Daydreams/imagination and request for K family input/help

[Guest guest]

Contemplation: Are daydreams real possibilities or messages from the divine or

just purely my imagination?

 

Example: I'll have a thought form pop in my head and then I carry it through

the entire scenario, conversations, outcomes, etc. etc. etc.

Are these simply imagination or the divine showing the true possibilities?

 

Enough of the sidestepping. Here's the scoop. I had a daydream about my

spouse. The focus: I have to spill the beans about where I'm at in my Kundalini

awakening journey and have to face the music whatever the outcome is.

 

I imagined it being night time and I was in one of my meditative almost trancey

states. I walk into the living room where he is and have on a quite revealing

outfit. My dance begins and I feel as if I am a feature Mediterranean type

dancer. I am not watching him. Simply performing. He KNOWS this is not the

real me but is intrigued. (NOTE: I fall down over invisible cracks in the

sidewalk and trip in every pothole in the woods; GRACE is NOT my el natural!

 

I then saunter over to him and do the dance close but not touching him. After

things progress as expected I begin moving backwards on all fours w/ my head

down to the ground and my long hair trailing the floor. I remain prone on the

ground until he acknowledges me.

 

I ask him to come hug me and then we just sit. I tell him that I have things to

tell him and that it might scare him but this was just a small example of the

wonderful things that are happening to me. That he has to make a decision right

here and now if he is going to stick w/ me and support me through the

good/bad/or ugly of this adventure or if he's going to freak out, grab the kids

and split and use it against me to keep the kids away from me.

 

This is a very real scenario that I'm going to have to face so it doesn't

surprise me that my brain would take it to this level and play it out end to

end.

 

So.. again.. is it all imagination or is it the divine showing me that it can be

a peaceful presentation of the facts and that there is not really a fear in it?

That if I present it this way that the ODDS of a negative reaction may be

lessened??

 

VERY SERIOUS situation for me.. ya'll input/guidance is greatly appreciated. I

have some major decisions to make whether or not to play out this little

daydream/imagination episode. Currently he knows nothing of this NOR the

kriyas! SOMEHOW I've been able to not experience them in his eyeview..

 

Michelle

[Guest guest]

GCDeb: Okay, now I see that I am not the only one who is having these

thoughts tonight! LOL!

 

 

 

Re: Michelle

 

 

That he has to make a decision right here and now if he is going to stick w/ me

and support me through the good/bad/or ugly of this adventure or if he's going

to freak out, grab the kids and split and use it against me to keep the kids

away from me.

 

This is a very real scenario that I'm going to have to face so it doesn't

surprise me that my brain would take it to this level and play it out end to

end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Howdy and yes, I have been advised that since this is a LIFETIME journey that

has been given to us, we're going to have to face some potential ugliness and

non-acceptance from those that are lower frequencies; that sometimes K has been

known to be a wedge in relationships to pry them apart in order to allow the

K-carrier to progress in their development.

So.. I'm a bit wary at the moment to say the least.. I know the outcome will be

the best for me; I just have no clue which outcome that is..

 

GCDeb: Okay, now I see that I am not the only one who is having these

thoughts tonight! LOL!

[Guest guest]

Re: Michelle

 

 

Howdy and yes, I have been advised that since this is a LIFETIME journey that

has been given to us, we're going to have to face some potential ugliness and

non-acceptance from those that are lower frequencies; that sometimes K has been

known to be a wedge in relationships to pry them apart in order to allow the

K-carrier to progress in their development.

So.. I'm a bit wary at the moment to say the least.. I know the outcome will be

the best for me; I just have no clue which outcome that is..

 

 

GCDeb:

 

Hey Michelle - and by the way, I too loved your sharings, as I do all of

the sharings here. What beautiful and interesting experiences you are having!

 

I am probably the last person on earth to give relationship advice, since I

am not on my first marriage and have had more than my share of relationship

problems. I agree with you wholeheartedly that this is a very touchy situation,

since obviously it is not typical and the majority of people would never

understand these involuntary changes going on, physical and otherwise. If I

were not experiencing it for myself, I would never have believed it if I were in

the situation of being the objective one (just hearing about it), instead of the

subjective one (experiencing it.) Even though I am pretty open-minded and have

a great deal of faith - what is happening to us on this forum is beyond anything

I could have ever imagined (in my wildest dreams!)

 

I have tried to explain it to my husband and he doesn't understand and I

don't blame him. If I were him, I wouldn't understand either. But I have

figured this much out: K is intelligent, just as you say. Somehow It

understands to make Itself known in private and not in public, especially once

you become aware that this is Intelligent Energy and begin to communicate with

It that way and allow It expression in private. I don't know how It knows, but

It definitely knows.

 

I also know this. A few years ago, my husband and I separated for a few

months and it seemed as though the separation happened because of things that

were completely out of my control, and then it seemed as though we got back

together because of more things that were completely out of my control. Now we

have a wonderful marriage and we both came out of the experience much more

sensitive to each other's needs and much more appreciative of each other. We

learned some monumental lessons - the hard way, I guess.

 

During those times, I had some extremely vivid dreams and nightmares - I'm

talking hyperventilating! It was clear to me that somebody was trying to get a

point across, that I was under Divine guidance and that it was not always so

pleasant - like clear warnings. It became even more clear later on as I can see

how these dreams steered me clear of major catastrophe and set me back on the

right path. I now have no doubt that I am meant to be with my husband - he is a

real sweetheart and I love him with all of my heart. I am now thankful for the

nightmares that made this so clear to me. I'm talking very, VERY clear!

 

So now, I have just let him know that there are some things happening that

I do not understand and I have told him about Kundalini and have expressed it to

him as " a possible explanation " for what is happening. He is skeptical and I

just tell him, " It makes no sense to me either. " And for now, I am just leaving

it at that! I am quite sure that K will take care of the rest.

 

I am sure there are others out there who are going through similar

experiences and have no clue what is going on. (I was one of them for a long

time.) When clueless, one tends to believe the worst case scenario, such as a

physical or mental breakdown. I am just grateful to have been led here for a

more positive explanation. We are fortunate to not only know, but to experience

an Intelligence with (as says) an agenda. Not saying that I know what

the agenda is because I don't. But I do trust that there is one and that this

Intelligence is far wiser than I am.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Michelle,

I'm not currently where you are but can very much relate to what you write,

particularly when my K first errupted. I would have intense heat/allergic-like

reactions to people that aggravated me. My emotions were very strong and i had

a lot of anger coming up spontaneously. I withdrew from alot from people. for

a while, i was trying to get my K symptoms under control. in fact, when you

read what some people say, they suggest that if you suspend your practices you

can do that. didn't work for me. it started calming down some but then found

this site. i didn't have the safeties then and since doing the safeties things

are much smoother. Even so, the coninued surrender to Ks direction, not my egos

is an ongoing challenge as I've always been a fairly type A, ego-driven person.

The discernment this takes for me right now seems important. I've been praying

for this alot, for the divine to guide me in my relationships and all areas of

my life.

my two-cents,

love to you Michelle,

Jan

 

, " miaminewbies "

<mballinger wrote:

>

> Howdy and yes, I have been advised that since this is a LIFETIME journey that

has been given to us, we're going to have to face some potential ugliness and

non-acceptance from those that are lower frequencies; that sometimes K has been

known to be a wedge in relationships to pry them apart in order to allow the

K-carrier to progress in their development.

> So.. I'm a bit wary at the moment to say the least.. I know the outcome will

be the best for me; I just have no clue which outcome that is..

>

> GCDeb: Okay, now I see that I am not the only one who is having these

thoughts tonight! LOL!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Michelle,

day dreams are probably all the things you are wondering about, imagination and

devine communication but ego also has a hidden input, or so I have often found

with me...lol!

 I have always had this type of " ability " to watch a whole movie in my head.

For me too often a senario or episode is given but the ending is not seen. 

For me to judge the usefullness of these episodes I need to see who is the

director of the movie and who is reviewing it..lol!  If I can discren that then

the " movie " can be helpful and I learn a lot. 

Do you know who directed your movie, are you aware of which " part " of you was

" excited " by what was happening. Often for me the ego is entwined in the me that

is reviewing and the ego is one clever reviewer!!

Such movies can be very complicated (for me anyways) because there are different

aspects or desires that are attracted to the different possible endings, even

parts of myself would be attracted to the most undesired possible outcome,

and I have found that this is often the crux of the matter.

I think your daydream is wonderful but dangerous.  Be careful.  Ego is very

cunning.

You asked for feed back and opinions so here is mine.  tread very carefully

Michelle.  it is early days.  I know in some respects you have been here all

your life but in many many ways it is really early days.  Containing the wonder

and beauty and joy of what is happening within and on the body and spirit  can

seem impossible to do as we want to shout out loud about the love that is being

given. I think being able to hold this in oneself is one of the earlier lessons

given.  Well that is what I came to know about me anyways. At this time

shakti is with you in a tactile way almost all the time and your shared dancing

and connection is gifting you with a presence that is exraordinary in the

ordinary life.  I would see the day dream as  as Shaktis gift and invitation

to share this presence and beauty and love with your husband.  step by step by

step.

As for telling him of what is happening I would suspect that ego has sneaked

into this daydream and it is ego who is suggesting the wordy explanations.

my words of advice would be, don't tell him yet, take it step by step and begin

by sharing the dance with him that you saw yourself do in the dream.  Just you

and the dance. 

Well you did ask...lol!

Lots of love to you dancing queen,

julia.

 

 

 

________________________________

miaminewbies <mballinger

 

Sat, January 9, 2010 1:52:05 AM

Daydreams/imagination and request for K

family input/help

 

 

Contemplation: Are daydreams real possibilities or messages from the divine or

just purely my imagination?

 

Example: I'll have a thought form pop in my head and then I carry it through the

entire scenario, conversations, outcomes, etc. etc. etc.

Are these simply imagination or the divine showing the true possibilities?

 

Enough of the sidestepping. Here's the scoop. I had a daydream about my spouse.

The focus: I have to spill the beans about where I'm at in my Kundalini

awakening journey and have to face the music whatever the outcome is.

 

I imagined it being night time and I was in one of my meditative almost trancey

states. I walk into the living room where he is and have on a quite revealing

outfit. My dance begins and I feel as if I am a feature Mediterranean type

dancer. I am not watching him. Simply performing. He KNOWS this is not the real

me but is intrigued. (NOTE: I fall down over invisible cracks in the sidewalk

and trip in every pothole in the woods; GRACE is NOT my el natural!

 

I then saunter over to him and do the dance close but not touching him. After

things progress as expected I begin moving backwards on all fours w/ my head

down to the ground and my long hair trailing the floor. I remain prone on the

ground until he acknowledges me.

 

I ask him to come hug me and then we just sit. I tell him that I have things to

tell him and that it might scare him but this was just a small example of the

wonderful things that are happening to me. That he has to make a decision right

here and now if he is going to stick w/ me and support me through the

good/bad/or ugly of this adventure or if he's going to freak out, grab the kids

and split and use it against me to keep the kids away from me.

 

This is a very real scenario that I'm going to have to face so it doesn't

surprise me that my brain would take it to this level and play it out end to

end.

 

So.. again.. is it all imagination or is it the divine showing me that it can be

a peaceful presentation of the facts and that there is not really a fear in it?

That if I present it this way that the ODDS of a negative reaction may be

lessened??

 

VERY SERIOUS situation for me.. ya'll input/guidance is greatly appreciated. I

have some major decisions to make whether or not to play out this little

daydream/imaginatio n episode. Currently he knows nothing of this NOR the

kriyas! SOMEHOW I've been able to not experience them in his eyeview..

 

Michelle

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Michelle, I understand your situation as this is currently something I am going

through and I will agree its odd because I was thinking this same thing about

daydreams last night myself.

 

I think the answer in terms of daydreams is yes, it can be influenced by the K.

I have no doubt had " daydreams " turn into real situations that happened in much

the same way I imagined they would. Of course, this goes back to chrism's inner

dialouge teaching as anyone needs to watch what they think/imagine, but I

definitely believe K will influence both things and often does present choices

or scenarios in such a way, especially if you are prone to having an active

imagination or you spend a lot of time in deep thought.

 

In my situation, I have been living with and in a relationship with the same man

for the last three and a half years. While he is not into anything spiritual or

religious - indeed, he's an atheist that doesn't believe in anything

supernatural - the K made him a believer in SOMETHING. Much of the external

phenomena I have experienced, he has also experienced. Whether its entity

activity or the K itself, he's had to deal with it too. My problem was, I could

not bring myself to sexually have anything to do with him anymore. Doing so made

me feel degraded. But the K certainly did invite him, after he told me about a

dream he had.

 

Once he had the dream and I tried to explain to him what it meant, he

immediately rejected the entire notion of anything that could exist in " himself "

and took to interrupting any of my studies or creative pursuits on a regular

basis due to his " fear " of that side of me.

 

In my early awakening a few months ago I was kinda " led to " a message about

having plenty of time to make a decision concerning my relationship with him,

and to follow my heart, during a meditation. Yesterday, after a huge fight with

him, I went outside on our icy deck and discovered a random newspaper page that

was about two months old had floated up onto the stairs. It happened to be the

page that has all the horoscopes on it, and funny enough, when I read what mine

was, it said " A decision now faces you to make between two paths. One path will

make a change and the other will not. One is more difficult but will lead to

sunnier patches. "

 

The K couldn't have been more clear than if it had told me in person. Of course,

it isn't telling me to " choose " one path or the other; it's simply making the

statement that the decision must now be made, the time has come to make it.

 

So I understand your situation. What you haven't really explained though is,

what is his standpoint on any kind of supernatural/religious/spiritual matter?

Do you feel repressed or do you feel you shine with him? These are important

aspects to consider. Some people shouldn't know about K. Even the ones closest

to us. What's important is how he makes YOU feel.

 

, " miaminewbies "

<mballinger wrote:

>

> Contemplation: Are daydreams real possibilities or messages from the divine

or just purely my imagination?

>

> Example: I'll have a thought form pop in my head and then I carry it through

the entire scenario, conversations, outcomes, etc. etc. etc.

> Are these simply imagination or the divine showing the true possibilities?

>

> Enough of the sidestepping. Here's the scoop. I had a daydream about my

spouse. The focus: I have to spill the beans about where I'm at in my Kundalini

awakening journey and have to face the music whatever the outcome is.

>

> I imagined it being night time and I was in one of my meditative almost

trancey states. I walk into the living room where he is and have on a quite

revealing outfit. My dance begins and I feel as if I am a feature Mediterranean

type dancer. I am not watching him. Simply performing. He KNOWS this is not

the real me but is intrigued. (NOTE: I fall down over invisible cracks in the

sidewalk and trip in every pothole in the woods; GRACE is NOT my el natural!

>

> I then saunter over to him and do the dance close but not touching him. After

things progress as expected I begin moving backwards on all fours w/ my head

down to the ground and my long hair trailing the floor. I remain prone on the

ground until he acknowledges me.

>

> I ask him to come hug me and then we just sit. I tell him that I have things

to tell him and that it might scare him but this was just a small example of the

wonderful things that are happening to me. That he has to make a decision right

here and now if he is going to stick w/ me and support me through the

good/bad/or ugly of this adventure or if he's going to freak out, grab the kids

and split and use it against me to keep the kids away from me.

>

> This is a very real scenario that I'm going to have to face so it doesn't

surprise me that my brain would take it to this level and play it out end to

end.

>

> So.. again.. is it all imagination or is it the divine showing me that it can

be a peaceful presentation of the facts and that there is not really a fear in

it? That if I present it this way that the ODDS of a negative reaction may be

lessened??

>

> VERY SERIOUS situation for me.. ya'll input/guidance is greatly appreciated.

I have some major decisions to make whether or not to play out this little

daydream/imagination episode. Currently he knows nothing of this NOR the

kriyas! SOMEHOW I've been able to not experience them in his eyeview..

>

> Michelle

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Julia:

 

 

my words of advice would be, don't tell him yet, take it step by step and begin

by sharing the dance with him that you saw yourself do in the dream. Just you

and the dance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

GCDeb: How beautiful! I agree. I think what I was saying is that I tested

the waters and came to the same conclusion. But this is more elegantly stated!

LOL!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Your story about the horoscope you happened upon reminds me of a fortune cookie

I have received, not once, but twice!

 

" You may attend a party where strange customs prevail. "

 

Love,

 

David

 

 

 

>It happened to be the page that has all the horoscopes on it, and funny enough,

when I read what mine was, it said " A decision now faces you to make between two

paths. One path will make a change and the other will not. One is more difficult

but will lead to sunnier patches. "

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Michelle:  I have been reading your posts, and it is obvious that you are

experiencing an active kundalini process.  But, like Julia, I have some

concerns regarding your journey.  IMHO there is a danger of becoming so focused

on the phenomenen,  that you  become unbalanced in living the process out. 

Kundalini  is a gift to each of us, but IMHO that does not make us better than

the rest of humanity.  As i have understood it, one of the purposes of the gift

of kundalini is to develop the individual human gifted with this process to be

able to offer their lives in service to others, as is doing.  He is the

best example I know of someone who literally gives themself and their life away

in service to others.  So while you are in the early stage of this process, and

caught up in the newness and joy of it all,   recognize that the journey will

require a great deal of you in the future as you grow through the porcess.  I

would also

like to caution you in regard to the danger of ego involvement as Julia has: 

We as individuals are not the generaters of this process and it's not about our

deserving enlightenment.  While the journey

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote:

 

 

Julia Ahern <jajahern

Re: Daydreams/imagination and request

for K family input/help

 

Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:12 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Michelle,

day dreams are probably all the things you are wondering about, imagination and

devine communication but ego also has a hidden input, or so I have often found

with me...lol!

 I have always had this type of " ability " to watch a whole movie in my head.

For me too often a senario or episode is given but the ending is not seen. 

For me to judge the usefullness of these episodes I need to see who is the

director of the movie and who is reviewing it..lol!  If I can discren that then

the " movie " can be helpful and I learn a lot. 

Do you know who directed your movie, are you aware of which " part " of you was

" excited " by what was happening. Often for me the ego is entwined in the me that

is reviewing and the ego is one clever reviewer!!

Such movies can be very complicated (for me anyways) because there are different

aspects or desires that are attracted to the different possible endings, even

parts of myself would be attracted to the most undesired possible outcome,

and I have found that this is often the crux of the matter.

I think your daydream is wonderful but dangerous.  Be careful.  Ego is very

cunning.

You asked for feed back and opinions so here is mine.  tread very carefully

Michelle.  it is early days.  I know in some respects you have been here all

your life but in many many ways it is really early days.  Containing the wonder

and beauty and joy of what is happening within and on the body and spirit  can

seem impossible to do as we want to shout out loud about the love that is being

given. I think being able to hold this in oneself is one of the earlier lessons

given.  Well that is what I came to know about me anyways. At this time

shakti is with you in a tactile way almost all the time and your shared dancing

and connection is gifting you with a presence that is exraordinary in the

ordinary life.  I would see the day dream as  as Shaktis gift and invitation

to share this presence and beauty and love with your husband.  step by step by

step.

As for telling him of what is happening I would suspect that ego has sneaked

into this daydream and it is ego who is suggesting the wordy explanations.

my words of advice would be, don't tell him yet, take it step by step and begin

by sharing the dance with him that you saw yourself do in the dream.  Just you

and the dance. 

Well you did ask...lol!

Lots of love to you dancing queen,

julia.

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

miaminewbies <mballinger@bellsout h.net>

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1

Sat, January 9, 2010 1:52:05 AM

[Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Daydreams/imaginati on and request

for K family input/help

 

 

Contemplation: Are daydreams real possibilities or messages from the divine or

just purely my imagination?

 

Example: I'll have a thought form pop in my head and then I carry it through the

entire scenario, conversations, outcomes, etc. etc. etc.

Are these simply imagination or the divine showing the true possibilities?

 

Enough of the sidestepping. Here's the scoop. I had a daydream about my spouse.

The focus: I have to spill the beans about where I'm at in my Kundalini

awakening journey and have to face the music whatever the outcome is.

 

I imagined it being night time and I was in one of my meditative almost trancey

states. I walk into the living room where he is and have on a quite revealing

outfit. My dance begins and I feel as if I am a feature Mediterranean type

dancer. I am not watching him. Simply performing. He KNOWS this is not the real

me but is intrigued. (NOTE: I fall down over invisible cracks in the sidewalk

and trip in every pothole in the woods; GRACE is NOT my el natural!

 

I then saunter over to him and do the dance close but not touching him. After

things progress as expected I begin moving backwards on all fours w/ my head

down to the ground and my long hair trailing the floor. I remain prone on the

ground until he acknowledges me.

 

I ask him to come hug me and then we just sit. I tell him that I have things to

tell him and that it might scare him but this was just a small example of the

wonderful things that are happening to me. That he has to make a decision right

here and now if he is going to stick w/ me and support me through the

good/bad/or ugly of this adventure or if he's going to freak out, grab the kids

and split and use it against me to keep the kids away from me.

 

This is a very real scenario that I'm going to have to face so it doesn't

surprise me that my brain would take it to this level and play it out end to

end.

 

So.. again.. is it all imagination or is it the divine showing me that it can be

a peaceful presentation of the facts and that there is not really a fear in it?

That if I present it this way that the ODDS of a negative reaction may be

lessened??

 

VERY SERIOUS situation for me.. ya'll input/guidance is greatly appreciated. I

have some major decisions to make whether or not to play out this little

daydream/imaginatio n episode. Currently he knows nothing of this NOR the

kriyas! SOMEHOW I've been able to not experience them in his eyeview..

 

Michelle

 

 

[Guest guest]

Michelle,

 

This is really between you and Shakti (and your family!). If I had to give

counsel, I would say: wait. Since you ask for input, here are some thoughts to

ponder....

 

> Contemplation: Are daydreams real possibilities or messages from the divine or

just purely my imagination?

 

>Example: I'll have a thought form pop in my head and then I carry it through

the entire scenario, conversations, outcomes, etc. etc. etc.

Are these simply imagination or the divine showing the true possibilities?

 

Sometime they are messages, sometimes it is just the mind at work. The mind

likes to think and imagine. That's what it is very good at. By all means

journal these things for your own edification. Not all imaginings need be acted

out.

 

I notice you have not described how your fantasy turns out - your description

ends with you putting him on the spot and forcing him to make a choice. You

seem to offer only two choices that are each extreme polar opposites - either

total immediate acceptance or complete, painful rejection.

 

You feel you are at a crossroads and have to do something. I would suggest that

the best thing to do for now is to practice the safeties. See if there is some

way in which you can improve your practice of the safeties. Are there any which

are not getting your best attention? The safeties provide balance, and in that

balance, you will find the " right " course of action.

 

We often undergo rapid changes in perspective under Ma Kundalini's tender care.

We sometimes get the urge to make drastic, extreme changes in our lives. What

seems like a good idea today may seem completely different tomorrow. Allow your

perspective to undergo these changes, even to experience a desire for the

extreme course without necessarily acting upon it, and then return to balance.

There is no need to put yourself on the spot or to put your spouse on the spot.

Or to frighten or alarm anyone. The future is unknown. Why force it right this

moment to go down one path or another? Consider that Ma Shakti has somehow kept

these experiences of yours from his eyes for now. Be patient with yourself and

with those around you.

 

When I have important decisions to make, I do not trust my mind entirely. I

like to still my mind and feel for answers with my heart/intuition. Do not feel

you need to answer these questions yourself. Let them play in your attention

field and then give them to the Goddess. Answers can come in so many ways -

situations, omens, synchronicities, sudden insights.

 

Treat everyone in your life with love, respect, gratitude, compassion, a sense

of service, etc. and see what develops. Try to be impeccable in everything you

do and in your interactions with others. In the end, this is all you can do -

the rest is out of your hands.

 

Love and blessings,

 

David