Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Yes to speak truth can require discernment. Upsetting others with it can serve a positive end as well as a negative one so where the intention is the result will follow. There are those in the general populations who will follow the yogic version of truth through actions and thought and expression. You see it through the eyes of a retired police officer Shrikant and in your experience the majority of people within your interactions will have the cheating ways yes? There are those whom the police officer will never meet except in the check out line of a grocery store or vendor or at the gas station or similar places of community interactions. These people will also live a virtuous life. Even without the reward of the Kundalini they will have blessings because of this virtue. I have traveled back and forth over the North American continent and have found there to be far more goodness than evil. Is it not the same in India? Your truth and integrity are much appreciated Shrikant and I know the burden to keep it pure and strong were very much challenged by your job and those with whom you worked and those who were the result of your work as a police officer. Corruption is a strong part of the polishing process and it gets cleaned from each individual eventually. Blessings and grace for the grace you have maintained during your direct involvement with the corrupt forces of life Shrikant! - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hi Shrikant, I agree with you in many ways regarding the importance of truth particularly in regard to avoidance of self-deception, egocentricity and malice BUT it is SO hard within close relationships to not occasionally colour the truth purely with kindness in mind and, at odd times, a hint of self-preservation. Nevertheless, in the material world we live in, your assertions seem generally spot on. As a light-hearted aside, I can't vouch for the reliability of what follows but according to a poll carried out by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment: " On average, a man will tell 126,672 lies in his entire life, which amounts to six fibs a day, and women are not much better when it comes to telling the truth. The poll found that women are less dishonest, telling three lies per day, or 68,796 in a lifetime " . London's Daily Express ran its own survey and found that " the most common lie among both sexes was: " Nothing's wrong, I'm fine. " The next most popular falsehoods involved the cost of items, with " Oh, this isn't new, I've had it for ages " , " It wasn't that expensive " and " It was in the sale " taking second, third and fourth position respectively. Finally, the study suggested that " I'm on my way " is the fifth top lie. " Kindest Regards - John. =============================================== Shrikant wrote: " I doubt how many persons follow principle of truth these days. It is very essential to be truthful when we are on spiritual path.It is better to keep silent some times. If we speak truth about opposite person he can be upset.Instead of saying 'you are wrong',it is better to say I don't agree with your views totally.Most of businessmen cheat.If they don't they are bankrupt.Be it politics/judiciary/Journalism/Movies/Drama?Art/Govt or our practical life untruth wins.There are very few faculties where only truth wins. We know when a person is lying but we don't give our true opinion. According to yogic philosophy we should not be ambiguous.There should be no exaggeration.The words should not have double meaning. Misappropriation and deception should be avoided.There should be truth in our speech and action.What we preach,should be practised. One can cheat the whole world but not one's conscience.I think truth only exists in kingdom of God and his true followers. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Dear Chrism, I have tested bad effects of corruption when I was new in the department.I realized it was bad.I then decided not to go after money.It is better to remain poor than be rich by unfair means.May be, I am financially poor in the whole department but richer in my process of finding God/spirituality. ................................shrikant ________________________________ <> Thursday, 24 September, 2009 1:39:02 AM Re: Honesty and Integrity - Shrikant Yes to speak truth can require discernment. Upsetting others with it can serve a positive end as well as a negative one so where the intention is the result will follow. There are those in the general populations who will follow the yogic version of truth through actions and thought and expression. You see it through the eyes of a retired police officer Shrikant and in your experience the majority of people within your interactions will have the cheating ways yes? There are those whom the police officer will never meet except in the check out line of a grocery store or vendor or at the gas station or similar places of community interactions. These people will also live a virtuous life. Even without the reward of the Kundalini they will have blessings because of this virtue. I have traveled back and forth over the North American continent and have found there to be far more goodness than evil. Is it not the same in India? Your truth and integrity are much appreciated Shrikant and I know the burden to keep it pure and strong were very much challenged by your job and those with whom you worked and those who were the result of your work as a police officer. Corruption is a strong part of the polishing process and it gets cleaned from each individual eventually. Blessings and grace for the grace you have maintained during your direct involvement with the corrupt forces of life Shrikant! - chrism Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! http://in./trynew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Resp John, I think lie detector test should be considered authentic.I am of the opinion that Male lib movement should start.....................shrikant ________________________________ <...> Thursday, 24 September, 2009 7:26:35 AM Re: Honesty and Integrity - Shrikant Hi Shrikant, I agree with you in many ways regarding the importance of truth particularly in regard to avoidance of self-deception, egocentricity and malice BUT it is SO hard within close relationships to not occasionally colour the truth purely with kindness in mind and, at odd times, a hint of self-preservation. Nevertheless, in the material world we live in, your assertions seem generally spot on. As a light-hearted aside, I can't vouch for the reliability of what follows but according to a poll carried out by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment: " On average, a man will tell 126,672 lies in his entire life, which amounts to six fibs a day, and women are not much better when it comes to telling the truth. The poll found that women are less dishonest, telling three lies per day, or 68,796 in a lifetime " . London' s Daily Express ran its own survey and found that " the most common lie among both sexes was: " Nothing's wrong, I'm fine. " The next most popular falsehoods involved the cost of items, with " Oh, this isn't new, I've had it for ages " , " It wasn't that expensive " and " It was in the sale " taking second, third and fourth position respectively. Finally, the study suggested that " I'm on my way " is the fifth top lie. " Kindest Regards - John. ============ ========= ========= ========= ======== Shrikant wrote: " I doubt how many persons follow principle of truth these days. It is very essential to be truthful when we are on spiritual path.It is better to keep silent some times. If we speak truth about opposite person he can be upset.Instead of saying 'you are wrong',it is better to say I don't agree with your views totally.Most of businessmen cheat.If they don't they are bankrupt.Be it politics/judiciary/ Journalism/ Movies/Drama? Art/Govt or our practical life untruth wins.There are very few faculties where only truth wins. We know when a person is lying but we don't give our true opinion. According to yogic philosophy we should not be ambiguous.There should be no exaggeration. The words should not have double meaning. Misappropriation and deception should be avoided.There should be truth in our speech and action.What we preach,should be practised. One can cheat the whole world but not one's conscience.I think truth only exists in kingdom of God and his true followers. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 yes, those are common and easy lies, one does not give a second thought when saying them, but it is my feeling that the reason behind them is not small and easy at all... it is a feeling that what one does and what one wants and is is not good, and needs masking and protecting. it is at least for me, I know this. again, I feel, they stem from fears.. it is exactly these kinds of small adjustments and modfications of my truth that I am coming up with and seeing clearer and clearer... I must be true to myself, and not be afreid. my bringing forth the truth is not necessarely of a conversational, conceptual kind, I do not know any truths any more then anybody else, and it doesent matter to me right now, the saying or not saying lies. or if others do with me.. it is with my own self. I can feel my truth inside myself, and feel when I do not honor it, in thought, action, feeling, words... I think the point for me is not to forcefully stop the actual " coloring the truth " , but to gradually and gently find the place where is no longer necessary, where the truth, my truth, is good and nothing else is needed for my well feeling and my feeling of safety. it's beautiful how each day gets so interesting when the focus is brought closer to oneself! each experience becomes so facinating and rich lucia , " " <...> wrote: > > Hi Shrikant, I agree with you in many ways regarding the importance of > truth particularly in regard to avoidance of self-deception, > egocentricity and malice BUT it is SO hard within close relationships to > not occasionally colour the truth purely with kindness in mind and, at > odd times, a hint of self-preservation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 When you go to the light, the only thing you take with you is your Integrity. Riches and wealth can be measured by tangible or intangible accountabilities- money, 'things', or 'things', like consciousness, integrity, and spirituality. The best things in life are not things. Matter and objects have to had a conscious thought before they were created and manifested- that car, that chair, someone had to have a thought before they made it, someone had to had a thought before it was purchased, or acquired. So thinking and values are a spiritual component.. No one has ever seen four o'clock, or November, remember there is no scientific proof that the future exist, but everyone thinks about it and plan for it, and talk about it..Our lives are made up of nothing but spiritual components, but most of the 6 billion people have been taught to take these properties for granted. But the balance is tilting. The Cro Magnon Man is evolving into a new creature in front of our very eyes, just like the Neanderthal Man evolved. The light is coming. Many people have already made the switch/ the conversion/ have evolved/ have opened up to the process of changing their DNA. The way we think affects our DNA... Our cells have a consciousness and a skeleton, and produces protein, and so on, you have crapy thoughts, the production of protein and so on becomes crapy, and sickness prevails, you become enlightened, your cells become enlightened, your life becomes what you think..you manifest. " If you don't like your life, change it " …. that is what make us different than any other creature on this planet.. we can move, dress differently, get a hair cut, eat differently, change our habits, we can go to school, and so on..Some people may be rich with dollars… but that is an incorrect way of measuring success and riches… sure it is one way, but not the only way…. Time, space, matter, measurements, all is relative. I live my life as a Monk, or try to, a monk without a monastery, and dollars come appropriately, as a bi product, or as a result of how I live -sometimes alot, and sometimes a little.. but I have learn that all my needs are, and will be meet. You are a bright and shinning star, Shrikant —please don't change that… blessings to all the readers, Robert from Columbus Ohio… go buckeyes , shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > Dear Chrism, > I have tested bad effects of corruption when I was new in the department.I realized it was bad.I then decided not to go after money.It is better to remain poor than be rich by unfair means.May be, I am financially poor in the whole department but richer in my process of finding God/spirituality. > ...............................shrikant > > > > > ________________________________ > <> > > Thursday, 24 September, 2009 1:39:02 AM > Re: Honesty and Integrity - Shrikant > > > Yes to speak truth can require discernment. Upsetting others with it can serve a positive end as well as a negative one so where the intention is the result will follow. > > There are those in the general populations who will follow the yogic version of truth through actions and thought and expression. You see it through the eyes of a retired police officer Shrikant and in your experience the majority of people within your interactions will have the cheating ways yes? > > There are those whom the police officer will never meet except in the check out line of a grocery store or vendor or at the gas station or similar places of community interactions. > > These people will also live a virtuous life. Even without the reward of the Kundalini they will have blessings because of this virtue. I have traveled back and forth over the North American continent and have found there to be far more goodness than evil. Is it not the same in India? > > Your truth and integrity are much appreciated Shrikant and I know the burden to keep it pure and strong were very much challenged by your job and those with whom you worked and those who were the result of your work as a police officer. Corruption is a strong part of the polishing process and it gets cleaned from each individual eventually. > > Blessings and grace for the grace you have maintained during your direct involvement with the corrupt forces of life Shrikant! - chrism > > > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! http://in./trynew > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 I have retired from my job last month.No more temptations for me.They could not lure me in past.No way in future.I was speaking out my mind.Thank you Robert............................shrikant ________________________________ robert e <robertfeb Thursday, 24 September, 2009 4:24:44 PM Re: Honesty and Integrity - Shrikant  When you go to the light, the only thing you take with you is your Integrity. Riches and wealth can be measured by tangible or intangible accountabilities- money, 'things', or 'things', like consciousness, integrity, and spirituality. The best things in life are not things. Matter and objects have to had a conscious thought before they were created and manifested- that car, that chair, someone had to have a thought before they made it, someone had to had a thought before it was purchased, or acquired. So thinking and values are a spiritual component.. No one has ever seen four o'clock, or November, remember there is no scientific proof that the future exist, but everyone thinks about it and plan for it, and talk about it..Our lives are made up of nothing but spiritual components, but most of the 6 billion people have been taught to take these properties for granted. But the balance is tilting. The Cro Magnon Man is evolving into a new creature in front of our very eyes, just like the Neanderthal Man evolved. The light is coming. Many people have already made the switch/ the conversion/ have evolved/ have opened up to the process of changing their DNA. The way we think affects our DNA... Our cells have a consciousness and a skeleton, and produces protein, and so on, you have crapy thoughts, the production of protein and so on becomes crapy, and sickness prevails, you become enlightened, your cells become enlightened, your life becomes what you think..you manifest. " If you don't like your life, change it " …. that is what make us different than any other creature on this planet.. we can move, dress differently, get a hair cut, eat differently, change our habits, we can go to school, and so on..Some people may be rich with dollars… but that is an incorrect way of measuring success and riches… sure it is one way, but not the only way…. Time, space, matter, measurements, all is relative. I live my life as a Monk, or try to, a monk without a monastery, and dollars come appropriately, as a bi product, or as a result of how I live -sometimes alot, and sometimes a little.. but I have learn that all my needs are, and will be meet. You are a bright and shinning star, Shrikant —please don't change that… blessings to all the readers, Robert from Columbus Ohio… go buckeyes Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Chrism, > I have tested bad effects of corruption when I was new in the department.I realized it was bad.I then decided not to go after money.It is better to remain poor than be rich by unfair means.May be, I am financially poor in the whole department but richer in my process of finding God/spirituality. > ............ ......... ......... .shrikant > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > <@ ...> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > Thursday, 24 September, 2009 1:39:02 AM > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Honesty and Integrity - Shrikant > >  > Yes to speak truth can require discernment. Upsetting others with it can serve a positive end as well as a negative one so where the intention is the result will follow. > > There are those in the general populations who will follow the yogic version of truth through actions and thought and expression. You see it through the eyes of a retired police officer Shrikant and in your experience the majority of people within your interactions will have the cheating ways yes? > > There are those whom the police officer will never meet except in the check out line of a grocery store or vendor or at the gas station or similar places of community interactions. > > These people will also live a virtuous life. Even without the reward of the Kundalini they will have blessings because of this virtue. I have traveled back and forth over the North American continent and have found there to be far more goodness than evil. Is it not the same in India? > > Your truth and integrity are much appreciated Shrikant and I know the burden to keep it pure and strong were very much challenged by your job and those with whom you worked and those who were the result of your work as a police officer. Corruption is a strong part of the polishing process and it gets cleaned from each individual eventually. > > Blessings and grace for the grace you have maintained during your direct involvement with the corrupt forces of life Shrikant! - chrism > > > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! http://in.. com/trynew > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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