Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Still here. I have been here all the time, just not posting, sometimes not even reading. But in my heart I have been here all the time. I guess I needed a break After my father-in-law passed away this summer and several other stresses I… difficult to put into words…well, things changed. I needed time to withdraw and just be, by myself for a while. Also, Although I am very dedicated to my spiritual development I have never been dedicated to any one religion, one path, one teacher, one set of practices. I was/am having some conflict with this path. I know that it is stated very clearly that after Shaktipat nothing may happen but at the same time I do expect something to happen, some K activity, some clear indication that some kind of advancement, insight, development is happening and nothing has happened. Do I adopt a more " Zen/Taoist " attitude, let go of all expectation and just do the practice (the Tibetans, meditation, pranayama, finger locks, etc) for no reason at all, just do it because I do it. If I let go of all expectation then why do the practice and receive Shaktipat? I receive Shaktipat to get the benefits of K. The four times a year shaktpat is a little difficult for me, doing the Tibetans and meditation three times a day. Why do it if nothing happens? If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. Then again I understand that things will not always happen just the way I, my ego, wants them to, on my terms, on my time table. Then again to go through all of this, Shaktipat four times a year, always holding my fingers together, etc., for nothing seems useless. Then again, it, K awakening, may happen at any time, perhaps I just need patience. Patience though means hope and expectation and waiting…living in the future, waiting for the big one. This is not the way to live. So I am in a bit of conflict here. For now I continue to follow this path, do the practice and I plan on being involved in the next Shaktipat. Although I it will be difficult to balance the three time a day pracitce with familly/holiday activities. Meta Understanding. I do have a strong inner sense of knowing that all is just as it should be and that what is happening now, if I like it or not, is right and good. I am where I need to be. I am feeling and thinking just I need for my spiritual development. So even in the conflict all is good as right and just as it needs to be. rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Rich, Just wanted to comment about something you said: " If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. " Don't fall for this trick of words. I did, and I am just coming out of it right now. Did any enlighten person do nothing and become enlightened? You need to want to meditate to meditate, you need to want to go on the spiritual path to start the spiritual path. I believe that many people, including myself, don't understand what is meant what we hear " don't desire to be enlightened " . I believe the true meaning of statements like " dont desire to be enlightened " , (and maybe Im wrong), is not to attach to results. Basically dont site down and meditate and want to have something come out of that meditation session. Don't do yoga to get somewhere. Just enjoy every minute of yoga/meditation during that moment, and don't hope/want/desire to be enlightened at the end of the year/end of the session/end of this lifetime/etc etc. Its a catch 22. We have to use our mind/body to go beyond our body/mind. This is why enlightenment is a such challenge for most people. Much love and good luck to you, Mike On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM, omshakti333 <Pyaar333 wrote: > > > Still here. > > I have been here all the time, just not posting, sometimes not even > reading. But in my heart I have been here all the time. I guess I needed a > break > > After my father-in-law passed away this summer and several other stresses > I… difficult to put into words…well, things changed. I needed time to > withdraw and just be, by myself for a while. > > Also, > Although I am very dedicated to my spiritual development I have never been > dedicated to any one religion, one path, one teacher, one set of practices. > I was/am having some conflict with this path. I know that it is stated very > clearly that after Shaktipat nothing may happen but at the same time I do > expect something to happen, some K activity, some clear indication that some > kind of advancement, insight, development is happening and nothing has > happened. > > Do I adopt a more " Zen/Taoist " attitude, let go of all expectation and just > do the practice (the Tibetans, meditation, pranayama, finger locks, etc) for > no reason at all, just do it because I do it. If I let go of all expectation > then why do the practice and receive Shaktipat? I receive Shaktipat to get > the benefits of K. The four times a year shaktpat is a little difficult for > me, doing the Tibetans and meditation three times a day. Why do it if > nothing happens? If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of > wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. > > Then again I understand that things will not always happen just the way I, > my ego, wants them to, on my terms, on my time table. Then again to go > through all of this, Shaktipat four times a year, always holding my fingers > together, etc., for nothing seems useless. Then again, it, K awakening, may > happen at any time, perhaps I just need patience. Patience though means hope > and expectation and waiting…living in the future, waiting for the big one. > This is not the way to live. > > So I am in a bit of conflict here. > For now I continue to follow this path, do the practice and I plan on being > involved in the next Shaktipat. Although I it will be difficult to balance > the three time a day pracitce with familly/holiday activities. > > Meta Understanding. > I do have a strong inner sense of knowing that all is just as it should be > and that what is happening now, if I like it or not, is right and good. I am > where I need to be. I am feeling and thinking just I need for my spiritual > development. So even in the conflict all is good as right and just as it > needs to be. > > rich > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 well put Mike! craig , JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: > > Hi Rich, > Just wanted to comment about something you said: > > " If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of wanting K, of > waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. " > > Don't fall for this trick of words. I did, and I am just coming out of it > right now. > Did any enlighten person do nothing and become enlightened? > You need to want to meditate to meditate, you need to want to go on the > spiritual path to start the spiritual path. > I believe that many people, including myself, don't understand what is > meant what we hear " don't desire to be enlightened " . > I believe the true meaning of statements like " dont desire to be > enlightened " , (and maybe Im wrong), > is not to attach to results. Basically dont site down and meditate and want > to have something come out > of that meditation session. Don't do yoga to get somewhere. Just enjoy every > minute of yoga/meditation during that moment, and don't hope/want/desire to > be enlightened at the end of the year/end of the session/end of this > lifetime/etc etc. > Its a catch 22. We have to use our mind/body to go beyond our body/mind. > This is why enlightenment is a such challenge for most people. > > Much love and good luck to you, > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Yes your right. I do practice yoga every morning… well almost every morning. And I do many other " spiritual " things. I do not just sit back and do nothing. I guess that I just find this practice a bit much. Always trying to remember to hold my fingers together and tong up, prayer to shakti 5 times a day, the Tibetans, etc. Some of it I enjoy and some of it is an effort. I do all of it and have no results. So I try to drop the desire for results…but then why do it? I see/feel results from my yoga practice, from eating well, from forgiveness, kindness, giving to others, being of service, prayer, but not from holding my fingers together and not from the Shaktipat. Oh well…as I wrote earlier, all is just as it should be even with my conflict. rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Beautifully said Mike! Blessings, ty --- On Wed, 11/11/09, JiNN <jinnproduction wrote: JiNN <jinnproduction Re: Still here, never left Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 4:17 PM Hi Rich,  Just wanted to comment about something you said:  " If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. "  Don't fall for this trick of words. I did, and I am just coming out of it right now.  Did any enlighten person do nothing and become enlightened?  You need to want to meditate to meditate, you need to want to go on the spiritual path to start the spiritual path.  I believe that many people, including myself, don't understand what is meant what we hear " don't desire to be enlightened " .  I believe the true meaning of statements like " dont desire to be enlightened " , (and maybe Im wrong), is not to attach to results. Basically dont site down and meditate and want to have something come out of that meditation session. Don't do yoga to get somewhere. Just enjoy every minute of yoga/meditation during that moment, and don't hope/want/desire to be enlightened at the end of the year/end of the session/end of this lifetime/etc etc.  Its a catch 22. We have to use our mind/body to go beyond our body/mind. This is why enlightenment is a such challenge for most people.  Much love and good luck to you,  Mike On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM, omshakti333 <Pyaar333 wrote: > > > Still here. > > I have been here all the time, just not posting, sometimes not even > reading. But in my heart I have been here all the time. I guess I needed a > break > > After my father-in-law passed away this summer and several other stresses > I… difficult to put into words…well, things changed. I needed time to > withdraw and just be, by myself for a while. > > Also, > Although I am very dedicated to my spiritual development I have never been > dedicated to any one religion, one path, one teacher, one set of practices. > I was/am having some conflict with this path. I know that it is stated very > clearly that after Shaktipat nothing may happen but at the same time I do > expect something to happen, some K activity, some clear indication that some > kind of advancement, insight, development is happening and nothing has > happened. > > Do I adopt a more " Zen/Taoist " attitude, let go of all expectation and just > do the practice (the Tibetans, meditation, pranayama, finger locks, etc) for > no reason at all, just do it because I do it. If I let go of all expectation > then why do the practice and receive Shaktipat? I receive Shaktipat to get > the benefits of K. The four times a year shaktpat is a little difficult for > me, doing the Tibetans and meditation three times a day. Why do it if > nothing happens? If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of > wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. > > Then again I understand that things will not always happen just the way I, > my ego, wants them to, on my terms, on my time table. Then again to go > through all of this, Shaktipat four times a year, always holding my fingers > together, etc., for nothing seems useless. Then again, it, K awakening, may > happen at any time, perhaps I just need patience. Patience though means hope > and expectation and waiting…living in the future, waiting for the big one. > This is not the way to live. > > So I am in a bit of conflict here. > For now I continue to follow this path, do the practice and I plan on being > involved in the next Shaktipat. Although I it will be difficult to balance > the three time a day pracitce with familly/holiday activities. > > Meta Understanding. > I do have a strong inner sense of knowing that all is just as it should be > and that what is happening now, if I like it or not, is right and good. I am > where I need to be. I am feeling and thinking just I need for my spiritual > development. So even in the conflict all is good as right and just as it > needs to be. > > rich > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Rich, good to hear from you. I am sorry to hear about your father-in-law and your other stresses, and hopefully things are balancing out a bit. It must be frustrating for you not to feel any major progress on the path. two quotes come to mind, and i forget who said them. 1. enlightenment. Better you dont start, and if you do start, better you dont stop. 2. You must seek enlightenment with the urgency of a man whose hair is burning seeking a pond. I have some thoughts arising for reflection, which you may or may not resonate with, and if they dont resonate, then thats fine My understanding is that to rest in the enlightened mind is to rest free of habit. There will still be tendancies, yet no attachment to those tendancies, and in that place of no attachment one feels free. SO, what comes to mind is to shatter your habits. Another way I look at habits is comfort zones and defense strategies of the ego. One way to do that is to bring a fierce sense of inquiry " Wow, this is fascinating. What is going on here? " to whatever inner and outer experiences are arising, and resist habitual ways of doing things, and transfer the energy of habit into the energy of curiosity. The point is not to act from habit, and to stay in the witness. Alternate between periods of contracted intense inquiry, and then relaxation, where you allow whatever to happen, to happen, and in each cycle, feel the contraction and the relaxation. The other way is to seek with all your heart the Kingdom of God, and to muster and maintain the intensity of continual seeking. You could not do anything, yet if your habitual responses control you, then you are not free. The fruits of the spirit, from Galations 5:22-23 are " love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfullness, gentleness and self-control " as spontaneous qualities, and joy will arise as an ever renewing spring. Intense practice will engage you with the present and will frustrate and break habits, opening to grace.. keep going and keep pushing Bruce , " omshakti333 " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > Still here. > > I have been here all the time, just not posting, sometimes not even reading. But in my heart I have been here all the time. I guess I needed a break > > After my father-in-law passed away this summer and several other stresses I… difficult to put into words…well, things changed. I needed time to withdraw and just be, by myself for a while. > > Also, > Although I am very dedicated to my spiritual development I have never been dedicated to any one religion, one path, one teacher, one set of practices. I was/am having some conflict with this path. I know that it is stated very clearly that after Shaktipat nothing may happen but at the same time I do expect something to happen, some K activity, some clear indication that some kind of advancement, insight, development is happening and nothing has happened. > > Do I adopt a more " Zen/Taoist " attitude, let go of all expectation and just do the practice (the Tibetans, meditation, pranayama, finger locks, etc) for no reason at all, just do it because I do it. If I let go of all expectation then why do the practice and receive Shaktipat? I receive Shaktipat to get the benefits of K. The four times a year shaktpat is a little difficult for me, doing the Tibetans and meditation three times a day. Why do it if nothing happens? If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. > > Then again I understand that things will not always happen just the way I, my ego, wants them to, on my terms, on my time table. Then again to go through all of this, Shaktipat four times a year, always holding my fingers together, etc., for nothing seems useless. Then again, it, K awakening, may happen at any time, perhaps I just need patience. Patience though means hope and expectation and waiting…living in the future, waiting for the big one. This is not the way to live. > > So I am in a bit of conflict here. > For now I continue to follow this path, do the practice and I plan on being involved in the next Shaktipat. Although I it will be difficult to balance the three time a day pracitce with familly/holiday activities. > > Meta Understanding. > I do have a strong inner sense of knowing that all is just as it should be and that what is happening now, if I like it or not, is right and good. I am where I need to be. I am feeling and thinking just I need for my spiritual development. So even in the conflict all is good as right and just as it needs to be. > > rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 my heart is with you Rich and I'm sorry about your father-in-law. As for the path, I don't really know what to tell you. This might be something that is your big learning for this lifetime just as my fear of public speaking is probably mine. There is deep insight into our major 'set backs' (for lack of a better term) that once learned, I have a feeling we'll be laughing at ourselves for all eternity . But these we must gain the required insight and wisdom, and not anything will change our perceptions until we've learned it (trust me I've tried everything from the Levkoe method, to EFT, to suppressing it, etc. and none have even remotely decreased this...). Please forgive me if But just remember, it's not enough to just use the tool of our mental body (attention), we must also use the tool of our emotional body (intention). It's our intentions that are the various grades of fuel that propel us forward into real movement. Our attention is like the steering wheel of a car. Feel into 'why' you want this and let that propel you forward, if your intent is strong enough you will be given the circumstances for your enlightenment, in fact, as they say and as you pointed out, we're already enlightened, it just takes time. to realize this is so...And one thing that I've realized (and not saying this is what you're doing) is that prayer can be empty or meaningful. Empty is just when you say it because you feel you have to. Meaningful is when your intent is strong, you feel the love and the yearning to get to know Shakti, or similar types of intentions. I used to say the prayer 9 times each time I said it and realized that for the first 6 recitations, I was trying to hurry through it to have it done. Since I realized that, I cut out the 6 and just say 3 repetitions with my full heart and i feel the love radiating back to me. love to you Rich craig , " omshakti333 " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > Still here. > > I have been here all the time, just not posting, sometimes not even reading. But in my heart I have been here all the time. I guess I needed a break > > After my father-in-law passed away this summer and several other stresses I… difficult to put into words…well, things changed. I needed time to withdraw and just be, by myself for a while. > > Also, > Although I am very dedicated to my spiritual development I have never been dedicated to any one religion, one path, one teacher, one set of practices. I was/am having some conflict with this path. I know that it is stated very clearly that after Shaktipat nothing may happen but at the same time I do expect something to happen, some K activity, some clear indication that some kind of advancement, insight, development is happening and nothing has happened. > > Do I adopt a more " Zen/Taoist " attitude, let go of all expectation and just do the practice (the Tibetans, meditation, pranayama, finger locks, etc) for no reason at all, just do it because I do it. If I let go of all expectation then why do the practice and receive Shaktipat? I receive Shaktipat to get the benefits of K. The four times a year shaktpat is a little difficult for me, doing the Tibetans and meditation three times a day. Why do it if nothing happens? If I am going the Zen/Taoist way then I should let go of wanting K, of waiting for K, of hoping that K will do something for me. > > Then again I understand that things will not always happen just the way I, my ego, wants them to, on my terms, on my time table. Then again to go through all of this, Shaktipat four times a year, always holding my fingers together, etc., for nothing seems useless. Then again, it, K awakening, may happen at any time, perhaps I just need patience. Patience though means hope and expectation and waiting…living in the future, waiting for the big one. This is not the way to live. > > So I am in a bit of conflict here. > For now I continue to follow this path, do the practice and I plan on being involved in the next Shaktipat. Although I it will be difficult to balance the three time a day pracitce with familly/holiday activities. > > Meta Understanding. > I do have a strong inner sense of knowing that all is just as it should be and that what is happening now, if I like it or not, is right and good. I am where I need to be. I am feeling and thinking just I need for my spiritual development. So even in the conflict all is good as right and just as it needs to be. > > rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 , " phoenix.ing9 " <phoenix.ing9 wrote: > > my heart is with you Rich and I'm sorry about your father-in-law. As for the path, I don't really know what to tell you. This might be something that is your big learning for this lifetime just as my fear of public speaking is probably mine. There is deep insight into our major 'set backs' (for lack of a better term) that once learned, I have a feeling we'll be laughing at ourselves for all eternity . But these we must gain the required insight and wisdom, and not anything will change our perceptions until we've learned it (trust me I've tried everything from the Levkoe method, to EFT, to suppressing it, etc. and none have even remotely decreased this...). Please forgive me if > But just remember, it's not enough to just use the tool of our mental body (attention), we must also use the tool of our emotional body (intention). It's our intentions that are the various grades of fuel that propel us forward into real movement. Our attention is like the steering wheel of a car. Feel into 'why' you want this and let that propel you forward, if your intent is strong enough you will be given the circumstances for your enlightenment, in fact, as they say and as you pointed out, we're already enlightened, it just takes time. to realize this is so...And one thing that I've realized (and not saying this is what you're doing) is that prayer can be empty or meaningful. Empty is just when you say it because you feel you have to. Meaningful is when your intent is strong, you feel the love and the yearning to get to know Shakti, or similar types of intentions. I used to say the prayer 9 times each time I said it and realized that for the first 6 recitations, I was trying to hurry through it to have it done. Since I realized that, I cut out the 6 and just say 3 repetitions with my full heart and i feel the love radiating back to me. > > love to you Rich > craig oh yeah, and as far as the physical body is concerned, it can be seen as a car. You first have to enter the car before you can steer and use the fuel, metaphorically. So physical presence is the foundation, the stepping into the car of real movement (as opposed to the normal everyday 'motion' that most people go through and only keeps them traveling in circles) and then one can effectively use their attention and intention to navigate through their experiences. And thus the catch 22 that Mike talked about. But one thing I've noticed, especially with western interpretations of zen, is that they talk about body/mind connection but leave out the heart. And this is probably due to translation errors or something because I remember reading and following Thich Nhat Hahn's version of zen, as well as Jon Kabat Zinn, and that's where I learned that in the practice of mindfulness, easterners use mind and heart synonymously, and thus how one can simultaneously practice 'no-mind' with mindfulness, lol. But like everything that points toward the Truth, it's always going to be a big contradiction that the thinking mind can't figure out but the heart can feel it's way through. Hope some of this helps... blessings to you Rich craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hello Rich, Sorry for some of the heart challenges that you and your family have experienced. Nice to read you again. I do feel that for you the " Zen path of practice without expectation " would be best. I actually feel this is THE best practice path to take for anyone looking into awakening the Kundalini. It allows freedom for the Kundalini to manifest in any way that is the best for that person without the ego stepping in trying to control it. I also feel it is best to practice the safeties all of the time not just during the Shaktipat times. This can make it easier to do and not such a burden as some of the time is already there except for the expanded versions during Shaktipat. I feel you have a pretty good idea of your levels of comfort are with regards to bapancing a practice and what beliefs you are able to partake of. And I would like to invite you to understanding that there are many modalities within the teachings given here. Some from Taoists and Buddhists and Christianity and and the ancient Hindu and the Shamanic among many others. It varies for the individual. Here the Shakti is really the main teacher and though yes it is that which is given through me if you read the advices they are a mixture of many Kundalini teachings. From many different cultures and parameters of aplication and understanding. chrism is no one special. All have what he has. - blessings Rich and good to read you again! - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Good be in dialog here again too, glad you answered. I do the practice every day…but I only do the Tibetans and meditation once a day. Yes the " zen " type of path of dropping expectations is usually best. It is written so in most spiritual and religious systems and it matches my experience. It is not only a Zen Buddhist idea, I call it a zen approach just to make writing about it easy. Very difficult to do a practice based on getting something…Kundalini activation, which brings many wonderful, and perhaps some not so wonderful, so ego pleasing, changes…and not expect to get it. I do expect to get it, that is why I do the practice and participate in the Shaktipat. Reminds me of an old, I think Zen, saying, " everything is important and nothing matters " Easy to philosophys about, difficult to live. So here I am in my process, dealing with duality. Thank god all is just as it needs to be. rich , " " <> wrote: > > Hello Rich, > Sorry for some of the heart challenges that you and your family have experienced. Nice to read you again. > > I do feel that for you the " Zen path of practice without expectation " would be best. I actually feel this is THE best practice path to take for anyone looking into awakening the Kundalini. It allows freedom for the Kundalini to manifest in any way that is the best for that person without the ego stepping in trying to control it. > > I also feel it is best to practice the safeties all of the time not just during the Shaktipat times. > > This can make it easier to do and not such a burden as some of the time is already there except for the expanded versions during Shaktipat. > > I feel you have a pretty good idea of your levels of comfort are with regards to bapancing a practice and what beliefs you are able to partake of. And I would like to invite you to understanding that there are many modalities within the teachings given here. Some from Taoists and Buddhists and Christianity and and the ancient Hindu and the Shamanic among many others. > > It varies for the individual. > > Here the Shakti is really the main teacher and though yes it is that which is given through me if you read the advices they are a mixture of many Kundalini teachings. From many different cultures and parameters of aplication and understanding. > > chrism is no one special. All have what he has. - blessings Rich and good to read you again! - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Yes I resonate with this Still it is easy to write about and understand and even to teach but difficult to live. I do like to witness and say to myself, " Wow, this is fascinating. What is going on here? " and, at least for me, the other part of me is also there saying other…ego, judging type…things. Until there is no more ego I believe there will be ego type thoughts to deal with. As for seeking like a man with his hair of fire it is difficult to maintain that level of passion for 35 years. That is how long I have been on my path. I am a much more mellow person. That kind of passion comes in short spurts. Also I find that kind of passion only to frustration for me. rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Why not just be mad at Shakti and get it over with? Shaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Rich, yep, it is easy to write and talk about and difficult to live. Something popped up for me reading this when you mentioned that your passion brings you frustration. And again, this is my process, and may or may not be relevant.. I also used to get frustrated with intensly desiring outcomes and them not happening, and I was getting frustrated in my prayers to God, wondering if they would be answered or not. I had an insight that I was projecting my own bittersweet relationship of my earthly father onto God, and was living out a lifelong pattern of frustrated desire. When I saw it I could step out of it, by imagining the relationship I wanted with Shakti, and when seeing that pattern, I could choose a different option. Now, I pray with my hearts desire, feeling the prayer through my whole body, and then I go into meditation straight after, surrendering the how and fulfillment to God, and allowing letting go to occurr.. blessings Bruce , " omshakti333 " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > Yes I resonate with this > > Still it is easy to write about and understand and even to teach but difficult to live. > > I do like to witness and say to myself, " Wow, this is fascinating. What is going on > here? " and, at least for me, the other part of me is also there saying other…ego, judging type…things. Until there is no more ego I believe there will be ego type thoughts to deal with. > > As for seeking like a man with his hair of fire it is difficult to maintain that level of passion for 35 years. That is how long I have been on my path. I am a much more mellow person. That kind of passion comes in short spurts. Also I find that kind of passion only to frustration for me. > > rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hi Rich - everyone's path is different - your frustration at knowing where you are and what specific path / religion / belief system you should follow is common to many on this journey. On the belief system all religions point in the same direction if you look beyond the human-created veils or filters. Unfortunately those filters are often reinforced by years of conditioning and so prove a significant challenge to set aside. Use whatever system resonates for you, but strive to see beyond those veils and then seek the answers to the ensuing questions within - you will find the answers in your meditation with time and you will ultimately find that convergence of the belief systems - the truth is simple and yet often so hard to see. Remember that ultimately this IS a personal journey and teachers and religions will only point you in the right direction and help you when you stumble - in the final analysis it is up to you. Don't expect benchmarks or milestones - they become an expectation and then a possible source of disappointment. Osho puts it in a delightful way - the seeker creates time because he expects something to happen in the future. Live instead completely in the here and now and don't worry about the future and then things will unfold as they should. Creating an expected future only delays what you can achieve now. chrism teaches us to seek that inner peace. That comes with understanding and comprehending who and what you really are and knowing what it is that you truly are looking for. On 'finding' those answers duality vanishes and unconditional love becomes crystal clear. With it forgiveness unfolds and suddenly the frustrations in terms of those desired milestones or benchmarks dissipates - life in the here and now, despite the daily challenges that are put in our way to teach us lessons, becomes wonderful. The lessons may be hard but you perceive them in a new light and very much one of awareness and acceptance. In the meantime keep following that practice even though right now it may well seem meaningless and a chore. With time you will really look forward to your tibetans and meditation. Hang in there - blessings - Jonathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I don't understand, why would I be mad a shakti? rich , " shaktiaz " <shaktiaz wrote: > > Why not just be mad at Shakti and get it over with? > Shaz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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