Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? I would appreciate if anyone found out some short answers...there are some long texts about it but I would like to know if any of you found out some short basic answer about his. I still bit confused and when I pray I do to all of them..but who is who or are the same or ? Highly appreciate you input. peace and love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi monica, I can't do short replies (lol ) so I should not even be attempting to reply and especially when I do not know the answer!! I will try! I have asked myself all those questions too and I have  not come up with a definitive answer. At the moment I have come to the view that they are seperate aspects of the ONE.  they " act " independantly or we are given to view them as seperate, but they are also one and the same.  Sometimes I seem to know this for sure and other times it is as clear as mud! I would like to hear other replies too, so thanks for posting. love Julia ________________________________ monilovepeace <monikaeslava Tue, January 12, 2010 9:43:58 AM some short answer...?  Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? I would appreciate if anyone found out some short answers...there are some long texts about it but I would like to know if any of you found out some short basic answer about his. I still bit confused and when I pray I do to all of them..but who is who or are the same or ? Highly appreciate you input. peace and love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi Monica, I just reposted an article in the group Kundalini-the-Holy-Fire-Of-Christ about this, which I dug up from an old posting about 18 months ago, Have a read. The short answer to your question, acccording to the article, is that the Holy Spirit = Shakti (and the holy spirit is a feminine energy) love Bruce , Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote: > > > > Hi monica, > I can't do short replies (lol ) so I should not even be attempting to reply and especially when I do not know the answer!! I will try! > I have asked myself all those questions too and I have >  not come up with a definitive answer. At the moment I have come to the view that they are seperate aspects of the ONE.  they " act " independantly or we are given to view them as seperate, but they are also one and the same.  > Sometimes I seem to know this for sure and other times it is as clear as mud! > I would like to hear other replies too, so thanks for posting. > love Julia > > > ________________________________ > monilovepeace <monikaeslava > > Tue, January 12, 2010 9:43:58 AM > some short answer...? > >  > Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? > > I would appreciate if anyone found out some short answers...there are some long texts about it but I would like to know if any of you found out some short basic answer about his. I still bit confused and when I pray I do to all of them..but who is who or are the same or ? > > Highly appreciate you input. > > peace and love > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 This can get confusing but it is that all of them are an aspect of " the one " . The best way I can find to describe this is in this way: Joseph Campbell, who is best known for his work in comparative mythology, dubbed the term " The Hero with a Thousand Faces. " In a work of Norse mythology he described Odin as The God of War... but Odin is also the God of Poetry, and many other things. To explain that, he said " While Odin is the god of war, he is not the god of poetry. He is acting as the god of war. Likewise, as the god of poetry, he is not the god of war. However, this does not mean he is two seperate entities, but rather, one is an aspect of the other, another 'mask' of God. " There are so many of these in history as well; a good example is the Persian Mithra appears in Indo-Iranian religion as a sun god. He also appears in the Avesta (Zoroastrian) as a Sun God, but also as a mediator between man and the One God (Ahura Mazda); and also as a judge of the dead. He is also a god of friendships and contracts; he later appeared in Rome with a " mystery cult " dedicated to the ascension of the soul; he is also the Hindu Mitra, associated with Varuna, as a god of the sun. So according to Campbell one could say that these are all " aspects " of one entity. Or another term he used was " The Masks of God " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I don't know if I am right or not, but I see the Holy Spirit, Shakti,and Virgin Mary all as the same espect, representing the feminine earth energy. To me Christ is the point in the heart when/where the feminine and muscaline energy merge and become as one. Love Linda , " monilovepeace " <monikaeslava wrote: > > Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? > > I would appreciate if anyone found out some short answers...there are some long texts about it but I would like to know if any of you found out some short basic answer about his. I still bit confused and when I pray I do to all of them..but who is who or are the same or ? > > Highly appreciate you input. > > peace and love > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 loved this article Bruce~! Monica I think you'll really enjoy it! Thanks again Bruce and hope you are feeling good - i keep thinking of your story with the gold color and all - I don't think the people who drink that funny tea (: with the shamans have it so good! Of course they don't have a good rope do they? Lots of love, Mia D (deb) , " BruceO " <bruce_oom wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 My son-in-law is a big Joseph Campbell fan. My son in law is very intelligent. Some might not believe this--but extreme intelligence can (not always, mind you!)--impede spiritual growth. My wife is uncomfortable with some of son-in-law's statements and questions. I translate for him to her. I tell her; " Hey, at least he's ASKING! " I feel like this also. It makes sense to have one God. After experiencing Oneness the idea is the only one that makes sense. So Shakti, Jesus, Allah, Jehovah....and you and me and my very special African Grey Daughter Marley ( to name some)---are all aspects of the Creator. Makes sense to me! Stephen - rachel_rounsavall Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:16 AM Re: some short answer...? This can get confusing but it is that all of them are an aspect of " the one " . The best way I can find to describe this is in this way: Joseph Campbell, who is best known for his work in comparative mythology, dubbed the term " The Hero with a Thousand Faces. " In a work of Norse mythology he described Odin as The God of War... but Odin is also the God of Poetry, and many other things. To explain that, he said " While Odin is the god of war, he is not the god of poetry. He is acting as the god of war. Likewise, as the god of poetry, he is not the god of war. However, this does not mean he is two seperate entities, but rather, one is an aspect of the other, another 'mask' of God. " There are so many of these in history as well; a good example is the Persian Mithra appears in Indo-Iranian religion as a sun god. He also appears in the Avesta (Zoroastrian) as a Sun God, but also as a mediator between man and the One God (Ahura Mazda); and also as a judge of the dead. He is also a god of friendships and contracts; he later appeared in Rome with a " mystery cult " dedicated to the ascension of the soul; he is also the Hindu Mitra, associated with Varuna, as a god of the sun. So according to Campbell one could say that these are all " aspects " of one entity. Or another term he used was " The Masks of God " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi, I belong to an organisation called 'The Fellowship Of Isis'. We all have or are members of Iseums and Lyceums dedicated to the Goddess Isis of 1,000 names. My Iseum is called Daughter Of Qetesh where I raise money for women and children in need, here & abroad, who have been victims of abuse. I also use my Iseum as a base for Counselling. The various groups have many names of the Goddess aspect of the divine-including Shakti, Mary Magdalene, Brigid, The Virgin Mary and many others. We all see her as one aspect but with many qualities, and it is the various qualities we relate to. Some are related to the God and Goddess aspect, but in one form. I hope this makes sense, if not you can look at the FOI site and see the work going on. I see Shakti inside me and I worship her as Qetesh. I dont think it matters what you call her/him as the names are referring to just one source. Allah, Jesus, Mary..... All is one. Blessings, Iona x , " monilovepeace " <monikaeslava wrote: > > Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? > > I would appreciate if anyone found out some short answers...there are some long texts about it but I would like to know if any of you found out some short basic answer about his. I still bit confused and when I pray I do to all of them..but who is who or are the same or ? > > Highly appreciate you input. > > peace and love > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Hi Skydancer, How beautiful it is that you do this for the women and children! I like the name of your organization and I agree it doesn't matter what you call divinity, like you said its one source. Best wishes for you and all the people you help! Mia D (debs) , " ionaskydancer " <ionaskydancer wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 thanks to all for the answer on this post monica , " monilovepeace " <monikaeslava wrote: > > Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? > > I would appreciate if anyone found out some short answers...there are some long texts about it but I would like to know if any of you found out some short basic answer about his. I still bit confused and when I pray I do to all of them..but who is who or are the same or ? > > Highly appreciate you input. > > peace and love > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Monica, I thought this was a fantastic question and I have struggled with this also. And - I am not real good at short answers! LOL! All I know is that this Presence is with people of all faiths, no matter what the background, no matter what words we use to describe It, no matter what symbols we imagine. It is Energy and Infinitely Intelligent. It is far more All-Encompassing than our little minds can grasp or categorize. I think It is Loving and Peaceful. I think It is Life, Itself. I think It has a sense of humor! But what to call It? I have no idea anymore, either! But I have a feeling that It doesn't really have a preference! Love to the K family! GCDeb Re: Monica: > Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Thanks Deb I am still studding that.  The answer of Linda resonates lots to me.  " I don't know if I am right or not, but I see the Holy Spirit, Shakti, and Virgin Mary all as the same aspect, representing the feminine earth energy. To me Christ is the point in the heart when/where the feminine and masculine energy merge and become as one. "  I also think the names and forms are just an excuse from the mind to understand. I prefer to keep that all are just aspects of the same unity or God and all is one…!!  Blessings Monica --- El lun 18-ene-10, Deb111222 <Deb111222 escribió: De: Deb111222 <Deb111222 Asunto: Re: some short answer...? A: Fecha: lunes, 18 enero, 2010, 5:21 am  Monica, I thought this was a fantastic question and I have struggled with this also. And - I am not real good at short answers! LOL! All I know is that this Presence is with people of all faiths, no matter what the background, no matter what words we use to describe It, no matter what symbols we imagine. It is Energy and Infinitely Intelligent. It is far more All-Encompassing than our little minds can grasp or categorize. I think It is Loving and Peaceful. I think It is Life, Itself. I think It has a sense of humor! But what to call It? I have no idea anymore, either! But I have a feeling that It doesn't really have a preference! Love to the K family! GCDeb Re: Monica: > Is Christ the same holy spirit or different? Is Shakti Virgin Mary or Christ or the holy spirit or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Yes, I agree Monica! That really was a great answer and it resonates with me also! GCDeb The answer of Linda resonates lots to me. " I don't know if I am right or not, but I see the Holy Spirit, Shakti, and Virgin Mary all as the same aspect, representing the feminine earth energy. To me Christ is the point in the heart when/where the feminine and masculine energy merge and become as one. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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