guru.T he ordinary human Guru is but the manifestation on the phenomenal plane of Aad-Naatha Mahaa-Kaala,the Supreme Guru abiding in Kailasha.He it is who enters in to and speaks with the voice of the earthly Guru at the time of giving mantra.Guru is the root of diksha (initiation).Diksha is the root of mantra.Mantra is the root of Devata; and Devata is the root of siddhi.The Munda-maala -Tantra says that mantra is born of Guru and Devataa of mantra,so Guru occupies the position of a grandfather to the Ishta-D evataa. It is the Guru who initiates and helps, and the relationship between him and the disciple continues until the attainment of monistic siddhi.. The Guru is not to be thought of as a mere man.There is no difference between Guru,Mantra and Deva.Guru is father,mother and Brahamam.Attached to this greatness there is however,responsibility;for the sins of the disciple recoil upon him. According to the Saara sangraha a guru should examine and test the intending disciple for a year. The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation.Those who are lewd,adulterous,constantly addicted to sin,ignorant,slothful and devoid of religion should be rejected. Thd perfect saadhaka is he who is pure minded,whose senses are controlled,who is ever engaged in doing good to all beings,free from all notions of dualism,taking shelter with and living in supreme unity of the Brahman. I wish nothing from you ,it is only for academic interest I have joined as a member. I admire comments of the members on & quot;WILD GURU & quot;....... Shrikant Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket...com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the person. If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet they are human and they have every potential that any other human has. This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. We must always discern our path from the point of love for everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - , shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Respected Maji, I am aware of the story of Angulimala who used to wear garland of fiingers,who controlled the whole forest.Lord Buddha was asked not to go through forest in response he just smiled and asked the disciples to be at ease.When he took few steps there was sound of heavy footsteps.Angulimala was chasing Buddha trying to catch up.Angulimala ran violently as Lord Buddha walked steadily.Angulimala however could not catch up with Lord Buddha so he shouted,O monk,halt halt. Buddha immediately stopped and Angulimala was astonished to see him turn back,Buddha was calm as ever said 'I have stopped but you have not' ie.I have stopped killing,ill treating others and am established in universal love,knowledge.But you have not refrained from killing etc.Buddha's presence,calmness brought peace to Angulimala He threw his armour and garland of fingers and cried.He was admitted in Buddha's order.This did not please other monks. Buddha told Angulimala to be patient and said his bad Karma should stop haunting him if he keeps his calm. Thus Angulimala was transformed. " Transformation like Realization can happen in a second but you should be aware to catch that moment. " ..........................Shrikant --- On Mon, 10/8/09, Majitha E <majitha79 wrote: Majitha E <majitha79 Re: GURU & SHISHYA Monday, 10 August, 2009, 1:12 AM Dear Shrikanth, http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Angulimala http://www.angulima la.org.uk/ angintr.htm Sometimes Guru's also can be jealous of their own students. And at this story of angulimala, we can learn few things. 1. What is being predicted at the birth you can change if you want. i was told by many astrologers that my baby would not survive. I made the choice that he is going to live. I changed it. I had complications and to the extent i was strictly bed ridden i had no singleperson to give me a single meal I had to get down prepare my house for my baby. I was very sick but i had to clean the house before giving birth. Doctors could not tell his date which he would be born. his lungs were not matured and i had taken injections and his growth was lesser than his actual weeks. His stomach was smaller than the rest of the body. amniotic fluid was reducing. But i had faith in Jesus. i said Lord you see me i have no one i only have you i have to clean my house i cannot bring this baby into this dusty dirty house. I'm going to clean the house and you are going to save my baby. Then i was told my baby would be born on a certain day I told this to my husband and my cousin and i cleaned the house. I went to the hospital doctors said his growth has stopped and they had to take him out. I was there in the labour room for 36 hours in a foreign country no one to help but God. But He is so powerful when we trust in him.. And i gave birth to my child on the same day God promised. So we can change our fate which is written in our birth time.... Also even a murderer, drug addict can be redeemed... 2. Sometimes (Not all) Guru's can be jealous of their students. And in this case even fooled by his students in the story of angulimala. 3. When i went to a particular pastor the same pastor who wanted to close my 3rd eye. he had to find something with him he said you had pre marital sex and do you know how bad that's in God''s eye. And i came home and i could not think nothing but i have sinned and that God would never forgive me. Then my dear guides told me, look at Buddha, he had 3 palaces and concubines.. before he left the palace one day these women danced and tehy drank and he fell asleep and seeing him sleeping the women also fell asleep and when gauthama woke up he saw the women who danced beautifully now were messy and ugly and some were drooling etc and he became very sad and gave up his princely life. So i was told once when i make my decission to give up my sins and to come over it then the sins are forgiven. gauthama attained buddha hood after all these.. In real life i have found many beautiful souls among, drug addicts and protitues etc the ones who were rejected from society. Not all of them but there are really good souls are there for variuos reasons do the things that they do.. And if God loves and forgives then a guru cannot look at the birth time and tell this student is not good. Only a buddha or a christ can do that... Yes! I must thank my guides if not for them i also would be still thinking about the pastor and how he accused me and would be thinking i sinned and become very depressed... i do not wish to upset you on your mail but i wanted to tell tehse because how we see and judge is very wrong.. There are no bad people or bad students or bad teachers only humans and they make bad choices or bad mistakes... http://www.thebigvi ew.com/buddhism/ buddhasresume. html MAJI Treat people as if they were what they ought to be, and you'll help them to become what they are capable of becoming. --- On Sat, 8/8/09, shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ .co. in> wrote: The Guru is not to be thought of as a mere man.There is no difference between Guru,Mantra and Deva.Guru is father,mother and Brahamam.Attached to this greatness there is however,responsibil ity;for the sins of the disciple recoil upon him. According to the Saara sangraha a guru should examine and test the intending disciple for a year. The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation.Those who are lewd,adulterous, constantly addicted to sin,ignorant, slothful and devoid of religion should be rejected. Thd perfect saadhaka is he who is pure minded,whose senses are controlled,who is ever engaged in doing good to all beings,free from all notions of dualism,taking shelter with and living in supreme unity of the Brahman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Chrism, After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord Jesus bleeding heavily during my meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in religion of humanity.My one sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my sister's daughter is married to a muslim. Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? Shrikanth --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <> wrote: <> Re: GURU & SHISHYA Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the person. If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet they are human and they have every potential that any other human has. This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. We must always discern our path from the point of love for everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation. See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 jai gurudev i am sorry to say this,but i have observed in many american and also indian ppl to become guru,give shaktipat etc,when they thmeself r not really siddha adept or attained real awakening etc. there r many safer tekniks that shaktipat like kundalini yog,mantra yog etc, which dont require shaktipat and are safe. when a person tried to do shaktipat and is not properly protected or attuned his or her own kundalini and energy system can get damaged and also the person will see the ill effects in various ways incl to their health. similarly if someone tried to get shaktipat and gets their system jumpstarted without any proper meditation or energywork experience their energysystem and kundalini can become damaged. so,pls all friends,pls read various classic books like vigyan bhairav rudrayamal tantra etc and do the easier and safer tekniks which dont harm. om shakti gopal On 8/9/09, shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > > > Sir John Wooroffe (1865-1935) opines on above subject as under. > The Guru is the religious teacher & spiritual guide to whose direction > orthodox Hindus of all divisions of worshippers submit themselves.There is > in reality but one Guru.T he ordinary human Guru is but the manifestation on > the phenomenal plane of Aad-Naatha Mahaa-Kaala,the Supreme Guru abiding in > Kailasha.He it is who enters in to and speaks with the voice of the earthly > Guru at the time of giving mantra.Guru is the root of diksha > (initiation).Diksha is the root of mantra.Mantra is the root of Devata; and > Devata is the root of siddhi.The Munda-maala -Tantra says that mantra is > born of Guru and Devataa of mantra,so Guru occupies the position of a > grandfather to the Ishta-D evataa. > It is the Guru who initiates and helps, and the relationship between him > and the disciple continues until the attainment of monistic siddhi.. > The Guru is not to be thought of as a mere man.There is no difference > between Guru,Mantra and Deva.Guru is father,mother and Brahamam.Attached to > this greatness there is however,responsibility;for the sins of the disciple > recoil upon him. > According to the Saara sangraha a guru should examine and test the > intending disciple for a year. > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of > soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation.Those who > are lewd,adulterous,constantly addicted to sin,ignorant,slothful and devoid > of religion should be rejected. > Thd perfect saadhaka is he who is pure minded,whose senses are > controlled,who is ever engaged in doing good to all beings,free from all > notions of dualism,taking shelter with and living in supreme unity of the > Brahman. > I wish nothing from you > ,it is only for academic interest I have joined as a member. > I admire comments of the members on & quot;WILD GURU & quot;....... Shrikant > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here http://cricket...com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hi shrikanth I love being in the middle east, i spent quite a few years in Iraq (during it's troubles)i went through the deserts of Jordan with bedouins so that i could walk in the desert Jesus walked. I have a deep love of Iran and i speak Arabic and Persian. when i pray it is often to Allah because this fits for me as Allah is a light an energy. why was Jesus bleeding? this is my feminine view , my projection. for women blood is a carrier of the life force, the place where the sacred feminine moves, if Jesus bled for me I'd take it as being allowed to see the force that is the mother behind the son. For along time the great mother showed me images of blood, how she moved in spirals, it is beautiful to watch what she has to show you , just relax into yourself and let her take you there without fear. purple , shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > Dear Chrism, > After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord Jesus bleeding heavily during my > meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in religion of humanity.My one > sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my sister's daughter is married > to a muslim. > Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? > Shrikanth > > --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <> wrote: > > > <> > Re: GURU & SHISHYA > > Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM > > > > > > > Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the person. > > If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet they are human and they have every potential that any other human has. This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. > > We must always discern our path from the point of love for everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > > > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hi Shrikant, Have you seen the movie " Passion of the Christ " ? Jesus was bleeding all over the place. He bleeds for the sins of all mankind. He has taken all our inequities to reconnect man back to God. He is bleeding for me and you.. Namste, edgar ________________________________ shrikant phule <shrikantphule Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:54:52 PM Re: Re: GURU & SHISHYA Dear Chrism, After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord Jesus bleeding heavily during my meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in religion of humanity.My one sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my sister's daughter is married to a muslim. Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? Shrikanth --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <@ > wrote: Recent Activity * 6 New Members * 2 New LinksVisit Your Group Give Back for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Thank God i have a Wild Guru with a huge tent!! blessings, ty ________________________________ shrikant phule <shrikantphule " Kundalini-Awakening-systems-1 " <Kundalini-Awakening-systems-1 > Saturday, August 8, 2009 11:05:44 PM. Those who are lewd,adulterous, constantly addicted to sin,ignorant, slothful and devoid of religion should be rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 we must learn to empty our cups when we start to overflow with opinions and beliefs, how else is one to learn anything new? The more we 'know' (by means of thought) the less the Great Spirit can shine through. I'm realizing how painful this predicament is. I'm not saying that beliefs are bad, that would be a belief lol, but to be so attached to them and thinking that it contains the whole truth is to still be stuck in the thinking mind and negate Being, the Absolute. love to you shrikant and may you find peace craig , shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > The Guru is not to be thought of as a mere man.There is no difference between Guru,Mantra and Deva.Guru is father,mother and Brahamam.Attached to this greatness there is however,responsibility;for the sins of the disciple recoil upon him. > According to the Saara sangraha a guru should examine and test the intending disciple for a year. > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation.Those who are lewd,adulterous,constantly addicted to sin,ignorant,slothful and devoid of religion should be rejected. > Thd perfect saadhaka is he who is pure minded,whose senses are controlled,who is ever engaged in doing good to all beings,free from all notions of dualism,taking shelter with and living in supreme unity of the Brahman. > I wish nothing from you > ,it is only for academic interest I have joined as a member. > I admire comments of the members on & quot;WILD GURU & quot;....... Shrikant > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket...com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Purpole, Thank you for your opinion/interpretation I personally feel that due to discussions or arguments the vibrations caused may have lead to heavy bleeding of Jesus because I also felt the same pain not physical but agony he must have undergone Thanks again for ur mail.......shrikant. purple_firefly111 wrote: > > Hi shrikanth > I love being in the middle east, i spent quite a few years in Iraq (during it's troubles)i went through the deserts of Jordan with bedouins so that i could walk in the desert Jesus walked. I have a deep love of Iran and i speak Arabic and Persian. when i pray it is often to Allah because this fits for me as Allah is a light an energy. > why was Jesus bleeding? > this is my feminine view , my projection. > for women blood is a carrier of the life force, the place where the sacred feminine moves, if Jesus bled for me I'd take it as being allowed to see the force that is the mother behind the son. > For along time the great mother showed me images of blood, how she moved in spirals, it is beautiful to watch what she has to show you , > just relax into yourself and let her take you there without fear. > purple > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: >> >> Dear Chrism, >> After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord Jesus bleeding heavily during my >> meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in religion of humanity.My one >> sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my sister's daughter is married >> to a muslim. >> Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? >> Shrikanth >> >> --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <@ ...> wrote: >> >> >> <@ ...> >> [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: GURU & SHISHYA >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 >> Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the person. >> >> If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet they are human and they have every potential that any other human has.. This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. >> >> We must always discern our path from the point of love for everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - >> >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: >> > >> > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Thanks Craig, I am at ease & peace within.......shrikant kundaflame wrote: > > we must learn to empty our cups when we start to overflow with opinions and beliefs, how else is one to learn anything new? The more we 'know' (by means of thought) the less the Great Spirit can shine through. I'm realizing how painful this predicament is. I'm not saying that beliefs are bad, that would be a belief lol, but to be so attached to them and thinking that it contains the whole truth is what causes so much violence in this world. > love to you shrikant and may you find peace > craig > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: >> The Guru is not to be thought of as a mere man.There is no difference between Guru,Mantra and Deva.Guru is father,mother and Brahamam.Attached to this greatness there is however,responsibil ity;for the sins of the disciple recoil upon him.. >> According to the Saara sangraha a guru should examine and test the intending disciple for a year. >> The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation.Those who are lewd,adulterous, constantly addicted to sin,ignorant, slothful and devoid of religion should be rejected. >> Thd perfect saadhaka is he who is pure minded,whose senses are controlled,who is ever engaged in doing good to all beings,free from all notions of dualism,taking shelter with and living in supreme unity of the Brahman. >> I wish nothing from you >> ,it is only for academic interest I have joined as a member. >> I admire comments of the members on & quot;WILD GURU & quot;.. ..... Shrikant > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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