For Private Students - Surrenderings

[Guest guest]

This way of teaching is modeled from the ancient methods of complete devotion

and surrender. A " one to one " scenario. The difference being that I do not

to hurtful methods of the past or present. -

[Guest guest]

Dear Chrism,

The list of surrendings is like a prayer; an offering.

The reality is that everything that we think we have and are is an illusion, and

the more we try to hold on to tangible things the more we are obstructed in our

path. Surrender is therefore a way of clearing our path.

You are my living force of Kundalini; the wave that is formed in the sea of my

consciousness and which is flooding all the levels.

Love, Sandra

 

 

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> This way of teaching is modeled from the ancient methods of complete devotion

and surrender. A " one to one " scenario. The difference being that I do not

to hurtful methods of the past or present. -

>

[Guest guest]

I am still in this very apart place which seems like an ongoing process of

surrender. I am not sure if the inlove and one with all feelings have been

withdrawn from me or if I have moved away myself, it seems like I have no choice

but to be here experiencing this apartness. It does not feel easy to be here so

I think my surrender is not absolute? Anyway I think it is because I am not

feeling the in love / oneness with the divine that I am in a place of thinking

and thinking? A prayer of intention seems a bit different to acts of

demonstration. I am confused even more than usual.

Are there 2 sorts of surrenders? The surrender that is all encompassing and is

given from a sacred place within and then the surrendering that is from a

practical and more ego driven place?

 

 

 

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

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> Dear Chrism,

> The list of surrendings is like a prayer;

[Guest guest]

Dear Julia,

The Divine is with you even if you are feeling apart. Prayer is a means of

connection to the Divine. As I understand it, a prayer of intention will invite

the Divine to express in our lives, and acts of demonstration will follow.

Love, Sandra

 

 

, " Julia " <jajahern

wrote:

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>

> I am still in this very apart place which seems like an ongoing process of

surrender. I am not sure if the inlove and one with all feelings have been

withdrawn from me or if I have moved away myself, it seems like I have no choice

but to be here experiencing this apartness. It does not feel easy to be here so

I think my surrender is not absolute? Anyway I think it is because I am not

feeling the in love / oneness with the divine that I am in a place of thinking

and thinking? A prayer of intention seems a bit different to acts of

demonstration. I am confused even more than usual.

> Are there 2 sorts of surrenders? The surrender that is all encompassing and

is given from a sacred place within and then the surrendering that is from a

practical and more ego driven place?

>

>

>

>

> , " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chrism,

> > The list of surrendings is like a prayer;

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sandra.

I am not expressing myself very well at all.

I am feeling apart but not apart from the divine in that I know the divine is

with me. I was trying to say that the surrender list gave is like a

prayer of intention to surrender, It can be said sincerely with devout intention

of surrendeering to K / shakti/ holy spirit/ . However the practical side of

this list, the actual practical demonstration of surrrender may be slower to

follow..??? Again this is probably just me and I feel that I am way off in a

different room to the rest of you at the moment. Knock knock can anyone hear me?

love julia.

 

Kundalini-Awakening-System$$s-1 , " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrot

>

> Dear Julia,

> The Divine is with you even if you are feeling apart. Prayer is a means of

connection to the Divine. As I understand it, a prayer of intention will invite

the Divine to express in our lives, and acts of demonstration will follow.

> Love, Sandra

>

>

> , " Julia " <jajahern@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am still in this very apart place which seems like an ongoing process of

surrender. I am not sure if the inlove and one with all feelings have been

withdrawn from me or if I have moved away myself, it seems like I have no choice

but to be here experiencing this apartness. It does not feel easy to be here so

I think my surrender is not absolute? Anyway I think it is because I am not

feeling the in love / oneness with the divine that I am in a place of thinking

and thinking? A prayer of intention seems a bit different to acts of

demonstration. I am confused even more than usual.

> > Are there 2 sorts of surrenders? The surrender that is all encompassing and

is given from a sacred place within and then the surrendering that is from a

practical and more ego driven place?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chrism,

> > > The list of surrendings is like a prayer;

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Julia,

 

Yes, we can hear you. I think we're all in the same room. I think it's just that

surrender is about ego, and each of our egos is unique, so the specific ways we

demonstrate surrender might seem opposite or strange to an outsider when for us

it is exactly what we need.

 

For myself, I've always been rather driven. I've lived a disciplined and

structured life, and have centered it around community. For me, now, my

surrender comes in learning to accept and embody the teachings of going slowly,

putting my needs ahead of community, being gentle to myself, learning to do

something soft and kind for myself daily, to " walk, not on rocks, but on rose

petals. " That's hard! It's totally opposite of what I'm used to, and I'm having

a hard time with it. I keep pressuring myself and pushing myself because that is

what always worked for me in the past, and now I have to learn to do the

opposite. I find now that when I push, everything else pushes back! I need to go

play. It sounds so simple, but it's hard for me.

 

For someone who grew up being soft and playful, structure and discipline and

walking on rocks might be their form of surrender.

 

I think it's all about balance, and clearing away fears and misconceptions about

who we are and how the world works, however these things manifest for each of

us.

 

I don't know if what I'm saying addresses what you need or not; I hope I'm

understanding you. But if understanding is part of my identity, or yours, I'm

sure it's up for surrender!

 

Love & Peace,

Shaz

 

--- Julia wrote:

I am not expressing myself very well at all.

I am feeling apart but not apart from the divine in that I know the divine is

with me. I was trying to say that the surrender list gave is like a

prayer of intention to surrender, It can be said sincerely with devout intention

of surrendeering to K / shakti/ holy spirit/ . However the practical side of

this list, the actual practical demonstration of surrrender may be slower to

follow..??? Again this is probably just me and I feel that I am way off in a

different room to the rest of you at the moment. Knock knock can anyone hear me?

love julia.

[Guest guest]

No need to knock Julia, I'm right beside you. LOL. I found David's postings to

be very helpful. I carried them around in my scrubs pocket at work and all day

for that matter. I re-read them again before falling asleep. I've been caught in

mind mode lately...it causes me to analyze and pick through everything and fear.

Hence it has been keeping me at a distance from my own Self and truth; it causes

me to be isolated/disconnected in a sense; even in meditation. But I feel the

shift happening again in which I can experience my hearts flame vs my mind/ego

chatter and resistance.

 

It's an interesting shifting...reminds of when I learned how to drive a car,

grinding the gears, stalling out, burning rubber and dreading yet loving the

biggest hill my dad could find for me to practice, and practice and practice.

What a patient little car. Do you understand my analogy?

 

Love:

Danielle

 

 

 

, " Julia " <jajahern

wrote:

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>

> Thank you Sandra.

I am way off in a different room to the rest of you at the moment. Knock knock

can anyone hear me?

> love julia.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi shaz,

 

Thank you.   Some part of me needed to hear that I was not in a different room

no matter how much it feels like that just now.  Thanks too for sharing about

your own surrender.  Balance sounds real good to me so may it soon be here.

love julia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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shaktiaz <shaktiaz

 

Sun, January 24, 2010 6:46:24 PM

Re: For Private Students -

Surrenderings

 

 

Hi Julia,

 

Yes, we can hear you. I think we're all in the same room. I think it's just that

surrender is about ego, and each of our egos is unique, so the specific ways we

demonstrate surrender might seem opposite or strange to an outsider when for us

it is exactly what we need.

 

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hi Danielle,

 

Thanks. Knocking seemed like the quietest thing I could do, I really wanted to

bang on the wall and scream " I am in here because I can't get this right, what

is wrong with me, where has my knowing gone, what am I doing wrong etc etc

etc. "   I feel calmer now!   I have not been able to read the postings

properly so I will go back and read Davids again.

" Mind mode " is a good way of putting some of what is happening here with me

too. 

As I was getting the children organised for bed, it suddenly struck me to

surrender the thinking. Just surrender the thinking, surrender all the

thinking.  That feels right.

 

I like the car analogy very much

Thanks.

love julia

 

 

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iamwaitingmoon <iamwaitingmoon

 

Sun, January 24, 2010 6:51:12 PM

Re: For Private Students -

Surrenderings

 

 

No need to knock Julia, I'm right beside you. LOL. I found David's postings to

be very helpful. I carried them around in my scrubs pocket at work and all day

for that matter. I re-read them again before falling asleep. I've been caught in

mind mode lately...it causes me to analyze and pick through everything and fear.

Hence it has been keeping me at a distance from my own Self and truth; it causes

me to be isolated/disconnect ed in a sense; even in meditation. But I feel the

shift happening again in which I can experience my hearts flame vs my mind/ego

chatter and resistance.

 

It's an interesting shifting...reminds of when I learned how to drive a car,

grinding the gears, stalling out, burning rubber and dreading yet loving the

biggest hill my dad could find for me to practice, and practice and practice.

What a patient little car. Do you understand my analogy?

 

Love:

Danielle

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " Julia " <jajahern@.. .>

wrote:

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>

> Thank you Sandra.

I am way off in a different room to the rest of you at the moment.. Knock knock

can anyone hear me?

> love julia.

>

>