Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nice post Mike! You explain it very well my friend. - blessings! - chrism , JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: I am > not talking about the forgiving when someone yells at you. > I am talking about when your karma (habits) keeps resurfacing and > " confronting " you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Dear Mike, I liked your views.I feel our karma in this life is to fulfill the debts we owe to persons we come in contact.It may be ur father,mother, brother,sister wife,husband,friend or foe or strangers we meet.We have to fulfill our debts in different form.If they hit us,scold us or do ill towards us we have to forgive them.If you donot forgive them it will always remain in subconscious.Then we have to repeatedly go through cycle of birth and death.All spiritual aspirants and K awakened should forgive and forget.In my case I had purchased a land to build a 4 room bungalow.I told my father about the transaction.He asked me to sell the land and invest the money in the house he was costructing after his retirement.I obliged thinking that in my old age I may be able to live sometimes in that house.I spent lot of additional money for construction.In the year 1996 he made a will and transfered the house on name of my younger brother.Till his death only two of them knew about the will.I have forgiven them.One elderly person told me you have fulfilled your debt regarding your father.That was in my past karma which I have burned.We feel God brings us difficulties,but No it is our past Karma so that we have to face adversities............................shrikant ________________________________ <> Wednesday, 16 September, 2009 2:07:51 AM Re: Forgiveness/Surrender in my own view - Mike Nice post Mike! You explain it very well my friend. - blessings! - chrism Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , JiNN <jinnproduction@ ....> wrote: I am > not talking about the forgiving when someone yells at you. > I am talking about when your karma (habits) keeps resurfacing and > " confronting " you. Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! http://in./trynew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I dont know much regarding karma, and I dont know much about past lives and what we bring with us form pervious life experiences, but I feel I dont think of it as debts and payments so much as a becoming whole again.. we are probably saying the same thing shrikant, just in different words.. when I look back on my life experiences, I see that the things that have made me suffer have left a scar, and that as long as that scar is there, my personality, my way of dealing with others the way I interact and the choises I make will be changed, will not be aligned. and that till I see that scar and aknowlege it for what it is, I will blindly bring it with me and have my life sculpted around it, I will be depending on what happens to me... and this is incomplete. I feel that violence, injustice, jelousy, anger..they are usually originated from deep fears and pain the person has suffered in the past... this is propelled, passed on, like a billiard ball that is hit and then the movement is passed on to the next ball... the same happens with people, the natural, almost phisical response to receving is to bounce along, this happens with good feelings too, how many times we experience love or joy and then we find ourselves passing it along, we do no choose to do it, it just happens.. the difficult part is absorbing the negative and releasing it, not allowing ourselves to progect it, but also not storing it in ourselves as a scar. letting go of it, and seeing the whole that we all are that is behind this. transforming the negative in positive, changing it and reflecting it back... bringing attention and consciousness to the process. the forgiveness and surrender is seeing this, feeling it, seeing the other person as a whole but with a pain, and loving that pain and that fear and that person regardless... seeing it for what it is, something that is not us, is not him... he is not evel, mean, egoistical, right, wrong, better or worse, as we too are not... these are just reactions, propellments, in a blind effort to get whole again, in an inefficient way. I dont know if this is in general or for me at the place I'm in, but it's a very interesting thread, thanks! much love, lucia , shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > Dear Mike, > I liked your views.I feel our karma in this life is to fulfill the debts we owe to persons we come in contact.It may be ur father,mother, brother,sister wife,husband,friend or foe or strangers we meet.We have to fulfill our debts in different form.If they hit us,scold us or do ill towards us we have to forgive them.If you donot forgive them it will always remain in subconscious.Then we have to repeatedly go through cycle of birth and death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Respected Lucia, I agree, unles concept of ego is destoyed we can not see the person next to us as whole.All desires like jealousy,lust,greed etc. are cause of sorrow.These tie a person to the wheels of birth and death.Unless you remove your ego from the root you can not see the self to be self everywhere.............shrikant ________________________________ lari.lu <lari.lu Wednesday, 16 September, 2009 8:27:12 PM Re: Forgiveness/Surrender in my own view - Mike I dont know much regarding karma, and I dont know much about past lives and what we bring with us form pervious life experiences, but I feel I dont think of it as debts and payments so much as a becoming whole again.. we are probably saying the same thing shrikant, just in different words.. when I look back on my life experiences, I see that the things that have made me suffer have left a scar, and that as long as that scar is there, my personality, my way of dealing with others the way I interact and the choises I make will be changed, will not be aligned. and that till I see that scar and aknowlege it for what it is, I will blindly bring it with me and have my life sculpted around it, I will be depending on what happens to me... and this is incomplete. I feel that violence, injustice, jelousy, anger..they are usually originated from deep fears and pain the person has suffered in the past... this is propelled, passed on, like a billiard ball that is hit and then the movement is passed on to the next ball... the same happens with people, the natural, almost phisical response to receving is to bounce along, this happens with good feelings too, how many times we experience love or joy and then we find ourselves passing it along, we do no choose to do it, it just happens.. the difficult part is absorbing the negative and releasing it, not allowing ourselves to progect it, but also not storing it in ourselves as a scar. letting go of it, and seeing the whole that we all are that is behind this. transforming the negative in positive, changing it and reflecting it back... bringing attention and consciousness to the process. the forgiveness and surrender is seeing this, feeling it, seeing the other person as a whole but with a pain, and loving that pain and that fear and that person regardless.. . seeing it for what it is, something that is not us, is not him... he is not evel, mean, egoistical, right, wrong, better or worse, as we too are not... these are just reactions, propellments, in a blind effort to get whole again, in an inefficient way. I dont know if this is in general or for me at the place I'm in, but it's a very interesting thread, thanks! much love, lucia Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mike, > I liked your views.I feel our karma in this life is to fulfill the debts we owe to persons we come in contact.It may be ur father,mother, brother,sister wife,husband, friend or foe or strangers we meet.We have to fulfill our debts in different form.If they hit us,scold us or do ill towards us we have to forgive them.If you donot forgive them it will always remain in subconscious. Then we have to repeatedly go through cycle of birth and death. Try the new India Homepage. http://in./trynew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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