Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hi Julia, yep, I would also love to hear what everyone says about this. I dont know the answer. Is a deep surrender the giving up of free will? Or is it simply choosing not to resist reality and God? and if we stop resisting reality, then a higher guidance can flow through us, and we 'choose' to act only at that higher guidance as being our highest will. There is a tremendous freedom in surrender as you dont have to choose any more.... Like I said, I am exploring this. Shakti has taught me lessons on surrender recently where I feel I dont have much individual will, rather, I am 'willed' by Spirit and then i just do what I am 'willed' to do.. so it doesnt even feel like I am choosing much.. I just do what is presented and act spontaneously and somehow have a sense it will all work out... and I wonder if I am being totally irresponsible.. haha... I am also saying this from a place of feeling fairly balanced, not ruled by any compulsions, pretty much resting in the fruits of the Spirit. There were clearly times in the past when I had to choose not to go along with the habitual ego tendancies I had and seek a higher way.. love Bruce , Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote: > > > > Hi Andy and Bruce and all >  > I would be very interested in hearing more discussion on Freedom. I assume that we will have different ways of looking at it and if others are ok with it I would love to hear different view points. > > If we assume that reincarnation is what occurs and karma is expressed assimulated and experienced in our reincarnations, are you saying that this means we really do not have  free will. So can I check, are you saying whether we emulate the best from within or emulate the worst from within it is not really our choice but a predetermined occurence??  > Perhaps this is not what you mean at all and I have misunderstood. > I do not know a huge amouont about this subject but I do think that reincarnation and Karma does not rule out personal choice and free will and  personal responsibility. I think God created laws and we can choose to be either lawful or not, but it is our free will which determines which we choose, it is not predetermined. >   Anyway those are my thoughts I would be really interested in hearing others if they feel like sharing. > Love Julia. > > > > > ________________________________ > Andrew <andyrpreston > > Mon, November 30, 2009 9:45:40 PM > Re: Checking in.. > >  > Interesting point Bruce, about our freedom. > > I was thinking about just that the other day. I thought, If I am seeking enlightenment, k-awakening and spiritual progression, then it will either happen for me or it wont. If it does, it was always going to, and if it doesnt, it never was... > > I talked to my wife about that. Her thinking was that if I just relaxed and stopped worrying about the futu.re I wouldn't put the effort in and things wouldn't happen for me. I disagreed. I said, if its my future to put the effort in, then I will. Hah ha! (she began ignoring me at that point and turned the tv on) > > As double dutch as that sounds, its also quite a relaxing thought. I cant do anything about my future, its always going to unfold exactly how it will. > > And I concur on the coffee, I gave it up for about 6 months, then started drinking it again last week. Eugh, do I ever feel bad off it. Time to quit it again for good I think. Green tea all the way lol > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 My current thought is along the same lines. I feel that life is indeed mapped out for us, we have a path before us and we are guided to make and do certain things. But I also think its a changing map, depending on choices we make. Those of us who's lives are lived in a spiritual, open, honest and caring way tend to follow a path given to us and find that things " work out for us in the end " , regardless of how hard life's lessons are up until that point. But I think that at any point something can arise in your life to make that path difficult to follow. People who don't live with karma in mind, the waters are much more murky for them. The path is there, but they fight against it. They create their own problems, they surround themselves with like minded people who all share similarly negative lives. Maybe they will gain materialistically, but they will reap what they sow in the end. I believe very strongly in Karma. In example; some teenage boys threw a load of rubbish on my car the other night. I know who did it, the old me would like to go and " speak " to them about it. If I listened to that side of me, chances are as a teacher I would lose my job. With all sorts of knock on negative effects for me that would change my life for the worse. I could pull myself back eventually, but it would be hard work. Alternatively, I could just brush the rubbish off and ignore them. Which is what I did. I never gave it or them a passing thought, my day went fine and I enjoyed teaching at school. Those boys will either stop doing things like that and become productive, or carry on and eventually face the consequences. And on and on it goes. Its 7am here so that might not make sense, not sure it says exactly what I mean. But there you go! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Free will to a certain % or degree exist for those who are K awakened and follow right handed spiritual path.................shrikant ________________________________ BruceO <bruce_oom Tue, 1 December, 2009 11:32:38 AM Re: Checking in..Julia - Free Will  Hi Julia, yep, I would also love to hear what everyone says about this. I dont know the answer. Is a deep surrender the giving up of free will? Or is it simply choosing not to resist reality and God? and if we stop resisting reality, then a higher guidance can flow through us, and we 'choose' to act only at that higher guidance as being our highest will. There is a tremendous freedom in surrender as you dont have to choose any more.... Like I said, I am exploring this. Shakti has taught me lessons on surrender recently where I feel I dont have much individual will, rather, I am 'willed' by Spirit and then i just do what I am 'willed' to do.. so it doesnt even feel like I am choosing much.. I just do what is presented and act spontaneously and somehow have a sense it will all work out... and I wonder if I am being totally irresponsible. . haha... I am also saying this from a place of feeling fairly balanced, not ruled by any compulsions, pretty much resting in the fruits of the Spirit. There were clearly times in the past when I had to choose not to go along with the habitual ego tendancies I had and seek a higher way.. love Bruce Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Julia Ahern <jajahern@.. .> wrote: > > > > Hi Andy and Bruce and all >  > I would be very interested in hearing more discussion on Freedom. I assume that we will have different ways of looking at it and if others are ok with it I would love to hear different view points. > > If we assume that reincarnation is what occurs and karma is expressed assimulated and experienced in our reincarnations, are you saying that this means we really do not have  free will. So can I check, are you saying whether we emulate the best from within or emulate the worst from within it is not really our choice but a predetermined occurence??  > Perhaps this is not what you mean at all and I have misunderstood. > I do not know a huge amouont about this subject but I do think that reincarnation and Karma does not rule out personal choice and free will and  personal responsibility. I think God created laws and we can choose to be either lawful or not, but it is our free will which determines which we choose, it is not predetermined. >   Anyway those are my thoughts I would be really interested in hearing others if they feel like sharing. > Love Julia. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Andrew <andyrpreston@ ...> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > Mon, November 30, 2009 9:45:40 PM > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Checking in.. > >  > Interesting point Bruce, about our freedom. > > I was thinking about just that the other day. I thought, If I am seeking enlightenment, k-awakening and spiritual progression, then it will either happen for me or it wont. If it does, it was always going to, and if it doesnt, it never was... > > I talked to my wife about that. Her thinking was that if I just relaxed and stopped worrying about the futu.re I wouldn't put the effort in and things wouldn't happen for me. I disagreed. I said, if its my future to put the effort in, then I will. Hah ha! (she began ignoring me at that point and turned the tv on) > > As double dutch as that sounds, its also quite a relaxing thought. I cant do anything about my future, its always going to unfold exactly how it will. > > And I concur on the coffee, I gave it up for about 6 months, then started drinking it again last week. Eugh, do I ever feel bad off it. Time to quit it again for good I think. Green tea all the way lol > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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