Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 It is interesting to be sure znelms. Yes on the one hand he is giving Shaktipat for those who can receive it and other the other hand he is giving a healing as well. They are not exclusive of eachother. One must be given the activation sequence in order to prepare the way for the Christ to come from within. John the Baptist was giving such a sequence I feel. This sequence can also come directly from the Christ of from the divine but John the Baptist was indeed " preparing the way of the Lord " within each individual in my humble opinion. This goes much farther and there is far more depth to it than even that but I will refrain from these aspects of explanation as I do not wish to challenge the contemporary belief systems of " modern Christianity. " There is no need to do this and for those within the Christ things are going fine with the faith and teachings at this moment. No need to rock that boat! - blessings to you znelms! - chrism , " znelms " <znelms wrote: > > I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. > John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Znelms, Baptism by water is the cleansing of the original sin we inherited from our original parents. Shaktipat imho was when the apostles led by peter laid their hands on people and the power of the Holy Spirit were transferred unto them. my 2 cents worth on it. namaste, edgar ________________________________ znelms <znelms Mon, December 14, 2009 8:22:00 AM John the Baptist  I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hi Snelms, I have not watched that film yet so I must do that soon. Interesting question... should get some interesting answers. I guess yes for sure is one answer. That said shaktipat is defined in different ways too, so I guess ?Is Baptism the same as Shaktipat? depends on how you view each sacred cermoney. My first thoughts...looking forward to reading answers... thanks for posting this. Love JA , " znelms " <znelms wrote: > > I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. > John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dear chrism... Must you refrain??? why do you fear that what you would say might say rock the boat for those within the Christ?? Is rocking the boat something to be avoided generally or does it depend on what or in whom one is in? Love JA > This goes much farther and there is far more depth to it than even that but I will refrain from these aspects of explanation as I do not wish to challenge the contemporary belief systems of " modern Christianity. " > > There is no need to do this and for those within the Christ things are going fine with the faith and teachings at this moment. No need to rock that boat! - blessings to you znelms! - chrism > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I posted this answer first and THEN I posted re Chrisms reply..don't know why there was a time delay and they appear here the wrong way around??? , " Julia " <jajahern wrote: > > Hi Snelms, > I have not watched that film yet so I must do that soon. > Interesting question... should get some interesting answers. I guess yes for sure is one answer. That said shaktipat is defined in different ways too, so I guess ?Is Baptism the same as Shaktipat? depends on how you view each sacred cermoney. My first thoughts...looking forward to reading answers... thanks for posting this. > Love JA > > , " znelms " <znelms@> wrote: > > > > I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. > > John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Chrism, I agree with Julia... must you refrain? I would love to hear your deeper position on this matter, not to rock any boats or to create arguments, but simply to allow for furthur understanding. I say this from a Christian perspective, and I am looking for my belief systems to be challenged And doesnt much of what is written and explored on this site challenge many of the belief systems of modern christianity already? love and curiosity bruce , " " <> wrote: > > It is interesting to be sure znelms. Yes on the one hand he is giving Shaktipat for those who can receive it and other the other hand he is giving a healing as well. They are not exclusive of eachother. > > One must be given the activation sequence in order to prepare the way for the Christ to come from within. John the Baptist was giving such a sequence I feel. This sequence can also come directly from the Christ of from the divine but John the Baptist was indeed " preparing the way of the Lord " within each individual in my humble opinion. > > This goes much farther and there is far more depth to it than even that but I will refrain from these aspects of explanation as I do not wish to challenge the contemporary belief systems of " modern Christianity. " > > There is no need to do this and for those within the Christ things are going fine with the faith and teachings at this moment. No need to rock that boat! - blessings to you znelms! - chrism > > , " znelms " <znelms@> wrote: > > > > I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. > > John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Chrism...if you do not mind, I know this post was addressed to you but ...I do have an input I'd like to add here. I really do not think the need to explain the " refraining " cause here. You are highly evovled and already " SEE " where this will take someone who's belief system may be different than ones own. We all ( at least those of us who are awakened) know that regardless of ones religious status...all is one and returns to one. I have seen this topic turn very ugly because not everybody has the same belief's. Fear is NOT the issue. I RESPECT your wish to abstain from the challenge. I honestly feel that this is more of an internal personal question one should pose upon themselves and come to a decision all their own. What one decides today may change tomorrow... My thoughts !!! Denny > Dear chrism... Must you refrain??? why do you fear that what you would say might say rock the boat for those within the Christ?? Is rocking the boat something to be avoided generally or does it depend on what or in whom one is in? > Love JA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 If i may voice my oppinion, John was making the way for the Christ. Emersing in water is symbolic of cleansing the water element or the sexual centre that some called swadhistana.giving access to the bridge over the emotional centre of manupura wuich is of the fire element. Fire of mind wich is conjuctunt to the heart centre is said to be the first aspect of mind though it is represnted by thr air element. Jesus as depicted in paintings and photographs of such ix shown to be of having an open heart centre which of cause he states only though me may you enter the kingdom of heaven. The higher three centres are of the fith element and are etheric; also is heaven. In Love John , " " <> wrote: > > It is interesting to be sure znelms. Yes on the one hand he is giving Shaktipat for those who can receive it and other the other hand he is giving a healing as well. They are not exclusive of eachother. > > One must be given the activation sequence in order to prepare the way for the Christ to come from within. John the Baptist was giving such a sequence I feel. This sequence can also come directly from the Christ of from the divine but John the Baptist was indeed " preparing the way of the Lord " within each individual in my humble opinion. > > This goes much farther and there is far more depth to it than even that but I will refrain from these aspects of explanation as I do not wish to challenge the contemporary belief systems of " modern Christianity. " > > There is no need to do this and for those within the Christ things are going fine with the faith and teachings at this moment. No need to rock that boat! - blessings to you znelms! - chrism > > , " znelms " <znelms@> wrote: > > > > I was watching Jesus of Nazareth last night and had a realization. > > John the Baptist was giving Shaktipat to all of those people in the river Jordan. Is that what Baptism really is? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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