Doing and Not Doing - All Students please respond

[Guest guest]

How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

 

Are you pushing it and forcing it?

 

Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

 

Heres something:

 

Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

 

Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

[Guest guest]

Dear Chrism:   Kundalini has always approached me, and I have now fully

surrendered to Kundalini and the unfolding process. For me, this involves an

inner focus, a sensitivity to the subtle  presence, and not only an

" allowing "   of that, but as there is move of the kundalini to " act " , a

cooperation on my part to be used in whatever capacity kundalini chooses at that

moment. I have no interest in phenomena, I just accept whatever happens without

personal interest or intention.  (I had alot of phenomena as a child, and am

very clear that I was not the " doer " .  I never felt it was something within my

control, nor did I have the desire to control them.  Because I was so young, I

thought they were a natural occurance for everyone.  As I got a few years older

and my sensitivity increased, I did find that I was aware on a level that caused

me to be afraid, because by that time, I was old enough to realize that not all

" powers " were positive, and I

also realized my vulnerability.

 

 

 

 

           

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mon, November 23, 2009 4:58:36 PM

Doing and Not Doing - All Students

please respond

 

 

How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

 

Are you pushing it and forcing it?

 

Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

 

Heres something:

 

Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

 

Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I would have to say no to the last 2 questions, unless the desire to be rooted

in my own sacredness and to see/feel the sacredness in all life 24/7 counts... I

don't know how to answer the first question, I'm doing the practice, the

safeties and oh...I'm approaching Kundalini like She's my mother and I'm Her

child and I feel humility and love for Her to 'come' to me to lead the Way. I

feel blessed and I guess that's the best way I can describe how I'm approaching

Kundalini-Shakti, She's not mine to control, She's here to teach me.

 

craig

 

 

 

 

 

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> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

>

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

>

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

>

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

>

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism/All:

I feel a great love for the Kundalini within me. I approach it with open arms

and a huge embrace. I feel blessed and experience such in this way-as a

blessing, for there was a time when I was without a frame of reference and was

fearful of what was occurring. Now it is a celebration and it's joyful even

during more puzzling or challenging times.

 

I do not force it, or push it, but I am diligent in daily practice of The

Safeties, prayer and the Tibetans. Sometimes I struggle with the surrender and

other times I do not. Kundalini is not separate from me. It is me, and I am it.

I embrace and permit Kundalini to rise and churn and move through me and to

" ride the rainbow " .

 

This is evidenced most especially in the Kriyas-emotional, physical, vocal. I

do enjoy the learning that comes with these and I am amazed by the complexity of

the movements and the release and " understanding " , as well as the sensations

which tend to accompany such. I do cherish the dream teachings, as these all are

like the stepping stones along my journey. I experience the phenomena as little

or big gifts, as I know that I will not and do not always experience such. I do

say thank you and acknowledge the divine presence when experienced through

phenomena. But, I am not reliant upon or fixated upon phenomena to experience

Kundalini…my love for and connection to the divine is so much grander than

phenomena, which is difficult for me to articulate.

 

Love and gratitude:

-Danielle

 

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

With reverence, devotion, and awe. I try to organize my life around Her

imperatives.

 

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

My primary approach is surrender. What Goddess wills, will be. I love to bask

in love for Her.

 

I do not believe I " push it or force it. " I am not engaging in excessive

pranayama, chi/pranic practices, excessive exercise, etc. I strive for balance.

 

I sometimes circulate the light; sometimes within the body, sometimes shooting

out the top of my head and then the bottom of my spine, then back into my body

for a circuit in the upper body, ending either in the third eye or the tan tien.

Rarely more than once a day.

 

I do use gentle intent to ask Shakti to take me further - probably does not

qualify as pushing (or forcing) - more like nudging?

 

I have a few items on my " manifestation list. " These I write in my journal once

or twice a day and then surrender them to the Goddess.

I ask Shakti for some things - to send healing and love to those on the healing

list; to fill me with her Radiance; the use me as a channel for Her Divine Love;

to help me surrender completely to Her; to do with me what she will; to take me

completely, etc. I can become very drunk doing these things.

 

I do not think these are " pushing it or forcing it, " but these are requests and

desires - true, not the typical desires of a non-K active person, but still

desires.

 

I am addicted to the bliss of devotion (Bhakti). So I ask the Goddess and do

what I can to provide Her as much opportunity to take me as high as She wishes.

Being there for all the Shaktipats; trying to make it to seminars when

circumstances and finances permit (and working to make that the case!), trying

to organize my life to harmonize with my sadhana, to give Shakti every opening I

can - all these are ways in which I push it.

 

In my youth, I used to push it/force it with psych@d*lics, but it's been at

least 15 years since my last experience along those lines. Now I do " extreme

bhakti, " I guess.

 

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

My main phenomena - and I am addicted to it - is love-based bliss. I still my

mind, it comes. I chant her Name, it comes. I silently commune with a tiger at

the zoo, it comes. I read the posts, well, sitepat. Never mind reading

devotional poetry.

 

I have many useless powers, some downright irritating. I fry a computer every

few months. Most recently, I have graduated to frying other audio-visual

equipment, especially dvd players.

 

Other phenomena like empathy, telepathy, seeing auras, prana dots, glimpsing

astral entities, hearing sounds, etc., I've lived with for a long time, so

they're kind of normal for me.

 

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this?

I thnk so, yes. But I also feel this is something to ponder and meditate upon

and go deeper with.

 

My love and gratitude!

 

Love,

 

David

[Guest guest]

I'd like to chime in with a sciencey perspective. The idea of " potential

energy " is something we recognize, but I do not think we fully add up the energy

involved. The idea of potential energy is energy that manifests in slightly

strange ways: specifically you can move have almost no physical motion and

great potential energy (small scale) or you have great motion and great

potential energy (large scale, planets, orbiting satellites, etc.

 

I believe the human being is capable of " solving " a paradox, and therein lies

the difference between non-conscious matter (the " universe " ) and conscious. The

life energy that exists yet we ignore ....

 

I view the Kundalini experience as the state of " no time " where you do

everything " in the moment " . From an academic stance that would mean that you do

not act from your preconceptions alone and that you truly weigh each

" experience " according to the circumstances. Ego only gets involved when it has

a stake in the experience. Desire nothing at any given moment, and approach

life in this way, and you can worry less about your ego and make peace with the

world.

 

I don't actively pursue phenomena in a practice/idealogical way (that I know of

ha!) yet I do admit that levitation has always fascinated me. That's the

scientific side of me desiring validation

 

-Gabriel

 

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<> wrote:

>

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

>

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

>

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

>

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

>

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

Dear and all,

I follow safeties.I forgive.I do not get angry.If someone tries to make me

angry,I feel it is test of my patience.

Regarding K,I don't try to force or push it.I allow it to follow it's own

course.

I do yoga and Pranayama to increase my concentration,to be in thoughtless

condition.I walk for my fitness.

I recite Mantras Yog sutras Bhagvat Gita to refresh my memory.

Sometimes I experience White or Golden light  before going to sleep.

I sometimes experience void in meditation.

I read news papers but don't get involved,I watch TV for 30 mints.

I visit a known  person who's going to die,I give him healing.

I keep minimum contact with outside world.My only contact is with K members

and2-3 teachers,2-3 friends.

Total surrender will come when my ego will diminish.

I try to reduce my vice of tobacco

If I try to heal  person,he/she can feel good,may go in trance sometimes

depending on his/her progress.Now I won't

use this power anymore, because I am affected sometimes.

Initially I knew in which chakra K was,now I don't wish to

know.........................shrikant

 

 

 

 

 

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Tue, 24 November, 2009 6:28:36 AM

Doing and Not Doing - All Students

please respond

 

 

How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

 

Are you pushing it and forcing it?

 

Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

 

Heres something:

 

Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

 

Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

 

 

 

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear chrism,

I do not know yet... I am sometimes confused, sometimes not.. I am not pushing

it, no.

I have wondered if I should not receve the scatterfield, as I am not doing the

tibetans right now. and practice in general is a bit hiccupy.

I am mindful of the safeties, but sometimes feel I fail. there is an increased

awareness in me, but I do not feel I should push it as i get unbalanced...

by push it I mean making myself do what I think I should do.

 

my learning process at this time is of allowing, but with awareness.. taking

note of experiences and emotions and learning form them, without blocking but

allowing them to express if that is what they want to do. I guess this too is a

form of surrender.

 

I do get angry, I do resent, I do get sad and agitated and fearful and

frustrated.....but I try to work towards what brings me peace and balance and

joy, learning in the process.

so very slowly and gradually I will move towards what is calling me, allow

myself to open up.

 

I do not wish to pull back form the scatterfield, but I want you to know where I

am right now, and you see what's best.

 

.....sort of confused, but I know I am doing what is right for me to do at this

time, in this way.

much love to you and to all,

lucia

 

 

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<> wrote:

>

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

>

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

>

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

>

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

>

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism:  How are you approaching the Kundalini within you? 

 

With reverence and gratitude...... being in commumion with the divine that is

within and that I am within  is becoming more present in the " otherness " of my

life.  The otherness of my life is getting smaller and the oneness is

increasing...lol... that is what it feels like.

I am also in awe of the wonder of it all..... and I also have to laugh because K

has a sence of humour that just tickles me sometimes.

  It is an interesting question because Kundalini approached me, and now that I

am able to say thank you and yes and surrender to her working within me  I find

that I also approach Kundalini.  I do not have a concrete vision or picture

in my head of Kundalini.... some times it is like K is so much bigger than my

body but  she comes with great love and care for this body and works in me

with reverence for it.  My change of eating is connected into this but I do not

fully understand.   Often when  I " think " about  something K has revealed

it somhow blocks the knowing.   My ego likes to " know " so I am not feeding my

ego friend as much as I used to do.  I am approaching Kundalini now with trust

and I am falling more into trust and surrender.

I am now doing the 5 tibetians morning and evening and every so often a third

time..... I am starting to enjoy the tibetians ( doing only 9 of each ) and I am

begining to feel an inner response to doing them.  I do not think I am to

increase the number yet but perhaps soon.  I also do the other safeties.

 

 Chrism:   Are you pushing it and forcing it?

Not absolutly sure what you mean by this.... am I pushing and forcing  things

in order to have K ?

No, because K is here  and she is the one who pushes and forces...lol !

if you mean am I Pushing and forcing the energy around my body....  I would say

no to that too.... I do the locks in order to facillitate energy moving but I do

not push or force..... occasionally I do wonder if I should be a bit more

directive with where the energy goes... but I do not think I am ready for that

or if one is ever ready for that...K is in charge of all of that here and I am

happy to allow that to be the case.

 

Chrism:     Are you tied into having as much phenomena as you can?

Mmmm!  I am not " tied " into it...... but if phenomena include surges and

expansions of bliss and love then I must admit I do love it when that

comes. Actually when the less pleasent phenomena come.... like say work being

done in the pelvis or under the ribs.... it is still welcome and lets me know

that K is very real and present.

I am grateful now for the phenomena because it is a communication from K.... a

loving touch on every aspect of my being.... the physical emotional spiritual

mental aspects of my existence, all seperate yet all one.... as are we all.

 

Chrism:     Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same

time. Falling and standing at once.

Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

I can get it absolutly 100%.... some of the time ....  and then other times it

slips away... but yes, I can conceptualize this as long as I do not think about

it for too long..lol!

 

Julia:  I am really looking forward to the student scatterfield being placed,

it is a scared event and there seems to be a place within that is preparing for

this.... I now know that I want to be connected to you all through and to

the one source of Divine Love  that calls to us all.

Love Julia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tue, November 24, 2009 12:58:36 AM

Doing and Not Doing - All Students

please respond

 

 

 

 

Are you pushing it and forcing it?

 

Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

 

Heres something:

 

Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

 

Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Who is the Doer and who is not? The ego which we identify with may feel that it

is the doer,but in the background is always the Paramatma the original doer; for

can a leaf drop without his knowledge? or a blade of grass without his prompt.

I (the ego?) am neither the doer nor the enjoyer. If I choose to identify with

the Absolute, I will become the doer.

Doing or not doing, when the time is ripe or the time come,despite forcing or

not forcing, Mother Kundalini will arise! The only prayer then in the Subject

despite surrender or resistance, will be for her sweet embrace and consideration

as a mother to her baby, not to harm but to enlighten in the gentlest of ways.

No one yearns for a harsh awakening.

As for phenomena, like one Saint said " Tinsels,rubbish! " It will come unbidden

but detachment and self control coupled with humility will ensure that we do not

suffer the same consequences as many a sage had undergone in the past. The final

bus stop is liberation. That I am determined to reach/realize.

I remain humble.

 

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<> wrote:

>

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

>

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

>

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

>

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

>

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

I approach the kundalini through the safeties, and through my prayers. I ask for

help with the various areas I think I'm 'working' on.

 

I don't think I'm pushing or forcing at this time.

 

No, I don't think I'm tied tied in to having the phenomena. It's becoming more

and more about serving, loving and being a better person. Surrender. Perhaps I

desire the 'phenomena' of being more happy through service? Of feeling more

love? Yes that bliss state would be nice! But I think I'm happy to take it as it

comes, and to keep improving each day as best I can.

 

Yes, I think I know what you mean about the intention and letting go Chrism.

 

Much to learn in every one of these areas!

 

Thank you teacher, bradly

[Guest guest]

I approach the kundalini trough following the safeties and being open to it.

 

Im too wasted now to be forcing anything I did try to hasten and hoard

kundalini in the beginning. That was because of lack of understanding. I now see

kundalini as a process of growth and something that will become stronger in me

as I get more ready/open to receive.

 

I am in awe of every new phenomena and welcome them with gratitude, but I'm no

longer tied to having as much as possible. I do have a strong wish to grow so

sometimes when I don't have any strangeties for a while I begin to think Im

stagnant. In that way I might say Im tied to phenomena. In time I will get over

this.

 

Can I conseptualize? Hmm, not very well. But I do think I get what you are

saying.

 

Blessings to you too,

Aarni

[Guest guest]

Hi and all,

I have had a lot of fluttering, heat and cold, lately. There are times I find

myself pushing or forcing my practices but then almost immediately soften and

surrender. If anything, my forcing/pushing has been a way of controlling the

phenomenon. Doesn't work of course but getting my will out of there has been

part of my journey. I resist having phenomenon because of a year of very

intense phenomenon but am doing better with this. I am doing the safeties --

tibetans, meditation/breathing, joy practice, gratitude, etc. I like what you

wrote about levitation, Chrism, and about action intention and letting go. Yes,

I can conceptualize this. Love to you all, Jan

 

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<> wrote:

>

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

>

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

>

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

>

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

>

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

 

I do not push or force my Kundalini. I guess if I did, she would push back! Like

most people embracing Kundalini I wish to make progress but I also realise that

the timing of that progress is not up to me. I play my part, certainly, through

my practice but I believe that my focus should be on the practice and let the

results take care of themselves.

 

I guess my current feeling towards phenomena would be that of being neutral to

the concept. I am sure that some phenomena would be extremely interesting but I

do not crave or chase any type of phenomena. When strange things occur I

naturally think " that's strange " but I also think " welcome to the new normal " .

 

I understand what you mean when you say " Kundalini is as a way of action

intention and letting go at the same time " . You have to have the intention or

focus on what you are trying to achieve to take the necessary action or practice

to achieve the Kundalini. At the same time you need to surrender to the process

and not attach to any desired particular outcome or experience as a result of

the practice.

 

I have no problem surrendering the process to Shakti as she knows what has to be

done and what is required for me. I do not have this knowledge so it is easy to

leave the control of the process to her. I have already bought the ticket so now

all I can do is sit back and try to enjoy the ride.

 

Neil

 

 

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<> wrote:

>

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

>

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

>

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

>

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

>

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -

>

[Guest guest]

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

 

.......With humility and reverance.

 

> Are you pushing it and forcing it?

 

.......No, and I'm trying to stop resisting it, and to accept it. I'm trying to

overcome the fear.

 

> Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

 

.......No, and I'm trying to stop resisting them, and accepting them.

 

> Heres something:

>

> Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

> Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this?

 

........Acknowledgment opens the way.

 

-

>

Love, Sandra

[Guest guest]

Kundalini Ma came to me and claimed me eventhough i did not know her  then, i

knew She was divine and i surrendered to her. She stripped me of everything i

loved in these world, i have suffered much and still i surrendered. Now i am

alone and She's the only one i got.She caresses me and give me joy and bliss and

disspointments and failures. She exults me and brings me down to the depths of

despair. The only thing i could do is to surrender to it all. Sometimes i wonder

and ask, when will i be joined to the light? When will the sacred marriage take

place? Reality sets in and all i can do is surrender and wait.

 

St John of the cross warned of being enamored with phenomena, i have since tried

not to focus on it. The bliss & kriyas happen and i accept what comes and let it

be. Sometimes i want it to just blow my head off but it never happens lol so i

let everything be as it is. i can feel i am progressing slowly and i submit to

Chrism's words..slow is good!

 

love & blessings,

edgar

 

 

 

 

 

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Mon, November 23, 2009 4:58:36 PM

Doing and Not Doing - All Students

please respond

 

 

How are you approaching the Kundalini within you?

 

Are you pushing it and forcing it?

 

Are you tied in to having as much phenomena as you can get?

 

Heres something:

 

Levitation is an act of walking and not walking at the same time. Falling and

standing at once.

 

Kundalini is as a way of action intention and letting go at the same time. Can

you conceptualize this? -