Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Is this what you are referring to Skoogle? Depends upon how you are using the word deliverance Skoogle. Deliverance from the physical expression? Deliverance from the bondage of continued lives of reincarnation? Tell me what your meaning is. In Christianity it can mean a certain set of specific qualities. In other belief systems it can mean other qualities. In some Indian beliefs, Moksha or Mukti, can mean or indicate release from the cycle of death and rebirth or reincarnation and all of the suffering and limitation of worldly existence. For some " deliverance " , can indicate the individual soul is as realized through the Kundalini or Holy Fire as one with the divine firmament of all creation. Kundalini begins this process in the physical expressive reality. That the self is not the body and yet is at the same time is not followed by most Indian religions. They often prefer separations. I do not see or feel the separations except as actions of an intention. Which is how I interact with others here and within the accepted known world. Moksha is often understood as the final release from physical conceptions of identity, the resolution of the attachment of expressed duality and a realization of one's own natural nature which is in truth, pure consciousness and bliss. An experience which is indescribable and beyond sensation yet isnt. This carries over into all of the aspects of the five body human expression. Some beliefs follow ideas that hold of the identification of man with God allows for self-realization or a state of pure divine expression, but does not lead to God-realization, or Moksha. I feel a person cannot have one without the other. Kundalini can bring this to a person and yet it is really within the Karmic expression of the individual process and the persons ability to navigate that expression and the expressive navigation of the person that will bring these qualities within the parameters available to that unique individual into expression. Many Indian beliefs see the Bhakti teachings as the highest path for Moksha as do I. Yet within the parameters of the Bhakti or devotional expression as we understand it in the west. - blessings Skoogle - chrism , Skoogle Msb <skoogle_msb wrote: > > Hi Chrism, > > Can you please talk about the state of deliverance? > Since, last december, I get lost in the interval between two thoughts. > Ramana tells that > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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