Snake Surrender

[Guest guest]

Chrism - I am doing some wondering again! I know that I have not had this

spinal sweep, and have not really been trying to because there is some fear

there. I don't know if I am afraid that by losing myself that I will turn into

somebody else or what. I still feel an obligation to my responsibilities as a

wife, mother, worker, etc. I do not want to lose my ability to fulfill those

responsibilities. Or maybe I just don't want to lose it altogether!

 

But now I am wondering - is it also a requirement to surrender (in dreams

or visions) to a snake biting or swallowing you? I have only had one snake

dream and I talked about that when I was here three years ago. I went through a

phase where I had reoccurring spider dreams, and I really didn't know what that

was about, but that stopped awhile back.

 

If so, is the purpose for this to be symbolic of surrendering to all fear?

That is the only explanation I can come up with in my mind to make sense out of

why a Higher Power (God/Goddess) would subject us to such a frightening

experience. I guess I always thought that the perfect love of God/Goddess would

dissolve fear in a more loving way. Like the Presence of God/Goddess would be

the absence of fear, if that makes sense.

 

Also, wondering why I would feel the tingling in the crown and the pressure

in the third eye, without having had a spinal sweep.

 

I have had too many K experiences to doubt the validity of it. I don't

doubt it. I just get Confucius sometimes!

 

I am guessing that it is our own egos that bring about the fearful aspects?

And that these frightening confrontations are somehow an experience to help us

to understand the illusion of that which we fear? To help us to understand that

what we fear is not real? And that by confronting/surrendering to the fearful

events, we are demonstrating our understanding/acceptance of this?

 

Also, like what happened to Gopi - is it common to have a spinal sweep that

is followed by a more debilitating series of events? If so, this would make

surrendering/trusting more difficult (for me anyway.) Or is it possible for one

to go through this and still remain intact? (Able to function and carry out

normal responsibilities?)

 

Now that I think about it, I think I am most terrified of not being able to

function and carry out responsibilities that, if not fulfilled, would seem like

an abandonment of people that I care about. Also, if I flip out, that would be

really embarrassing! LOL!

 

Thanks! Much appreciation. Hanging on to that sanity for dear life.

Don't know if I can surrender to insanity!

 

GCDeb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Please see below separated by @@

 

, Deb111222 wrote:

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> - I am doing some wondering again! I know that I have not had

this spinal sweep, and have not really been trying to because there is some fear

there. I don't know if I am afraid that by losing myself that I will turn into

somebody else or what. I still feel an obligation to my responsibilities as a

wife, mother, worker, etc. I do not want to lose my ability to fulfill those

responsibilities. Or maybe I just don't want to lose it altogether!

 

@@ Its coming for you Deb and you wont lose anything. In fact you will have

tremendous gain. @@

 

But now I am wondering - is it also a requirement to surrender (in dreams or

visions) to a snake biting or swallowing you?

 

@@ Typically the options at that point are limited. If the snake is before you

and big enough to swallow you it is best to surrender to that gift - lol!.@@

 

 

I have only had one snake dream and I talked about that when I was here three

years ago. I went through a phase where I had reoccurring spider dreams, and I

really didn't know what that was about, but that stopped awhile back.

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> If so, is the purpose for this to be symbolic of surrendering to all

fear? That is the only explanation I can come up with in my mind to make sense

out of why a Higher Power (God/Goddess) would subject us to such a frightening

experience. I guess I always thought that the perfect love of God/Goddess would

dissolve fear in a more loving way. Like the Presence of God/Goddess would be

the absence of fear, if that makes sense.

 

@@ In many ways it is surrendering the fear of death. Kundalini awakening brings

such radical change, as you know, and when that change comes upon the person it

is as a certain death of the old perceived personal ideology and reality. So

indeed the person " dies " to the old understandings. If one fears this death

reading into it an actual physical cessation of life. Then resistance can set in

and really make life difficult for that person. So surrender is best and the

understanding that nothing will ever be the same even though you will still love

and be loved and work and care for kids etc.

 

We do not always learn from a gentle loving approach in the ways that we need to

learn. Sometimes this does occur and we are gently swept into a blissful

understanding and this is indeed beautiful. Yet at other times it is more of a

jungle approach where we are put into situations that require us to be a certain

way. Its all good and the correlation with Shakti being another name for Mother

Nature is felt as well as understood.@@

 

Also, wondering why I would feel the tingling in the crown and the pressure in

the third eye, without having had a spinal sweep.

 

 

@@ These can be seen in your particular case as precursive events Deb. Your fear

of this joyful and blissful condition may also tend to place it a bit farther

from you. This is unfortunate as it is a wonderful and beautiful event and

doesnt hurt or damage anyone. Life continues to unfold and the life of the

" swept " person takes on a beautiful glow of love and unity consciousness that is

really beyond words and yet not so much as to drive you crazy. There is no need

to fear it what so ever.

 

The various pressures on the forehead and in other parts of the body will come

and go and represent the continuing upgrades the body is receiving. @@

 

I have had too many K experiences to doubt the validity of it. I don't doubt

it. I just get Confucius sometimes!

>

> I am guessing that it is our own egos that bring about the fearful

aspects?

 

@@ YES! @@

 

 

And that these frightening confrontations are somehow an experience to help us

to understand the illusion of that which we fear?

 

@@ YES! @@

 

 

 

To help us to understand that what we fear is not real?

 

@@ Yes @@

 

 

And that by confronting/surrendering to the fearful events, we are

demonstrating our understanding/acceptance of this?

 

@@ Yes @@

 

Also, like what happened to Gopi - is it common to have a spinal sweep that is

followed by a more debilitating series of events?

 

@@ No spinal sweeps do not typically bring this on. This was brought about in

Gopi's case due to extreme fear and from there this idea of the Kundalini only

going up one channel. Which I find delightfully unlikely except as the effect of

a karmic manifestation. Remember the intelligence of the Kundalini now imagine

it getting lost while only having three major choices of direction. - lol! -

hmmmm which way do I go? etc.@@

 

 

If so, this would make surrendering/trusting more difficult (for me anyway.) Or

is it possible for one to go through this and still remain intact? (Able to

function and carry out normal responsibilities?)

 

@@ This is one of the functional cornerstones of the safeties in there

application to normal life while having Kundalini. So yes yes and yes. Wash

these fears from your brain Deb! Not saying you wont have to make some

adjustments, yes this is also likely, but certainly not to the point of not

functioning! No worries you are and will be fine! @@

 

 

Now that I think about it, I think I am most terrified of not being able to

function and carry out responsibilities that, if not fulfilled, would seem like

an abandonment of people that I care about. Also, if I flip out, that would be

really embarrassing! LOL!

>

> Thanks! Much appreciation. Hanging on to that sanity for dear life.

Don't know if I can surrender to insanity!

>

> GCDeb

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>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi

Hi Deb,

I would like to read chrism's reply to your answers too as I have asked myself

the same sort of questions about snakes etc too.  At the start of this journey

I could not come up with an explanation myself so I  put it into the " I don't

quite get the reason for that " box..

Now I have a sort of explanation for myself but it is just my own way of looking

at it, and my way of looking at things changes so much I might not see it like

this in the future, but I will share it here anyway.

Snakes or spiders ( i used to do spiders every night for years and years.) or

whatever are just representations of our fears. One snake represents lots of

fears.

 if we had to work on individual fears, and identify them all then  it would

take far far far too much time and we would never get through it.  we would be

forever surrendering to all of those fears.  The snake as one example is given

to us as a representation as a definite image that encompasses all our fears.

I think that surrendering is about handing our fears to God, showing  him that

our fears are not more important than our trust and love in him. that we trust

him/her to know what is best for us.  and so when we surrender to the snake

when we allow him to eat us we stop giving our fears power and we surrender to

the holy will and power of God.  Well that is what I think for me.  Looking

forward to chrisms reply.  thanks for posting.

Love Julia

 

 

 

 

 

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" Deb111222 " <Deb111222

 

Sat, January 9, 2010 2:19:43 AM

Snake Surrender

 

 

 

 

Chrism - I am doing some wondering again! I know that I have not had this spinal

sweep, and have not really been trying to because there is some fear there. I

don't know if I am afraid that by losing myself that I will turn into somebody

else or what. I still feel an obligation to my responsibilities as a wife,

mother, worker, etc. I do not want to lose my ability to fulfill those

responsibilities. Or maybe I just don't want to lose it altogether!

 

But now I am wondering - is it also a requirement to surrender (in dreams or

visions) to a snake biting or swallowing you? I have only had one snake dream

and I talked about that when I was here three years ago. I went through a phase

where I had reoccurring spider dreams, and I really didn't know what that was

about, but that stopped awhile back.

 

If so, is the purpose for this to be symbolic of surrendering to all fear? That

is the only explanation I can come up with in my mind to make sense out of why a

Higher Power (God/Goddess) would subject us to such a frightening experience. I

guess I always thought that the perfect love of God/Goddess would dissolve fear

in a more loving way. Like the Presence of God/Goddess would be the absence of

fear, if that makes sense.

 

Also, wondering why I would feel the tingling in the crown and the pressure in

the third eye, without having had a spinal sweep.

 

I have had too many K experiences to doubt the validity of it. I don't doubt it.

I just get Confucius sometimes!

 

I am guessing that it is our own egos that bring about the fearful aspects? And

that these frightening confrontations are somehow an experience to help us to

understand the illusion of that which we fear? To help us to understand that

what we fear is not real? And that by confronting/ surrendering to the fearful

events, we are demonstrating our understanding/ acceptance of this?

 

Also, like what happened to Gopi - is it common to have a spinal sweep that is

followed by a more debilitating series of events? If so, this would make

surrendering/ trusting more difficult (for me anyway.) Or is it possible for one

to go through this and still remain intact? (Able to function and carry out

normal responsibilities? )

 

Now that I think about it, I think I am most terrified of not being able to

function and carry out responsibilities that, if not fulfilled, would seem like

an abandonment of people that I care about. Also, if I flip out, that would be

really embarrassing! LOL!

 

Thanks! Much appreciation. Hanging on to that sanity for dear life. Don't know

if I can surrender to insanity!

 

GCDeb

 

 

[Guest guest]

I often have similar worries, more so during the last week. It doesn't help

" reading around " the internet, where you hear the horror stories and the worry

police talking about how it will turn all but the most saintly guru into a

gibbering wreck.

 

My fear is especially present because of my job, being a primary school teacher

I don't have the option to hide in a corner at work and have a " quiet " week. I'm

stood in front of 32 children all day. Losing control in front of them would be

unthinkable.

 

The fear is deep down somewhere, but I know its there. Whenever I get any form

of physical feeling that I associate with Kundalini my initial reaction is to

freeze like a statue, as though any movement will result in me exploding into

small pieces all over the carpet!

 

I try to keep telling myself that whatever happens will happen for the best! lol

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Chrism, Julia and Andrew!

 

- worry and fear have been a battle for me my entire life, so

nothing would make me happier than to experience a relief from those bad, bad

" boxes of thought! " One more question - could this be a permanent release from

all fear and worry? I got the impression that this is what Eckhart Tolle

experienced and keep thinking how wonderful that his fear just completely went

away like that. That definitely would be heaven on earth! Thank you so much

for the wonderful part that you play in helping to alleviate the fears and

worries of everyone here. That is quite a job and you are so perfect for it,

and it is so very much appreciated.

 

Julia - I always love your kind, compassionate and beautiful way of looking

at things. Thank you so much for everything that you do here. I really

appreciate and respect your viewpoint (and wisdom) so much.

 

Andrew - I can most definitely relate to your work situation - I am in a

similar work situation of no escape, except I work with adults, that is the only

difference. We share the same greatest fear, it seems! I also freeze at work

whenever I feel the least little K related symptom! But so far, have been able

to keep it together pretty good, one day at a time, just like you. It seems as

though we are in good care, whether we realize it or not! Listening to others

on this forum who are experiencing the same things really helps so much. I am

so grateful that we have each other and don't have to go through this alone.

 

GCDeb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I remembered a quote in a book so I dug it out, I think its also on here

somewhere in te files section, it seems to fit so I thought I'd post it!

The Question Of Risk: There are so many whispers about the dangers of

awakening and dark hints about people going crazy or developing

disturbing powers, but everything in life is risky and there are far

more dangers in ordinary daily life than you will encounter on the path

of kundalini. Every time you walk across the street or travel by car or

plane, you take a risk. In pursuit of desires, passions and ambitions,

people take greater risks every day without thinking twice about it. Yet

they allow the relatively minor risk of kundalini to deter them from

pursuing the supreme goal of higher consciousness. Awakening of

kundalini is the birth of Christ, Krishna, Buddha or Mohammed. It is one

of the greatest events of human life, just as for a mother to have a

baby, no matter what the consequences. Without involving yourself in

risk, nothing great in life can be achieved. (Swami Satyananda

Saraswati)