Visitations - S&X - Morals - Obe's

[Guest guest]

Hi Amanda and all you kundalites,

 

Amanda your posting reminded me of something. One time during a dream which

became lucid I was really excited and decided to jump through the wall and go

visit a friend. I was really happy to do this and just as I was about to jump

through someone came up from behind me and communicated to me to think about

what I'm about to do...would I like it if people came popping over to me without

my consent without me being able to see them? So my conscience creeps in ...

ughh (: ha So I don't know if this is just myself telling myself this ha -

would I feel guilty if I popped in on someone, seems like an invasion of

privacy...so I didn't go and let the wind take me to my childhood home for some

other stuff I suppose I needed. Again is this my own guilty feelings if I pop in

on someone I would feel guilty - so that part of me prevents me from doing so -

Because I always wondered if seeing someone during obe's - is it all my own mind

manifesting this? I mean is it actually possible to see someone in real time???

You know that would be great (ok if I had consent) To go to a friends house and

say Where you wearing this or that would make me feel like I was really there

with them, not just a manifestation of dream characters. Wondering what you

think or your experiences - anyone out there ever obe'd to someone in real

time???

And anyone also have these moral issues that creep in during your nightly

experiences? Now unless I have consent I won't pop in on anyone...and I don't

even know if its possible to really pop in on the them in this reality sleeping

in their bed???

Another thing every time I jump/fly through the window I am always somewhere

else beside my own yard! haha How do you stay in real time or your real

environment - is that impossible? And everytime I jump through the mirror I end

up in a past life or different world/time.

So I'm wondering what your experiences are. And I find myself the same in dream

state - meaning if I won't walk into someone's house and hide and peek in on

them during my daytime/waking/this reality, then I don't do it in dream life!

What fun is that?!?! haha

So do you think that was just myself mirroring back my own beliefs or was that

some higher guidance bringing to my attention something that was perhaps

questionably immoral? Do you think I should just lighten up and jump in there? I

mean am I even there with them?

Okay - here's to making you all crazy...the ethics of obeing ha (:

 

Much love,

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

, " amandatflood "

<amandatflood wrote:

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> Hi Chrism,

>

> I've done this too only consciously, and I think maybe I do it unconsciously

now from the occasional reactions I get.

>

[Guest guest]

It is an issue of consent. Permission must be given. Otherwise it is an invasion

of personal space and privacy. My take on it. - chrism

 

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

someone came up from behind me and communicated to me to think about what I'm

about to do...would I like it if people came popping over to me without my

consent without me being able to see them?

[Guest guest]

Hi Chrism,

 

I give you permission to visit me ~ when would you like to

visit and do you think I would be able to see you?

 

Best, Angelina

 

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> It is an issue of consent. Permission must be given. Otherwise it is an

invasion of personal space and privacy. My take on it. - chrism

>

>

> , " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777@> wrote:

> someone came up from behind me and communicated to me to think about what I'm

about to do...would I like it if people came popping over to me without my

consent without me being able to see them?

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Deb, since most of my OBEs were spontaneous ones I really didn't have a lot

of control over them. I became aware in one where I was in another person's body

and later saw this person at a store. I have written about it before. I had

several OBE/LD experiences with this person. I do not know her, but she lives

here in the same area as me. In one of them I switched from being me to being

her and I ended up at her house and went in and then switch back to being me.

She was not home, but then she came home before I could get out. I had some very

confusing dreams/OBEs of this person.

 

I tried on purpose once to visit a close friend, but I was all over the town

looking for her, but did not find her. I guess I was not allowed to. I really

don't feel I have a lot of control in dreams or OBEs. When I am uncomfortable or

want out of the dream, I cause myself to wake up. That's about the extent of my

control. I really don't see what's the point in trying to change/control

them, since the purpose of them is to reveal some lesson or subconscious matter.

Wouldn't controlling them, be not surrendering to what Spirit or higher self is

trying to reveal? I get upset with myself when I wake myself up when things get

uncomfrotable. I then feel I caused myself to missed out on something.

 

Linda

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

> Hi Amanda and all you kundalites,

>

> Amanda your posting reminded me of something. One time during a dream which

became lucid I was really excited and decided to jump through the wall and go

visit a friend. I was really happy to do this and just as I was about to jump

through someone came up from behind me and communicated to me to think about

what I'm about to do...would I like it if people came popping over to me without

my consent without me being able to see them? So my conscience creeps in ...

ughh (: ha So I don't know if this is just myself telling myself this ha -

would I feel guilty if I popped in on someone, seems like an invasion of

privacy...so I didn't go and let the wind take me to my childhood home for some

other stuff I suppose I needed. Again is this my own guilty feelings if I pop in

on someone I would feel guilty - so that part of me prevents me from doing so -

Because I always wondered if seeing someone during obe's - is it all my own mind

manifesting this? I mean is it actually possible to see someone in real time???

You know that would be great (ok if I had consent) To go to a friends house and

say Where you wearing this or that would make me feel like I was really there

with them, not just a manifestation of dream characters. Wondering what you

think or your experiences - anyone out there ever obe'd to someone in real

time???

> And anyone also have these moral issues that creep in during your nightly

experiences? Now unless I have consent I won't pop in on anyone...and I don't

even know if its possible to really pop in on the them in this reality sleeping

in their bed???

> Another thing every time I jump/fly through the window I am always somewhere

else beside my own yard! haha How do you stay in real time or your real

environment - is that impossible? And everytime I jump through the mirror I end

up in a past life or different world/time.

> So I'm wondering what your experiences are. And I find myself the same in

dream state - meaning if I won't walk into someone's house and hide and peek in

on them during my daytime/waking/this reality, then I don't do it in dream life!

What fun is that?!?! haha

> So do you think that was just myself mirroring back my own beliefs or was

that some higher guidance bringing to my attention something that was perhaps

questionably immoral? Do you think I should just lighten up and jump in there? I

mean am I even there with them?

> Okay - here's to making you all crazy...the ethics of obeing ha (:

>

> Much love,

> Deb

>

>

>

>

>

> , " amandatflood "

<amandatflood@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Chrism,

> >

> > I've done this too only consciously, and I think maybe I do it unconsciously

now from the occasional reactions I get.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb

 

I don't know.. my thinking about all this at the moment is that morals /

thinking about invasion / setting up barriers etc is kind of the root driver of

perpetuating this stuff - the victim / persecutor / rescuer thing. and that

monster probably shouldn't be fed, it's egoic - to truly forgive is to be able

to forget. slowly I'm learning flexibility of response and the ability to walk

away and come into this moment which is ALL I HAVE so I want to thoroughly enjoy

it! From that perspective none of this means anything at all really - just ways

that I pull myself out of this beautiful present reality, crouching over a

computer screen, thinking about rights and wrongs and past history.. slowly this

is becoming more and more my viewpoint of where I most injure my Self..

 

so I'm finding it hard to engage with the rights and wrongs of all this.

 

It's not amoral, it's more like the whole thing drifting away, couldn't catch it

if I tried - like gaining immunity . Maybe you're already immune! )

 

Amanda

 

 

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

> Hi Amanda and all you kundalites,

>

> Amanda your posting reminded me of something. One time during a dream which

became lucid I was really excited and decided to jump through the wall and go

visit a friend. I was really happy to do this and just as I was about to jump

through someone came up from behind me and communicated to me to think about

what I'm about to do...would I like it if people came popping over to me without

my consent without me being able to see them? So my conscience creeps in ...

ughh (: ha So I don't know if this is just myself telling myself this ha -

would I feel guilty if I popped in on someone, seems like an invasion of

privacy...so I didn't go and let the wind take me to my childhood home for some

other stuff I suppose I needed. Again is this my own guilty feelings if I pop in

on someone I would feel guilty - so that part of me prevents me from doing so -

Because I always wondered if seeing someone during obe's - is it all my own mind

manifesting this? I mean is it actually possible to see someone in real time???

You know that would be great (ok if I had consent) To go to a friends house and

say Where you wearing this or that would make me feel like I was really there

with them, not just a manifestation of dream characters. Wondering what you

think or your experiences - anyone out there ever obe'd to someone in real

time???

> And anyone also have these moral issues that creep in during your nightly

experiences? Now unless I have consent I won't pop in on anyone...and I don't

even know if its possible to really pop in on the them in this reality sleeping

in their bed???

> Another thing every time I jump/fly through the window I am always somewhere

else beside my own yard! haha How do you stay in real time or your real

environment - is that impossible? And everytime I jump through the mirror I end

up in a past life or different world/time.

> So I'm wondering what your experiences are. And I find myself the same in

dream state - meaning if I won't walk into someone's house and hide and peek in

on them during my daytime/waking/this reality, then I don't do it in dream life!

What fun is that?!?! haha

> So do you think that was just myself mirroring back my own beliefs or was

that some higher guidance bringing to my attention something that was perhaps

questionably immoral? Do you think I should just lighten up and jump in there? I

mean am I even there with them?

> Okay - here's to making you all crazy...the ethics of obeing ha (:

>

> Much love,

> Deb

>

>

>

>

>

> , " amandatflood "

<amandatflood@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Chrism,

> >

> > I've done this too only consciously, and I think maybe I do it unconsciously

now from the occasional reactions I get.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ya Amanda (:

 

I love your perspective! I don't think there is anything more important than

feeling good about oneself; I rode the victim wave too long - even feeling bad

about myself for the dumbest reasons seems to sneak in dreamtime too - That's

sooooo annoying about myself! so I know there is much much much more chopping

wood and hauling water...That's okay; you know it does feel better not to judge

oneself; Why is it so much easier not to judge others but then ourselves we

become so beastly with?

 

And I use to become aware in dreams say much later than I would have liked and

found myself engaged in all sorts of stuff so no angel here! Now my awareness is

better there and I find myself whereever I go...So I suppose that's why I won't

jump in someone's house unless it's okay with them - (maybe I can be an

obedebpeeker - you know just pop my head in their window and take a peek around

- here I come buuwwaahhhh- that was a bad joke - no worries you know I can't

and won't anyway - Shizzle - there is no escaping one self!)

 

I like what Linda wrote too about her obe's explaining she doesn't try to

control them, she just's allows herself to be taken, for there is always

something during those times that I see I needed to face usually or learn. And I

too never seem to be able to control where I end up either Linda! (: So for the

most part I too let the wind take me to where it will - however I sure would

like just once to drop in on a friend (in real time) if it was okay with them

and if they weren't well having a moment (you know one of those

moments-hopefully a really good moment-not one of those oh no she/he should not

have eaten that moments) - Still would love to hear if anyone has done this I

mean in real time, not dreamland...

 

I've rambled on again I see! Thank you for writing about this - I love your

rights and wrongs attitude because that's the stuff, the dark stuff that shows

up I think - stuff like guilt, our shadow side as some call it so I'm really

glad you brought this up. It's beautiful to read that you are more allowing and

accepting of yourself...a beautiful reminder and I wholeheartedly thank you for

it! I always need those little reminders!

Much love to you,

Debs (:

 

, " amandatflood "

<amandatflood wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Deb several people and I on an OBE group, use to have planned meet-ups in the

astraL. We would set a place and time and try to meet there in an aware state.

Several times our experiences would be simailar and seemed as though we did

meet. I have had lots of OBEs with my oldest grandson present. And I would be

presnt in some of his, but when we compared, I wasn't aware of being in his and

he wasn't aware being in mine. So I don't know if it is possible or not.

But being in the astral and going to meet with some friend who isn't asleep,

they would need to have psychic gifs to be able to see you and know you were

there, they would not be in the astral realm. I don't know if that is what you

are meaning.

Like you being able to see chrism light at times would be an example. After you

wrote about seeing chrism's light visiting you, I have been wondering if the

hugh golden orb I have seen several times is not chrism, too. I said " hi " to the

orb, but it didn't answer back, unless that one time when it grew to about 10'

diameter is his way of anwering back. LOL! When it grew big, it had the rainbow

colors surounding it and was very beautiful. The other time when it when ahead

of me into another room, proved it was not some freak of light thing that was

just in that room. James couldn't see it, only I could.

 

Linda

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

> Hi ya Amanda (:

>

> I love your perspective! I don't think there is anything more important than

feeling good about oneself; I rode the victim wave too long - even feeling bad

about myself for the dumbest reasons seems to sneak in dreamtime too - That's

sooooo annoying about myself! so I know there is much much much more chopping

wood and hauling water...That's okay; you know it does feel better not to judge

oneself; Why is it so much easier not to judge others but then ourselves we

become so beastly with?

>

> And I use to become aware in dreams say much later than I would have liked

and found myself engaged in all sorts of stuff so no angel here! Now my

awareness is better there and I find myself whereever I go...So I suppose that's

why I won't jump in someone's house unless it's okay with them - (maybe I can be

an obedebpeeker - you know just pop my head in their window and take a peek

around - here I come buuwwaahhhh- that was a bad joke - no worries you know I

can't and won't anyway - Shizzle - there is no escaping one self!)

>

> I like what Linda wrote too about her obe's explaining she doesn't try to

control them, she just's allows herself to be taken, for there is always

something during those times that I see I needed to face usually or learn. And I

too never seem to be able to control where I end up either Linda! (: So for the

most part I too let the wind take me to where it will - however I sure would

like just once to drop in on a friend (in real time) if it was okay with them

and if they weren't well having a moment (you know one of those

moments-hopefully a really good moment-not one of those oh no she/he should not

have eaten that moments) - Still would love to hear if anyone has done this I

mean in real time, not dreamland...

>

> I've rambled on again I see! Thank you for writing about this - I love your

rights and wrongs attitude because that's the stuff, the dark stuff that shows

up I think - stuff like guilt, our shadow side as some call it so I'm really

glad you brought this up. It's beautiful to read that you are more allowing and

accepting of yourself...a beautiful reminder and I wholeheartedly thank you for

it! I always need those little reminders!

> Much love to you,

> Debs (:

>

> , " amandatflood "

<amandatflood@> wrote:

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Deb, you put a big smile on my face, you're so light and happy ))

 

Forgiving my stuff is a biggie at the moment and being able to step out of the

'aargh I'm so awful' is NECESSARY or it just perpetuates and wins - again!

 

not so great at it yet but working hard. mainly for my kids - I've wasted five

years already so the sooner I get it out of my system and free myself up as a

proper fun mum again the better! I'm happy to feel regret and sorrow but the

guilt/shame stuff is burdensome and wastes my time and energy..

 

My awareness is not very good yet, so I like the thought of 'permission must be

given' - it sets a boundary that I love. having suffered (and still suffering)

from a lack of innate understanding of boundaries I'm vulnerable - anything that

seeps in and catches it is VERY welcome!

 

Happy to hear the natural boundaries do develop and choices do develop - and

looking forward to that more than I can say..

 

thanks again Deb, so nice to read all that -

 

Amanda