Mary--I'm not talking! :) Stephen's Last Word (I hope) on RITUAL :)

[Guest guest]

OK, Mary!

No 'R' word!

 

Let me say-

Thanks for the understanding.

 

Yes,

Honor all religions (True seekers of God)--

Just don't try to do EVERYTHING!

 

Yes--

We're on the same wavelength.

 

Glad I made you laugh!

:)

SC

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merozema

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:39 PM

Re: Stephen's Last Word (I hope) on

RITUAL

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry Stephan I know you asked for no more ritual stuff but I have to say. You

crack me up! I love reading your posts and I couldn't agree with you more!

 

Coming from my very strict Catholic background I have had a lot of rituals

(and dogma) crammed down my throat over the years that many younger people in

the church have no idea of or never experienced. I had always felt that no

matter what I did there I could not become worthy of God. I mean look at what

the saints and Holy people had to go through historically - crucifiction,

burning, beheading etc.. Even the confessing of my sins and forgiveness had to

be done through a priest. As a child and " sensitive " I can remember breaking

out in hives before going to confession because I thought I was a sinner and

could never be good enough compared to the saints and clergy. I thought this

mindset of extreme martyrdom was what was needed for me to get to heaven. Well,

I didn't want live the life of a priest or saint and as a result, I kind of gave

up. Nothing terrible, mind you, but nothing that great either. I became the

reluctant Catholic, ditching church when I could and suffering through the mass

when I had to. Not for me - and as an adult I eventually left the church to the

continued ridicule and dismay of my siblings .

 

I had a lot of anger issues I went through and still do at times (especially

when I see my brother send his daughter to confession when she misbehaves). But

this is how they see things I guess. After one particular argument over this

with a family member I was gifted with a vision where I was in my old church and

I was in the back of the congregation during a mass. I saw that over the heads

of some of the people were blue and white orbs glowing and I realized that this

was their particular path to God and it was holy. I have since lightened up so

to say.

 

Just like you, I find it not much use for me, personally, for extreme rituals

or dogmas but I can now appreciate the connection with God it provides for the

few who do resonate with it. My new saying is - if you feel it brings you closer

to God than that's GOOD!

 

I can now see that what I was doing was throwing the baby out with the

bathwater - so to say - and I now have a deeper respect for all true religions

and it various paths to God. I know that I will never be a " blind follower "

again but there are those who find what they need there. I look at it as finding

the pearl within the hard shell of the oyster. I think you see this too.

 

Thanks for your humor and frankness!

 

Mary

 

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" Master Condrey " <mastercondrey

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:57:29 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central

Stephen's Last Word (I hope) on

RITUAL

 

 

 

Thank you for your ideas Sandra and J/A (of the Emerald Isle) on Ritual.

 

I started all of these counterpoints by saying " JOG rituals seemed excessive

and were a bit too much for me. "

 

Everyone has to decide for him/her self what excessive is TO THEM.

 

If you believe this ritual- (fill in the blank)-helps you spiritually--then do

it!

If a ritual HOLDS YOU BACK or diminishes the feeling of 'Holiness'--it is

counterproductive (that's the one's I'm wary of).

 

I love when J/A (YES, YOU, IRISH GIRL!) pulls the " Ego Card " .

Sorry dear--that's a very old trick. It's supposed to make me change my 'Evil

Ways'. It won't work on me. My Ego will engulf your ego and ask for more...HA!

HAAA! HAAA! (Woops-Sorry! Got carried away).

 

Let me just say-

Ego is the part of us that wants us to say-- " I'm right and you're wrong

damnit! There will be no more of this! " .

 

I won't say 'I'm RIGHT' (or the other little silly stuff before it).

 

We have various rituals for various reasons (as you and Sandra stated).

 

Ritual is good for humans to observe a TRANSITION-- In Life, Love,

Spirituality...you name it. They are important!

 

If one of my favorite rituals is to go on a mountain top and commune with God

quietly--and I feel it is best for me and purposeful--it's right for me!

 

If (for example) a certain Irish Girl feels compelled to go into a large

cathedral full of like minded people, strip naked, paint herself purple-,

stand on her head and recite the Lord's prayer (in Portuguese) backward a

thousand times....and she felt closer to God afterwards--

though it might seem excessive to me--I would never tell her it's WRONG!

 

That was not my intention.

Though JOG required nothing like the example I gave above--my reaction would

be the same; " A bit excessive for me. "

 

So if any one reads this--understand we are different for whatever

reasons--and let it rest.

Enjoy your rituals and I'll enjoy mine.

 

Sometimes (rather often, actually) I will join in with rituals other than the

ones in my comfort zone so I won't seem a stumbling block to those that may

really need such ritual.

 

A beautiful example of a very Holy Figure doing this was when Jesus got

Baptized (OK GUYS! I'M NOT SAYING JESUS & I ARE EQUALS!!).

Jesus didn't really need that ritual--he did it because he was a role model

and other eyes would watch.

 

If you are doing a ritual for the wrong reason (my wife /preacher /mommy /

Julia / Sandra will give me HELL if I don't) --that is counterproductive.

 

We all have minds and free will. I will exercise them both---I invite you to

always consider why you are doing anything--ritual or otherwise.

 

Is it for the controlling Ego--or because it is the right thing to do.

 

Sometimes it takes a braver soul to just stand still while the rest of the

world marches closer to a cliff.

 

I guess together we have hit on a pet peeve of mine--

Is what we do helping us spiritually---or just diverting our attention.

(Sorry--that's Ego based!).

 

You must decide for yourself. I, Chrism, Julia Amelia or Sandra cannot.

 

God Bless Us all-

No more Ritual stuff-Please!!

 

:)

Sincerely,

Your Humble Servant

Stephen