Underachievers - Bill

[Guest guest]

There really isnt under achieving with Kundalini Bill. There is no achievement.

Kundalini is doing the work in reality and we as individuals can be in a

constant state of learning how to open and flow with that work that she does.

You are doing fine Bill! No worries and much love to you and family! - chrism

 

, " phoenix.ing9 "

<phoenix.ing9 wrote:

>

> ok, still have some issues with that but here's a story I've enjoyed:

[Guest guest]

Every gift that has been on your mind regarding opportunities missed or

intellect not used. These are messages to you. Use these gifts and allow the

natural exaltation of the Kundalini to amplify them. - blessings Bill. - chrism

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill, Craig and all others who have written in this discussion..

 

I was thinking about this today, after Craig emailed me about something... and I

felt like throwing my few cents in to the bubbling mix..

 

I love the woods to0. I love nature, the outdoors, and I also love the city.. I

find it all fascinating and beautiful. I went through a period a while back of

totally falling in love with nature, and becoming almost addicted to being out

in the wild, where I would enjoy peace and wellbeing. At that time I kind of

rejected the city, and looking back now, I realize that the deep relaxation I

enjoyed in nature was kind of a pre-enlightenment, an experience of relaxing

deeply and happiness just shining out..

 

I made the mistake of becoming attached to nature as the source of my happiness,

and my spiritual path has been about learning how to relax deeply enough, at all

times, to let my natural happiness shine and for Spirit to always be my source,

my home, my refuge, my freedom and my bliss, my healing and my peace....

 

What comes to mind initially is the Buddhist notion of 'Flee the many, find the

One, and having found the One, return to the Many'. My understanding of this is

that the notion that the seperate self will find fullfillment in achievements,

accumulation, success, opinions or the projects of the ego has to be seen to be

illusion. Instead, recognize and accept that ones Being, Spirit, ones center and

the center of all things, contains the inherent fullness and perfection that we

seek, and any attachement to any movement or strategy of the ego, results in

suffering. In a nutshell, relax.. haha.. (or, as Ramana Maharshi put it, 'The

world is illusion, God alone is real, God is the world')

 

For me, fleeing the many meant giving up the notion that happiness was to be

'found anywhere'; its what I am..

 

and this leads into underachievment, and 'returning to the many' and chopping

wood and carrying water. In my healing process as I have found increasing

confidence in my Being, many of my old hurts, failures and shame had to be

opened up to and confronted, and that was often something I had habitually

avoided for a long time. I didnt like to see that I had failed at many things,

and I had to be truthful with myself that I hadnt really always applied

myself,that failure was a part of me which I wanted to reject, and there was a

part of me that had wished for more success, and i had to honor that. I needed

to let that be ok, I needed to drop the inner critic of my history and of the

demands of family and culture and accept that for whatever reason and whatever

path I had followed, I was where I was and I liked what I liked and had done

what I had done.. ( including the woods... )

 

And now, having gone through the painful process of relinquishing any hold the

world and its demands or its pleasures and fears hold on me? After having found

the One (or rather, having stopped running from the One.. haha) and now

returning to the many? If I am authentically committed to the service of others,

coming from a place of liberated enlightened awareness and not a place of egoic

idealization of service, then I will want to do the very best I can to help

others. That may mean becoming the best I can be, of developing latent talents,

of expanding my capabilities, of bringing excellence and dedication into what I

want to do, because I want to do the best I can to help. The call from here is

to identify and use my talents to make a better world, and to honor that as an

internally felt drive coming from the creative impulse, from Eros, to be an

agent for transformation in the world.

 

From that recognition, past failure or underachievement doesnt matter, and

staying focused on that or on comparisons is a hang up of the ego. Yes, open to

the emotions and heal what needs to be healed, and then get on with it. Get on

with achieving for the God from now...

 

This post is not directed at anyone or meant to be a 'I know what is right'

post. This is my process too, and I am also wrestling with how best to apply

myself from now that I may have the best impact on the world, and do it in such

a way that the ego doesnt jump on the bandwagon. I am aware of how my history

wants to direct my thinking, and I am putting in energy to choose a new

future..A useful practice is Karma Yoga, or yoga in action, teh process which

follows here..

 

Karma Yoga is the yoga of work and action and service in the world where daily

activities are transformed into a contemplative practice. The essence of Karma

Yoga is: 1) dedicating whatever you're doing to a higher goal (traditionally

offering it to God); and 2) while simultaneously relinquishing attachment to the

outcome.

1. Stopping what you are doing

2. Coming into the present moment

3. Setting your intention & dedicating the activity

4. Doing the activity as impeccably as you can (committing to impeccability –

giving yourself 100% to the activity)

5. Bringing as much awareness at you can to your experience and monitoring all

the reactions that come up

6. Consciously working with those reactions

7. Attempting to release attachment to how things are going (i.e., to results)

8. Taking time to reflect and learn about the whole process

9. Offering or dedicating the benefits

 

One can practice karma yoga in all of life's activities – at work, doing the

dishes, through service work, in relationships, etc.

 

Love and success.

Bruce

 

 

>

> I'm sorry I don't follow.

>

> How can we go from missed opportunities and unused intellect to making or

calling those gifts?

>

> Please help me to understand, Chrism, I do want to help others.

> Bill

>

>

> , " chrism " <@>

wrote:

> >

> > Every gift that has been on your mind regarding opportunities missed or

intellect not used. These are messages to you. Use these gifts and allow the

natural exaltation of the Kundalini to amplify them. - blessings Bill. - chrism

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Based upon what you have written that you have felt in regards to this subject:

Learn something " new " on purpose.

 

Learn by intention as many new things and as much as you can learn and still be

within your time commitments. Take a class. Make your own class.

 

Make the commitment to expand and use that which may not be used to the degree

your conscious feels is needed or what you are able to express and hold. Make it

something you are interested in and yet do not know.

 

In this way you are " expanding " your natural gifts to be exalted by the

Kundalini gifts. This will increase your " opportunities " and the choices within

those opportunities. Which increases your interactions with life through the

knowledge you have learned. -

[Guest guest]

/sigh

 

If your goal is to make me look stupid, congratulations, LMAO!

I think I understand most of what you're saying though.

 

My birth gifts would be 'to be inquisitive'. My K gifts? I don't know yet.

 

So you're saying I;m on this path that is relatively unchallenging so it frees

up time and cranium space to use K related gifts for the benefit of others? I

can follow that. And I like that, a lot.

 

Well, I am interested in MANY things, rocket science, astronomy, telescope

building, photography, web-surfing lol, gaming, exercising (although you would

never know it), motorcycles, outdoors, family activities, woodworking,

billiards, darts........... What can I do with those " talents " to help others?

Although you did say " learn something new " also.

 

Thank you EVERYONE for your replies, I am getting quite a better picture.

 

Love Bill

 

 

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> Based upon what you have written that you have felt in regards to this

subject: Learn something " new " on purpose.

>

> Learn by intention as many new things and as much as you can learn and still

be within your time commitments. Take a class. Make your own class.

>

> Make the commitment to expand and use that which may not be used to the degree

your conscious feels is needed or what you are able to express and hold. Make it

something you are interested in and yet do not know.

>

> In this way you are " expanding " your natural gifts to be exalted by the

Kundalini gifts. This will increase your " opportunities " and the choices within

those opportunities. Which increases your interactions with life through the

knowledge you have learned. -

>

[Guest guest]

expanding yourself helps you and helps others even if only inadvertently.

IMO, I'd say start with an exercise you enjoy (since you alluded to it not being

something you do often but like).

 

Blessings,

Maggie

 

 

>exercising (although you would never know it), motorcycles, outdoors, family

activities, woodworking, billiards, darts........... What can I do with those

" talents " to help others? Although you did say " learn something new " also.

>

> Thank you EVERYONE for your replies, I am getting quite a better picture.

>

> Love Bill

[Guest guest]

You are not stupid as far as I can determine! We are all able to do more but

choose not too. Its really not about the ego aspects though. It is about the

expansion aspects imho. - blessings Bill. - chrism

 

 

-

[Guest guest]

Hello Chrism,

 

This is how I have been feeling, lately.  A few months after I began to realize

the multi-dimensional aspects of the universe, there were more openings in the

body.  Massage or healing touch is something I've been practicing over the years

and this recent transformation gave me a much greater awareness of my energy

fields.  One of my goals now is to take a massage therapy course.  The energy I

have from practicing yoga is obviously a great background for massage.

 

It is somewhat odd I guess but I don't really have any plans to achieve

anything, but inside there is a sense that I should learn message and have that

ability to be able to offer healing to others. 

 

Love and Light

KB

 

 

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Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:47:59 PM

Re: Underachievers - Bill

 

 

Every gift that has been on your mind regarding opportunities missed or

intellect not used. These are messages to you. Use these gifts and allow the

natural exaltation of the Kundalini to amplify them. - blessings Bill. - chrism

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

thanks Bruce, and I agree, I've realized through this experience that if I were

truly put into a physical place that was paradise, I wouldn't be able to enjoy

it fully if I still perceived a hell elsewhere because I would always feel

afraid on some level that I would be taken out of paradise and thrown into hell.

 

I've gone through a lot of feelings of guilt for my post earlier, and I just

want to say that I wasn't directing it to you Bill or your friend, I was and

still kind of am frustrated at returning to my home town after 8 years and most

of the forest is gone and the rest that is still here up for sale for commercial

use, it's just horrible what has been done and is continually being done to the

eastern woodlands, with no signs of stopping...(I don't think I have problems

with the city atmosphere itself, but the excessive and continual tearing down of

the forests for strip malls and one more Starbucks across the street from

another Starbucks...when does it end? when we run out of forest and wildlife?)

 

But anyways, I've wanted to so bad delete my first post in this thread but have

not so as to not cover up my feelings of guilt and pretend like I did not say

what I did. I know it sounds like I'm being too hard on myself, my feelings of

guilt were way out of proportion of what I said but rather I've realized I've

carried around this huge cloud of guilt for most of my life and I needed to feel

it in it's entirety so that this scar can be healed. Probably still have more

triggering events on the way, lol, well this wasn't a triggering event for my

guilt, I brought that up to the surface with my reaction, but still...

 

love to you all

craig

 

 

 

 

 

, " bruce_oom "

<bruce_oom wrote:

>

>

> Hi Bill, Craig and all others who have written in this discussion..

>

> I was thinking about this today, after Craig emailed me about something... and

I felt like throwing my few cents in to the bubbling mix..

>

> I love the woods to0. I love nature, the outdoors, and I also love the city..

I find it all fascinating and beautiful. I went through a period a while back of

totally falling in love with nature, and becoming almost addicted to being out

in the wild, where I would enjoy peace and wellbeing. At that time I kind of

rejected the city, and looking back now, I realize that the deep relaxation I

enjoyed in nature was kind of a pre-enlightenment, an experience of relaxing

deeply and happiness just shining out..

>

> I made the mistake of becoming attached to nature as the source of my

happiness, and my spiritual path has been about learning how to relax deeply

enough, at all times, to let my natural happiness shine and for Spirit to always

be my source, my home, my refuge, my freedom and my bliss, my healing and my

peace....

>

> What comes to mind initially is the Buddhist notion of 'Flee the many, find

the One, and having found the One, return to the Many'. My understanding of this

is that the notion that the seperate self will find fullfillment in

achievements, accumulation, success, opinions or the projects of the ego has to

be seen to be illusion. Instead, recognize and accept that ones Being, Spirit,

ones center and the center of all things, contains the inherent fullness and

perfection that we seek, and any attachement to any movement or strategy of the

ego, results in suffering. In a nutshell, relax.. haha.. (or, as Ramana Maharshi

put it, 'The world is illusion, God alone is real, God is the world')

>

> For me, fleeing the many meant giving up the notion that happiness was to be

'found anywhere'; its what I am..

>

> and this leads into underachievment, and 'returning to the many' and chopping

wood and carrying water. In my healing process as I have found increasing

confidence in my Being, many of my old hurts, failures and shame had to be

opened up to and confronted, and that was often something I had habitually

avoided for a long time. I didnt like to see that I had failed at many things,

and I had to be truthful with myself that I hadnt really always applied

myself,that failure was a part of me which I wanted to reject, and there was a

part of me that had wished for more success, and i had to honor that. I needed

to let that be ok, I needed to drop the inner critic of my history and of the

demands of family and culture and accept that for whatever reason and whatever

path I had followed, I was where I was and I liked what I liked and had done

what I had done.. ( including the woods... )

>

> And now, having gone through the painful process of relinquishing any hold the

world and its demands or its pleasures and fears hold on me? After having found

the One (or rather, having stopped running from the One.. haha) and now

returning to the many? If I am authentically committed to the service of others,

coming from a place of liberated enlightened awareness and not a place of egoic

idealization of service, then I will want to do the very best I can to help

others. That may mean becoming the best I can be, of developing latent talents,

of expanding my capabilities, of bringing excellence and dedication into what I

want to do, because I want to do the best I can to help. The call from here is

to identify and use my talents to make a better world, and to honor that as an

internally felt drive coming from the creative impulse, from Eros, to be an

agent for transformation in the world.

>

> From that recognition, past failure or underachievement doesnt matter, and

staying focused on that or on comparisons is a hang up of the ego. Yes, open to

the emotions and heal what needs to be healed, and then get on with it. Get on

with achieving for the God from now...

>

> This post is not directed at anyone or meant to be a 'I know what is right'

post. This is my process too, and I am also wrestling with how best to apply

myself from now that I may have the best impact on the world, and do it in such

a way that the ego doesnt jump on the bandwagon. I am aware of how my history

wants to direct my thinking, and I am putting in energy to choose a new

future..A useful practice is Karma Yoga, or yoga in action, teh process which

follows here..

>

> Karma Yoga is the yoga of work and action and service in the world where daily

activities are transformed into a contemplative practice. The essence of Karma

Yoga is: 1) dedicating whatever you're doing to a higher goal (traditionally

offering it to God); and 2) while simultaneously relinquishing attachment to the

outcome.

> 1. Stopping what you are doing

> 2. Coming into the present moment

> 3. Setting your intention & dedicating the activity

> 4. Doing the activity as impeccably as you can (committing to impeccability –

giving yourself 100% to the activity)

> 5. Bringing as much awareness at you can to your experience and monitoring all

the reactions that come up

> 6. Consciously working with those reactions

> 7. Attempting to release attachment to how things are going (i.e., to results)

> 8. Taking time to reflect and learn about the whole process

> 9. Offering or dedicating the benefits

>

> One can practice karma yoga in all of life's activities – at work, doing the

dishes, through service work, in relationships, etc.

>

> Love and success.

> Bruce

>

>

> >

> > I'm sorry I don't follow.

> >

> > How can we go from missed opportunities and unused intellect to making or

calling those gifts?

> >

> > Please help me to understand, Chrism, I do want to help others.

> > Bill

> >

> >

> > , " chrism "

<@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Every gift that has been on your mind regarding opportunities missed or

intellect not used. These are messages to you. Use these gifts and allow the

natural exaltation of the Kundalini to amplify them. - blessings Bill. - chrism

> > >

> >

>