Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 there is a certain intimacy needed to meet your pain as an energy.our natural instinct with pain is to avoid it , resist it. but what if we consciously met our emotional pain as an energy..and then mearged with it?... ...emotional pains are usually not simple, and when they grow into emotional suffering, they can influence our entire view of the world. a story usually arises along with emotional pain also an event or a person that " causes " the pain.it may be initially important to tell the story and learn the lessons but if we form attatchment to the story emotional suffering grows.yet when emotional pain is met without the story that arises with it, it too disappears from memory in the same way simple physical pain does. pain that is met consciously does not grow into suffering. to suffer we need time and a continuing story. " my mother.... " " he or she or they.... " " i am or am not... " to continue the story guarantees the birth and continuance of suffering, and the avoidance of the pure feeling underneath the internal chatter. the " fixer " for emotional pain feels counter-intuitive. rather than moving away from the pain, we must meet it very intimately. only you and your pain are present. it requires that all other characters in your story of be temporarily erased. It requires the intimacy of becoming one with the pain. not in a dramatic version of me being at one with my pain, " but a simple , quiet merger of attention into the sensation of pain. where do you feel the hurt? if you let your full attention fall into that area, leaving behind , dropping any part of any story about what caused it, even leaving out the words pain and hurt,...... you discover pure energy. when we don't judge this energy, we can get even closer. we get so close that we are mearged with it ...one with it. the surrender is to give up the identity of the one who is being hurt. that giving up only requires us to stop re-telling the story of how we were hurt, who hurt us, how badly it hurts, why it shouldn't have happened.....In simply refusing to tell that story again, you have the immediate opportunity to meet directly the pain underneath the story. what happens if the emotional pain returns? we now have this choice... either we can resist it and not surrender to it allowing it to grow tobe suffering or we can consciously choose to meet with it and merge with it.. in mearger we become complete snd whole. purple.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Hi all, This is a very perceptive and timely post. I am dealing with " hurt " issues with my mother, as my mother in law (who was more of a mother to me than my own) is dying. I am going to have to go into the hurt, and feel it in order for it, like you say, to be energy, and nothing else. Then I have to just surrender and let go of it? Right? Thank you for this. Wow. Shaun > > the surrender is to give up the identity of the one who is being hurt. > that giving up only requires us to stop re-telling the story of how we > were hurt, who hurt us, how badly it hurts, why it shouldn't have > happened.....In simply refusing to tell that story again, you have the > immediate opportunity to meet directly the pain underneath the story. > > what happens if the emotional pain returns? we now have this choice... > either we can resist it and not surrender to it allowing it to grow tobe > suffering or we can consciously choose to meet with it and merge with > it.. in mearger we become complete snd whole. > > purple.. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 purple, that's so true... thank you. these posts have been so useful these last few days.. I've been having a good deal of rollercoasting emotions this week, for various reasons.. all rotating around trust in myself and my inner worth.. and one of the issues I was called to face yet again, was fear.. it always seems to came back down to that.. projecting in to the future. I realized I must find my independence and my voice.. not necessarely my phisical voice.. my personal inner voice, that doesent need words to speak. last night I did just that, " be " my pain, be it on my own and for myself.... my bf is in a bad place these last months, it's really hard, for him to blend the k and the " normal life " , school work.. everything. I mean real hard. and it seems it's always worsening.. and things have been real hard for me too because of this... but I feel it's so very useful, for me, at this time... I am learning so very much from it.. I saw yesterday that I had and probably still have an " addiction " ... I was dependant on my well being within the relationship for my general well being. this is very depleating, conditioning, and generally not good. it limits me in my actions, because of fear of what will happen, because of attachments to what will happen... It' so so much better then it used to be, but it's still there, and ti still rears it's head now and then... this situation is pushing my limits, pushing me to discover more of myself and teaching me to walk on my own legs. so it turns out I am grateful of it, deep down. yesterday was one of those days... I was real depressed because of it, scared.. hurt.. well, I went for a drive, all alone.. and cried and cried.. and then I started seeign my thoughts, but I dident try to repress them, shoo them off... I just cried.. and then I started singing, in my usual disarticulate noisy way, and oh, that had me sobbing but it also allowed me to cry without thinking, it broke the chain of negative thoughts in a way that was not repressive or forceful. after a while of that, well, I just had a sort of strange cough, real strong, almost suffocating...it was as if I were coughing out some thickness, not phisical but there nonetheless.. now that I think of it I've dremt of doing that same thing before, same sensation. and i was done!!! I went home, still sticky from the tears, but obviously I had cried it out for the time being... my thoat was loose and relaxed (I get a terrible tightness in the troat at those times, or any time I am in fear or worry). just sharing with all you my wise inspirational guides.. it's because of you all and your firm positive down to earthness and wisdom that I can trust myself and find that inner wisdom and inner grounding, from where I hope one day to learn to choose and act, free of fears of future and consequenses.... more and more.. much love and gratitude to all of you, there is still so much to do in here lucia , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > there is a certain intimacy needed to meet your pain as an energy.our > natural instinct with pain is to avoid it , resist it. > but what if we consciously met our emotional pain as an energy..and then > mearged with it?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 A LOT of people would benefit from this information. (I'll be sure to spread it.) It's one of those things we oughtta know from birth. I sure wish I had. Would have avoided a depression and half a year of intense crying. Then again that suffering was probably a lesson and a way to get me on a spiritual path. The strange thing with me has been that I don't remember nearly all of the traumatic events of my life, not clearly anyway. Those that I do, i'm emotionally unattached. I just used to feel tremendous sadness and letting it out helped a lot. Sadness/grief still often comes as a pressure sensation in the head. In QiGong it is said that under sadness " Qi " rises. Very true for me. One way with dealing with memories (if you remember them, didn't have that luxury myself) is " self trauma drama - method " found in this (totally free) e-book: http://www.co-bw.co /SelfTranscendenceWorkbook.pdf I still have grief in me. Deb let me know of Painting the Wall, which Tiffany has put on youtube ( ) That broughtmore grief up to be prosessed. I'm still looking for effective methods/excersises for digging up repressed emotions. So if you know, let me know Thank You in advance, Aarni , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > there is a certain intimacy needed to meet your pain as an energy.our > natural instinct with pain is to avoid it , resist it. > but what if we consciously met our emotional pain as an energy..and then > mearged with it?... > > ..emotional pains are usually not simple, and when they grow into > emotional suffering, they can influence our entire view of the world. a > story usually arises along with emotional pain also an event or a person > that " causes " the pain.it may be initially important to tell the story > and learn the lessons but if we form attatchment to the story emotional > suffering grows.yet when emotional pain is met without the story that > arises with it, it too disappears from memory in the same way simple > physical pain does. > pain that is met consciously does not grow into suffering. to suffer we > need time and a continuing story. " my mother.... " " he or she or > they.... " " i am or am not... " to continue the story guarantees the birth > and continuance of suffering, and the avoidance of the pure feeling > underneath the internal chatter. > > the " fixer " for emotional pain feels counter-intuitive. rather than > moving away from the pain, we must meet it very intimately. only you > and your pain are present. it requires that all other characters in > your story of be temporarily erased. It requires the intimacy of > becoming one with the pain. not in a dramatic version of me being at one > with my pain, " but a simple , quiet merger of attention into the > sensation of pain. > > where do you feel the hurt? if you let your full attention fall into > that area, leaving behind , dropping any part of any story about what > caused it, even leaving out the words pain and hurt,...... you discover > pure energy. when we don't judge this energy, we can get even closer. > we get so close that we are mearged with it ...one with it. > > > the surrender is to give up the identity of the one who is being hurt. > that giving up only requires us to stop re-telling the story of how we > were hurt, who hurt us, how badly it hurts, why it shouldn't have > happened.....In simply refusing to tell that story again, you have the > immediate opportunity to meet directly the pain underneath the story. > > what happens if the emotional pain returns? we now have this choice... > either we can resist it and not surrender to it allowing it to grow tobe > suffering or we can consciously choose to meet with it and merge with > it.. in mearger we become complete snd whole. > > purple.. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Wow Purple and Lucia- The timing, depth and meaning of your postings are so right on. My unrealized attachments within attachments and attachment to perceived abandonment...like mirrors within mirrors. Thank you for this. I will tuck this in my little bundle and sit with it. Lucia, when you described your singing, I lit up. My heart was filled with light. I had a visual of this beautiful songbird, chest poofed out, and tears falling as she pushes out that breath from her heart center. Thank you both. Danielle , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > there is a certain intimacy needed to meet your pain as an energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Hi everyone - Thanks for all the help with emotional pain. I know we all go through this at some point. The emotions seem the most difficult for me in particular and I never know how to move through this...so I really appreciate these tips...really...especially around the full moon it still seems. I want to ask how long this emotional clearing goes on for but I suppose I already know the answer which is different for each person. sigh...throw in 12 more sighs with a come on God I can't possibly be that deep! Guess I need some more full moon madness - (: Will give this a try purple - thank you very much! And Aarni thank you too I really want to read your pdf but the link doesn't work for me. Perhaps your coconuts got in the way while typing haha or perhaps my typing chakras caused a short in the system! (: Thanks you kundalites you! Much love, Debs (: , " spiralingsnake " <aarni.kimmo wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Thinking of you Shaun... My blessings for you and your family, Deb , " shaun1154 " <shaunjd wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Dear Lucia, Wishing you the best always and I just wanted to tell you how beautiful you are to all of us! The emotional stuff is so hard - thank you for your inspiring words. Love to you girl! And a big fat chi ball with that! (: Debs , " lari.lu " <lari.lu wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Wow this is exactly what i needed to hear...hadn't even asked any one yet Thank you! marie-anna On 9/3/09, purple_firefly111 <purple_firefly111 wrote: > > > > there is a certain intimacy needed to meet your pain as an energy.our > natural instinct with pain is to avoid it , resist it. > but what if we consciously met our emotional pain as an energy..and then > mearged with it?... > > ..emotional pains are usually not simple, and when they grow into > emotional suffering, they can influence our entire view of the world. a > story usually arises along with emotional pain also an event or a person > that " causes " the pain.it may be initially important to tell the story > and learn the lessons but if we form attatchment to the story emotional > suffering grows.yet when emotional pain is met without the story that > arises with it, it too disappears from memory in the same way simple > physical pain does. > pain that is met consciously does not grow into suffering. to suffer we > need time and a continuing story. " my mother.... " " he or she or > they.... " " i am or am not... " to continue the story guarantees the birth > and continuance of suffering, and the avoidance of the pure feeling > underneath the internal chatter. > > the " fixer " for emotional pain feels counter-intuitive. rather than > moving away from the pain, we must meet it very intimately. only you > and your pain are present. it requires that all other characters in > your story of be temporarily erased. It requires the intimacy of > becoming one with the pain. not in a dramatic version of me being at one > with my pain, " but a simple , quiet merger of attention into the > sensation of pain. > > where do you feel the hurt? if you let your full attention fall into > that area, leaving behind , dropping any part of any story about what > caused it, even leaving out the words pain and hurt,...... you discover > pure energy. when we don't judge this energy, we can get even closer. > we get so close that we are mearged with it ...one with it. > > the surrender is to give up the identity of the one who is being hurt. > that giving up only requires us to stop re-telling the story of how we > were hurt, who hurt us, how badly it hurts, why it shouldn't have > happened.....In simply refusing to tell that story again, you have the > immediate opportunity to meet directly the pain underneath the story. > > what happens if the emotional pain returns? we now have this choice... > either we can resist it and not surrender to it allowing it to grow tobe > suffering or we can consciously choose to meet with it and merge with > it.. in mearger we become complete snd whole. > > purple.. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 loved this lari.lu.... you found your soul song in the energy behind your pain , the cough being the purge and the release. you can use your soul song in so many places for fear , anxiety, addiction, attatchment..it breaks the webs of maya and allows spirit to flow. to get to your inner voice, it's like when you demolish a brick wall (sorry for the building analogy!) first it's difficult , the bricks are packed tight and you can't get in , but you dig. Then you look for strategic bricks, and release them. as you labour you then find it gets easier and the wall can't support itself anymore and crashes. relationships too become infinately stronger when we live them without attatchment. At first we go through thoughts of thinking that we are performing an act of treason to think this way.The opposite is true, we are faithful but the dynamics have changed for both of us and the love deepened. so ,it get's easier.. purple , " lari.lu " <lari.lu wrote: > > purple, that's so true... thank you. > > these posts have been so useful these last few days.. I've been having a good deal of rollercoasting emotions this week, for various reasons.. > all rotating around trust in myself and my inner worth.. > > and one of the issues I was called to face yet again, was fear.. it always seems to came back down to that.. projecting in to the future. > I realized I must find my independence and my voice.. not necessarely my phisical voice.. my personal inner voice, that doesent need words to speak. > > last night I did just that, " be " my pain, be it on my own and for myself.... my bf is in a bad place these last months, it's really hard, for him to blend the k and the " normal life " , school work.. everything. I mean real hard. and it seems it's always worsening.. > and things have been real hard for me too because of this... > > but I feel it's so very useful, for me, at this time... I am learning so very much from it.. I saw yesterday that I had and probably still have an " addiction " ... I was dependant on my well being within the relationship for my general well being. > > this is very depleating, conditioning, and generally not good. > it limits me in my actions, because of fear of what will happen, because of attachments to what will happen... It' so so much better then it used to be, but it's still there, and ti still rears it's head now and then... > > this situation is pushing my limits, pushing me to discover more of myself and teaching me to walk on my own legs. so it turns out I am grateful of it, deep down. > > yesterday was one of those days... I was real depressed because of it, scared.. hurt.. well, I went for a drive, all alone.. and cried and cried.. and then I started seeign my thoughts, but I dident try to repress them, shoo them off... I just cried.. and then I started singing, in my usual disarticulate noisy way, and oh, that had me sobbing but it also allowed me to cry without thinking, it broke the chain of negative thoughts in a way that was not repressive or forceful. > after a while of that, well, I just had a sort of strange cough, real strong, almost suffocating...it was as if I were coughing out some thickness, not phisical but there nonetheless.. now that I think of it I've dremt of doing that same thing before, same sensation. > > and i was done!!! I went home, still sticky from the tears, but obviously I had cried it out for the time being... my thoat was loose and relaxed (I get a terrible tightness in the troat at those times, or any time I am in fear or worry). > > just sharing with all you my wise inspirational guides.. it's because of you all and your firm positive down to earthness and wisdom that I can trust myself and find that inner wisdom and inner grounding, from where I hope one day to learn to choose and act, free of fears of future and consequenses.... more and more.. > much love and gratitude to all of you, there is still so much to do in here > > lucia > > > > , " purple_firefly111 " <purple_firefly111@> wrote: > > > > there is a certain intimacy needed to meet your pain as an energy.our > > natural instinct with pain is to avoid it , resist it. > > but what if we consciously met our emotional pain as an energy..and then > > mearged with it?... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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