Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Dear Stephen, It was not my intention at all to comment about what you found correct and right for you regarding ritual. I absoloutely understand and absoloutely accept that you found the JOG rituals too excessive. I have no interest at all in you changing your mind and I have no idea why you should think that I want you to change your ways re ritual. What is right for you is right for you. ~Because your reply was so defensive of yourself I think that you may have felt attacked by me and I have no interest at all in attacking you or your own perspective. I am not into ritual and very rarely practice ritual but what suits you and suits me has nothing to do with the point I was making about ritual being more than perhaps you perceived it to be. I was hopeful that if you saw that ritual was more than you perceive it to be then you might back off from commenting in a judgemental derogatory and synical manner about the choices others make, which in my opinion you have done on a consistant basis in all your posts. If I pulled the ego card as you say I did then it was in the hope that you would change your " evil ways " about the manner in which you speak of others who do not agreee with your perspective. I think it is ironic that just as the people at the casa did to you when you did not agree with them you also so expressed here re people who do not agree with you. I found your comments about those who see things different to you to be sarcastic and condescending ... you made many judgemental statements about others way of being in the choices they make. Because I love you I did not want to be critical and so by not being totally honest with you from your first judgemental comment I have done you and myself a great dis service. So there it is... said ! God bless you too Stephen, Love Julia. , " Master Condrey " <mastercondrey wrote: > > Thank you for your ideas Sandra and J/A (of the Emerald Isle) on Ritual. > > I started all of these counterpoints by saying " JOG rituals seemed excessive and were a bit too much for me. " > > Everyone has to decide for him/her self what excessive is TO THEM. > > If you believe this ritual- (fill in the blank)-helps you spiritually--then do it! > If a ritual HOLDS YOU BACK or diminishes the feeling of 'Holiness'--it is counterproductive (that's the one's I'm wary of). > > I love when J/A (YES, YOU, IRISH GIRL!) pulls the " Ego Card " . > Sorry dear--that's a very old trick. It's supposed to make me change my 'Evil Ways'. It won't work on me. My Ego will engulf your ego and ask for more...HA! HAAA! HAAA! (Woops-Sorry! Got carried away). > > Let me just say- > Ego is the part of us that wants us to say-- " I'm right and you're wrong damnit! There will be no more of this! " . > > I won't say 'I'm RIGHT' (or the other little silly stuff before it). > > We have various rituals for various reasons (as you and Sandra stated). > > Ritual is good for humans to observe a TRANSITION-- In Life, Love, Spirituality...you name it. They are important! > > If one of my favorite rituals is to go on a mountain top and commune with God quietly--and I feel it is best for me and purposeful--it's right for me! > > If (for example) a certain Irish Girl feels compelled to go into a large cathedral full of like minded people, strip naked, paint herself purple-, > stand on her head and recite the Lord's prayer (in Portuguese) backward a thousand times....and she felt closer to God afterwards-- > though it might seem excessive to me--I would never tell her it's WRONG! > > That was not my intention. > Though JOG required nothing like the example I gave above--my reaction would be the same; " A bit excessive for me. " > > So if any one reads this--understand we are different for whatever reasons--and let it rest. > Enjoy your rituals and I'll enjoy mine. > > Sometimes (rather often, actually) I will join in with rituals other than the ones in my comfort zone so I won't seem a stumbling block to those that may really need such ritual. > > A beautiful example of a very Holy Figure doing this was when Jesus got Baptized (OK GUYS! I'M NOT SAYING JESUS & I ARE EQUALS!!). > Jesus didn't really need that ritual--he did it because he was a role model and other eyes would watch. > > If you are doing a ritual for the wrong reason (my wife /preacher /mommy / Julia / Sandra will give me HELL if I don't) --that is counterproductive. > > We all have minds and free will. I will exercise them both---I invite you to always consider why you are doing anything--ritual or otherwise. > > Is it for the controlling Ego--or because it is the right thing to do. > > Sometimes it takes a braver soul to just stand still while the rest of the world marches closer to a cliff. > > I guess together we have hit on a pet peeve of mine-- > Is what we do helping us spiritually---or just diverting our attention. (Sorry--that's Ego based!). > > You must decide for yourself. I, Chrism, Julia Amelia or Sandra cannot. > > God Bless Us all- > No more Ritual stuff-Please!! > > :) > Sincerely, > Your Humble Servant > Stephen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Julia I hope that when I said that I couldnt agree with Stephan more - I meant what he said about rituals in general not about anyone in particular-I had no idea that he was being defensive to you or anyone else. Please believe me when I reread that post I can see he was being hurtful. I want no part of that- I thought It was joking but now I see dif ferently. You have been nothing but kind and good and wise and helpful and I am truly sorry that I did not read that post more carefully. Being new to this site I just assumed that it was teasing but I was wrong. Please forgive me. with love Mary - " Julia " <jajahern Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:58:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Re: Julia's last word on ritual!!  Dear Stephen, It was not my intention at all to comment about what you found correct and right for you regarding ritual. I absoloutely understand and absoloutely accept that you found the JOG rituals too excessive. I have no interest at all in you changing your mind and I have no idea why you should think that I want you to change your ways re ritual. What is right for you is right for you. ~Because your reply was so defensive of yourself I think that you may have felt attacked by me and I have no interest at all in attacking you or your own perspective. I am not into ritual and very rarely practice ritual but what suits you and suits me has nothing to do with the point I was making about ritual being more than perhaps you perceived it to be. I was hopeful that if you saw that ritual was more than you perceive it to be then you might back off from commenting in a judgemental derogatory and synical manner about the choices others make, which in my opinion you have done on a consistant basis in all your posts. If I pulled the ego card as you say I did then it was in the hope that you would change your " evil ways " about the manner in which you speak of others who do not agreee with your perspective. I think it is ironic that just as the people at the casa did to you when you did not agree with them you also so expressed here re people who do not agree with you. I found your comments about those who see things different to you to be sarcastic and condescending ... you made many judgemental statements about others way of being in the choices they make. Because I love you I did not want to be critical and so by not being totally honest with you from your first judgemental comment I have done you and myself a great dis service. So there it is... said ! God bless you too Stephen, Love Julia. , " Master Condrey " <mastercondrey wrote: > > Thank you for your ideas Sandra and J/A (of the Emerald Isle) on Ritual. > > I started all of these counterpoints by saying " JOG rituals seemed excessive and were a bit too much for me. " > > Everyone has to decide for him/her self what excessive is TO THEM. > > If you believe this ritual- (fill in the blank)-helps you spiritually--then do it! > If a ritual HOLDS YOU BACK or diminishes the feeling of 'Holiness'--it is counterproductive (that's the one's I'm wary of). > > I love when J/A (YES, YOU, IRISH GIRL!) pulls the " Ego Card " . > Sorry dear--that's a very old trick. It's supposed to make me change my 'Evil Ways'. It won't work on me. My Ego will engulf your ego and ask for more...HA! HAAA! HAAA! (Woops-Sorry! Got carried away). > > Let me just say- > Ego is the part of us that wants us to say-- " I'm right and you're wrong damnit! There will be no more of this! " . > > I won't say 'I'm RIGHT' (or the other little silly stuff before it). > > We have various rituals for various reasons (as you and Sandra stated). > > Ritual is good for humans to observe a TRANSITION-- In Life, Love, Spirituality...you name it. They are important! > > If one of my favorite rituals is to go on a mountain top and commune with God quietly--and I feel it is best for me and purposeful--it's right for me! > > If (for example) a certain Irish Girl feels compelled to go into a large cathedral full of like minded people, strip naked, paint herself purple-, > stand on her head and recite the Lord's prayer (in Portuguese) backward a thousand times....and she felt closer to God afterwards-- > though it might seem excessive to me--I would never tell her it's WRONG! > > That was not my intention. > Though JOG required nothing like the example I gave above--my reaction would be the same; " A bit excessive for me. " > > So if any one reads this--understand we are different for whatever reasons--and let it rest. > Enjoy your rituals and I'll enjoy mine. > > Sometimes (rather often, actually) I will join in with rituals other than the ones in my comfort zone so I won't seem a stumbling block to those that may really need such ritual. > > A beautiful example of a very Holy Figure doing this was when Jesus got Baptized (OK GUYS! I'M NOT SAYING JESUS & I ARE EQUALS!!). > Jesus didn't really need that ritual--he did it because he was a role model and other eyes would watch. > > If you are doing a ritual for the wrong reason (my wife /preacher /mommy / Julia / Sandra will give me HELL if I don't) --that is counterproductive. > > We all have minds and free will. I will exercise them both---I invite you to always consider why you are doing anything--ritual or otherwise. > > Is it for the controlling Ego--or because it is the right thing to do. > > Sometimes it takes a braver soul to just stand still while the rest of the world marches closer to a cliff. > > I guess together we have hit on a pet peeve of mine-- > Is what we do helping us spiritually---or just diverting our attention. (Sorry--that's Ego based!). > > You must decide for yourself. I, Chrism, Julia Amelia or Sandra cannot. > > God Bless Us all- > No more Ritual stuff-Please!! > > :) > Sincerely, > Your Humble Servant > Stephen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 No- I was joking. If you are in tune for hurt --you receive hut. Not my intent! Sincerely, Stephen - merozema Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:27 PM Re: Re: Julia's last word on ritual!! Julia I hope that when I said that I couldnt agree with Stephan more - I meant what he said about rituals in general not about anyone in particular-I had no idea that he was being defensive to you or anyone else. Please believe me when I reread that post I can see he was being hurtful. I want no part of that- I thought It was joking but now I see dif ferently. You have been nothing but kind and good and wise and helpful and I am truly sorry that I did not read that post more carefully. Being new to this site I just assumed that it was teasing but I was wrong. Please forgive me. with love Mary - " Julia " <jajahern Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:58:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Re: Julia's last word on ritual!! Dear Stephen, It was not my intention at all to comment about what you found correct and right for you regarding ritual. I absoloutely understand and absoloutely accept that you found the JOG rituals too excessive. I have no interest at all in you changing your mind and I have no idea why you should think that I want you to change your ways re ritual. What is right for you is right for you. ~Because your reply was so defensive of yourself I think that you may have felt attacked by me and I have no interest at all in attacking you or your own perspective. I am not into ritual and very rarely practice ritual but what suits you and suits me has nothing to do with the point I was making about ritual being more than perhaps you perceived it to be. I was hopeful that if you saw that ritual was more than you perceive it to be then you might back off from commenting in a judgemental derogatory and synical manner about the choices others make, which in my opinion you have done on a consistant basis in all your posts. If I pulled the ego card as you say I did then it was in the hope that you would change your " evil ways " about the manner in which you speak of others who do not agreee with your perspective. I think it is ironic that just as the people at the casa did to you when you did not agree with them you also so expressed here re people who do not agree with you. I found your comments about those who see things different to you to be sarcastic and condescending ... you made many judgemental statements about others way of being in the choices they make. Because I love you I did not want to be critical and so by not being totally honest with you from your first judgemental comment I have done you and myself a great dis service. So there it is... said ! God bless you too Stephen, Love Julia. , " Master Condrey " <mastercondrey wrote: > > Thank you for your ideas Sandra and J/A (of the Emerald Isle) on Ritual. > > I started all of these counterpoints by saying " JOG rituals seemed excessive and were a bit too much for me. " > > Everyone has to decide for him/her self what excessive is TO THEM. > > If you believe this ritual- (fill in the blank)-helps you spiritually--then do it! > If a ritual HOLDS YOU BACK or diminishes the feeling of 'Holiness'--it is counterproductive (that's the one's I'm wary of). > > I love when J/A (YES, YOU, IRISH GIRL!) pulls the " Ego Card " . > Sorry dear--that's a very old trick. It's supposed to make me change my 'Evil Ways'. It won't work on me. My Ego will engulf your ego and ask for more...HA! HAAA! HAAA! (Woops-Sorry! Got carried away). > > Let me just say- > Ego is the part of us that wants us to say-- " I'm right and you're wrong damnit! There will be no more of this! " . > > I won't say 'I'm RIGHT' (or the other little silly stuff before it). > > We have various rituals for various reasons (as you and Sandra stated). > > Ritual is good for humans to observe a TRANSITION-- In Life, Love, Spirituality...you name it. They are important! > > If one of my favorite rituals is to go on a mountain top and commune with God quietly--and I feel it is best for me and purposeful--it's right for me! > > If (for example) a certain Irish Girl feels compelled to go into a large cathedral full of like minded people, strip naked, paint herself purple-, > stand on her head and recite the Lord's prayer (in Portuguese) backward a thousand times....and she felt closer to God afterwards-- > though it might seem excessive to me--I would never tell her it's WRONG! > > That was not my intention. > Though JOG required nothing like the example I gave above--my reaction would be the same; " A bit excessive for me. " > > So if any one reads this--understand we are different for whatever reasons--and let it rest. > Enjoy your rituals and I'll enjoy mine. > > Sometimes (rather often, actually) I will join in with rituals other than the ones in my comfort zone so I won't seem a stumbling block to those that may really need such ritual. > > A beautiful example of a very Holy Figure doing this was when Jesus got Baptized (OK GUYS! I'M NOT SAYING JESUS & I ARE EQUALS!!). > Jesus didn't really need that ritual--he did it because he was a role model and other eyes would watch. > > If you are doing a ritual for the wrong reason (my wife /preacher /mommy / Julia / Sandra will give me HELL if I don't) --that is counterproductive. > > We all have minds and free will. I will exercise them both---I invite you to always consider why you are doing anything--ritual or otherwise. > > Is it for the controlling Ego--or because it is the right thing to do. > > Sometimes it takes a braver soul to just stand still while the rest of the world marches closer to a cliff. > > I guess together we have hit on a pet peeve of mine-- > Is what we do helping us spiritually---or just diverting our attention. (Sorry--that's Ego based!). > > You must decide for yourself. I, Chrism, Julia Amelia or Sandra cannot. > > God Bless Us all- > No more Ritual stuff-Please!! > > :) > Sincerely, > Your Humble Servant > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 OUCH!!! My head hurts! I feel like a ping pong ball! LOVE-LOVE-LOVE to you all Mary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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