What is suffering?

[Guest guest]

Hello All:

I am asking for your guidance please...a processing...your thoughts. I am trying

to identify my fear which this whole transition of mine is causing to surface.

It is so familar yet not something I have experienced to the depth that I

personally seem to be feeling and experiencing. What I am experiencing is beyond

my reality. It's about suffering. I am afraid to experience suffering. Not

death, but the suffering. Perhaps suffering can be relative to the person and

life circumstance; like crisis...what is a crisis for one is not at all for

another. But my fear of this in between-ness is profound. It has me scrambling,

yet I cannot thrash too much for when I do it's like being in quick-sand...and

my fear is if I let go of the branch keeping me afloat, I will surely be

engulfed and suffocated (Suffocated!) by the very substance that keeps me

suspended but alive in the limbo. But what truly is suffering...what does it

mean to suffer outside of the material loss, and the physical and emotional pain

and anguish, the deprivation or neglect? Can someone place suffering in a

spiritual context for me in a way I migh be able to embrace and surrender to the

possibiity and or reality vs thrashing like mad against the unknown and the

physical, emotional, material aspects of the pain which I seem to latch on to.

 

Any sharing would be so much appreciated.

 

On a side note...

 

In meditation, I was sitting and left hand was guided down to the floor, with

palm facing outward. My right hand faced outward and then was moved close to my

forehead but not touching. I sat like this for a while feeling the exchange of a

receiving an " energy " through my left hand, and out right palm and into my

forehead. Later, both arms were raised up high, stretched up high, and moved out

in a circle around me. It felt like the universe had been opened wide...it was

such an amazing and beautiful feeling and experience.

 

Love to you and thank you.

-Danielle

[Guest guest]

Danielle,

 

My first impressions on reading your words were of being in the womb. " I will

surely be engulfed and suffocated (Suffocated!) by the very substance that keeps

me suspended but alive in the limbo. " And also of being in coma. Both times of

transition, both times perhaps reluctant to come to this plane and experience

the separation and suffering that is part and parcel of life here?

 

Buddha said suffering is caused by misunderstanding the true nature of things.

 

Perhaps it is time to let go of the shore and let yourself be pulled into the

suffering tide of humanity? Only then can you have the experience of riding it

out, bobbing to the surface and realizing you can float?

 

Trust yourself, trust yourself, trust yourself. You came here for a reason.

 

Just some quick impressions.

 

Peace to you,

Shaz

 

--- <iamwaitingmoon wrote:

I am trying to identify my fear which this whole transition of mine is causing

to surface. It is so familar yet not something I have experienced to the depth

that I personally seem to be feeling and experiencing. What I am experiencing is

beyond my reality. It's about suffering. I am afraid to experience suffering.

[Guest guest]

Dear Danielle,

I think it is something like this...suffering ends where surrender begins.

Love, Sandra

 

 

, " iamwaitingmoon "

<iamwaitingmoon wrote:

>

> Hello All:

> I am asking for your guidance please...a processing...your thoughts. I am

trying to identify my fear which this whole transition of mine is causing to

surface. It is so familar yet not something I have experienced to the depth that

I personally seem to be feeling and experiencing. What I am experiencing is

beyond my reality. It's about suffering. I am afraid to experience suffering.

Not death, but the suffering. Perhaps suffering can be relative to the person

and life circumstance; like crisis...what is a crisis for one is not at all for

another. But my fear of this in between-ness is profound. It has me scrambling,

yet I cannot thrash too much for when I do it's like being in quick-sand...and

my fear is if I let go of the branch keeping me afloat, I will surely be

engulfed and suffocated (Suffocated!) by the very substance that keeps me

suspended but alive in the limbo. But what truly is suffering...what does it

mean to suffer outside of the material loss, and the physical and emotional pain

and anguish, the deprivation or neglect? Can someone place suffering in a

spiritual context for me in a way I migh be able to embrace and surrender to the

possibiity and or reality vs thrashing like mad against the unknown and the

physical, emotional, material aspects of the pain which I seem to latch on to.

>

> Any sharing would be so much appreciated.

>

> On a side note...

>

> In meditation, I was sitting and left hand was guided down to the floor, with

palm facing outward. My right hand faced outward and then was moved close to my

forehead but not touching. I sat like this for a while feeling the exchange of a

receiving an " energy " through my left hand, and out right palm and into my

forehead. Later, both arms were raised up high, stretched up high, and moved out

in a circle around me. It felt like the universe had been opened wide...it was

such an amazing and beautiful feeling and experience.

>

> Love to you and thank you.

> -Danielle

>

[Guest guest]

Left hand pulling earth energy into your matrix. Right hand mixing in the prana.

A balanced food for your process and for your mental mind to establish comfort

through being guided and shown how this works.

 

Suffering can be seen as the polishing process for the gem that you are. As a

diamond may need to be fractured this way and that in order to reflect light.

Sometimes the individual will need to be fractured in order to reflect a certain

quality of light.

 

To be able to surrender your fears is a personal process. You feel you may drown

if you let go of the branch holding you afloat not realizing that you can breath

under the surface!

 

Sometimes we can see these fears as the actual process of the " fracture " as we

are broken free of the concerns and fears that may be hindering our process.

 

Suffering is healthy. It allows for change to be experienced and for fear to be

released. It is a narrow path though as we do not want to become fixated on the

suffering leading us into obsessiveness. Knowledge of the process is a key

element in being able to traverse these areas safely and with sanity.

 

When we suffer we can see elements that need to be released. They shine for us

in stark reality as pain highlights them. Because of our ego hold on reality we

may struggle for a time before allowing this release to be attained.

 

Just know this Danielle - You " ARE " safe to struggle. The " you that you are "

will be fine always and IN all ways. The ego you will get polished. - blessings

Danielle. - chrism

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " iamwaitingmoon "

<iamwaitingmoon wrote:

>

> Hello All:

> I am asking for your guidance please..

[Guest guest]

Hi Danielle,

 

a definition of suffering I find useful is 'suffering = resistance + pain'

 

ONe possible take on this as that if resistance is ended (ie surrender happens)

then suffering ends. One way to look at resistance is the mind has deep seated

unconscious beliefs or scenarios about what it doesnt want, and then tries to

manipulate current reality so as to avoid those scenarios coming true. When that

habitual manipulation (ego strategies) is challenged, which kundalini does, the

process is resisted and felt as suffering.

 

Contained in the transformation process are these difficult in between periods,

or no-mans land places, where the old way is dying, the new way is emerging, and

the self has to kind of make a transition, letting go of the old and embracing

the new. This is not a simple leap, as it may literally be a death of the old

way, and that will carry all the fear of death and movement into the unknown, as

the new way is not known and can only be accepted on faith and trust. Yet,

metamorphosis will occurr.

 

I found in my process that after a new birth, the 'baby me' had to grow up a

little before the 'old me' was died to, and there was always a difficult,

confusing and challenging in between period. Going back to the first paragraph,

the ego mind and its old structures doesnt want to die, and wants to avoid the

death (letting go) scenario, and that may lead to suffering.

 

I found this death and rebirth can be either an egoic tgransformation as the

actual way that reality is contructed is changed, or it can be an egoic

transcendance.... and both can be tough and carry a dark night..

 

Suffering for me had other levels too. Perhaps one of the most intense was when

I felt acutely my isolation from God, an isolation nothing on earth could

satisfy. This was necessary as I died to parts of ego and awoke to Soul.

 

Spiritually, I see suffering (or resistance) as the process of breaking down our

self attachments so we can open undefended and fully to God. Resistance is then

welcomed as a gateway to the Divine.

I would try and do anything to the resistance... try and feel and observe it and

not get caught up in mental stories...

 

and a useful practice is to breath the resistance into your heart, and breath

ouot love and release (if you dont feel release then the intention to do so is

ok), and then expand this, breathing in the resistance of all the people in the

world and breathing out release. IN this way you can use your personal suffering

to generate compassion, connect to humanity and to begin to transform humanities

pain.... (this practice saved me in my worst moments, as it was a shift from

being overhwelmed by resistance, to being willing to face it and work with

it...)

 

love

Bruce

 

 

, " iamwaitingmoon "

<iamwaitingmoon wrote:

>

> Hello All:

> I am asking for your guidance please...a processing...your thoughts. I am

trying to identify my fear which this whole transition of mine is causing to

surface. It is so familar yet not something I have experienced to the depth that

I personally seem to be feeling and experiencing. What I am experiencing is

beyond my reality. It's about suffering. I am afraid to experience suffering.

Not death, but the suffering. Perhaps suffering can be relative to the person

and life circumstance; like crisis...what is a crisis for one is not at all for

another. But my fear of this in between-ness is profound. It has me scrambling,

yet I cannot thrash too much for when I do it's like being in quick-sand...and

my fear is if I let go of the branch keeping me afloat, I will surely be

engulfed and suffocated (Suffocated!) by the very substance that keeps me

suspended but alive in the limbo. But what truly is suffering...what does it

mean to suffer outside of the material loss, and the physical and emotional pain

and anguish, the deprivation or neglect? Can someone place suffering in a

spiritual context for me in a way I migh be able to embrace and surrender to the

possibiity and or reality vs thrashing like mad against the unknown and the

physical, emotional, material aspects of the pain which I seem to latch on to.

>

> Any sharing would be so much appreciated.

>

> On a side note...

>

> In meditation, I was sitting and left hand was guided down to the floor, with

palm facing outward. My right hand faced outward and then was moved close to my

forehead but not touching. I sat like this for a while feeling the exchange of a

receiving an " energy " through my left hand, and out right palm and into my

forehead. Later, both arms were raised up high, stretched up high, and moved out

in a circle around me. It felt like the universe had been opened wide...it was

such an amazing and beautiful feeling and experience.

>

> Love to you and thank you.

> -Danielle

>

[Guest guest]

Danielle,

I must first apologize because it is hard for me to type from my phone, however

I do want to share my thoughts.

 

In my thoughts on suffering I would have to say that suffering has a mystical

meaning. Suffering is offered up as sacrifice. If you were to look at the old

testament and review Christian thought you would see how suffering is used in

purification. Suffering is not a bad thing but rather a form of cleansing. When

I suffer, I am reminded to offer this up for others if it will help alleviate

their suffering. I hope you understand what I am saying. These are only a small

portion of my thoughts. I am at my sons game and it is halftime. Sorry.

 

Warren

 

, " iamwaitingmoon "

<iamwaitingmoon wrote:

>

> Hello All:

> I am asking for your guidance please...a processing...your thoughts. I am

trying to identify my fear which this whole transition of mine is causing to

surface. It is so familar yet not something I have experienced to the depth that

I personally seem to be feeling and experiencing. What I am experiencing is

beyond my reality. It's about suffering. I am afraid to experience suffering.

Not death, but the suffering. Perhaps suffering can be relative to the person

and life circumstance; like crisis...what is a crisis for one is not at all for

another. But my fear of this in between-ness is profound. It has me scrambling,

yet I cannot thrash too much for when I do it's like being in quick-sand...and

my fear is if I let go of the branch keeping me afloat, I will surely be

engulfed and suffocated (Suffocated!) by the very substance that keeps me

suspended but alive in the limbo. But what truly is suffering...what does it

mean to suffer outside of the material loss, and the physical and emotional pain

and anguish, the deprivation or neglect? Can someone place suffering in a

spiritual context for me in a way I migh be able to embrace and surrender to the

possibiity and or reality vs thrashing like mad against the unknown and the

physical, emotional, material aspects of the pain which I seem to latch on to.

>

> Any sharing would be so much appreciated.

>

> On a side note...

>

> In meditation, I was sitting and left hand was guided down to the floor, with

palm facing outward. My right hand faced outward and then was moved close to my

forehead but not touching. I sat like this for a while feeling the exchange of a

receiving an " energy " through my left hand, and out right palm and into my

forehead. Later, both arms were raised up high, stretched up high, and moved out

in a circle around me. It felt like the universe had been opened wide...it was

such an amazing and beautiful feeling and experience.

>

> Love to you and thank you.

> -Danielle

>

[Guest guest]

Suffering is an option. Something that you choose to do. Suffering is never

needed. God did not put us here to suffer. Suffering is forgetting. Suffering is

not remembering that we are always one with creator. The more you are suffering

the further into separation you have allowed yourself to fall. God is always

with us. We are never alone. We have our best friend with us. Always, in all

ways.