Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Namaste to all. . .just sharing some of what i have been processing concerning the issues of Guru. . . . Shrikant you might find this poem by Paramhansa Yogananda to be of interest with your dream?. . . . .it always help me to remember that Christ was the ultimate victor and not the victim. . .i too use to identify with the crucified Christ, the world has a way of doing to sensitive souls that desire Truth. . . in my humble opinion, we are all that One Christ Child and K Ma is birthing each us. . . I am a lover of the Divine Mother and so deeply trust She knows how to birth Her baby(s). . .the (s) is just a momentary illusion. . . . these exchanges of Guru and practices have been illuminating, for i too have been challenged to merge East and West with all of the seeming dualities. . .and in the process there were questions of practice from both directions that i could of allowed to squeezed me into pockets of fear and suspicion. . . ( side note to group, i am hoping that on some Saturday Night Deep thoughts by our beloved Deb will carry on a conversation between our inner East and West. . . for it is deep and surely one of the great divine comedys that K Ma, Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu, Brahman, Shiva, Kali Ma, Great Spirit and Jesus ever came up with). . . Brother, i have learned to hold all questions such as this with a true openness and a commitment to live into the answer rather than allowing the egoic to pull out the Big books and the centuries of interpretations of those books. . . and those are to be honored too. . . . but K Ma has taught if i go to Her directly and intimately with my questions and pure intent through prayer and silence She will show the way. . . She has taught me that it is impossible to call on Her or the Holy Spirit and not receive an answer. . . .my concerns of duality around Gurus (wild or true) and what practices are right or wrong have dissolved. . . .. my own confession, i have held an open question about whether Shaktipat should be initiated by an external force. . .it has been a space of inner holding and withstanding the tension of the opposites. . . .a couple of times almost left over this concern, for i was using the image of the rose, and if Kundalini is like the rose, and if there is an attempt to open that rose externally then surely the highest potential of that rose would likely not come forth?. . . .that was the energetic of my concern. . .When i would take it to K Ma in prayer, the answer was always said stay open and live into the answer. . . .i am sure my concerns where heighten by my experience after i had already gone through Kundalini Awakening and was energetically snared by the Church and taken through an attempt of egoic and energetic crucifixion. . . . that experience caused me to be spooky and not nearly as naive and innocent about Kundalini and yes there are unscrupulous people that hold themselves up to be Gurus and there are Kundalini skinwalkers out there. . . . but on the other side of that suffering and betrayal i now live in a sacred space that no longer does suffering. . .i am let with only a depth of thanksgiving for the grace of it all, for that experience took me exactly where i needed to be and so much closer to whom i am. . . it was all so perfect. . and truly it was my own karma returning in order to release. . . both negative and positive karma it is always brought forth to move us to the ground deeper than karma. . . .. i just want to say thanks for the ones that brought up the discussions of Guru, for it has left me with a foundation of deep knowing. . . .K Ma is the one that knows how to birth Her babies. . . .how hypocritical of me to trust my own process and not deeply trust K Ma to birth each person as She sees fit. . .for many of us we where K activated and awakened long before we came to this online ashram/forum. . . and there are some that have come in as directed by their own inner guidance and have asked to share shaktipat. . . as many paths as there are people. . .we only get sideways when we try to put our ways on others and then judge them if they do not adhere to us. . . i trust Chrism. i trust the members of the group. and most of all i trust K Ma. . . .K Ma that has been birthing babies through out all creation. . .how absurd of me to ever privately question any of this about Guru or practices. . . it is all Divine Mother/ K Ma. .. .and even when we do not know what we are doing, or even we think we know what we are doing. . .that has lots of egoic layers. . . for K Ma is within each person on this forum, and K Ma is the one that directs each persons path. . . concerning Shaktipat just like everything else. . .it is between K Ma and the individual. . . . this gathering of folks does not look like anything from the East or from the West. . . .each person has connection to their own source and inner power and the potential to create something new is great here. . .too often we have lived with the old model of placing new wine in old skins. . .this group is evolutionary and the new skins may not be about Guru, but rather the new skins may be about a gathering where we stand in true equality and equanimity with one and all. . . .honoring everyone in the circle. . . .and my sense is that has been a tremendous guide and blessing to all of us. . ..and there is much honor there from our hearts to his. . . but it seems the cleanest and least open to skirmish between herds if we just remember K Ma knows how to birth the babies. . . . we speak to others that which we me most to learn our self. . . Mamma know how She wants to birth her babies. . .and She brings to each person exactly the path they need. love and light ordinary sparrow Come To Me, O Christ O Christ—Thou rarest flower of hearts—Thou didst sail on the storm-tossed lake of prejudiced minds. Its evil-scented, gloomy thought-waves lashed Thy lily-tender soul. They crucified Thee with their evil. Yet Thou didst shed the aroma of goodness and forgiveness, and didst help them to be purified by remorse, so helping them to become attractively sweet-scented with Thine all-loving Flower-Soul. O Thou Great Lover of error-torn brothers—an unseen monument of the mightiest miracle of love was established in each heart when the magic wand of Thy voice uttered: " Forgive them, for they know not what they do. " Thou hast healed the cataract of hatred, and now we have grown to see: " Love thine enemies as thyself, for they are thy brothers—though sick and sleeping. " Thou hast taught us not to increase their delirious kicks of hatred by battering them with the bludgeons of revenge. Thine undying sympathy hath inspired us to heal and wake our brothers, suffering from the delirium of anger, by the soothing salve of our forgiveness. Thy crucifixion reminds us of the daily crucifixion of our fortitude by trials, of our wisdom by ignorance, of our self-control by the scathing hands of temptation, and of our love by misunderstanding. Thy test on the cross proved the victory of Thy wisdom over ignorance, of Thy soul over flesh, of Thy happiness over pain, and of Thy love over hatred. So are we heartened to bear our crosses bravely and pleasantly. Teach us to pour out sweetness when crucified by harshness, to bear with calmness the assault of worries, and to give understanding unceasingly to those who unjustly hate us. O Shepherd of Souls, wandering hearts are of themselves seeking the one fold of divine devotion. We have heard the ever-calling music of Thine infinite kindness. Our one desire is to be at home with Thee, to receive the Cosmic Father with joyous, open eyes of wisdom, and to know that we are all sons of our own One God. Teach us to conquer the Satan of dividing selfishness, which prevents the gathering of all brother-souls into the one fold of Spirit. Calling to one another by the watchword: " Love him who loves you, and love all who love you not, " let us rally beneath the canopy of the universal sense of Christ-Oneness. Amen. Whispers from Eternity A Book of Answered Prayers 1949 Edition by Paramhansa Yogananda <http://www.poetseers.org/spiritual_and_devotional_poets/ind/paramahansa\ _yogananda/> , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > Hi shrikant , behind every anger there is fear, that fear comes of feelings of being separated. It leaves a gaping hole, the hole is the desire to be back in the womb of kali, the all, oneness.We here have all gone through this pain and fear you now carry.It will transmute , your visions may be harsh , I quite often walk in hell , but we are here and will walk with you.Try if you can to allow the pain to release, just let it go. Scream cry whatever you have to do just let it come out of you and release it. > > much love > purple > > , shrikant phule shrikantphule@ wrote: > > > > Dear Purpole, > > Thank you for your opinion/interpretation > > I personally feel that due to discussions or arguments the vibrations caused may have lead to heavy bleeding of Jesus because I also felt the same pain not physical but agony he must have undergone > > Thanks again for ur mail.......shrikant. > > > > purple_firefly111 wrote: > > > > > > Hi shrikanth > > > I love being in the middle east, i spent quite a few years in Iraq (during it's troubles)i went through the deserts of Jordan with bedouins so that i could walk in the desert Jesus walked. I have a deep love of Iran and i speak Arabic and Persian. when i pray it is often to Allah because this fits for me as Allah is a light an energy. > > > why was Jesus bleeding? > > > this is my feminine view , my projection. > > > for women blood is a carrier of the life force, the place where the sacred feminine moves, if Jesus bled for me I'd take it as being allowed to see the force that is the mother behind the son. > > > For along time the great mother showed me images of blood, how she moved in spirals, it is beautiful to watch what she has to show you , > > > just relax into yourself and let her take you there without fear. > > > purple > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Chrism, > > >> After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord Jesus bleeding heavily during my > > >> meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in religion of humanity.My one > > >> sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my sister's daughter is married > > >> to a muslim. > > >> Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? > > >> Shrikanth > > >> > > >> --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> <@ ...> > > >> [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: GURU & SHISHYA > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > > >> Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the person. > > >> > > >> If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet they are human and they have every potential that any other human has.. This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. > > >> > > >> We must always discern our path from the point of love for everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - > > >> > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Ordinary Sparrow...I bow to you. You are eloquent to an extreme. Well said. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM, ordinarysparrow <ordinarysparrowwrote: > > > Namaste to all. . .just sharing some of what i have been processing > concerning the issues of Guru. . . . > > Shrikant you might find this poem by Paramhansa Yogananda to be of > interest with your dream?. . . . .it always help me to remember that > Christ was the ultimate victor and not the victim. . .i too use to > identify with the crucified Christ, the world has a way of doing to > sensitive souls that desire Truth. . . in my humble opinion, we are all > that One Christ Child and K Ma is birthing each us. . . I am a lover > of the Divine Mother and so deeply trust She knows how to birth Her > baby(s). . .the (s) is just a momentary illusion. . . . > > these exchanges of Guru and practices have been illuminating, for i too > have been challenged to merge East and West with all of the seeming > dualities. . .and in the process there were questions of practice from > both directions that i could of allowed to squeezed me into pockets of > fear and suspicion. . . > > ( side note to group, i am hoping that on some Saturday Night Deep > thoughts by our beloved Deb will carry on a conversation between our > inner East and West. . . for it is deep and surely one of the great > divine comedys that K Ma, Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu, Brahman, Shiva, Kali > Ma, Great Spirit and Jesus ever came up with). . . > > Brother, i have learned to hold all questions such as this with a true > openness and a commitment to live into the answer rather than allowing > the egoic to pull out the Big books and the centuries of interpretations > of those books. . . and those are to be honored too. . . . but K Ma has > taught if i go to Her directly and intimately with my questions and > pure intent through prayer and silence She will show the way. . . She > has taught me that it is impossible to call on Her or the Holy Spirit > and not receive an answer. . . .my concerns of duality around Gurus > (wild or true) and what practices are right or wrong have dissolved. . . > . > > my own confession, i have held an open question about whether Shaktipat > should be initiated by an external force. . .it has been a space of > inner holding and withstanding the tension of the opposites. . . .a > couple of times almost left over this concern, for i was using the > image of the rose, and if Kundalini is like the rose, and if there is an > attempt to open that rose externally then surely the highest potential > of that rose would likely not come forth?. . . .that was the energetic > of my concern. . .When i would take it to K Ma in prayer, the answer was > always said stay open and live into the answer. . . .i am sure my > concerns where heighten by my experience after i had already gone > through Kundalini Awakening and was energetically snared by the Church > and taken through an attempt of egoic and energetic crucifixion. . . . > that experience caused me to be spooky and not nearly as naive and > innocent about Kundalini and yes there are unscrupulous people that hold > themselves up to be Gurus and there are Kundalini skinwalkers out > there. . . . but on the other side of that suffering and betrayal i now > live in a sacred space that no longer does suffering. . .i am let with > only a depth of thanksgiving for the grace of it all, for that > experience took me exactly where i needed to be and so much closer to > whom i am. . . it was all so perfect. . and truly it was my own karma > returning in order to release. . . both negative and positive karma it > is always brought forth to move us to the ground deeper than karma. . . > . > > i just want to say thanks for the ones that brought up the discussions > of Guru, for it has left me with a foundation of deep knowing. . . .K Ma > is the one that knows how to birth Her babies. . . .how hypocritical of > me to trust my own process and not deeply trust K Ma to birth each > person as She sees fit. . .for many of us we where K activated and > awakened long before we came to this online ashram/forum. . . and there > are some that have come in as directed by their own inner guidance and > have asked to share shaktipat. . . as many paths as there are > people. . .we only get sideways when we try to put our ways on others > and then judge them if they do not adhere to us. . . > > i trust Chrism. > > i trust the members of the group. > > and most of all i trust K Ma. . . .K Ma that has been birthing babies > through out all creation. . .how absurd of me to ever privately question > any of this about Guru or practices. . . it is all Divine Mother/ K Ma. > . .and even when we do not know what we are doing, or even we think we > know what we are doing. . .that has lots of egoic layers. . . for K Ma > is within each person on this forum, and K Ma is the one that directs > each persons path. . . > > concerning Shaktipat just like everything else. . .it is between K Ma > and the individual. . . . this gathering of folks does not look like > anything from the East or from the West. . . .each person has connection > to their own source and inner power and the potential to create > something new is great here. . .too often we have lived with the old > model of placing new wine in old skins. . .this group is evolutionary > and the new skins may not be about Guru, but rather the new skins may be > about a gathering where we stand in true equality and equanimity with > one and all. . . .honoring everyone in the circle. . . .and my sense is > that has been a tremendous guide and blessing to all of us. . > .and there is much honor there from our hearts to his. . . but it seems > the cleanest and least open to skirmish between herds if we just > remember K Ma knows how to birth the babies. . . . > > we speak to others that which we me most to learn our self. . . Mamma > know how She wants to birth her babies. . .and She brings to each person > exactly the path they need. > > love and light > ordinary sparrow > Come To Me, O Christ > > O Christ—Thou rarest flower of hearts—Thou didst sail on the > storm-tossed lake of prejudiced minds. Its evil-scented, gloomy > thought-waves lashed Thy lily-tender soul. They crucified Thee with > their evil. Yet Thou didst shed the aroma of goodness and forgiveness, > and didst help them to be purified by remorse, so helping them to become > attractively sweet-scented with Thine all-loving Flower-Soul. > > O Thou Great Lover of error-torn brothers—an unseen monument of the > mightiest miracle of love was established in each heart when the magic > wand of Thy voice uttered: " Forgive them, for they know not what they > do. " > > Thou hast healed the cataract of hatred, and now we have grown to see: > " Love thine enemies as thyself, for they are thy brothers—though > sick and sleeping. " > > Thou hast taught us not to increase their delirious kicks of hatred by > battering them with the bludgeons of revenge. Thine undying sympathy > hath inspired us to heal and wake our brothers, suffering from the > delirium of anger, by the soothing salve of our forgiveness. > > Thy crucifixion reminds us of the daily crucifixion of our fortitude by > trials, of our wisdom by ignorance, of our self-control by the scathing > hands of temptation, and of our love by misunderstanding. > > Thy test on the cross proved the victory of Thy wisdom over ignorance, > of Thy soul over flesh, of Thy happiness over pain, and of Thy love over > hatred. So are we heartened to bear our crosses bravely and pleasantly. > Teach us to pour out sweetness when crucified by harshness, to bear with > calmness the assault of worries, and to give understanding unceasingly > to those who unjustly hate us. > > O Shepherd of Souls, wandering hearts are of themselves seeking the one > fold of divine devotion. We have heard the ever-calling music of Thine > infinite kindness. Our one desire is to be at home with Thee, to receive > the Cosmic Father with joyous, open eyes of wisdom, and to know that we > are all sons of our own One God. > > Teach us to conquer the Satan of dividing selfishness, which prevents > the gathering of all brother-souls into the one fold of Spirit. > > Calling to one another by the watchword: " Love him who loves you, and > love all who love you not, " let us rally beneath the canopy of the > universal sense of Christ-Oneness. Amen. > > Whispers from Eternity > A Book of Answered Prayers > 1949 Edition > > by Paramhansa Yogananda > <http://www.poetseers.org/spiritual_and_devotional_poets/ind/paramahansa\ > _yogananda/<http://www.poetseers.org/spiritual_and_devotional_poets/ind/paramaha\ nsa_yogananda/> > > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com> > , > " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > > > Hi shrikant , behind every anger there is fear, that fear comes of > feelings of being separated. It leaves a gaping hole, the hole is the > desire to be back in the womb of kali, the all, oneness.We here have all > gone through this pain and fear you now carry.It will transmute , your > visions may be harsh , I quite often walk in hell , but we are here and > will walk with you.Try if you can to allow the pain to release, just let > it go. Scream cry whatever you have to do just let it come out of you > and release it. > > > > much love > > purple > > > > --- In <%40ya\ hoogroups.com>, > shrikant phule > shrikantphule@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Purpole, > > > Thank you for your opinion/interpretation > > > I personally feel that due to discussions or arguments the > vibrations caused may have lead to heavy bleeding of Jesus because I > also felt the same pain not physical but agony he must have undergone > > > Thanks again for ur mail.......shrikant. > > > > > > purple_firefly111 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi shrikanth > > > > I love being in the middle east, i spent quite a few years in Iraq > (during it's troubles)i went through the deserts of Jordan with bedouins > so that i could walk in the desert Jesus walked. I have a deep love of > Iran and i speak Arabic and Persian. when i pray it is often to Allah > because this fits for me as Allah is a light an energy. > > > > why was Jesus bleeding? > > > > this is my feminine view , my projection. > > > > for women blood is a carrier of the life force, the place where > the sacred feminine moves, if Jesus bled for me I'd take it as being > allowed to see the force that is the mother behind the son. > > > > For along time the great mother showed me images of blood, how she > moved in spirals, it is beautiful to watch what she has to show you , > > > > just relax into yourself and let her take you there without fear. > > > > purple > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant > phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Chrism, > > > >> After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord > Jesus bleeding heavily during my > > > >> meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in > religion of humanity.My one > > > >> sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my > sister's daughter is married > > > >> to a muslim. > > > >> Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? > > > >> > Shrikanth > > > >> > > > >> --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> <@ ...> > > > >> [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: GURU & SHISHYA > > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > > > >> Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the > belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very > beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice > here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the > person. > > > >> > > > >> If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go > well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet > they are human and they have every potential that any other human has.. > This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. > > > >> > > > >> We must always discern our path from the point of love for > everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions > of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention > with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. > There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - > > > > >> > > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant > phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good > birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for > liberation. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like > you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear Ordinary sparrow,   Thanks for your letter.In my case I tried to awaken K ma from 1984.I only succeded in my painful journey only in 2001.My inner self was my Guru in this quest.This may be my programming.I am going to retire on 31st August 2009.I have joined this group so that I may add to my information their experiences.It is better to be in company of good people than my colleagues from police department,with whom I rarely mixup except while performing my duties.     I also believe everones journey in path of self realization is different,may be with or without external Guru.     I have read autobiography of Paramhansa Yoganand.Last January My daughter was married,My son in law had prepared invitation cards which had following..      Love is evolution's ameliorative call      To the far-strayed sons      TO Return to Perfection's home       It is the call of the beauty-robed ones       To worship the great beauty       It is the call of God       Through silent intelligences       And staebursts of feeling (Paramhansa Yoganand)                  shrikant --- On Wed, 12/8/09, ordinarysparrow <ordinarysparrow wrote: ordinarysparrow <ordinarysparrolw Re: GURU & SHISHYA Concerning K MA as Guru Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 4:01 AM  Namaste to all. . .just sharing some of what i have been processing concerning the issues of Guru. . . . Shrikant you might find this poem by Paramhansa Yogananda to be of interest with your dream?. . . . .it always help me to remember that Christ was the ultimate victor and not the victim. . .i too use to identify with the crucified Christ, the world has a way of doing to sensitive souls that desire Truth. . . in my humble opinion, we are all that One Christ Child and K Ma is birthing each us. . . I am a lover of the Divine Mother and so deeply trust She knows how to birth Her baby(s). . .the (s) is just a momentary illusion. . . . these exchanges of Guru and practices have been illuminating, for i too have been challenged to merge East and West with all of the seeming dualities. . .and in the process there were questions of practice from both directions that i could of allowed to squeezed me into pockets of fear and suspicion. . . ( side note to group, i am hoping that on some Saturday Night Deep thoughts by our beloved Deb will carry on a conversation between our inner East and West. . . for it is deep and surely one of the great divine comedys that K Ma, Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu, Brahman, Shiva, Kali Ma, Great Spirit and Jesus ever came up with). . . Brother, i have learned to hold all questions such as this with a true openness and a commitment to live into the answer rather than allowing the egoic to pull out the Big books and the centuries of interpretations of those books. . . and those are to be honored too. . . . but K Ma has taught if i go to Her directly and intimately with my questions and pure intent through prayer and silence She will show the way. . . She has taught me that it is impossible to call on Her or the Holy Spirit and not receive an answer. . . .my concerns of duality around Gurus (wild or true) and what practices are right or wrong have dissolved. . . ... my own confession, i have held an open question about whether Shaktipat should be initiated by an external force. . .it has been a space of inner holding and withstanding the tension of the opposites. . . .a couple of times almost left over this concern, for i was using the image of the rose, and if Kundalini is like the rose, and if there is an attempt to open that rose externally then surely the highest potential of that rose would likely not come forth?. . . .that was the energetic of my concern. . .When i would take it to K Ma in prayer, the answer was always said stay open and live into the answer. . . .i am sure my concerns where heighten by my experience after i had already gone through Kundalini Awakening and was energetically snared by the Church and taken through an attempt of egoic and energetic crucifixion. . . . that experience caused me to be spooky and not nearly as naive and innocent about Kundalini and yes there are unscrupulous people that hold themselves up to be Gurus and there are Kundalini skinwalkers out there. . . . but on the other side of that suffering and betrayal i now live in a sacred space that no longer does suffering. . .i am let with only a depth of thanksgiving for the grace of it all, for that experience took me exactly where i needed to be and so much closer to whom i am. . . it was all so perfect. . and truly it was my own karma returning in order to release. . . both negative and positive karma it is always brought forth to move us to the ground deeper than karma. . . ... i just want to say thanks for the ones that brought up the discussions of Guru, for it has left me with a foundation of deep knowing. . . .K Ma is the one that knows how to birth Her babies. . . .how hypocritical of me to trust my own process and not deeply trust K Ma to birth each person as She sees fit. . .for many of us we where K activated and awakened long before we came to this online ashram/forum. . . and there are some that have come in as directed by their own inner guidance and have asked to share shaktipat. . . as many paths as there are people. . .we only get sideways when we try to put our ways on others and then judge them if they do not adhere to us. . . i trust Chrism. i trust the members of the group. and most of all i trust K Ma. . . .K Ma that has been birthing babies through out all creation. . .how absurd of me to ever privately question any of this about Guru or practices. . . it is all Divine Mother/ K Ma. ... .and even when we do not know what we are doing, or even we think we know what we are doing. . .that has lots of egoic layers. . . for K Ma is within each person on this forum, and K Ma is the one that directs each persons path. . . concerning Shaktipat just like everything else. . .it is between K Ma and the individual. . . . this gathering of folks does not look like anything from the East or from the West. . . .each person has connection to their own source and inner power and the potential to create something new is great here. . .too often we have lived with the old model of placing new wine in old skins. . .this group is evolutionary and the new skins may not be about Guru, but rather the new skins may be about a gathering where we stand in true equality and equanimity with one and all. . . .honoring everyone in the circle. . . .and my sense is that has been a tremendous guide and blessing to all of us. . ...and there is much honor there from our hearts to his. . . but it seems the cleanest and least open to skirmish between herds if we just remember K Ma knows how to birth the babies. . . . we speak to others that which we me most to learn our self. . . Mamma know how She wants to birth her babies. . .and She brings to each person exactly the path they need. love and light ordinary sparrow Come To Me, O Christ O Christ—Thou rarest flower of hearts—Thou didst sail on the storm-tossed lake of prejudiced minds. Its evil-scented, gloomy thought-waves lashed Thy lily-tender soul. They crucified Thee with their evil. Yet Thou didst shed the aroma of goodness and forgiveness, and didst help them to be purified by remorse, so helping them to become attractively sweet-scented with Thine all-loving Flower-Soul. O Thou Great Lover of error-torn brothers—an unseen monument of the mightiest miracle of love was established in each heart when the magic wand of Thy voice uttered: " Forgive them, for they know not what they do. " Thou hast healed the cataract of hatred, and now we have grown to see: " Love thine enemies as thyself, for they are thy brothers—though sick and sleeping. " Thou hast taught us not to increase their delirious kicks of hatred by battering them with the bludgeons of revenge. Thine undying sympathy hath inspired us to heal and wake our brothers, suffering from the delirium of anger, by the soothing salve of our forgiveness. Thy crucifixion reminds us of the daily crucifixion of our fortitude by trials, of our wisdom by ignorance, of our self-control by the scathing hands of temptation, and of our love by misunderstanding. Thy test on the cross proved the victory of Thy wisdom over ignorance, of Thy soul over flesh, of Thy happiness over pain, and of Thy love over hatred. So are we heartened to bear our crosses bravely and pleasantly. Teach us to pour out sweetness when crucified by harshness, to bear with calmness the assault of worries, and to give understanding unceasingly to those who unjustly hate us. O Shepherd of Souls, wandering hearts are of themselves seeking the one fold of divine devotion. We have heard the ever-calling music of Thine infinite kindness. Our one desire is to be at home with Thee, to receive the Cosmic Father with joyous, open eyes of wisdom, and to know that we are all sons of our own One God. Teach us to conquer the Satan of dividing selfishness, which prevents the gathering of all brother-souls into the one fold of Spirit. Calling to one another by the watchword: " Love him who loves you, and love all who love you not, " let us rally beneath the canopy of the universal sense of Christ-Oneness. Amen. Whispers from Eternity A Book of Answered Prayers 1949 Edition by Paramhansa Yogananda <http://www.poetseer s.org/spiritual_ and_devotional_ poets/ind/ paramahansa\ _yogananda/> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111@ ...> wrote: > > Hi shrikant , behind every anger there is fear, that fear comes of feelings of being separated. It leaves a gaping hole, the hole is the desire to be back in the womb of kali, the all, oneness.We here have all gone through this pain and fear you now carry.It will transmute , your visions may be harsh , I quite often walk in hell , but we are here and will walk with you.Try if you can to allow the pain to release, just let it go. Scream cry whatever you have to do just let it come out of you and release it. > > much love > purple > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule shrikantphule@ wrote: > > > > Dear Purpole, > > Thank you for your opinion/interpretat ion > > I personally feel that due to discussions or arguments the vibrations caused may have lead to heavy bleeding of Jesus because I also felt the same pain not physical but agony he must have undergone > > Thanks again for ur mail.......shrikant . > > > > purple_firefly111 wrote: > > > > > > Hi shrikanth > > > I love being in the middle east, i spent quite a few years in Iraq (during it's troubles)i went through the deserts of Jordan with bedouins so that i could walk in the desert Jesus walked. I have a deep love of Iran and i speak Arabic and Persian. when i pray it is often to Allah because this fits for me as Allah is a light an energy. > > > why was Jesus bleeding? > > > this is my feminine view , my projection. > > > for women blood is a carrier of the life force, the place where the sacred feminine moves, if Jesus bled for me I'd take it as being allowed to see the force that is the mother behind the son. > > > For along time the great mother showed me images of blood, how she moved in spirals, it is beautiful to watch what she has to show you , > > > just relax into yourself and let her take you there without fear. > > > purple > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Chrism, > > >> After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord Jesus bleeding heavily during my > > >> meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in religion of humanity.My one > > >> sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my sister's daughter is married > > >> to a muslim. > > >> Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? > > >> Shrikanth > > >> > > >> --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> <@ ...> > > >> [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: GURU & SHISHYA > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > > >> Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the person. > > >> > > >> If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet they are human and they have every potential that any other human has.. This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. > > >> > > >> We must always discern our path from the point of love for everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - > > >> > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for liberation. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Namaste Dear Ordinary Sparrow, thank you for writing this..These lines ring true for me. >>it has been a space of > inner holding and withstanding the tension of the opposites. . . .a > couple of times almost left over this concern, for i was using the > image of the rose, and if Kundalini is like the rose, and if there is an > attempt to open that rose externally then surely the highest potential > of that rose would likely not come forth?. . . .that was the energetic > of my concern. . .When i would take it to K Ma in prayer, the answer was > always said stay open and live into the answer. that ability to recognize, feel and hold the inner tension has been such a key for my path as well.. I feel humbled reading your post. My reading is one of sinking into, of feeling into the space free of suffering you speak from, and the space of devotion and surrender to Christ. This is a wonderful example for me as continue to work on my own relationship to Christ of devotion and surrender.. Again your words are a good guide as to how to begin to embody the qualities which shine from you.. " take it to K Ma in prayer, and stay open and live the answer " Its a blessing to be with you, Sparrow.. love Bruce , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > Namaste to all. . .just sharing some of what i have been processing > concerning the issues of Guru. . . . > > Shrikant you might find this poem by Paramhansa Yogananda to be of > interest with your dream?. . . . .it always help me to remember that > Christ was the ultimate victor and not the victim. . .i too use to > identify with the crucified Christ, the world has a way of doing to > sensitive souls that desire Truth. . . in my humble opinion, we are all > that One Christ Child and K Ma is birthing each us. . . I am a lover > of the Divine Mother and so deeply trust She knows how to birth Her > baby(s). . .the (s) is just a momentary illusion. . . . > > these exchanges of Guru and practices have been illuminating, for i too > have been challenged to merge East and West with all of the seeming > dualities. . .and in the process there were questions of practice from > both directions that i could of allowed to squeezed me into pockets of > fear and suspicion. . . > > ( side note to group, i am hoping that on some Saturday Night Deep > thoughts by our beloved Deb will carry on a conversation between our > inner East and West. . . for it is deep and surely one of the great > divine comedys that K Ma, Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu, Brahman, Shiva, Kali > Ma, Great Spirit and Jesus ever came up with). . . > > Brother, i have learned to hold all questions such as this with a true > openness and a commitment to live into the answer rather than allowing > the egoic to pull out the Big books and the centuries of interpretations > of those books. . . and those are to be honored too. . . . but K Ma has > taught if i go to Her directly and intimately with my questions and > pure intent through prayer and silence She will show the way. . . She > has taught me that it is impossible to call on Her or the Holy Spirit > and not receive an answer. . . .my concerns of duality around Gurus > (wild or true) and what practices are right or wrong have dissolved. . . > . > > my own confession, i have held an open question about whether Shaktipat > should be initiated by an external force. . .it has been a space of > inner holding and withstanding the tension of the opposites. . . .a > couple of times almost left over this concern, for i was using the > image of the rose, and if Kundalini is like the rose, and if there is an > attempt to open that rose externally then surely the highest potential > of that rose would likely not come forth?. . . .that was the energetic > of my concern. . .When i would take it to K Ma in prayer, the answer was > always said stay open and live into the answer. . . .i am sure my > concerns where heighten by my experience after i had already gone > through Kundalini Awakening and was energetically snared by the Church > and taken through an attempt of egoic and energetic crucifixion. . . . > that experience caused me to be spooky and not nearly as naive and > innocent about Kundalini and yes there are unscrupulous people that hold > themselves up to be Gurus and there are Kundalini skinwalkers out > there. . . . but on the other side of that suffering and betrayal i now > live in a sacred space that no longer does suffering. . .i am let with > only a depth of thanksgiving for the grace of it all, for that > experience took me exactly where i needed to be and so much closer to > whom i am. . . it was all so perfect. . and truly it was my own karma > returning in order to release. . . both negative and positive karma it > is always brought forth to move us to the ground deeper than karma. . . > . > > i just want to say thanks for the ones that brought up the discussions > of Guru, for it has left me with a foundation of deep knowing. . . .K Ma > is the one that knows how to birth Her babies. . . .how hypocritical of > me to trust my own process and not deeply trust K Ma to birth each > person as She sees fit. . .for many of us we where K activated and > awakened long before we came to this online ashram/forum. . . and there > are some that have come in as directed by their own inner guidance and > have asked to share shaktipat. . . as many paths as there are > people. . .we only get sideways when we try to put our ways on others > and then judge them if they do not adhere to us. . . > > i trust Chrism. > > i trust the members of the group. > > and most of all i trust K Ma. . . .K Ma that has been birthing babies > through out all creation. . .how absurd of me to ever privately question > any of this about Guru or practices. . . it is all Divine Mother/ K Ma. > . .and even when we do not know what we are doing, or even we think we > know what we are doing. . .that has lots of egoic layers. . . for K Ma > is within each person on this forum, and K Ma is the one that directs > each persons path. . . > > concerning Shaktipat just like everything else. . .it is between K Ma > and the individual. . . . this gathering of folks does not look like > anything from the East or from the West. . . .each person has connection > to their own source and inner power and the potential to create > something new is great here. . .too often we have lived with the old > model of placing new wine in old skins. . .this group is evolutionary > and the new skins may not be about Guru, but rather the new skins may be > about a gathering where we stand in true equality and equanimity with > one and all. . . .honoring everyone in the circle. . . .and my sense is > that has been a tremendous guide and blessing to all of us. . > .and there is much honor there from our hearts to his. . . but it seems > the cleanest and least open to skirmish between herds if we just > remember K Ma knows how to birth the babies. . . . > > we speak to others that which we me most to learn our self. . . Mamma > know how She wants to birth her babies. . .and She brings to each person > exactly the path they need. > > love and light > ordinary sparrow > Come To Me, O Christ > > O Christ—Thou rarest flower of hearts—Thou didst sail on the > storm-tossed lake of prejudiced minds. Its evil-scented, gloomy > thought-waves lashed Thy lily-tender soul. They crucified Thee with > their evil. Yet Thou didst shed the aroma of goodness and forgiveness, > and didst help them to be purified by remorse, so helping them to become > attractively sweet-scented with Thine all-loving Flower-Soul. > > O Thou Great Lover of error-torn brothers—an unseen monument of the > mightiest miracle of love was established in each heart when the magic > wand of Thy voice uttered: " Forgive them, for they know not what they > do. " > > Thou hast healed the cataract of hatred, and now we have grown to see: > " Love thine enemies as thyself, for they are thy brothers—though > sick and sleeping. " > > Thou hast taught us not to increase their delirious kicks of hatred by > battering them with the bludgeons of revenge. Thine undying sympathy > hath inspired us to heal and wake our brothers, suffering from the > delirium of anger, by the soothing salve of our forgiveness. > > Thy crucifixion reminds us of the daily crucifixion of our fortitude by > trials, of our wisdom by ignorance, of our self-control by the scathing > hands of temptation, and of our love by misunderstanding. > > Thy test on the cross proved the victory of Thy wisdom over ignorance, > of Thy soul over flesh, of Thy happiness over pain, and of Thy love over > hatred. So are we heartened to bear our crosses bravely and pleasantly. > Teach us to pour out sweetness when crucified by harshness, to bear with > calmness the assault of worries, and to give understanding unceasingly > to those who unjustly hate us. > > O Shepherd of Souls, wandering hearts are of themselves seeking the one > fold of divine devotion. We have heard the ever-calling music of Thine > infinite kindness. Our one desire is to be at home with Thee, to receive > the Cosmic Father with joyous, open eyes of wisdom, and to know that we > are all sons of our own One God. > > Teach us to conquer the Satan of dividing selfishness, which prevents > the gathering of all brother-souls into the one fold of Spirit. > > Calling to one another by the watchword: " Love him who loves you, and > love all who love you not, " let us rally beneath the canopy of the > universal sense of Christ-Oneness. Amen. > > > > Whispers from Eternity > A Book of Answered Prayers > 1949 Edition > > by Paramhansa Yogananda > <http://www.poetseers.org/spiritual_and_devotional_poets/ind/paramahansa\ > _yogananda/> > > > > , > " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111@> wrote: > > > > Hi shrikant , behind every anger there is fear, that fear comes of > feelings of being separated. It leaves a gaping hole, the hole is the > desire to be back in the womb of kali, the all, oneness.We here have all > gone through this pain and fear you now carry.It will transmute , your > visions may be harsh , I quite often walk in hell , but we are here and > will walk with you.Try if you can to allow the pain to release, just let > it go. Scream cry whatever you have to do just let it come out of you > and release it. > > > > much love > > purple > > > > , shrikant phule > shrikantphule@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Purpole, > > > Thank you for your opinion/interpretation > > > I personally feel that due to discussions or arguments the > vibrations caused may have lead to heavy bleeding of Jesus because I > also felt the same pain not physical but agony he must have undergone > > > Thanks again for ur mail.......shrikant. > > > > > > purple_firefly111 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi shrikanth > > > > I love being in the middle east, i spent quite a few years in Iraq > (during it's troubles)i went through the deserts of Jordan with bedouins > so that i could walk in the desert Jesus walked. I have a deep love of > Iran and i speak Arabic and Persian. when i pray it is often to Allah > because this fits for me as Allah is a light an energy. > > > > why was Jesus bleeding? > > > > this is my feminine view , my projection. > > > > for women blood is a carrier of the life force, the place where > the sacred feminine moves, if Jesus bled for me I'd take it as being > allowed to see the force that is the mother behind the son. > > > > For along time the great mother showed me images of blood, how she > moved in spirals, it is beautiful to watch what she has to show you , > > > > just relax into yourself and let her take you there without fear. > > > > purple > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant > phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Chrism, > > > >> After my discussion/argument etc I saw Lord > Jesus bleeding heavily during my > > > >> meditation yesterday.As far as I am concerned I believe in > religion of humanity.My one > > > >> sister is married to a Christain,one aunty is Buddhist,one of my > sister's daughter is married > > > >> to a muslim. > > > >> Can you state why Jesus was bleeding? > > > >> > Shrikanth > > > >> > > > >> --- On Sun, 9/8/09, chrism <@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> <@ ...> > > > >> [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: GURU & SHISHYA > > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > > > >> Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:09 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Yes these are some of the treasured traditions of some of the > belief systems of India. Some of these traditions I feel are very > beneficial and do show that preparation and discernment as we practice > here are indeed positive and constructive in there effect upon the > person. > > > >> > > > >> If you have birth within an accepted social context things can go > well. If you are a " Dalit " things can be much more difficult. And yet > they are human and they have every potential that any other human has.. > This is merely one example of where I take a different approach. > > > >> > > > >> We must always discern our path from the point of love for > everything and everyone. This approach may not fit the social conditions > of a specific society and that is fine. We just dont attract attention > with it. There is no " " one way " to enlightenment with the Kundalini. > There are many ways. Embrace that which you feel suits your dynamic. - > > > > >> > > > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant > phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > The qualification of a good disciple are stated as good > birth,purity of soul and capacity of enjoyment combined with desire for > liberation. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like > you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Beautifully expressed O Sparrow! Truly I wonder at your goodness. Namaste dearest sister. , " ordinarysparrow " <ordinarysparrow wrote: > > Calling to one another by the watchword: " Love him who loves you, and > love all who love you not, " let us rally beneath the canopy of the > universal sense of Christ-Oneness. Amen. > > > > Whispers from Eternity > A Book of Answered Prayers > 1949 Edition > > by Paramhansa Yogananda > <http://www.poetseers.org/spiritual_and_devotional_poets/ind/paramahansa\ > _yogananda/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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