Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Dear all, I have been reading a book and under the chapter titled " mental disorders and possession " I read this.... " the supreme Laws of divine Justice always follow their transgressor, no matter where he might be... Man through his deeds, thoughs and attitudes deposits in the centres of his intelligent life the seeds of his own disorders. These produce a multitude of mental conditions which surface as self - punishment through psychoses, psychopathic conditions, traumas and various obsessions... Simple neuroses as well as the more complex manifestations of hydro,micro and macrocephalic conditions, Down's syndrome mental retardation and schizophrenia all have theie actual causes in the past lives of the alienated spirit " I was very open to what was being said until the reference made to Down syndrome and alienated spirit!! My 7 year old has Down syndrome. i happen to think that down syndrome is not a mental disorder at all but is viewed as such by us, the normal ones..lol! Because I am exploring the ideas people have re Karma and past lives and such I would like to understand better what is being said here, but I am stuck at this point. I would appreciate some input and thoughts about this if folks would be so kind. There is no need to with hold what you think because of my daughters down syndrome.... I would appreciate honest evaluations and thoughts on this matter. Love Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 hi julia, I recently read a book where a group of scientists did a reserch on children recalling past lives, they gathered a great number of cases... well, among other things, they claimed there were numerous cases of children being born with scars, birthmarks, and such in the same places phisical traumas had occurred in the previous life. a phisical " memory " being carried on by the old consciousness in to the new body. for example a bullet shot in the chest could manifest as a troublesome heart, or as a red birthmark. it is a topic that intrigues me too, that of past lives, but I have a hard time " grasping " clear cut explanations such as the one you quoted below... not to say it's right or wrong because I really dont know... it feels a little negative and distructive, bringing law and rigidity to areas I feel are much more subtle. love, lucia , Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have been reading a book and under the chapter titled " mental disorders and possession " I read this.... > " the supreme Laws of divine Justice always follow their transgressor, no matter where he might be... > Man through his deeds, thoughs and attitudes deposits in the centres of his intelligent life the seeds of his own disorders. These produce a multitude of mental conditions which surface as self - punishment through psychoses, psychopathic conditions, traumas and various obsessions... Simple neuroses as well as the more complex manifestations of hydro,micro and macrocephalic conditions, Down's syndrome mental retardation and schizophrenia all have theie actual causes in the past lives of the alienated spirit " > > I was very open to what was being said until the reference made to Down syndrome and alienated spirit!! My 7 year old has Down syndrome. > i happen to think that down syndrome is not a mental disorder at all but is viewed as such by us, the normal ones..lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 The way I see it all diseases; mental, physical, emotional, are all illusions we have chosen to experience. In true reality there is no such thing as a mental disorder of any kind. Rather you call it a disorder or something else, it is still an illusion being experienced by you and your daughter. All diseases and disorders are all created tools being used by us all. They keep us humble and screaming out our prayer for wholeness. That is the way I see it. Love, Linda , Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote: > > Dear all, There is no need to with hold what you think because of my daughters down syndrome.... I would appreciate honest evaluations and thoughts on this matter. > > Love Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I'm not sure what the alienated spirit means, but perhaps it references something as universal as temporary separation from source (or the illusion of separation). But regardless, I understand past lives as preordained by ourselves in order that we may evolve further. A difficult life I had chosen in the past was a person with MS. And in that life I learned how to give up control, to surrender. And it was not a pleasant life but I must of felt it was important enough to experience. So with this perspective I do not carry as heavy a heart as I used to (being sensitive to others plights). I now understand that there are no victims in life - once we step back and observe. I have compassion but I don't feel sorry for lives chosen. I don't know why your son chose this life, but I believe it was done with great thought and consideration. Just my beliefs. Blessings Julia. Carla On 24 February 2010 14:15, Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote: > > > Dear all, > > I have been reading a book and under the chapter titled " mental disorders > and possession " I read this.... > " the supreme Laws of divine Justice always follow their transgressor, no > matter where he might be... > Man through his deeds, thoughs and attitudes deposits in the centres of his > intelligent life the seeds of his own disorders. These pro > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Thank you all for the replies so far, I really appreciate your information, your opinion and your sharing. I would love to hear more ! Love Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Julia As a mother of a child with a disability myself I thought I would give you my take on this subject. I think that just like anyone else people challenged with disabilities come into the world with their own agendas and sometimes it just could be to help the rest of us achieve ours. When I look back on the years of raising a special needs child -I see nothing but gifts. For me, she has opened doors to a world that I never knew existed. I think of all the doctors, therapists, teachers, social workers etc.. who, through her, were able to practice a higher calling. I think of other parents of disabled children I have met and how, through our sharing, we are deeply connected. I think of the friends, strangers and people she has touched and, through her story and spirit, see the world a little differently. I think of the challenges, heartbreaks and " little deaths " I faced when raising her and how it has only made me stronger. I think of the love and joy and laughter she has brought into my life. But most of all, when I look at her and others challenged with disabilities I think " What brave and noble souls, to come into this world like they have in order to raise us all. " To me, this is service in its highest form. Love and blessings Mary - " Julia " <jajahern Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:37:02 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Re: past lives..?  Thank you all for the replies so far, I really appreciate your information, your opinion and your sharing. I would love to hear more ! Love Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Mary and all of you who have replied, I don't understand the term " alienated spirit " . Is that just a term in this book or is it a common term? I am reading about people choosing to return to bodies with specific tasks and agreements decided by them from before birth. This concept is not familiar to me as a christian and it would have never been part of my education. I have always said we will find out soon enough when we leave the body and I have not paid too much attention to it. I need to read more information about this and explore the possibilities. some months back I had a discussion with Chrism about Ressurection and I am seeing the ressurection of christ in a broader way now that does not exclude the possibility of reincarnation. I think when I read the passage I quoted it felt like the writer was saying that down syndrome was a punishment or at least a negative concequesne occuring because of a past live. I probably misinterpreted what he was saying but somehow it did not feel right. If reincarnation is real then my daughter chose to come back with Down syndrome, then I agree with Mary she is a bright brave and nobel soul. Her light shines on us all and she makes us all become better people because of her presence with us. We are blessed to know her unconditional love and her knowing. I would love to hear more on this if people feel okke sharing about reincarnation. love julia -Awakening-Systems-1 , merozema wrote: > > > > Julia > > > > As a mother of a child with a disability myself I thought I would give you my take on this subject. > > > > > But most of all, when I look at her and others challenged with disabilities I think " What brave and noble souls, to come into this world like they have in order to raise us all. " To me, this is service in its highest form. > > > > > Love and blessings > > Mary > > > - > " Julia " <jajahern > > Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:37:02 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Re: past lives..? > >  > > > > > Thank you all for the replies so far, I really appreciate your information, your opinion and your sharing. > > I would love to hear more ! > > Love Julia > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi Julia, Just a thought that came to my mind after reading your email. >>i happen to think that down syndrome is not a mental disorder at all but is viewed as such by us If you went to the doctor and said " I feel i am the whole universe " , they (they= " official " medical people would probably label you as having a mental problem and put you on medication. So don't listen to what " they " say, because the official medical (especially western) rules were written from a very narrow conditioned mind. With much love, Mike On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Julia Ahern <jajahern wrote: > > > Dear all, > > I have been reading a book and under the chapter titled " mental disorders > and possession " I read this.... > " the supreme Laws of divine Justice always follow their transgressor, no > matter where he might be... > Man through his deeds, thoughs and attitudes deposits in the centres of his > intelligent life the seeds of his own disorders. These produce a multitude > of mental conditions which surface as self - punishment through psychoses, > psychopathic conditions, traumas and various obsessions... Simple neuroses > as well as the more complex manifestations of hydro,micro and macrocephalic > conditions, Down's syndrome mental retardation and schizophrenia all have > theie actual causes in the past lives of the alienated spirit " > > I was very open to what was being said until the reference made to Down > syndrome and alienated spirit!! My 7 year old has Down syndrome. > i happen to think that down syndrome is not a mental disorder at all but is > viewed as such by us, the normal ones..lol! > Because I am exploring the ideas people have re Karma and past lives and > such I would like to understand better what is being said here, but I am > stuck at this point. > I would appreciate some input and thoughts about this if folks would be so > kind. There is no need to with hold what you think because of my daughters > down syndrome.... I would appreciate honest evaluations and thoughts on this > matter. > > Love Julia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Julia, Many people seem to see reincarnation as punishment. Choice is hard for us to understand from this perspective. The thought has crossed my mind more then once " Why did I chose this crap? " However, it is all for our benefit. I think it is easier to see it as punishment since that is what we are usually raised with. I certainly had my perspectives in the past about how I was being punished. Reading of different lives chosen via Edgar Cayce readings help me understand more about our choices. Some believe that references to reincarnation were removed from the Bible, around the 6th century I think. Not sure about that. However, in one of the 36 or so versions it could of been removed. Anyways, I don't want to get into that too much lest I offend anyone. Personally, the past life scenario is the only one that made sense to me. And I can incorporate God/Divine/Source beliefs into it quite easily. I guess we all just do what feels right. I wish you well on your journey of exploration Julia. Carla On 25 February 2010 09:51, Julia <jajahern wrote: > > > > Dear Mary and all of you who have replied, > > I don't understand the term " alienated spirit " . Is that just a term in this > book or is it a common term? > > I am reading about people choosing to return to bodies with specific tasks > and agreements decided by them from before birth. This c > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I can see where reincarnation could be and also how it could not be. As far as the bible goes I don't think verses about reincarnation has been removed from it, but some just do not see the verses as such and intrepert them in a different way. The the belief in reincarntion back then was such common knowledge, there was not much of a need to write about. It is there in the old and new testament if you are looking for it.. Linda , " Carla & Patrick " <bowenhealth wrote: > > Julia, > Many people seem to see reincarnation as punishment. Choice is hard for us > to understand from this perspective. The thought has crossed my mind more > then once " Why did I chose this crap? " However, it is all for our benefit. > > I think it is easier to see it as punishment since that is what we are > usually raised with. I certainly had my perspectives in the past about how I > was being punished. Reading of different lives chosen via Edgar Cayce > readings help me understand more about our choices. > > Some believe that references to reincarnation were removed from the Bible, > around the 6th century I think. Not sure about that. However, in one of the > 36 or so versions it could of been removed. Anyways, I don't want to get > into that too much lest I offend anyone. > > Personally, the past life scenario is the only one that made sense to me. > And I can incorporate God/Divine/Source beliefs into it quite easily. I > guess we all just do what feels right. > > I wish you well on your journey of exploration Julia. > Carla > > > On 25 February 2010 09:51, Julia <jajahern wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary and all of you who have replied, > > > > I don't understand the term " alienated spirit " . Is that just a term in this > > book or is it a common term? > > > > I am reading about people choosing to return to bodies with specific tasks > > and agreements decided by them from before birth. This c > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Julia, In our 1000's and 1000's of births we have taken all positions for experience. Read(google) on the Karmic wheel, it wil help you to understand more. Love & Light, Pamela , " Julia " <jajahern wrote: > > > Dear Mary and all of you who have replied, > > I don't understand the term " alienated spirit " . Is that just a term in this book or is it a common term? > > I am reading about people choosing to return to bodies with specific tasks and agreements decided by them from before birth. This concept is not familiar to me as a christian and it would have never been part of my education. I have always said we will find out soon enough when we leave the body and I have not paid too much attention to it. I need to read more information about this and explore the possibilities. some months back I had a discussion with Chrism about Ressurection and I am seeing the ressurection of christ in a broader way now that does not exclude the possibility of reincarnation. > > I think when I read the passage I quoted it felt like the writer was saying that down syndrome was a punishment or at least a negative concequesne occuring because of a past live. I probably misinterpreted what he was saying but somehow it did not feel right. > If reincarnation is real then my daughter chose to come back with Down syndrome, then I agree with Mary she is a bright brave and nobel soul. Her light shines on us all and she makes us all become better people because of her presence with us. We are blessed to know her unconditional love and her knowing. > > I would love to hear more on this if people feel okke sharing about reincarnation. > love julia > > > -Awakening-Systems-1 , merozema@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Julia > > > > > > > > As a mother of a child with a disability myself I thought I would give you my take on this subject. > > > > > > > > > > > But most of all, when I look at her and others challenged with disabilities I think " What brave and noble souls, to come into this world like they have in order to raise us all. " To me, this is service in its highest form. > > > > > > > > > > Love and blessings > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " Julia " <jajahern@> > > > > Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:37:02 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > Re: past lives..? > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for the replies so far, I really appreciate your information, your opinion and your sharing. > > > > I would love to hear more ! > > > > Love Julia > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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