Failing upward into Grace

[Guest guest]

Chrism

 

 

 

You are my kind of teacher! I'm glad you are the way you are. One who has, and

continues to live life fully and still appreciates where each and every one of

us is coming from. To be honest, I always thought it was amusing to receive

marriage counseling from a celibate priest. And, I am SO happy to hear that to

become enlightened I don't have to give up my beloved rock and roll and blues

and jazz etc... a lthough I do surrender it

 

 

 

Blessings Wild Guru - Shakti really knew me when She led me to you!

 

Love,

 

Mary

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:25:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central

Failing upward into Grace - chrism

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nityananda is an Indian Guru renunciate who currently is under fire for

purportedly having sexual contact with a woman (!!!) against the rules of his

order. They call him a God Man and he is supposed to follow strict guidelines of

behavior. They are calling him corrupt etc not remembering the goodness he may

have brought into their lives. (sigh)

 

Let me clear about myself:

I am " not " a renunciate. I have had sex many times and may again if this is

given. I have tried too many drugs to list and have even touched money.(yes I

know its bad!) Sometimes I listen to rock and roll music and sometimes I go to

the movies. Sometimes I have popcorn!

 

I have been known to cuss and even got into some fights when I was younger. I

tried to get addicted to alcohol and cigarettes by drinking of the alcohol as

much as I could stand but the taste just did me in. For cigarettes I would cut

off the filters and even then to no avail I was not allowed to have these

addictions. I have had sex out of wedlock repeatedly.

 

I have had people disrobe in my presence as part of some teachings of tantra. I

have assisted nude people in different Kundalini techniques but not in person

though I would without a qualm.

 

I do not typically have sex with students but if it would help a person I would

though this hasnt come up as yet. I feel so separated from taboo due to the

Kundalini compelling me to just surrender and do as it gives for me to do.

Within the safety protocols always.

 

So this is who I am with regard to the taboos and rules of our society. I am

pure in my impurities! Kundalini has allowed me to clean up my life quite a bit

though. Now I just am as I am. The mission is to give Kundalini assistance to

those who may interested in it. - blessings all - I now throw myself at your

feet!(unless you have an non Kundalini induced hygiene issues) -lol! - chrism

 

Kundalini cares little for the rules of humans unless in some way the agenda of

the Kundalini is blocked by them and then she helps them come into balance.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the timely clarification! It was disheartening to hear about

Nithyananda. Wearing the orange robes declares himself as a renunciate, and

therefore deceived his followers knowingly! I thought he was enlightened and

beyond carnal desires. Anyway Satguru swami-g said it was shameful. And that

weighed heavy.

 

Now I'm in a mind spin about gurus etc. How is anybody going to find the path to

enlightenment when we can't figure out when we're being duped or not?

 

Dear Shakti, please make it REAL, may all the dust settle and the one bright

light shine through.

 

-=gale

 

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> Nityananda is an Indian Guru renunciate who currently is under fire for

purportedly having sexual contact with a woman (!!!) against the rules of his

order. They call him a God Man and he is supposed to follow strict guidelines of

behavior. They are calling him corrupt etc not remembering the goodness he may

have brought into their lives. (sigh)

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

 

 

 

Thank you for the timely clarification! It was disheartening to hear

about Nithyananda. Wearing the orange robes declares himself as a

renunciate, and therefore deceived his followers knowingly! I thought

he was enlightened and beyond carnal desires. Anyway Satguru swami-g

said it was shameful. And that weighed heavy.

 

Sri Ramana Maharashi, a beloved and wise non-dual teacher, guru and philospher,

and highly estimated in the eyes of his followers, says this about renunciation.

 

" One who renounces desires actually merges

in the world and expands his love to the

whole universe. Expansion of love and affection would be a far better

term for a true

devotee of God than renunciation, for one who renounces the immediate

ties actually

extends the bonds of affection and love to a wider world beyond the

borders of caste, creed and race. "

 

Perhaps, the deceived perception of Nithayanda's followers were more a

misunderstanding of the meaning of the concepts of enlightenment and

renunciation. In any case, a renunciate doesn't have followers, at least that is

my understanding of the word. It is the followers that choose to " follow " his

teachings or perceive him as such. Any shame Guru Swami-G wishes to project

onto the situation, is purely speculative and perhaps that is for her to look at

herself, or the followers she wishes to test.

 

At home, I have a book of Sri Ramana Maharashi teachings, placed lovingly on my

bookshelf, and I have gleaned many precious gems from his wisdom, time and time

again. I don't choose anyone to follow as a guru, but I truly respect the wisdom

of those gone before, as a loving service to humanity.

 

> How is anybody going to find the path to enlightenment when we can't

figure out when we're being duped or not?

 

Simply go with your heart! What else can any person do? I keep telling people

love is truly all there is, but nobody really listens to me. Love is already

here .. enlightenment is perhaps a long way away for me, so I choose love

instead, although it's a choice I guess.. I'm still looking at what love

actually IS. Perhaps it can be found in the simplicist of things, and perhaps it

can be found just right here.. in this moment.. without even needing to reach

for it.

 

Love to you,

Andrew.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Andrew,

I really haven't the faintest the protocols of Satgurus other than they have

lineages and rules etc. I have been told that it is harder to be a Satguru than

a pope, it is a very weighty thing, maybe that's the problem lol.

 

Yes, follow the path with heart, that's what Don Juan Mateus said too.

(Follow your Bliss by Joseph Campbell)

 

I think Papaji embodies love.

 

Enlightenment is an illusion, once you're enlightened there is no such silly

concept, lololol, for who is there to 'become' enlightened?

 

However, in my truth, while following certain teachings chasing after that

illusion of enlightenment, there have been glimpses that I don't believe would

have happened without the aide of the guru.

 

For instance one glimpse was that there is no 'me', that the me is an

illusion, and all that remained so jaw-droppingly obvious that it is

unbelievable that we cannot 'see' the truth always...that we are the truth and

everything else, it's all a projection, like a dream, all of it.

 

But how did that slip away? How does something so obvious, the truth slip

away?

 

-gale

 

, Andrew C <aindriu

wrote:

>

> Greetings,

>

>

>

> Thank you for the timely clarification! It was disheartening to hear

> about Nithyananda. Wearing the orange robes declares himself as a

> renunciate, and therefore deceived his followers knowingly! I thought

> he was enlightened and beyond carnal desires. Anyway Satguru swami-g

> said it was shameful. And that weighed heavy.

>

> Sri Ramana Maharashi, a beloved and wise non-dual teacher, guru and

philospher, and highly estimated in the eyes of his followers, says this about

renunciation.

>

> " One who renounces desires actually merges

> in the world and expands his love to the

> whole universe. Expansion of love and affection would be a far better

> term for a true

> devotee of God than renunciation, for one who renounces the immediate

> ties actually

> extends the bonds of affection and love to a wider world beyond the

> borders of caste, creed and race. "

>

> Perhaps, the deceived perception of Nithayanda's followers were more a

misunderstanding of the meaning of the concepts of enlightenment and

renunciation. In any case, a renunciate doesn't have followers, at least that is

my understanding of the word. It is the followers that choose to " follow " his

teachings or perceive him as such. Any shame Guru Swami-G wishes to project

onto the situation, is purely speculative and perhaps that is for her to look at

herself, or the followers she wishes to test.

>

> At home, I have a book of Sri Ramana Maharashi teachings, placed lovingly on

my bookshelf, and I have gleaned many precious gems from his wisdom, time and

time again. I don't choose anyone to follow as a guru, but I truly respect the

wisdom of those gone before, as a loving service to humanity.

>

> > How is anybody going to find the path to enlightenment when we can't

> figure out when we're being duped or not?

>

> Simply go with your heart! What else can any person do? I keep telling people

love is truly all there is, but nobody really listens to me. Love is already

here .. enlightenment is perhaps a long way away for me, so I choose love

instead, although it's a choice I guess.. I'm still looking at what love

actually IS. Perhaps it can be found in the simplicist of things, and perhaps it

can be found just right here.. in this moment.. without even needing to reach

for it.

>

> Love to you,

> Andrew.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gale,

 

No worries. Life living itself, finds itself in all kinds of sticky

circumstances lol, whether " one " wants to find themselves in it or not ... is

perhaps another point of reflection.

 

Not sure on the protocols of Satgurus, to be honest, but I'm sure it's both a

beautiful and stressful calling, that is held with great responsibility and

respect, and one that weighs heavily, and the image of Atlas holding the world

on his back certainly comes to mind. Although, hopefully Atlas is given a bit of

time off now and again by the other gods lol.

 

 

I like that ... follow the heart... That's why I like Rumi, he writes love poems

and expresses the path of Sufism as a path of love. Rumi and his Shaykh, Shams

is perhaps one of the most famous relationships of all time. Shaykhs are

spiritual masters, capable of interpretting dreams etc.. but I love all the

traditions, I think there is something to be learned in everything, and Gurus

are found in most traditions, with different duties and responsibilities which

is cool too.

 

I love Papaji too, one of Sri Ramana Maharashi's students. And speaking of

lineages, I recall Gangaji being one of Papaji's students. I actually have her

speaches " Diamond in Your Pocket " uploaded on my ipod, I listen to them from

time to time to relax. She has a really nice voice. My friend says she doesn't

give you anything to chew on, but she is certainly impressive and knows her

stuff. I love all these characters, much to learn from everyone!

 

I like what you said about enlightenment too! Spot on!

 

Love,

Andrew.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

elagmck <elagmck

 

Tue, 30 March, 2010 15:07:10

Re: Failing upward into Grace - chrism

 

 

Thanks for that Andrew,

I really haven't the faintest the protocols of Satgurus other than they have

lineages and rules etc. I have been told that it is harder to be a Satguru than

a pope, it is a very weighty thing, maybe that's the problem lol.

 

Yes, follow the path with heart, that's what Don Juan Mateus said too. (Follow

your Bliss by Joseph Campbell)

 

I think Papaji embodies love.

 

Enlightenment is an illusion, once you're enlightened there is no such silly

concept, lololol, for who is there to 'become' enlightened?

 

However, in my truth, while following certain teachings chasing after that

illusion of enlightenment, there have been glimpses that I don't believe would

have happened without the aide of the guru.

 

For instance one glimpse was that there is no 'me', that the me is an illusion,

and all that remained so jaw-droppingly obvious that it is unbelievable that we

cannot 'see' the truth always...that we are the truth and everything else, it's

all a projection, like a dream, all of it.

 

But how did that slip away? How does something so obvious, the truth slip away?

 

-gale

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Andrew C <aindriu >

wrote:

>

> Greetings,

>

>

>

> Thank you for the timely clarification! It was disheartening to hear

> about Nithyananda. Wearing the orange robes declares himself as a

> renunciate, and therefore deceived his followers knowingly! I thought

> he was enlightened and beyond carnal desires. Anyway Satguru swami-g

> said it was shameful. And that weighed heavy.

>

> Sri Ramana Maharashi, a beloved and wise non-dual teacher, guru and

philospher, and highly estimated in the eyes of his followers, says this about

renunciation.

>

> " One who renounces desires actually merges

> in the world and expands his love to the

> whole universe. Expansion of love and affection would be a far better

> term for a true

> devotee of God than renunciation, for one who renounces the immediate

> ties actually

> extends the bonds of affection and love to a wider world beyond the

> borders of caste, creed and race. "

>

> Perhaps, the deceived perception of Nithayanda's followers were more a

misunderstanding of the meaning of the concepts of enlightenment and

renunciation. In any case, a renunciate doesn't have followers, at least that is

my understanding of the word. It is the followers that choose to " follow " his

teachings or perceive him as such. Any shame Guru Swami-G wishes to project

onto the situation, is purely speculative and perhaps that is for her to look at

herself, or the followers she wishes to test.

>

> At home, I have a book of Sri Ramana Maharashi teachings, placed lovingly on

my bookshelf, and I have gleaned many precious gems from his wisdom, time and

time again. I don't choose anyone to follow as a guru, but I truly respect the

wisdom of those gone before, as a loving service to humanity.

>

> > How is anybody going to find the path to enlightenment when we can't

> figure out when we're being duped or not?

>

> Simply go with your heart! What else can any person do? I keep telling people

love is truly all there is, but nobody really listens to me. Love is already

here .. enlightenment is perhaps a long way away for me, so I choose love

instead, although it's a choice I guess.. I'm still looking at what love

actually IS. Perhaps it can be found in the simplicist of things, and perhaps it

can be found just right here.. in this moment.. without even needing to reach

for it.

>

> Love to you,

> Andrew.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Andrew,

Yes, Papaji! and Gangaji! Sometimes I wish sooo bad that Papaji was still in

a body that could be found and visited, lol. Here is the most beautiful

meditation with Papaji :