Guru's & s&x - Is this how it is?

August 20, 2009

Namaste

Many of the Teachers and Masters appear to have a history of se & ual endeavours.

Osho with young girls, Sai Baba with young boys, and there are so many others

too. (An endless list :-)) Do we ignore this, and believe it to be malicious

gossip, believe it and turn a blind eye, judge it, or just accept it - this is

how it is. Possibly if these many stories about spiritual masters, guru's and

teachers are true, the cause of this is because of the vast energies of

spiritual giants, and with this energy the gonad energy centres are so active,

well….. se & ual energy has to be the strongest energy in the human form, and

imagine trying to control your se & ual energy it if it was a hundred or even a

thousand times stronger than it is now?

Papaji says something on the lines of, " on the mountain path there are and

always will be always sheep, and where there are sheep, you will always find

someone happy to be a sheppard. Stop being a sheep following another and others,

become like a lion and wake up and roar! "

om~j

August 20, 2009

Kundalini is far more powerful than the s & xual libidinous energies could ever

be imho. I feel that Gurus or teachers or saints can and in many cases must have

control over their s & xual desires. I do. Shakti Kundalini gives one these

controls. No it isn't always easy and yes it takes focus and concentration. And

yes it is not only possible but in many cases required. Just my thoughts on

this.

That there are people who have an experience or require an experience that

involves the s & xual nature being assisted by a teacher is not as an aberrance in

their behavior. It is often a teaching or giving helpful assistance for that

which many societies have a taboo against. Staying within the " moral " structure

of the society is important especially when visiting taboos.

Yes there are some who have allowed a certain and unfortunate indiscretion to

come over them. I feel it is their mistake, if it is of mere lust, to allow it

to be continued. Strong libido, even extremely strong, is never a good excuse

for taking advantage or demonstrating a lack of moral judgment that contradict

the society one is working and living within. Especially with regard to the

taboo s & xual expressions.

Morality is a set of parameters for a society to be able to create and hold a

social environment that allows for the benefit and agreement of the majority

population certain expressions and disallows other expressions. A teacher or

guru does not have a higher authority to commit offenses against this social

reality from the foundations of their base ego expressions.

Divinity can allow for a gift of experience and knowledge to be given in these

areas. The divine has no limitations inside of the limited sense world and it

operates with far more information. Divinity has no ego as we know the ego to be

in our world at this time. It will typically operate along the lines of Karma

and or as a preset of certain interactions that are in a governance of what is

and is not appropriate for a group or an individual or both.

In my case this is what occurs as the divine gives aid and education sometimes

of a s & xual nature to those who are familiar with me by using the image and

behavioral patterns based upon that which the individual knows or understands of

me to be for the purpose of a teaching. Why it does this is a demonstration of

its expanded knowledge base pertaining to our mundane and exalted natures and

our lessons in life.

I have never witnessed divinity committing a crime of a sexual nature or

otherwise. Those Gurus or teachers who do so advertise their disconnection from

the divine source when they take advantage of others from a perceived exalted

position. imho. They do not demonstrate any dysfunction by giving a teaching

that is controlled and or created through the divine influence for the benefit

of another.

Sometimes the mundane mind and ego cannot see through the layers of maya or

illusion and make the necessary connections. Sometimes the taboo is so strong

that any infringement upon it will cause such agitation that the individual or

group will condemn the teacher to the severest degree.

This can ruin the reputation of a teacher.

I prefer to steer clear of these kinds of interactions but Shakti Kundalini will

see that for a small number of people a lesson in these areas is beneficial. I

have no choice but to surrender to the divine will and I do so with joyful

abandon. I am given separations from any conscious interaction with anyone and

almost all cases there are no memories of any interaction. – blessings all. -

chrism

, " jezzwhizz "

<jezzwhizz wrote:

>Many of the Teachers and Masters appear to have a history of se & ual endeavours.

Osho with young girls, Sai Baba with young boys, and there are so many others

too. (An endless list :-)) Do we ignore this, and believe it to be malicious

gossip, believe it and turn a blind eye, judge it, or just accept it - this is

how it is.

August 20, 2009

Dear om-j, Sai baba (1838-1918) and present satya sai baba have no

connection,prob.you are ref. satya saibaba............shrikant

August 20, 2009