Myth of the Self by Alan Watts

August 24, 2009

Kabbalah and Kundalini will appear different on the outside. One must remember

that all paths lead to the same destnation. These two are simply internal paths

taken to arrive at the same realization. There is one ultimate reality. And we

each express an aspect of it.

Alan Watts is an eastern philosopher and spiritual seeker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwb3-3tSX4A

August 24, 2009

Yes but the difference may be that on one path I can go straight outside to the

mailbox from the door. On another path I can out the back door of the house and

around the world to reach my mailbox on the other side. Same destination

different paths. Now heh! Going around the world could be a very interesting and

enjoyable experience to get to the mailbox so I am certainly not discounting

that choice. - lol!

And the video was interesting but there were no words just white noise. And what

looked like someone doing something on a bed or whatever. But that could be the

effect of explaining a concept in and of itself similar to the previously

written example. - blessings to you Shilivan! - chrism

August 24, 2009

augh! That guys voice, Alan Watts had same effect on me as if someone scratching

their finger nails across a chalk board. Looking at the titles of his videos, it

didn't appear he had anything to do with kabbalah. But what ever, he definitely

is not for me. Creepy!

I take it the first video was his way of stating that he believed christianity

is an empty religion. To each his own. LOL!

Linda

, " shilivan " <shilivan

wrote:

>

> Kabbalah and Kundalini will appear different on the outside. One must remember

that all paths lead to the same destnation. These two are simply internal paths

taken to arrive at the same realization. There is one ultimate reality. And we

each express an aspect of it.

>

> Alan Watts is an eastern philosopher and spiritual seeker.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwb3-3tSX4A

>

August 24, 2009

If you heard no words and only white noise it's because you didn't actually

watch the video.

The white noise is at the beginning. The audio is from the 70's and of poor

quality. The video itself starts after a few seconds of white noise.

It's disappointing that you would make general dismissive comments covered in

blessings and humor just so that you don't have to think. We all have egos. And

if there was not a purpose for the ego then it would not manifest. The goal is

for true integration of consciousness with the physical manifestation we know of

as ourselves.

This trip around the world you speak of can be thought of as a balanced approach

to awakening. Yours was violent. Straight to the center of it all. " Here it is

whether you like it or not. " Just letting go and letting the energy run through

you is fine. As long as you are ready to accept it.

One can only " let go of the ego " if the ego(your reasoning mind) understands its

place in the divine harmony we call consciousness. When you come to terms with

the limitations that reason imposes, then you can make the natural choice to let

go of reason and logic for a while and trust the greater mind which has your

greatest joy as its only concern.

It's not that I'm ignorant of the spiritual path Chrism. It's that I now have to

transfer what I know in my reasoning mind into direct experience. And no matter

how much you know, it's still tough to let go until you reach the understanding

that there is no way to bridge the gap with reason. I just wasn't ready to let

go. Finding you gave me a great deal of hope to continue onward until I reach my

goal of unity. But I get the sense that you're being dismissive of my views.

" Have fun with Kabbalah " ? Really? The structure of that sentence leans towards

the dismissive. " Have fun with... " Is what we all say when we think lightly of

something.

You spoke of Kabbalah being a religion but you don't know the history. It's not

a religion. And women were not forbidden from learning it. Kabbalah was hidden

when religion gained prominence, and dogma began to be valued over direct

experience. It was hidden even from the majority of rabbis.

Alan Watts likewise is also a practitioner. And you can tell he knows his stuff.

If you don't agree with my views that's all well and good. Just be honest about

it. I would respect you more than I do now. I've not seen anything in your posts

that counts for discussion unless it's dealing with Kundalini, and even then

only when it's you answering the questions. If you want to teach that's fine.

But why lead me to think that this is an open discussion group if that was not

your true intention?

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> Yes but the difference may be that on one path I can go straight outside to

the mailbox from the door. On another path I can out the back door of the house

and around the world to reach my mailbox on the other side. Same destination

different paths. Now heh! Going around the world could be a very interesting and

enjoyable experience to get to the mailbox so I am certainly not discounting

that choice. - lol!

>

> And the video was interesting but there were no words just white noise. And

what looked like someone doing something on a bed or whatever. But that could be

the effect of explaining a concept in and of itself similar to the previously

written example. - blessings to you Shilivan! - chrism

>

August 24, 2009

Well now to be fair Shilivan you give us a link to a video that has no picture

(at the beginning) and white noice at the beginning and some ways into the

video. Sitting here and listening to white noice and some unknown form of

movement in a mostly darkened screen is not how most people will spend their

time.

Send us a video that has the person talking to the points you are making is my

suggestion. This approach may be a better way to make your point. Testing our

patience with a possibly defective video isnt fair. To many things can go wrong

with technology.

To your other points,

Not watching a blurry video with bad sound is not equal to not wanting to think

imho. Send us a good one and if our comments are similar then even that is not

equable in your assertion of not wanting to think. We have our own opinions and

they will not always agree. I like your views on Kabbalah though it isnt what it

is to you for me but I do feel it is a valid path just not the only one. But a

good one!

I agree with you " ego has purpose. "

" Violent " is a strong word for a description of my awakening. Butbit could be

seen that way. - lol! It was a sudden experience yes and it did have its moments

of fear to be sure! But there were and also are some very beautiful experiences

of love and bliss. A balance of extremes guided at first by the fear of the

unknown and sharpened by the love of Unity Consciousness.

Yes I agree with your assertions about the reasoning mind.

I am not convinced that the Greater Mind has our joy as its only concern.

Lessons of experience and balancing of Karma do come into it at least for me.

I do not feel you are ignorant of the spiritual path as it is for you. On the

contrary I feel you are walking your path with steadiness.

Oh...... my phrasing.......my apologies.....I would say the same to anyone who

was walking a path that I was not going to walk but that I accepted as a valued

path. Fun is a good quality for me and I mean it in that way not in a dismissive

way.

I have already stated my feelings about the Kabbalah. So your missing the part

where it was stated:

" May blessings and joy be given to those who use this as a positive and

inclusive path towards the enlightened state. "

Perhaps you missed that part.

From the website of Ari:

http://www.kabbalahlearningcenter.info/who.php

Past Prohibitions

" In the past, men under forty years of age who were not married, and women, were

forbidden to study Kabbalah. "

Im not making this up.

Alan Watts is fine! Nothing against him. Its like this, if I send you a video

and its got no sound but white noise and no picture that is even complimentary

to the white noise, I am not going to insist that you sit there staring at a

video of that or listening to that. Neither will I make comments about you " not

wanting to think " if you dont watch it.

It is my hope you do not have a problem with this if so I am sorry but I do not

have the desire to be tested that way. Not saying anything against Alan watts

because as I have stated there was nothing to see or hear except dark shadows

moving and white noise.

There is a moral here for you as well Shilivan. Send vids that show what you

wish it to show. If you are sending us vids that test our patience then you can

get your own patience tested by our comments. This has nothing to do with the

openness of this group. It has more to do with your video choices than anything

else.

Like the video that Linda found:

http://www.perceivingreality.com/code/

I felt that video stated it quite clearly. I could see it. It was well done and

I could hear it. No problems.

No one is being dismissive of you and yet at the same time we are not all going

to convert to the Kabbalah either. Is that what you are looking for?

Many paths to the one destination as you stated include the many paths other

than Kabbalah but not excluding it. Did you watch the video Linda posted?

Feel free to tell us about your experiences with Kabbalah and how it has helped

you inside of your energetic dynamics.

With regards to the Kundalini teachings.....welll yes... it is a group about the

Kundalini so I do not see the problem there. How is that an issue for you?

Everyone teaches here. By experience and by communication. Teach us about your

experiences Shilivan. - blessings Shillivan. - chrism

, " shilivan " <shilivan

wrote:

If you don't agree with my views that's all well and good. Just be honest

about it. I would respect you more than I do now. I've not seen anything in your

posts that counts for discussion unless it's dealing with Kundalini

August 24, 2009

Shilivan, I did watch the video all the way through and the white noise did

stop, but there were no words still. I waited through it patiently wondering

what he was meaning with such a video as that. All I saw was just the picture of

the piece of fabric which looked to have a wooden spike imprinted there from the

wrinkling of the fabric. 10 minutes of nothing, which is why I had the

impression he believe christianity to be an empty religion. I could hear his

voice on the next video I clicked on, so there was nothing wrong with the volume

on my computer. What's up with that? Do I not have ears to hear? All I heard was

silence, no words.

Linda

, " shilivan " <shilivan

wrote:

>

> If you heard no words and only white noise it's because you didn't actually

watch the video.

>

August 24, 2009

I apologize. I will check the link.

, " danceswithcats999 "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> Shilivan, I did watch the video all the way through and the white noise did

stop, but there were no words still. I waited through it patiently wondering

what he was meaning with such a video as that. All I saw was just the picture of

the piece of fabric which looked to have a wooden spike imprinted there from the

wrinkling of the fabric. 10 minutes of nothing, which is why I had the

impression he believe christianity to be an empty religion. I could hear his

voice on the next video I clicked on, so there was nothing wrong with the volume

on my computer. What's up with that? Do I not have ears to hear? All I heard was

silence, no words.

>

> Linda

>

> , " shilivan " <shilivan@>

wrote:

> >

> > If you heard no words and only white noise it's because you didn't actually

watch the video.

> >

>

August 24, 2009

Hi Shilivan, I watched up to seven minute and it was all static. I can try again

but out of 10 minutes it was all static for me and then it went to no sound for

a while. maybe it's my computer and like you said a not-so-great quality

video...

Bliss,

Maggie

, " shilivan " <shilivan

wrote:

>

> If you heard no words and only white noise it's because you didn't actually

watch the video.

August 24, 2009

I'm sorry about that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7WlE5D1kk

I don't know what happened to the video. It is as you say. No words.

This is a different copy of the video. Hopefully I posted it correctly this

time.

, " maggieanderson7 "

<a216024 wrote:

>

> Hi Shilivan, I watched up to seven minute and it was all static. I can try

again but out of 10 minutes it was all static for me and then it went to no

sound for a while. maybe it's my computer and like you said a not-so-great

quality video...

>

> Bliss,

> Maggie

>

> , " shilivan " <shilivan@>

wrote:

> >

> > If you heard no words and only white noise it's because you didn't actually

watch the video.

>

August 24, 2009

This one is nice! - Thanks or the correction Shilivan. - chrism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7WlE5D1kk

>

August 24, 2009

" The white noise is at the beginning. The audio is from the 70's and of poor

quality. The video itself starts after a few seconds of white noise. "

This copy doesnt seem to start with any white noise. Is it from the 70's? - c

, " shilivan " <shilivan

wrote:

> I don't know what happened to the video. It is as you say. No words.

> This is a different copy of the video.

August 24, 2009

Hi Linda,