Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 @@Urination is an action of the second chakra. You may wish to look at how your are giving and receiving your power.@@ Hi, Chrism, I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. AA often accompanies my conscious exits, but not so much with mental projections, though it can crop up anytime, really. I have often wondered what the energetic implications of this reaction to these certain states are for me and what I might do for it (if anything is called for). Or does it simply mean I am a sexual person/energy? Would like to hear your take. Thanks for any input you or anyone else has on the matter. x, Droxine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Thank you, C. As I read you, I am also thinking doesn't the " se%ual urge " really originate from the higher expressions, though, and then filter down and translate to us on this plane as human sexuality? Sure, we often pervert this energy or bend it to our needs, but it can also be experienced very purely, as you know, even from this plane. The pure power of light is very much of this nature, I have found. So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? I ask because my higher level experiences are wrought with high sexuality which I have always viewed as a resultant expression of dealing with the high energies. I guess I'm not sure how to contextualise this expression in the astral/OBE (or higher consciousness level) context, maybe because there aren't any apparent " context clues " as to how to interpret it. For example, its onset is not linked to the vision of a higher light being or angel (maybe one is near, but I am not aware of it). It most often seems triggered by the mere act of consciously exiting and being out for a few seconds. So, it's SOC dependent. I wish I knew for sure how to view this - as something to overcome as it is often regarded in the OBE community - or as a blessing of sorts, a reminder of one's truer, engulfing nature. Or am I somehow " stuck " in my second chakra and the blockage becomes apparent when I am OB? In our society, s & xuality can have a negative association, so I want to make sure I'm not tainting any interpretation with simple prudery or asceticism, but at the same time, don't want to be held back by any " condition " I might have, energetically - or by a not-ideal way of moving or holding energies. Nice to talk with you, too, x, Droxine , " " <> wrote: > > Yes hello Droxine, > As this is a function of the second chakra, and some of the other aspects of this center are the expressions of the s & xual arousal and activities of the s & xual natures, it is not surprising that as the physical body is always connected to the astral expression the connectivity can bring with it the arousal of the second chakra right on up into and within the astral experience and the lucid dream. Decisions and experiences can be given from these natures for the education and enlightenment of the individual as they are within these states. Especially during Kundalini amplified arousal. - Nice to read you dear friend! - chrism > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hello Droxine, You are inside of a specific level of Kundalini. This is how I am seeing you when I look. So this will change the dynamic of your ability to find reference and discernment for the aspects of the experience that will satisfy the ego consciousness. All energy is ultimately from the divine source. What you may experience in the astral the ego may classify as being of a higher source than that which is given in the physical but I will suggest that it is merely the reception from the individual in the astral state that is making the difference. Physical energy may not be received the same as astral energy. So in that context the energy of s & xuality will be received in a different way when it is received in the astral than when it is given and received in the physical as the dynamics of the two localities are different and yet similar. One state is not " higher " than another. There is a difference in vibration or frequency of expression much like life in the sea is different than life on the land. There is no filtering down but rather a unique and distinct expression of the divine urge to merge for each area of expression. With the inculcation of the Kundalini a frequency of divine transformation can occur. In this context there is often more of an experience of amplification and a transformation into frequencies of experience given that can open one through the change to new and very powerful frequency experiences of merging consciousness. Often one can enter into the astral with the ego intact. This is the unique quality of the OOBE. We must remember this when making determinations about what is and what isnt when in the astral state with an ego that is being given the opportunity to feel and express with in its natural function within the new experiences of the astral realm. Kundalini helps to mitigate this by assisting the individual through divine intervention towards the learnings that will balance for the baby self (ego self) these new and varied experiences that mimic some of the phyiscal but only through the need for reference. blessings and love dear Droxine! - chrism , " droxine5 " <Droxine1 wrote: > > Thank you, C. As I read you, I am also thinking doesn't the " se%ual urge " really originate from the higher expressions, though, and then filter down and translate to us on this plane as human sexuality? > > Sure, we often pervert this energy or bend it to our needs, but it can also be experienced very purely, as you know, even from this plane. The pure power of light is very much of this nature, I have found. > > So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? > > I ask because my higher level experiences are wrought with high sexuality which I have always viewed as a resultant expression of dealing with the high energies. > > I guess I'm not sure how to contextualise this expression in the astral/OBE (or higher consciousness level) context, maybe because there aren't any apparent " context clues " as to how to interpret it. For example, its onset is not linked to the vision of a higher light being or angel (maybe one is near, but I am not aware of it). It most often seems triggered by the mere act of consciously exiting and being out for a few seconds. So, it's SOC dependent. > > I wish I knew for sure how to view this - as something to overcome as it is often regarded in the OBE community - or as a blessing of sorts, a reminder of one's truer, engulfing nature. Or am I somehow " stuck " in my second chakra and the blockage becomes apparent when I am OB? > > In our society, s & xuality can have a negative association, so I want to make sure I'm not tainting any interpretation with simple prudery or asceticism, but at the same time, don't want to be held back by any " condition " I might have, energetically - or by a not-ideal way of moving or holding energies. > > Nice to talk with you, too, > > x, > Droxine > > > > > > , " " <@> wrote: > > > > Yes hello Droxine, > > As this is a function of the second chakra, and some of the other aspects of this center are the expressions of the s & xual arousal and activities of the s & xual natures, it is not surprising that as the physical body is always connected to the astral expression the connectivity can bring with it the arousal of the second chakra right on up into and within the astral experience and the lucid dream. Decisions and experiences can be given from these natures for the education and enlightenment of the individual as they are within these states. Especially during Kundalini amplified arousal. - Nice to read you dear friend! - chrism > > > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > > I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 what is the best way to direct sex@al arousal, I frequently become very aroused during meditation and can't seem to redirect the energy, any body else have this experience? any suggestions on what to do with this energy? Blessings Maryann , " droxine5 " <Droxine1 wrote: > > Thank you, C. As I read you, I am also thinking doesn't the " se%ual urge " really originate from the higher expressions, though, and then filter down and translate to us on this plane as human sexuality? > > Sure, we often pervert this energy or bend it to our needs, but it can also be experienced very purely, as you know, even from this plane. The pure power of light is very much of this nature, I have found. > > So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? > > I ask because my higher level experiences are wrought with high sexuality which I have always viewed as a resultant expression of dealing with the high energies. > > I guess I'm not sure how to contextualise this expression in the astral/OBE (or higher consciousness level) context, maybe because there aren't any apparent " context clues " as to how to interpret it. For example, its onset is not linked to the vision of a higher light being or angel (maybe one is near, but I am not aware of it). It most often seems triggered by the mere act of consciously exiting and being out for a few seconds. So, it's SOC dependent. > > I wish I knew for sure how to view this - as something to overcome as it is often regarded in the OBE community - or as a blessing of sorts, a reminder of one's truer, engulfing nature. Or am I somehow " stuck " in my second chakra and the blockage becomes apparent when I am OB? > > In our society, s & xuality can have a negative association, so I want to make sure I'm not tainting any interpretation with simple prudery or asceticism, but at the same time, don't want to be held back by any " condition " I might have, energetically - or by a not-ideal way of moving or holding energies. > > Nice to talk with you, too, > > x, > Droxine > > > > > > , " " <@> wrote: > > > > Yes hello Droxine, > > As this is a function of the second chakra, and some of the other aspects of this center are the expressions of the s & xual arousal and activities of the s & xual natures, it is not surprising that as the physical body is always connected to the astral expression the connectivity can bring with it the arousal of the second chakra right on up into and within the astral experience and the lucid dream. Decisions and experiences can be given from these natures for the education and enlightenment of the individual as they are within these states. Especially during Kundalini amplified arousal. - Nice to read you dear friend! - chrism > > > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > > I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Divine urge to merge is overwhelming sometimes. I guess I need to get on a singles web site LOL Maryann , " " <> wrote: > > Hello Droxine, > You are inside of a specific level of Kundalini. This is how I am seeing you when I look. So this will change the dynamic of your ability to find reference and discernment for the aspects of the experience that will satisfy the ego consciousness. > > All energy is ultimately from the divine source. > > What you may experience in the astral the ego may classify as being of a higher source than that which is given in the physical but I will suggest that it is merely the reception from the individual in the astral state that is making the difference. Physical energy may not be received the same as astral energy. > > So in that context the energy of s & xuality will be received in a different way when it is received in the astral than when it is given and received in the physical as the dynamics of the two localities are different and yet similar. > > One state is not " higher " than another. There is a difference in vibration or frequency of expression much like life in the sea is different than life on the land. > > There is no filtering down but rather a unique and distinct expression of the divine urge to merge for each area of expression. > > With the inculcation of the Kundalini a frequency of divine transformation can occur. In this context there is often more of an experience of amplification and a transformation into frequencies of experience given that can open one through the change to new and very powerful frequency experiences of merging consciousness. > > Often one can enter into the astral with the ego intact. This is the unique quality of the OOBE. We must remember this when making determinations about what is and what isnt when in the astral state with an ego that is being given the opportunity to feel and express with in its natural function within the new experiences of the astral realm. > > Kundalini helps to mitigate this by assisting the individual through divine intervention towards the learnings that will balance for the baby self (ego self) these new and varied experiences that mimic some of the phyiscal but only through the need for reference. > > blessings and love dear Droxine! - chrism > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > Thank you, C. As I read you, I am also thinking doesn't the " se%ual urge " really originate from the higher expressions, though, and then filter down and translate to us on this plane as human sexuality? > > > > Sure, we often pervert this energy or bend it to our needs, but it can also be experienced very purely, as you know, even from this plane. The pure power of light is very much of this nature, I have found. > > > > So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? > > > > I ask because my higher level experiences are wrought with high sexuality which I have always viewed as a resultant expression of dealing with the high energies. > > > > I guess I'm not sure how to contextualise this expression in the astral/OBE (or higher consciousness level) context, maybe because there aren't any apparent " context clues " as to how to interpret it. For example, its onset is not linked to the vision of a higher light being or angel (maybe one is near, but I am not aware of it). It most often seems triggered by the mere act of consciously exiting and being out for a few seconds. So, it's SOC dependent. > > > > I wish I knew for sure how to view this - as something to overcome as it is often regarded in the OBE community - or as a blessing of sorts, a reminder of one's truer, engulfing nature. Or am I somehow " stuck " in my second chakra and the blockage becomes apparent when I am OB? > > > > In our society, s & xuality can have a negative association, so I want to make sure I'm not tainting any interpretation with simple prudery or asceticism, but at the same time, don't want to be held back by any " condition " I might have, energetically - or by a not-ideal way of moving or holding energies. > > > > Nice to talk with you, too, > > > > x, > > Droxine > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " <@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes hello Droxine, > > > As this is a function of the second chakra, and some of the other aspects of this center are the expressions of the s & xual arousal and activities of the s & xual natures, it is not surprising that as the physical body is always connected to the astral expression the connectivity can bring with it the arousal of the second chakra right on up into and within the astral experience and the lucid dream. Decisions and experiences can be given from these natures for the education and enlightenment of the individual as they are within these states. Especially during Kundalini amplified arousal. - Nice to read you dear friend! - chrism > > > > > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > > > > I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Now, I will give a SERIOUS answer to this one! I've always had this " connection " (what some call psychic). When I first started using the internet (before cars were invented-I think)--- I would feel this energy when chatting with certain females. It actually caused this 'arousal'. Mind you--the conversation was never 'sexual'. Later, someone (that was female) and very in tune with the energies-- explained how this can be mistaken as sexual energy.. ..I suppose when one is operating from the lower chakras. Since then--no problem. Maybe chrism has thoughts on this? Sincerely (really!) Stephen - mawmuth Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:14 AM Re: astral arousal implications? Divine urge to merge is overwhelming sometimes. I guess I need to get on a singles web site LOL Maryann , " " <> wrote: > > Hello Droxine, > You are inside of a specific level of Kundalini. This is how I am seeing you when I look. So this will change the dynamic of your ability to find reference and discernment for the aspects of the experience that will satisfy the ego consciousness. > > All energy is ultimately from the divine source. > > What you may experience in the astral the ego may classify as being of a higher source than that which is given in the physical but I will suggest that it is merely the reception from the individual in the astral state that is making the difference. Physical energy may not be received the same as astral energy. > > So in that context the energy of s & xuality will be received in a different way when it is received in the astral than when it is given and received in the physical as the dynamics of the two localities are different and yet similar. > > One state is not " higher " than another. There is a difference in vibration or frequency of expression much like life in the sea is different than life on the land. > > There is no filtering down but rather a unique and distinct expression of the divine urge to merge for each area of expression. > > With the inculcation of the Kundalini a frequency of divine transformation can occur. In this context there is often more of an experience of amplification and a transformation into frequencies of experience given that can open one through the change to new and very powerful frequency experiences of merging consciousness. > > Often one can enter into the astral with the ego intact. This is the unique quality of the OOBE. We must remember this when making determinations about what is and what isnt when in the astral state with an ego that is being given the opportunity to feel and express with in its natural function within the new experiences of the astral realm. > > Kundalini helps to mitigate this by assisting the individual through divine intervention towards the learnings that will balance for the baby self (ego self) these new and varied experiences that mimic some of the phyiscal but only through the need for reference. > > blessings and love dear Droxine! - chrism > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > Thank you, C. As I read you, I am also thinking doesn't the " se%ual urge " really originate from the higher expressions, though, and then filter down and translate to us on this plane as human sexuality? > > > > Sure, we often pervert this energy or bend it to our needs, but it can also be experienced very purely, as you know, even from this plane. The pure power of light is very much of this nature, I have found. > > > > So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? > > > > I ask because my higher level experiences are wrought with high sexuality which I have always viewed as a resultant expression of dealing with the high energies. > > > > I guess I'm not sure how to contextualise this expression in the astral/OBE (or higher consciousness level) context, maybe because there aren't any apparent " context clues " as to how to interpret it. For example, its onset is not linked to the vision of a higher light being or angel (maybe one is near, but I am not aware of it). It most often seems triggered by the mere act of consciously exiting and being out for a few seconds. So, it's SOC dependent. > > > > I wish I knew for sure how to view this - as something to overcome as it is often regarded in the OBE community - or as a blessing of sorts, a reminder of one's truer, engulfing nature. Or am I somehow " stuck " in my second chakra and the blockage becomes apparent when I am OB? > > > > In our society, s & xuality can have a negative association, so I want to make sure I'm not tainting any interpretation with simple prudery or asceticism, but at the same time, don't want to be held back by any " condition " I might have, energetically - or by a not-ideal way of moving or holding energies. > > > > Nice to talk with you, too, > > > > x, > > Droxine > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " <@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes hello Droxine, > > > As this is a function of the second chakra, and some of the other aspects of this center are the expressions of the s & xual arousal and activities of the s & xual natures, it is not surprising that as the physical body is always connected to the astral expression the connectivity can bring with it the arousal of the second chakra right on up into and within the astral experience and the lucid dream. Decisions and experiences can be given from these natures for the education and enlightenment of the individual as they are within these states. Especially during Kundalini amplified arousal. - Nice to read you dear friend! - chrism > > > > > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > > > > I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Maryann, Here are some things that work for me. I visualize the Goddess or a Dakini or other attractive feminine manifestation of the Divine as approaching and sitting astride me in c (AT) itus (DOT) I view Her with reverence and adoration. I ask that we merge in love and that She direct her/our energy up my spine. I might " circulate the light " around us both - visualizing energy going up the back of my spine, around over the top of my head, down her back, and repeating. Then it can go in several different directions. In one variation, I simply visualize the energy going down from the point where we are connected to the base of the spine and continuing upward in my spine. Repeat as necessary. Another variation, I visualize her at the base of my spine, inserting her tongue into my spine and it moves up my spine as energy. In yet another variation, as we are joined, she turns around so we both face forward, still joined, and I see our spines and bodies merge into one. I see our chakras connect and overlay each other one by one, starting at the root chakra. Eventually we merge completely and look out through joined eyes - two overlapping, two that are one. Each of these variations ends with a strong and delightful meditation, usually focused on or just sitting in awareness at the heart chakra or above. When I am out and about in the world and am hit with se%ual energy, I try to view all women as the Divine Shakti, all are emanations and emissaries of Her. Including whoever may be the initial stimulus if I saw an attractive or se#ually energetic person. All are Divine. I admire all of her attributes, physical and otherwise, with a loving heart, seeing her as Divine. This can change the nature of the attraction to one of reverance and devotion rather than pure l*st, though some of that may be mixed in as well. In my mind this outer person turns into my inner image of the Goddess. I may allow the inner image of the Goddess to merge with me as described above, even if I am walking in the street or wherever, or I may just worship this inner image. Being out and about, this does not usually end with a meditation period, but it definitely transforms the inner experience away from one of raw s**ual energy. This often results in a sense that I am looking out at the world from my sushumna or from one of the chakras above the solar plexus. Love, David , " mawmuth " <maw2005 wrote: > > what is the best way to direct sex@al arousal, I frequently become very aroused during meditation and can't seem to redirect the energy, any body else have this experience? any suggestions on what to do with this energy? > Blessings > Maryann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Another option you might consider - find a partner and allow your se*ual being to be. Love, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Thank you David, have done a bit of this with Jesus but then I felt so irreverant. His light comes to me from his hands and then his whole body and then we merge. I think I will try to change the nature of the attraction to one of reverance and devotion like you suggest. I will also try circulating the light. I also have lots of electricity following org@sm my body convulses around as if I am getting electro shocks. I worry that if I get a partner it would scare him. Blessings Maryann , " djgottlieb " <dgottlieb wrote: > > > > Maryann, > > Here are some things that work for me. > > I visualize the Goddess or a Dakini or other attractive feminine manifestation of the Divine as approaching and sitting astride me in c (AT) itus (DOT) I view Her with reverence and adoration. I ask that we merge in love and that She direct her/our energy up my spine. > > I might " circulate the light " around us both - visualizing energy going up the back of my spine, around over the top of my head, down her back, and repeating. > > Then it can go in several different directions. > > In one variation, I simply visualize the energy going down from the point where we are connected to the base of the spine and continuing upward in my spine. Repeat as necessary. > > Another variation, I visualize her at the base of my spine, inserting her tongue into my spine and it moves up my spine as energy. > > In yet another variation, as we are joined, she turns around so we both face forward, still joined, and I see our spines and bodies merge into one. I see our chakras connect and overlay each other one by one, starting at the root chakra. Eventually we merge completely and look out through joined eyes - two overlapping, two that are one. > > Each of these variations ends with a strong and delightful meditation, usually focused on or just sitting in awareness at the heart chakra or above. > > When I am out and about in the world and am hit with se%ual energy, I try to view all women as the Divine Shakti, all are emanations and emissaries of Her. Including whoever may be the initial stimulus if I saw an attractive or se#ually energetic person. All are Divine. I admire all of her attributes, physical and otherwise, with a loving heart, seeing her as Divine. This can change the nature of the attraction to one of reverance and devotion rather than pure l*st, though some of that may be mixed in as well. In my mind this outer person turns into my inner image of the Goddess. I may allow the inner image of the Goddess to merge with me as described above, even if I am walking in the street or wherever, or I may just worship this inner image. Being out and about, this does not usually end with a meditation period, but it definitely transforms the inner experience away from one of raw s**ual energy. This often results in a sense that I am looking out at the world from my sushumna or from one of the chakras above the solar plexus. > > Love, > > David > > > > , " mawmuth " <maw2005@> wrote: > > > > what is the best way to direct sex@al arousal, I frequently become very aroused during meditation and can't seem to redirect the energy, any body else have this experience? any suggestions on what to do with this energy? > > Blessings > > Maryann > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Hah where do you live I'm on my way. How to find a partner that would not freak out about the intense electricity. Blessings Maryann , " djgottlieb " <dgottlieb wrote: > > Another option you might consider - find a partner and allow your se*ual being to be. > > Love, > > David > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Ah Maryann, I am already spoken for, but if K is leading you to a partner, then She is also leading the partner to you, and you will find each other.... Love, David , " mawmuth " <maw2005 wrote: > > Hah where do you live I'm on my way. How to find a partner that would not freak out about the intense electricity. > > Blessings > Maryann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 >>> So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? ------------------- Thank you again, C., for your follow-up. It helped me to think about the matter. My lower consciousness still craves definitive answers about the phenomenology of what is going on with this reaction in the various circumstances and the actual energetic mechanics behind it, but for now, I guess surrender, trust and acceptance have their place. You are certainly right about these drives behaving differently in the various states of awareness. I can't recall an instance of carryover from a physically-origninating arousal, so I am thinking it must be a reaction either to something in the astral environment or my own emotional elevation at having got out of my body and being in the astral, with so much opportunity and potential opened up to me. Its onset is sudden, unheralded and unstoppable. It feels more (to my lower consciousness) like something is expressing through me than something I (lower self) am expressing. I guess that could be something unconscious or something with the energy flow like I was asking about, but that is a hallmark, too, of higher experience. In any event, I don't waste a lot of time fighting it. I usually try to go with the flow without judgment in these cases. David, I was touched by your methods of channeling this type of energy through visualisation and ordering the experience on the conscious level into something elevated and embraced and participated in (at this level). Maybe I'll try to work with the AA in a similar fashion, as I often just wind up feeling a bit desperate and lost in the situation. >>> What you may experience in the astral the ego may classify as being of a higher source than that which is given in the physical but I will suggest that it is merely the reception from the individual in the astral state that is making the difference. Physical energy may not be received the same as astral energy. I really like this, and it's so true. And yes, all energy comes from Divine Source. It can but doesn't need to come through the phys body when the peson is in the astral or in an elevated state of consciousness. When speaking of OBE, I think too many come from the position of the physical body, which is like focussing on the anchor without noticing the sails. >>> One state is not " higher " than another. There is a difference in vibration or frequency of expression much like life in the sea is different than life on the land. There is no filtering down but rather a unique and distinct expression of the divine urge to merge for each area of expression. <<< I'm not sure I can get behind the " one state is not " higher " than another " statement. Are you saying no state is higher than another? Maybe it's a matter of semantics, but there are states of awareness that correspond to more refined, intense, powerful energies and expressions, and those states are the more expanded and allowing of more Truth (what we're all here aspiring to embody). Thus, in my view, these higher vibrational states can definitely be classed as a *higher* grade of perceptual or experiential state or further along on the evolutionary spectrum, closer to Truth or however you want to phrase it if you don't like to use the word, " higher. " It all means the same to me. I've felt the crushing weight of higher-concentrated love energy and been overcome (actually passing out) in the face of a scene of beauty which was " dialed-up " for me in a kind of perceptual experiment at my request. Instances like this and like the many experiences we are having that are K-related demonstrate how frail and small the human vessel is in comparison to Reality, and how inadequate in holding these higher energies. We really are just sticking a toe into the kiddie pool, here, ridiculously armoured with about 50 inflatable floaties. We're nowhere near our " natural element, " we're just not big enough to handle it under present circumstances. We're playing in a tiny corner of rarified subtlety with an eternity of heavy light pressing in from all sides, infringing and waiting to devour its own again. It's this dynamic we're hungering after and reflected in - nothing here. That is why the human body is undergoing change right now as part of the spiritual evolution, to accomodate our desire to evolve and bring in more of Home, and this involves the entrance into higher vibrational realms. I don't see the shifting into broader perceptual and embodiment dynamics as the same as moving from sea onto land or vice versa; more like removing a blindfold you've lived with your whole life to let the whole world into your awareness - but also a blindfold that crippled you in countless ways. So, it's difficult for me not to conceptualise this movement as anything but " a step up, " closer to God or " higher. " To me, " higher " is synonymous with " expanded. " In the astral, and particularly in a lucid/conscious experience, the blindfold is removed at least partially, so it affords a broader view and self-valuation. One is more exposed to the purer energies and more responsive to them. But when I speak of higher states of consciousness, I'm not just talking about OBE as it is described today in books, but all mystical and multidimensional experiential states which bypass the narrow physical plane parameters. One need not be OB to be in an elevated state. The body need not impede, and higher forms of Self can work through the human body with or without the involvement of the lower/ego/concsious self. In all these higher, more opened states the energy of what we call & ex is readily and powerfully excitable, perhaps even more so the higher the state that is attained. So, I'm prone to believe that what we experience as & ex, as with all physical experience, as with our very form and substance, is a filter down from higher, more concentrated expressions. As I said before, there can be corruption or preversion according to what we do with or how we perceive these energies, but they are coming from on high, as everything does. How can you say there is no filtering down when you also say that all energy comes from Source? If it doesn't filter down, then how does the energy get here? It is said that everything we have on the physical plane is first created in the non-physical planes. In the case of humans incarnate, I see an even sturdier connection to the " upper reaches " or " inner source. " I look at humans as being part of a larger, soul continuum that reaches all the way up to Source, so naturally, the trickle down notion of soul energy (higher energies) fits this model. We've all had reactions, been deeply touched or profoundly affected by something, which have taken us by surprise or seemed inappropriate or even nonsensical. These are our higher aspects at work; we are connected always to them (just not fully embodying them at this level). I see everything as filter down, really - it's only ego that gets in the way of this natural flow. Maybe what you are meaning to say in the above is that entrance into the astral does not guarantee an elevated, spiritual state for the human participant. I'm not sure about this either, as I have only my own experience to draw from and I think the sheer act of being away from the physical container opens you and sets your mind on a different path of functionality and knowingness and remembering. (I'm not counting lower astral/lost/discarnate/neg inhabitants of certain astral vibrational levels, I'm just talking about the experience of the average OBE'er or spiritual seeker.) But I'll stop guessing at what you might have meant. Ha. Sorry I've probably misunderstood you, as I'm fairly certain you do believe in higher states of being and awareness - and our ability to reach some of them from here and integrate them - otherwise, why would you be doing what you are doing? Duh! >>> You are inside of a specific level of Kundalini. This is how I am seeing you when I look. So this will change the dynamic of your ability to find reference and discernment for the aspects of the experience that will satisfy the ego consciousness. Just one more question. What do you mean when you say I am " inside a specific level of Kundalini? " Can I ask what you are seeing in terms of this level and any other pertinent advice you may have? I really did enjoy your reply and got a lot out of it. Ever grateful for your viewpoint and wisdom, even when it takes several readings and further questions to fully comprehend! x, Droxine , " " <> wrote: > > Hello Droxine, > You are inside of a specific level of Kundalini. This is how I am seeing you when I look. So this will change the dynamic of your ability to find reference and discernment for the aspects of the experience that will satisfy the ego consciousness. > > All energy is ultimately from the divine source. > > What you may experience in the astral the ego may classify as being of a higher source than that which is given in the physical but I will suggest that it is merely the reception from the individual in the astral state that is making the difference. Physical energy may not be received the same as astral energy. > > So in that context the energy of s & xuality will be received in a different way when it is received in the astral than when it is given and received in the physical as the dynamics of the two localities are different and yet similar. > > One state is not " higher " than another. There is a difference in vibration or frequency of expression much like life in the sea is different than life on the land. > > There is no filtering down but rather a unique and distinct expression of the divine urge to merge for each area of expression. > > With the inculcation of the Kundalini a frequency of divine transformation can occur. In this context there is often more of an experience of amplification and a transformation into frequencies of experience given that can open one through the change to new and very powerful frequency experiences of merging consciousness. > > Often one can enter into the astral with the ego intact. This is the unique quality of the OOBE. We must remember this when making determinations about what is and what isnt when in the astral state with an ego that is being given the opportunity to feel and express with in its natural function within the new experiences of the astral realm. > > Kundalini helps to mitigate this by assisting the individual through divine intervention towards the learnings that will balance for the baby self (ego self) these new and varied experiences that mimic some of the phyiscal but only through the need for reference. > > blessings and love dear Droxine! - chrism > > , " droxine5 " Droxine1@ wrote: > > > > Thank you, C. As I read you, I am also thinking doesn't the " se%ual urge " really originate from the higher expressions, though, and then filter down and translate to us on this plane as human sexuality? > > > > Sure, we often pervert this energy or bend it to our needs, but it can also be experienced very purely, as you know, even from this plane. The pure power of light is very much of this nature, I have found. > > > > So, how exactly do we know when we have been triggered by a second chakra (physical body function) issue as opposed to a sudden influx/expression of higher energy (non-body dependent)? > > > > I ask because my higher level experiences are wrought with high sexuality which I have always viewed as a resultant expression of dealing with the high energies. > > > > I guess I'm not sure how to contextualise this expression in the astral/OBE (or higher consciousness level) context, maybe because there aren't any apparent " context clues " as to how to interpret it. For example, its onset is not linked to the vision of a higher light being or angel (maybe one is near, but I am not aware of it). It most often seems triggered by the mere act of consciously exiting and being out for a few seconds. So, it's SOC dependent. > > > > I wish I knew for sure how to view this - as something to overcome as it is often regarded in the OBE community - or as a blessing of sorts, a reminder of one's truer, engulfing nature. Or am I somehow " stuck " in my second chakra and the blockage becomes apparent when I am OB? > > > > In our society, s & xuality can have a negative association, so I want to make sure I'm not tainting any interpretation with simple prudery or asceticism, but at the same time, don't want to be held back by any " condition " I might have, energetically - or by a not-ideal way of moving or holding energies. > > > > Nice to talk with you, too, > > > > x, > > Droxine > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " <@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes hello Droxine, > > > As this is a function of the second chakra, and some of the other aspects of this center are the expressions of the s & xual arousal and activities of the s & xual natures, it is not surprising that as the physical body is always connected to the astral expression the connectivity can bring with it the arousal of the second chakra right on up into and within the astral experience and the lucid dream. Decisions and experiences can be given from these natures for the education and enlightenment of the individual as they are within these states. Especially during Kundalini amplified arousal. - Nice to read you dear friend! - chrism > > > > > > , " droxine5 " <Droxine1@> wrote: > > > > > > > I am wondering if this issue is related to the phenomenon of " astral arousal, " which is a common experience for me during local/near-local OBEs or certain lucid/near-lucid states. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 @@But when I speak of higher states of consciousness, I'm not just talking about OBE as it is described today in books, but all mystical and multidimensional experiential states which bypass the narrow physical plane parameters.@@ ------------- Chrism, Everything can be explained - everything " makes sense " or is " right " as seen from the appropriate level of understanding and functioning, just not generally the ego/conscious level, which is why we try to integrate the higher levels of consciousness and awareness. Yes, I have been graced with a mind that has been able to come to some few and very small understandings of greater reality (observations of patterns and connections, mostly) and my sanity was saved for it; but first came the flood of contrary multidimensional experiences that comprised my spriritual crisis some 10 years ago. I wrote the above (top) from personal experience. I've been through the reality shattering (and mental/emotional shattering) awakenings and experiences, the realisation of gifts and abilities some might call " supernatural, " and my entire worldview has been rewritten countless times (sometimes minute by minute, especially in the beginning years), rewiring me not only to carry and contemplate the unknowns but also endowing me with an invaluable ability to comfortably *not know* - a gift I am eternally grateful for and appreciative of. I've always held that flexibility and malleability are treasures to work for and maintain. I can't, after the sacred journey I've tread, personally relate to impediments of the logical mind's need to explain or label, the need to control, the desire to stay within comfortable parameters or having fears about kundalini or spiritual evolution holding me back to a slow pace. These are all signposts I've long since passed. For me to say different would be to dishonour the efforts made on my behalf and the conscious knowledge, hard-won, in respect to how far I've come and how miraculously and gracefully and yes, how quickly, elegantly it's all happened. I've been effectively scooped out. I know nothing. My only pressing anxieties concern finding myself now in a world that is in large part incapable of looking beyond the surface to the true soul in deeper understanding and connection and how best to relate to others in light of this. I guess that kind of isolation is what has recently inspired me to reach out again here, but it seems that I and my path are being missed again. I don't speak a lot about my multidimensional life because frankly, people would not believe it. It's not time. I still feel as if I know nothing. I continue to try to open more and more. I am learning every day, and lately am trying not to think in words because of the confinement the energy feels from it. Even to begin to speak, I am realising, places limits on reality, and narrows in a way. My life purpose is to be a messenger, but I am lately questioning my own desires to record ideas in writing or even to " tell " anyone anything, as people will find their own way, anyway. Can I develop a purer, non-linear way of communicating/transferring energies directly to individuals or groups whilst bypassing all lineal constructs which confine the energies? I've already chosen against death so many times, I wonder how I can redeem and make the most of a continuing, largely spontaneous life which was, perhaps, not part of the original plan. I have been working through future probabilities to learn from these memories of the future and prepare. These are a few of my considerations lately. Trust is not even an available option in my life; it's a basic necessity, where I take my life breath. So, I'm not feeling a lot of your assessment, particularly in light of my previous post about expansion and living outside physical/narrow parameters to experience and fuction according to standards of greater reality. Maybe you think that is just talk or something I picked up in books, but I speak from experience and reverence for the greater reality and Truth I've so far been exposed to. I'm so loose in the non-definition department, in fact, sometimes I feel I have to work at staying in this reality and meeting the requirements of the day, so I'm not seeing a sense of need to confine, control, limit or define things, from this end. My natural urge is to let go. If I have fear of any state, it is the limited and suffocating, material plane and it's backward, narrow thinking - it's lack of logic, its chosen blindness. My peace and my joy come in connecting to others in love and honour, where no " explanations " are called for. Right now, I'm filling most of this need in other dimensions of experience, and thank God for this avenue through which I can feel things " make sense. " The experiences themselves don't need to make sense on a linear level or be explained this way; I mean where the energy exchange and feelings and responsiveness make sense - on a heart level, where things are much simpler. Actually, I think your assessment would apply to nearly all spiritual seekers, so I'm not saying it's " wrong; " and I will take what encouragement I find in it. I just didn't see much that was particularly reflective of my own unique history and circumstance at the moment. You aren't very familiar with this, of course. (I think you know me as " the OBE girl. " Ha.) Everyone goes through these stages, perhaps on a daily basis, even; it only gets easier and finally, wouldn't be noticed. So the reminder is always useful. There is a purpose to everything, and everyone is where they should be, be they together in love and comprehension or yet alone among men, making their way with non-physical guidance and understanding. And the day is coming. Thank you for the opportunity to self-affirm this. x, Droxine --- " " <> wrote: > > I see you in a position of comfort with the soul journeys and with your explorations in these areas and yet I also see some fear about the Kundalini. > > Your logical mind is fighting itself for the needed trust and faith in that which it cannot explain. And from this position of unknowing, fear is given a way of controlling a response. This is not uncommon for those who have a firm grip on explanations and a deep trust in that which is explainable. The difficulty arises in approaching that which doesnt comply within those comfortable parameters. > > Then there is the idea of a lack of control of what occurs. This can add more anxiety. I see you inside a space of being conditioned for comfort and trust of that which isnt given to explanation Droxine. I see a very gentle and patient approach for you and I see this continuing as long as it is needed for you. You will grow as fast as you are willing to exceed your personal parameters. - This is what I see regarding your process Droxine. - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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