Forgiveness

[Guest guest]

I'm finding forgiveness to be a really interesting safety, I think described

somewhere on the KAS1 site as a " snowplow " for K. On one level it feels like

allowing the person who hurt you to 'get away with it'. But didn't they already

get away with whatever they did, and that's why the victim feels hurt? - They

did it. No matter how they feel now about the act they did, they can not undo

it, and often wouldn't undo it even if they could. One thing that has helped me

is the recognition that much of the hurt people inflict on others seems not to

be about the victim, but is just the collateral damage inflicted on those

surrounding a person who is expressing damage in their own souls that they are

unable or unwilling to make whole.

 

By not forgiving, and continuing to feel hurt, anger, resentment etc about

whatever they did, all it seems to do is to transform the hurt from a one-time

negative experience into a semi-permanent state of hurting and victimization.

 

Forgiveness seems on one level to have nothing to do with the person who caused

the pain, or even your relationship with that person. It seems more about

releasing the desire for revenge, the anger, the hurt itself, and therefore not

allowing the pain (meaning the energetic blockage) to continue. Even if it

can't take away the actual event, it seems to dissolve most of the scar-tissue

surrounding the harm, and maybe even some of the harm itself too.

 

I would be interested in hearing other's people's experiences with this - I find

complete forgiveness mitigates or even eliminates my desire for justice. I

don't mean retribution, or 'getting even' - obviously eliminating this

negativity is what forgiveness is. I mean even the desire for mere

compensation. It's sort of like on a metaphysical level, granting complete

forgiveness eliminates much of the grantor's negative input, but leaves to G-d

the task of Judging and Compensation.

 

What I found unexpected was that doing active forgiveness as part of the

safeties causes a very similar upward energy release as happens after each rep

of the Tibetans (strongest felt doing them kinda slow with deep inhalation). Is

this also a micro-release of kundalini? Or is this the energy knot itself

dissolving and going back up to its Source? I haven't received shaktipat yet,

so it may be that I just don't have a point of reference.

 

It only seems to have this effect if I really, sincerely mean it -- that I

forgive completely, willingly, gladly.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts or pointers, especially in terms of how this (or

the other safeties) can best prep or further actualize K/consciousness?

 

Thanks,

Jeffrey

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff.

 

Forgiveness for me has been one of the most profound experiences.

Thus far. Before i knew what kundalini was and before the energy came

I was reading a book one night that had a chapter about forgiveness.

It sounded a bit christian to me (this was before i knew about god)

and i wasnt interested in it but as i read it the hairs stood up over

my body. I put the book down and started to think thoughts of forgiveness.

I went through my mind thinking about the things i had done and others

had done to me.

 

I forgave my father for leaving us... he was not happy... i forgive him

I forgive that bully for beating me up at school...

I forgive myself for stealing from moms purse that time..

I went over things that i didnt even think i had held issues about

and as i did this i went into a flow of forgiveness thoughts.

This resulted in golden light in my chest increasing and golden light

surrounded me, engulfed me, and this golden light was pure love.

I could see it and feel it and it was real, i was so in awe.

that was a lesson for me about how powerful forgiveness is.

 

Only after finding my way here and seeing the safties where chrism

talks about:

" As the forgiveness encounters the heavy vibrational construct of the emotional

blockage, Divine love is seeped into the matrix, causing in many instances an

emotional outburst of relief and release of burden "

did i realise.

 

thanks chrism

 

mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeffrey

 

Yes I agree this is very powerful. I had this one person that I needed to

forgive for things. It was hard for me for reasons. Anyway I would go through

the motion of forgiveness but like you said - sincerity - is the most important

thing. So it took some time to get to sincerity. But I practiced this everynight

before I went to bed until finally I would just lay there not only forgiving

them but really sincerely praying for all the best for them - and I stayed with

this for some time. Anyway this person is pretty much out of my life now and I

never thought that would happen due to so many mutual ties and is always nice to

me now - still causing problems for many other people but for some strange

reason not me. You are right though its about releasing that which is inside

ourselves and it then feels so good and light inside. The rest is just like the

cherry on top.

 

I didn't feel the effects of the k up the spine while doing the forgiving part

until I get to the " Loving " part if that makes sense. Whenever I feel love for

someone/thing and appreciation is when for me it really gets going. Thats

actually my main practice if you call it that - just feeling and wishing the

best for everyone with love - sincerity of feeling love for all and appreciation

including the earth and all -

 

I think its love this k stuff...

 

is there a song like that...well now you got me feeling all sappy - so I'm

throwing a chi ball at you ....

 

Many blissful body buzzes to you

Mia

aka Debs

[Guest guest]

Hey Debs,

 

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Too cool - I 'caught' the chi ball you

threw! What a happy energy! Made me smile, kind of energized me whole

body/being then (this is kinda weird) sort of 'cracked' some bone in my head

like cracking your knuckles or something. I'm not quite sure how to explain it,

but somehow it felt great. I'm still in happy-mode from it.

 

Thanks!!!

 

 

Jeffrey

 

 

 

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

>

> Hi Jeffrey

>

> Yes I agree this is very powerful. I had this one person that I needed to

forgive for things. It was hard for me for reasons. Anyway I would go through

the motion of forgiveness but like you said - sincerity - is the most important

thing. So it took some time to get to sincerity. But I practiced this everynight

before I went to bed until finally I would just lay there not only forgiving

them but really sincerely praying for all the best for them - and I stayed with

this for some time. Anyway this person is pretty much out of my life now and I

never thought that would happen due to so many mutual ties and is always nice to

me now - still causing problems for many other people but for some strange

reason not me. You are right though its about releasing that which is inside

ourselves and it then feels so good and light inside. The rest is just like the

cherry on top.

>

> I didn't feel the effects of the k up the spine while doing the forgiving part

until I get to the " Loving " part if that makes sense. Whenever I feel love for

someone/thing and appreciation is when for me it really gets going. Thats

actually my main practice if you call it that - just feeling and wishing the

best for everyone with love - sincerity of feeling love for all and appreciation

including the earth and all -

>

> I think its love this k stuff...

>

> is there a song like that...well now you got me feeling all sappy - so I'm

throwing a chi ball at you ....

>

> Many blissful body buzzes to you

> Mia

> aka Debs

>

[Guest guest]

Jeffrey -

 

I'm smiling hard at your description...sheez did I crack the bone in your head?

Woops! ha

 

Actually put your hand on top of your head - you feel that bump there? I swear

mine has gotten bigger - there is an entire fear of turning into a conehead -

CARLA NEED THE ROPE!

 

I hear these cracks all the time...it's actually fun, isn't it? And when the

body and head start buzzing...I love that! So I know what you mean about being

happy from the crack...it sounds all scary but actually feels so great! So happy

to know you are feelin' it too!

 

Happy body buzzes and cracks to you!!

Anytime you need a chi ball you shout out!

Mia

 

, " Jeffrey " <getjeff1

wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Yes, for sure Mia... I need to teach you how to rope. At least to keep

yourself out of a few wrecks

Carla

 

2010/1/6 flowerpowers7777 <flowerpowers7777

 

>

>

> Jeffrey -

>

> I'm smiling hard at your description...sheez did I crack the bone in your

> head? Woops! ha

>

> Actually put your hand on top of your head - you feel that bump there? I

> swear mine has gotten bigger - there is an entire fear of turning into a

> conehead - CARLA NEED THE ROPE!

>

> I hear these cracks all the ti

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " sinebyte " <sinebyte

wrote:

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> and as i did this i went into a flow of forgiveness thoughts.

> This resulted in golden light in my chest increasing and golden light

> surrounded me, engulfed me, and this golden light was pure love.

> I could see it and feel it and it was real, i was so in awe.

> that was a lesson for me about how powerful forgiveness is.

 

 

@@@@ WOW Mark - This is beautiful and inspiring...so glad i didn't miss it! I

think I'm gonna go make someone mad at me now so I can forgive them ...hahaha

 

you think thats what had in mind? hmmm...

 

Mia/Debs

[Guest guest]

Thank you Carla - I will catch that rope!

 

People love a good lasso...no matter where or what language...so for you

the Goddess Lassoing Cowgirl...

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAja815bjQ & feature=related

 

Who knew there was an entire dance ....

 

 

, " Carla & Patrick "

<bowenhealth wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Deb you head cracker..(oh highly titled and esteemed one!!)

 

I didnt know you were a crackhead and go easy on those chi balls girl.. if

your'e not careful you'll crack me up too.... ok.. no more wise cracks.. time to

get cracking and onto the 'serious' forgiveness stuff.. even though its not

easy, I feel I have forgiveness cracked..

 

And about forgiveness... Jeffery, I resonate a lot with what you say. One aspect

of forgiveness for me is that it frees me from the suffering of the emotional

charge to the event, and that liberates stuck energy, which can be felt moving

through the body. It doesnt condone the other; it just lets me move on.

 

From another perspective, its a profound act of love. If I cant forgive, I cant

come to terms with an aspect of my experience. Its not the other person who

caused me pain, its my reaction to the event that caused me pain. Forgiveness is

therefore radical self-responsibility as I take ownership of my reactions. Its

an act of love, as through forgveness, I bring love to bear on the pain of my

experience, and that is transformational; ultimatly its what I always wanted...

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

> Jeffrey -

>

> I'm smiling hard at your description...sheez did I crack the bone in your

head? Woops! ha

>

> Actually put your hand on top of your head - you feel that bump there? I swear

mine has gotten bigger - there is an entire fear of turning into a conehead -

CARLA NEED THE ROPE!

>

> I hear these cracks all the time...it's actually fun, isn't it? And when the

body and head start buzzing...I love that! So I know what you mean about being

happy from the crack...it sounds all scary but actually feels so great! So happy

to know you are feelin' it too!

>

> Happy body buzzes and cracks to you!!

> Anytime you need a chi ball you shout out!

> Mia

>

> , " Jeffrey " <getjeff1@>

wrote:

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mia,

 

Yes, you did indeed crack a bone..... I didn't know I had. It seemed kind of

collateral to the energy hit though. Is K itself just that intrinsically happy

or is was that just because it came through you (and you've got a big grin on

all day ?

 

Thanks again! (and hopefully again soon!!!!!)

 

Jeffrey

 

 

 

 

, " flowerpowers7777 "

<flowerpowers7777 wrote:

>

> Jeffrey -

>

> I'm smiling hard at your description...sheez did I crack the bone in your

head? Woops! ha

>

> Actually put your hand on top of your head - you feel that bump there? I swear

mine has gotten bigger - there is an entire fear of turning into a conehead -

CARLA NEED THE ROPE!

>

> I hear these cracks all the time...it's actually fun, isn't it? And when the

body and head start buzzing...I love that! So I know what you mean about being

happy from the crack...it sounds all scary but actually feels so great! So happy

to know you are feelin' it too!

>

> Happy body buzzes and cracks to you!!

> Anytime you need a chi ball you shout out!

> Mia

>

> , " Jeffrey " <getjeff1@>

wrote:

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeffrey – great thought provoking post! As you say forgiveness at the face

level has nothing to do with the person who wronged you. I agree in part only

and believe that it goes deeper. In forgiving another `you set the prisoner

free only to discover that the prisoner was you'. Forgiveness allows you to

release that baggage from the past and to go forward unrestrained.

 

Consider the broader perspective however – we are all part of the divine and as

such are all connected on a higher or broader energetic level. Everything you

do (even thinking) is known to all on that higher plane. Not forgiving or

retaining a grudge or fantasising about revenge does generate an energetic

expression which does impact on the wrongdoer on that higher plane and the feud

in reality goes on! That changes things somewhat, and suddenly the simplistic

perspective we often adhere to in that what we think and scheme about in our

heads is `exclusive' territory – it's not so exclusive after all and not quite

as `invisible' as we think! Ever wondered where some of that `intuition' we

have comes from? It is our higher self `reading' the real status quo on another

level and filtering that information into our conscious!

 

To complicate the matter forgiveness is a facet of our dualistic nature. As

long as we think of ourselves in the physical context only we are subject to all

the ego-driven characteristics of fear, anger, hatred, desire and so on.

Understand and comprehend your true nature in that we are all part of that

divine whole and your physical mind is then faced with a real paradigm shift –

how can you be angry with that which is in reality part of yourself? How can you

harbour bad thoughts when they are impacting adversely on the whole and

therefore yourself? That paradigm shift then forces you to a state of learning

and understanding and forgiveness becomes a given. Why did the powers that be

(your higher self / the kundalini / the divine or whatever you perceive them to

be) create the scenario for that lesson to occur. What was the purpose and what

did you learn. Retaining anger or mental pain or whatever becomes a `cop-out'

for establishing what the lesson was, learning from it and then using that

knowledge positively in going forward. It also forcibly drags you back into

that duality and blinds you to your true nature! If you see beyond the duality

you cannot not forgive, and in the same light unconditional love in its true

sense becomes abundantly clear.

 

To take it further – when dealings with other people on the physical plane are

becoming hostile or counter-productive, I find that by withdrawing mentally and

then `appealing' to my higher self to intervene with their higher selves on that

higher plane, clarity invariably ensues and sense prevails! As they say the

proof of the pudding is in the eating and nothing could be more conclusive than

that! It also makes us operate consciously on more than one level (the physical)

at a time. There are times where even high self intervention doesn't yield the

desired results and then you have to ask yourself if that desired result is

ego-based, or is there another lesson to be learned from the interaction. This

approach leads you progressively more into a state where you constantly

`observe' yourself and others – you become progressively more aware of your own

thoughts and actions and move along that path towards enlightenment!

 

Blessings - Jonathan

[Guest guest]

Jonathan,

 

I'd really only been thinking about the whole thing in terms of how the practice

of forgiveness as a safety facilitates K in an individual seeker. Thanks for

broadening the perspective!

 

What you seem to be getting at, is that existence as whole has a K which is

relatively dormant right now, and that Chrism's ultimate goal (I am inferring

this from his writings - I have not corresponded with on point) seems to

be an almost messianic awakening of K in the whole of creation. He seems to

understand that this can be precipitated by the ever-increasing momentum of more

and more individual aspects of that One achieving wholeness on a

personal/individual level, meaning K activated souls/ K activated

consciousnesses, snowballing their activation together into a larger and larger

portion of the Universal Collective Self. Eventually this will reach a tipping

point where there is simply so large a portion of existence that is K activated

that K activation necessarily happens on the universal level of the creation as

a whole.

 

If you have ever tried to " see " this, it is/will activate MASSIVELY on a

Universal, mind-blowing level of ALL, as One Single Consciousness - thus

effecting a categorical advancement of existence, ultimately resulting in the

revelation and evolution of every aspect of the One to actively, simultaneously

function from the perspective of the individual soul and over-soul, growing ever

larger in ever deeper Oneness with All.

 

Obviously unforgivness stops Universal Oneness cold. K Fire For ALL!

 

Love and Joy!

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jonrow_2914 "

<jrowland wrote:

>

> Hi Jeffrey – great thought provoking post! As you say forgiveness at the face

level has nothing to do with the person who wronged you. I agree in part only

and believe that it goes deeper. In forgiving another `you set the prisoner

free only to discover that the prisoner was you'. Forgiveness allows you to

release that baggage from the past and to go forward unrestrained.

>

> Consider the broader perspective however – we are all part of the divine and

as such are all connected on a higher or broader energetic level. Everything

you do (even thinking) is known to all on that higher plane. Not forgiving or

retaining a grudge or fantasising about revenge does generate an energetic

expression which does impact on the wrongdoer on that higher plane and the feud

in reality goes on! That changes things somewhat, and suddenly the simplistic

perspective we often adhere to in that what we think and scheme about in our

heads is `exclusive' territory – it's not so exclusive after all and not quite

as `invisible' as we think! Ever wondered where some of that `intuition' we

have comes from? It is our higher self `reading' the real status quo on another

level and filtering that information into our conscious!

>

> To complicate the matter forgiveness is a facet of our dualistic nature. As

long as we think of ourselves in the physical context only we are subject to all

the ego-driven characteristics of fear, anger, hatred, desire and so on.

Understand and comprehend your true nature in that we are all part of that

divine whole and your physical mind is then faced with a real paradigm shift –

how can you be angry with that which is in reality part of yourself? How can you

harbour bad thoughts when they are impacting adversely on the whole and

therefore yourself? That paradigm shift then forces you to a state of learning

and understanding and forgiveness becomes a given. Why did the powers that be

(your higher self / the kundalini / the divine or whatever you perceive them to

be) create the scenario for that lesson to occur. What was the purpose and what

did you learn. Retaining anger or mental pain or whatever becomes a `cop-out'

for establishing what the lesson was, learning from it and then using that

knowledge positively in going forward. It also forcibly drags you back into

that duality and blinds you to your true nature! If you see beyond the duality

you cannot not forgive, and in the same light unconditional love in its true

sense becomes abundantly clear.

>

> To take it further – when dealings with other people on the physical plane are

becoming hostile or counter-productive, I find that by withdrawing mentally and

then `appealing' to my higher self to intervene with their higher selves on that

higher plane, clarity invariably ensues and sense prevails! As they say the

proof of the pudding is in the eating and nothing could be more conclusive than

that! It also makes us operate consciously on more than one level (the physical)

at a time. There are times where even high self intervention doesn't yield the

desired results and then you have to ask yourself if that desired result is

ego-based, or is there another lesson to be learned from the interaction. This

approach leads you progressively more into a state where you constantly

`observe' yourself and others – you become progressively more aware of your own

thoughts and actions and move along that path towards enlightenment!

>

> Blessings - Jonathan

>