Need a suitable muhurtham for marriage

[M.R.Moorthi]

Respected learned members,

Namaskaram.

 

Please suggest suitable muhurtha day & time for marriage at Chennai for the following couple (Birth data given) during the Tamil Month "Thai"(Between 15th January,2011 and 12th February,2011).

Here the bride is little older than the groom.

 

BRIDE: 7th October,1978 /11-13 PM(23-13 hrs)/Chennai,Tamilnad

 

GROOM:18th May,1979 /2-48 AM/ Chennai

 

Look forward to the valuable guidance.

 

Regards,

 

M.R.Moorthi

[M.R.Moorthi]

Dear respected astrologers,

Pursuant to my posting on the 30th I state for information

 

Vakya panchang gives only one Muhurtha day on the 24th january 2010 as below.

 

Monday/Tamil month "Thai 10"/Krishna Panchami/utraphalguni/Siddha yogam/Muhurtha Lagna-kumbha(9to10-25 AM)

Blue Vastra dhanam.

 

Sun rise on 24th is at 6-39AM at Chennai. I hence find that either the Muhurtha Lagna or the TIme duration given could be wrong.

 

Invite well considered views on this Muhurtha day for the said couples.

 

Also invite suggestions on alternate muhurtha day during the period,if available.

 

Regards,

M.R.Moorthi

[Madhu17]

 

Respected learned members,

Namaskaram.

 

Please suggest suitable muhurtha day & time for marriage at Chennai for the following couple (Birth data given) during the Tamil Month "Thai"(Between 15th January,2011 and 12th February,2011).

Here the bride is little older than the groom.

 

BRIDE: 7th October,1978 /11-13 PM(23-13 hrs)/Chennai,Tamilnad

 

GROOM:18th May,1979 /2-48 AM/ Chennai

 

Look forward to the valuable guidance.

 

Regards,

 

M.R.Moorthi

[M.R.Moorthi]

 

Dear respected astrologers,

Pursuant to my posting on the 30th I state for information

 

Vakya panchang gives only one Muhurtha day on the 24th january 2010 as below.

 

Monday/Tamil month "Thai 10"/Krishna Panchami/utraphalguni/Siddha yogam/Muhurtha Lagna-kumbha(9to10-25 AM)

Blue Vastra dhanam.

 

Sun rise on 24th is at 6-39AM at Chennai. I hence find that either the Muhurtha Lagna or the TIme duration given could be wrong.

 

Invite well considered views on this Muhurtha day for the said couples.

 

Also invite suggestions on alternate muhurtha day during the period,if available.

 

Regards,

M.R.Moorthi

 

Respected astrologers & muhurtha experts,

 

Can any one throw some light on this muhurtha date?

 

I do not know whether respected V.K.Shridhar Ji,an expert on electional astrology, is part of this forum.

 

Regards,

M.R.Moorthi

[Anusha]

Respected Shri.V.K.Shridhar ji,Shri J.P.Sandhu Ji & Astrologers,

Panamas.

 

In my curiosity I was trying to locate a suitable Muhurtha day & time from the ones given in the Panchangs for the prospective couple posted by Shri.M.R.Moorthi ji.

 

I find that most of the panchangs have given only a few muhurtha days during the period from 15th January,2011 to 13th April,2011 as required by the party all with Lagna located in Kumbha rasi and non else..

 

The girl and the boy were born in the stars Jeshta-4 and Sravan-3 respectively.

 

With the limited option I have chosen a nearly suitable on

 

20/2/2011/ Sunday/

 

Star-Utraphalguni/ Krishna thrithiya/Amrutha yoga/Kumbha lagna-Kumbha Navamsa/

Time-6-55 to 7-05 AM/ Hora lord Sun/ Sun rise at Chennai- 6-33 Am.

 

There is view that the chosen Star Utraphalguni, 22 from the girl's birth star Jeshta is not auspicious one for the muhurtha purpose.

 

Will you please check and correct me on this selection?

 

Mr.Moorthi Ji I am just trying.Please wait till the stalwarts help find a suitable one.

 

Warm regards,

Anusha

[Anusha]

 

Respected learned members,

Namaskaram.

 

Please suggest suitable muhurtha day & time for marriage at Chennai for the following couple (Birth data given) during the Tamil Month "Thai"(Between 15th January,2011 and 12th February,2011).

Here the bride is little older than the groom.

 

BRIDE: 7th October,1978 /11-13 PM(23-13 hrs)/Chennai,Tamilnad

 

GROOM:18th May,1979 /2-48 AM/ Chennai

 

Look forward to the valuable guidance.

 

Regards,

 

M.R.Moorthi

 

 

 

Respected Shri.V.K.Shridhar ji,Shri J.P.Sandhu Ji & Astrologers,

Panamas.

 

In my curiosity I was trying to locate a suitable Muhurtha day & time from the ones given in the Panchangs for the prospective couple posted by Shri.M.R.Moorthi ji.

 

I find that most of the panchangs have given only a few muhurtha days during the period from 15th January,2011 to 13th April,2011 as required by the party all with Lagna located in Kumbha rasi and non else..

 

The girl and the boy were born in the stars Jeshta-4 and Sravan-3 respectively.

 

With the limited option I have chosen a nearly suitable on

 

20/2/2011/ Sunday/

 

Star-Utraphalguni/ Krishna thrithiya/Amrutha yoga/Kumbha lagna-Kumbha Navamsa/

Time-6-55 to 7-05 AM/ Hora lord Sun/ Sun rise at Chennai- 6-33 Am.

 

There is view that the chosen Star Utraphalguni, 22 from the girl's birth star Jeshta is not auspicious one for the muhurtha purpose.

 

Will you please check and correct me on this selection?

 

Mr.Moorthi Ji I am just trying.Please wait till the stalwarts help find a suitable one.

 

Warm regards,

Anusha

[sasisekaran_pti]

Hello Sow.Anusha,

 

Sorry for the intrusion. Should not be the 8th vacant in marriage muhurtha ? Moon in 8th is certainly bad.

 

 

sasisekaran

[Anusha]

 

Hello Sow.Anusha,

 

Sorry for the intrusion. Should not be the 8th vacant in marriage muhurtha ? Moon in 8th is certainly bad.

 

 

sasisekaran

 

Respected saisisekaran Ji,

Pranams.

I am greatly happy to hear from one whom I always regard with high esteem.

There is no reason to feel sorry.Welcome to criticise and correct me,a learner.

I greatly need support & encouragement from persons of your stature to learn

more & more,though not to a great extent but to some extent at least.I am sure

to have this benefit from you. Thank you very much.

 

Yes sir, I am aware that particularly 7L & 8 L should be vacant for marriage Muhurtham.

 

In this case I find the star of the day,Utraphalguni falls in a rasi that is 11th & 9th from the

girl's Star(Jeshta) and boy's star(Sravana) respectively but it is in the 8th from L with

Sat(Lag lord) aspected by Jupiter in 2L and I hence was of the opinion that this saves the

Moon & Lag lord.Here Venus in 10th also has the aspect of Jupiter.

Also Kumbha Navamsa has Venus in it with aspect of Jupiter from 7th Navamsa.

 

Now you have pointed out that Moon is not at all safe in 8L despite being aspected

by Jupiter.Further there is a view that the 22 star from the girl's is also not

suitable. Interestingly the said Day with Star Utraphalguni & Kumbha L is given in

Panchangams as Muhurtha day as stated by me in my last post.

 

As you have rightly guided me ,the said muhurtha is not suitable for the couple.

 

Alternatively can you please guide me on the other one below.

 

16th Feb,2011/ Wednesday/ Sukla Thriyodasi/Punarvasu-4 pada/

 

Time:7-11 to 7-21/ Kumbha Lagna-Kumbha Navamsa/

Sun Rise:Chennai-6-35 AM.

 

Here Vargothama Moon in 6L & Sat (L lord) in 8L aspected by Jupiter from 2L,Ketu in 5L

Venus&rahu in 10L, Sun/Mars in L & Mercury in 12L

 

Kumbha navamsa aspected by jupiter & Mercury but Ve in 8th.

 

Will Kunbha L/ Makara Navamsa do any better?

 

Your view please.

 

Is Full Moon day(Pournami Thithi) good for Marriage or Upanayanam?

 

Deep regards,

Anusha

[sasisekaran_pti]

Hello Sow.Anusha

 

Fundamentally the aspect or association of Jupiter brings in beneficence, blessings and protection.

But the Sages recommend that 8th should be vacant. Why did they not prefer a benefic there ?

Irrespective of the beneficence of the grahas, they preferred the 8th to be influenced by none

through occupation.

 

Shri.V.K.Shridar has done a wonderful work of collection of muhurtha principles from various

standard works. If some one could sit and do a software , it would be a great contribution

to the mankind.

 

Venus, the karaka for marriage should also be not affected during muhurtha of marriage.

Sage Parasara has given almost 50% of strength to Rasi, Navamsa and Shastiamsa. As you

already know, Navamsa known as Dharmamsa is important for marriage since the event brings

in Dharmapatni. The house of focus in Dharmamsa is 9. The twelfth to it is adharma.

In the muhurtha chosen by you on feb 16 has a deblitated venus in the house of 8th. The deblitation

here should not be considered that it would reduce its bad effects. The karaka Venus is without

dharmic strength. The event gets hit.

 

Left to me, choosing a muhurtha is very difficult. Since our intention is for the good , the more

we stick to the rules, the better it is.

 

I am not really aware if full moon is good for marriage. Thithi rules relationships. Full moon is a good

thithi.

 

sasisekaran.

[M.R.Moorthi]

Namaskaram with due respect to Shri Sasisekaran & Sow.Anusha.

 

My heartfelt thanks to you both for taking my posting on the need

of a marriage muhurtham.It is indeed heartening that Anushaji is trying to

find a suitable one with so much of consultations with expert astrologers like

Sasisekaranji.

 

One Pandit here is also of the view that both 16/2/11 or 16/3/11 are fine for this

prospective couple but he suggests 16/2/11 could be better than 16/3,as this

day falls on Ekadasi which is a fasting day for elders.

He is also of the opinion that on 16/2 Debilitated Venus in 8 th Kumbha navamsa

need not be serious,as Jupiter 9 navamsa will take care of any ill effect.

This only an information.

 

I learn from a friend that good murthams are very limited this year.

 

However your discussions are really very interesting & I am sure

to have one nearly ok.

 

Regards,

M.R.Moorthi

[Anusha]

 

Hello Sow.Anusha

 

Fundamentally the aspect or association of Jupiter brings in beneficence, blessings and protection.

But the Sages recommend that 8th should be vacant. Why did they not prefer a benefic there ?

Irrespective of the beneficence of the grahas, they preferred the 8th to be influenced by none

through occupation.

 

Shri.V.K.Shridar has done a wonderful work of collection of muhurtha principles from various

standard works. If some one could sit and do a software , it would be a great contribution

to the mankind.

 

Venus, the karaka for marriage should also be not affected during muhurtha of marriage.

Sage Parasara has given almost 50% of strength to Rasi, Navamsa and Shastiamsa. As you

already know, Navamsa known as Dharmamsa is important for marriage since the event brings

in Dharmapatni. The house of focus in Dharmamsa is 9. The twelfth to it is adharma.

In the muhurtha chosen by you on feb 16 has a deblitated venus in the house of 8th. The deblitation

here should not be considered that it would reduce its bad effects. The karaka Venus is without

dharmic strength. The event gets hit.

 

Left to me, choosing a muhurtha is very difficult. Since our intention is for the good , the more

we stick to the rules, the better it is.

 

I am not really aware if full moon is good for marriage. Thithi rules relationships. Full moon is a good

thithi.

 

sasisekaran.

 

Respected Sasisekaran Ji,

 

Pranams

 

Yes,you have immensely enlightened me with your very impressive

view.It will be really wonderful,if a software is produced based on the

extensive work on muhurtha by Shri. V.K.Shridhar for the benefit of

the society.I wish some expert on software comes forward to take

up this great task & service.God willing,I wish I find one to do the job.

Thank you very much.

 

With regard to debilitation of Venus in the 8 navamsa is there a Neechabhanga

by Jupiter,the lord of the 7th to the debilitation house,being in Kendra to

Moon in Cancer?

 

Yes,choosing a Muhurtha is truely a tough task & for the muhurtha to confer

its best it is indeed necessary to strictly adhere to the rules.

 

I think in this whole year,Vikruthi,particularly during the period asked by

Shri.Moorthi ji the planetary positions are not very conducive for a perfect

Muhurtha.Propably for this reason Ganitha panchagams have very very few

muhurtha for the whole year.

I am of the view that every muhurtha has its own glitches(visible & invisible),despite

the best one selected.In dire and desperate need of one I think some compromise

has to be struck,leaving the rest in the hands of the Almighty with full faith that He

always protects

 

Deep regards,

Anusha

[Anusha]

 

Hello Sow.Anusha

 

Fundamentally the aspect or association of Jupiter brings in beneficence, blessings and protection.

But the Sages recommend that 8th should be vacant. Why did they not prefer a benefic there ?

Irrespective of the beneficence of the grahas, they preferred the 8th to be influenced by none

through occupation.

 

Shri.V.K.Shridar has done a wonderful work of collection of muhurtha principles from various

standard works. If some one could sit and do a software , it would be a great contribution

to the mankind.

 

Venus, the karaka for marriage should also be not affected during muhurtha of marriage.

Sage Parasara has given almost 50% of strength to Rasi, Navamsa and Shastiamsa. As you

already know, Navamsa known as Dharmamsa is important for marriage since the event brings

in Dharmapatni. The house of focus in Dharmamsa is 9. The twelfth to it is adharma.

In the muhurtha chosen by you on feb 16 has a deblitated venus in the house of 8th. The deblitation

here should not be considered that it would reduce its bad effects. The karaka Venus is without

dharmic strength. The event gets hit.

 

Left to me, choosing a muhurtha is very difficult. Since our intention is for the good , the more

we stick to the rules, the better it is.

 

I am not really aware if full moon is good for marriage. Thithi rules relationships. Full moon is a good

thithi.

 

sasisekaran.

 

Respected Sasisekaran Ji,

 

Pranams

 

Yes,you have immensely enlightened me with your very impressive

view.It will be really wonderful,if a software is produced based on the

extensive work on muhurtha by Shri. V.K.Shridhar for the benefit of

the society.I wish some expert on software comes forward to take

up this great task & service.God willing,I wish I find one to do the job.

Thank you very much.

 

With regard to debilitation of Venus in the 8 navamsa is there a Neechabhanga

by Jupiter,the lord of the 7th to the debilitation house,being in Kendra to

Moon in Cancer?

 

Yes,choosing a Muhurtha is truely a tough task & for the muhurtha to confer

its best it is indeed necessary to strictly adhere to the rules.

 

I think in this whole year,Vikruthi,particularly during the period asked by

Shri.Moorthi ji the planetary positions are not very conducive for a perfect

Muhurtha.Propably for this reason Ganitha panchagams have very very few

muhurtha for the whole year.

I am of the view that every muhurtha has its own glitches(visible & invisible),despite

the best one selected.In dire and desperate need of one I think some compromise

has to be struck,leaving the rest in the hands of the Almighty with full faith that He

always protects

 

Deep regards,

Anusha

[sasisekaran_pti]

Dear Sow.Anusha

 

namaste

 

You said well that every muhurtha has its own 'glitches'.

 

Let me share my recent experience. Just four hrs prior to the launch

of GSLV rocket, I wrote to them saying that it would be disaster

based on muhurtha. They did not send me a reply. Though I expected

that, I came to know that a retired ISRO official who belives in

astrology went to a temple and did archana. He was expecting a

reward if the launch was successful. The launch would been a milestone

in the history of space technology if it had been successful.

The launch was on a pratama thithi, which according to muhurtha

should be avoid for travel. But a critic or a non believer would easily

counter saying " did all travels on that day became failure ?".

Certainly not. So where is the catch ?.. The travel that which

has more negatives will fail. So we must have a software that could

work based on a mathematical model and list out the bad travels in a day

strength wise.

 

 

I watched the launch live and just when I noticed the first deviation

of the rocket from its intended trajectory, I also noticed in the telecast

an official sitting before the terminal placing his hands on his head in despair.

These two scenes I observed during the telecast is still vivid in my memory.

The lagna was very close the saturn. Saturn, a vayu graha was in kanya , a prithivi sign.

Air is blocked by a raised land. Prithivi and Vayu are off opposite tattwas as fire and water are.

Analysis of the failure reported recently points the finger at the stoppage of fuel

( a block to the flow of fuel in fluid form).

 

The recent launch of PSLV also appeared to be bad , though not as

bad as the previous one. I once again wrote to them about it , but this

time my tone was less discouraging saying even if the launch was

successful, the project would not have its intended longevity.

I am not trying to sound negative, but we can only say what we could

infer from the knowledge we 'posses'. Hence I find the muhurtha

to be very intriguing and it needs lot of time and patience to follow

such events for years to conclude anything worthy.

 

Venus, a neecha will be lifted by jupiter only if the Lord intends.

As I do not have sufficient case studies to study the role of

saving graces ( like cancellation of neecha ) in muhurtha, I would

prefer to remain silent on your analysis based on cancellation.

To me a pollution is certainly a dirt, though one can filter it.

How far the filtering process could be successful is known only

to the Almighty.

 

sasisekaran.

[U.Sanjeeva Rao]

Sri Moorthy,

Do you want Muhurtha for Dt: 24-1-2010 or 24-1-2011 ? The second reply refers to 24-1-2010 (Vakya Panchangam) which is aleadygone.Pl clarify.

USR

[Anusha]

Respected electional astrology experts,

The following is a copy of the view by Srinadh Ji in Ancient Astrology site on the 7th house from Marriage Muhurtha Lagna(Posted there some time in 2009),sent to me by a friend for information.

Please enlighten the interested members with your valuable comments.

 

Planets in 7th of Marriage Muhurta Lagna

 

 

 

 

Marriage Muhurta Lagna – here after denoted as MML

Base Thoughts

Today I was reading Muhurta Chintamani of Rama Daivajna; a text written in Kashmir around AD 1600. This text on Muhurta is blessed with an excellent Sanskrit commentry with the name Piyushadhara written by Sri Govinda Jyotirvid. Muhurta Chintamani with Piyushadhara commentry is an excellent treasure on which a seeker of astrological knowledge can meditate upon for years. [The same is true for Brihat Daivajna Ranjana written by Rama Daivajna as well. Other two texts of the same class are Jyotir Nibanddha and Jaganmohana by Mukunda Daivajna Unfortunately I am yet to have a copy of these two ancient excellent texts; But I know that they are available.]

The quote I went through today reads –

Jamitram dwividham proktam garga galava gautamaiH

Tasmallagnacha chandracha Jamitram parivarjayet.

Meaning, The ancient scholars Garga, Galava and Gautama say that 7th house is of 2 type – one, 7th from Lagna & 2nd, 7th house from Moon. Because of this, planets in 7th (of MML) from both Lagna and Moon should be avoided.

 

First I thought a bit well about this quote due to the following facts -

· The quote refer to the name of some great sages viz. Garga, Galava and Gautama

· It provides us with a guideline such as ‘Any planet in 7th from Muhurta Lagna should be avoided.

But then on re-thought it revealed to me that it could be one of those misguiding quotes due to the following facts –

· Even though the above quote mentions the names of 3 ancient sages, none of the available quotes by the above sages (E.g. Garga) mention anything similar.

· The quote it self is a father-less/auther-less quote; a quote presented with the words ‘uktam cha’ (it is told that); who tells this? Which sage? There is no info!

· Too much importance to Muhurta is a Vedic and Medieval concept rather than an Ancient Non-Vedic concept. (Astrology as we know is an ancient non-vedic branch of knowledge)

· Malefic in 7th from Muhurta Lagna providing bad results is an understandable possibility; well supported by the standard result derivation concepts. But why Benefic in 7th from Muhurta Lagna should provide bad results?! What is the logic behind? It seems totally absurd.

I felt that I have encountered a misguiding quote, which pretends to be authentic. If this is true, then certainly there is something to study and discuss in this quote. With these basic thoughts, I decided to spend some time to analyze this concept of ‘Bad results attributed to ALL the planets from 7th of Muhurta Lagna’.

Analyze

The word ‘Jamitra’ indicate one who is ‘friend from birth’ or the ‘soul mate’; the compliment/soul mate to body (Lagna) and mind (Moon). This concept of ‘soul mate’ (The friend, pre-destined from birth itself) must have been pretty ancient concept as clear from the reference to the ancient sages.

Garga - Author of Garga Hora, Garga Samhita etc

Galava - Not much is known about the astrological contribution of this ancient sage

Gautama - Not much is known about the astrological contribution of this sage as well. Some believe that the name of Sage Kasyapa was Gautama.

This quote is curious not only because it refers to these ancient sages, but also because it tell us that ‘Even as per the ancient sages the presence of ANY planet (both benefic and malefic), in 7th from Lagna or Moon is inauspicious (for a Marriage Muhurta)’! Malefic in 7th considered as inauspicious is OK, but why benefic in 7th?! Is it a mistake or an intentional misinterpretation? Is there a solid logic behind or as illogical as attributing too much importance to Muhurtas? To answer this, we would have to go through the ancient classic quotes available on this and clarify what they say. I started my search -

In Support Of

As per Madhaveeya –

If malefic is present in 7th from Muhurta Lagna then death of husband results; If benefic is present in 7th from Muhurta Lagna then separation results.

As per Maheswara Acharya (from Muhurta Chintamani) -

Lagnat seetakarat graha dyunagata neshta vivahe smrita (Maheswara Acharya)

Planets in 7th house from MML is NOT good.

As per Vasishta Samhita -

Sarve Jamitra Samsta Vidadhati Maranam (Vasishta Samhita)

Any planet placed in 7th of Muhurta Lagna indicate untimely death.

Please note that, available Vasishta Samhita is NOT an ancient text, and follows Tropical Zodiac.

As per Mihira(?) -

Mihira in Vivaha patala of Brihat Samhita elaborates the bad results attributed to planets in 7th of MML as –

Sourara jeeva budha rahu raveendu sukraH

kuryuH prasahya khalu saptama rasi samsthaH

vaidhavya bandhana vadha kheya vittanasa-

vyadhi pravasa maranani yadha kremena

(from Vivaha patala of Brihat Samhita)

Meaning, the following results can be attributed to planets placed in 7th house of MML –

Saturn in 7th - Divorce/Death

Mars in 7th - Imprisonment

Jupiter in 7th - Murder/Death

Rahu in 7th - Loss of money

Sun in 7th - Disease

Moon in 7th - Life abroad (away from wife)

Venus in 7th - Death

Many scholars think that Vivaha patala was added to Brihat Samhita later and is NOT written by Mihira. In the above quote, apart from general though “ANY planet in 7th house from MML indicate bad results”, the above quote seems to over-state the results. Definitely the simple Muhurta CANNOT has this much important influence on future results. If the native’s chart indicates longevity, then simply because at the time of marriage the 7th house from lagna was occupied by Venus or so, predicting that he will have an untimely death is simply illogical. Attributing deadly strong results such as death to Muhurtas selected for simple events is nothing but an insult to true and sincere astrology. This nasty emphasis on strong results from simple general combinations and events is what makes astrology a trash mount with rare gems only.

In general the texts and acharyas who support this ‘Extra importance to Muhurta’ seems to be of Medieval or Vedic origin. The same seems to be true for the concept ‘All planets gives bad results in 7th of MML’ as well. The people who support this theory are Madhavacharya, Chandeswara, Mihira(?),Vasista Samhita author etc. The texts Madhaveeya, Prashna Chandeswara, Vivaha Patala, Vasishta Samhita etc are all of medieval origin.

This may not be the opinion of real ancient sages; this may not be the opinion of even the Garga, Galava and Gautama our original quote was referring. But how to prove this? How to prove that original logical opinion was that “Malefics in 7th of MML is Bad; and Benefics in 7th of MML is GOOD”? Of course we would have to provide some evidence – some sage quotes that mention exactly the same. Are such quotes available? Did the true ancient astrology able to survive the thunderstorm caused by the FAKE Muhurta theorists and specialist (most of whom are of vedic and tropical astrological followers and Brahmins)? Yes! In the next section, I will try provide some such quotes.

Against

Let us start from a quote of ancient scholar Bhujabala, provided in Muhurta Chintamani.

Chandrat Saptama Rasige dinakare tyekta dhanaiH kanyaka

Bhoume cha pramada prayati vilayam saurena vandhya saruk

JeevaH sukra sasankajau subhakaraH kechidvadanti kramat-

Bhartrir prepsita deekshitastabhavane nityam pravasanvita.

 

 

 

(BujabalaH, Muhurta Chintamani)

 

Meaning, if the 7th house from Moon sign at the time of marriage Muhurta is occupied by planets then the following results can be predicted –

Sun – loss of money to wife

Mars – death/loss of wife

Saturn – impotency to wife/disease

Jupiter, Venus, Moon – gives good results.

But as per others opinion, any of these planets (Ju, Ve, Mo) are present in 7th then, bound in sadness waiting for the husband in distant land could be the result.

 

The above quote and meaning seems to be unique as Acharya Bhujabala tells us that ascribing bad results to Benefics in 7th from MML is NOT his opinion but of others. Bhujabala is of the opinion that benefics like Ju, Ve, Mo in 7th of MML will give beneficial results.

Good that we have found at least one acharya who speaks logically. Actually Bhugabala is NOT alone – it is the opinion of ALL the ancient sages! For example Brihat Daivajna Ranjana provides us the following quote of Sage Atri –

Yamitrago yadi bhavedusana budho va

geervana natha sachivaH sitapaksha chandraH

Kanya vivaha samaye subhamamananti

Manv-atri-narada-vasishta-parasaradyaH

 

 

 

(Sage Atri, Brihat Daivajna Ranjana)

 

Meaning, if the 7th house from MML is occupied by any benefic planet such as Venus, Mercury, Jupiter or Waning Moon then great ancient sages like Manu, Atri, Narada, Vasishta and Parasara attributes good results for the same (and NOT bad results).

To emphasis this point, Rama Daivajna, the author of the great text called Brihat Daivajna Ranjana quotes the following sloka as well –

Manu-Sandhilya-Mandhavya-Bharadvaj-Atri-GautamaH

Yamitre tu prasamsantiH budhajeevosanaH subhaH

 

 

 

(Brihat Daivajna Ranjana)

 

Meaning, Sages like Manu, Sandhilya, Mandhavaya, Bharadvaja, Atri, Gautama are all of the opinion that ‘If benefic planets are present in 7th house from MML then benefic results should be predicted (and NOT bad results)”.

Earlier in the quote given at the beginning of this article we saw that, some unauthentic quotes by FAKE scholars tried to attribute the owner ship of the wrong argument “Benefic in 7th from MML gives bad results” to ancient and revered sages like Gautama, Garga etc. But the authentic quote of Atri and the quotes provided by Brihat Daivajna Ranjana reveal that it is not so; they clarify that almost all the sages such as Atri, Manu, Mandhavya, Parasara etc including Gautama is of the opinion that “Benefic in 7th from MML gives GOOD results”. The available quotes of Garga too prompts us to think that he too supports this opinion itself and not the first.

I feel that the 2nd opinion is better, logical, and supported by sages. The 1st opinion seems to be medieval origin and seems to depend on some fake quotes.

End Note

· The hardest task in astrology learning is to differentiate the worthy knowledge from the trash mount present.

· The hardest task at our hand is to save this beautiful knowledge branch astrology from the fake scholars; scholars who make instant theories in an effort to earn name, fame and money. To save astrology from the irresponsible fake masters who theorize without sincerity as if astrology is like instant coffee – a use and throw subject!

· The hardest task for us is to unlearn the trash learned and start again from the basics!

 

Since I have already provided you with the seed of a controversy, I stop here, expecting you all to take over.

Regards,

Anusha

[Anusha]

Respected experts on Electional Astrology & learned members,

 

Here below is a copy of the view posted by Sreenadh Ji in a different site,sent to

me by a friend, on the Marriage Muhurththa Lagna with planets in the 7th.

 

Kindly elighten the members with your valuable comments.

 

Kind regards,

Anusha

 

Planets in 7th of Marriage Muhurta Lagna

 

 

Marriage Muhurta Lagna – here after denoted as MML

 

 

Base Thoughts

Today I was reading Muhurta Chintamani of Rama Daivajna; a text written in Kashmir around AD 1600. This text on Muhurta is blessed with an excellent Sanskrit commentry with the name Piyushadhara written by Sri Govinda Jyotirvid. Muhurta Chintamani with Piyushadhara commentry is an excellent treasure on which a seeker of astrological knowledge can meditate upon for years. [The same is true for Brihat Daivajna Ranjana written by Rama Daivajna as well. Other two texts of the same class are Jyotir Nibanddha and Jaganmohana by Mukunda Daivajna Unfortunately I am yet to have a copy of these two ancient excellent texts; But I know that they are available.]

The quote I went through today reads –

Jamitram dwividham proktam garga galava gautamaiH

Tasmallagnacha chandracha Jamitram parivarjayet.

Meaning, The ancient scholars Garga, Galava and Gautama say that 7th house is of 2 type – one, 7th from Lagna & 2nd, 7th house from Moon. Because of this, planets in 7th (of MML) from both Lagna and Moon should be avoided.

First I thought a bit well about this quote due to the following facts -

· The quote refer to the name of some great sages viz. Garga, Galava and Gautama

· It provides us with a guideline such as ‘Any planet in 7th from Muhurta Lagna should be avoided.

But then on re-thought it revealed to me that it could be one of those misguiding quotes due to the following facts –

· Even though the above quote mentions the names of 3 ancient sages, none of the available quotes by the above sages (E.g. Garga) mention anything similar.

· The quote it self is a father-less/auther-less quote; a quote presented with the words ‘uktam cha’ (it is told that); who tells this? Which sage? There is no info!

· Too much importance to Muhurta is a Vedic and Medieval concept rather than an Ancient Non-Vedic concept. (Astrology as we know is an ancient non-vedic branch of knowledge)

· Malefic in 7th from Muhurta Lagna providing bad results is an understandable possibility; well supported by the standard result derivation concepts. But why Benefic in 7th from Muhurta Lagna should provide bad results?! What is the logic behind? It seems totally absurd.

I felt that I have encountered a misguiding quote, which pretends to be authentic. If this is true, then certainly there is something to study and discuss in this quote. With these basic thoughts, I decided to spend some time to analyze this concept of ‘Bad results attributed to ALL the planets from 7th of Muhurta Lagna’.

Analyze

The word ‘Jamitra’ indicate one who is ‘friend from birth’ or the ‘soul mate’; the compliment/soul mate to body (Lagna) and mind (Moon). This concept of ‘soul mate’ (The friend, pre-destined from birth itself) must have been pretty ancient concept as clear from the reference to the ancient sages.

Garga - Author of Garga Hora, Garga Samhita etc

Galava - Not much is known about the astrological contribution of this ancient sage

Gautama - Not much is known about the astrological contribution of this sage as well. Some believe that the name of Sage Kasyapa was Gautama.

This quote is curious not only because it refers to these ancient sages, but also because it tell us that ‘Even as per the ancient sages the presence of ANY planet (both benefic and malefic), in 7th from Lagna or Moon is inauspicious (for a Marriage Muhurta)’! Malefic in 7th considered as inauspicious is OK, but why benefic in 7th?! Is it a mistake or an intentional misinterpretation? Is there a solid logic behind or as illogical as attributing too much importance to Muhurtas? To answer this, we would have to go through the ancient classic quotes available on this and clarify what they say. I started my search -

In Support Of

As per Madhaveeya –

If malefic is present in 7th from Muhurta Lagna then death of husband results; If benefic is present in 7th from Muhurta Lagna then separation results.

As per Maheswara Acharya (from Muhurta Chintamani) -

Lagnat seetakarat graha dyunagata neshta vivahe smrita (Maheswara Acharya)

Planets in 7th house from MML is NOT good.

As per Vasishta Samhita -

Sarve Jamitra Samsta Vidadhati Maranam (Vasishta Samhita)

Any planet placed in 7th of Muhurta Lagna indicate untimely death.

Please note that, available Vasishta Samhita is NOT an ancient text, and follows Tropical Zodiac.

As per Mihira(?) -

Mihira in Vivaha patala of Brihat Samhita elaborates the bad results attributed to planets in 7th of MML as –

Sourara jeeva budha rahu raveendu sukraH

kuryuH prasahya khalu saptama rasi samsthaH

vaidhavya bandhana vadha kheya vittanasa-

vyadhi pravasa maranani yadha kremena

(from Vivaha patala of Brihat Samhita)

Meaning, the following results can be attributed to planets placed in 7th house of MML –

Saturn in 7th - Divorce/Death

Mars in 7th - Imprisonment

Jupiter in 7th - Murder/Death

Rahu in 7th - Loss of money

Sun in 7th - Disease

Moon in 7th - Life abroad (away from wife)

Venus in 7th - Death

Many scholars think that Vivaha patala was added to Brihat Samhita later and is NOT written by Mihira. In the above quote, apart from general though “ANY planet in 7th house from MML indicate bad results”, the above quote seems to over-state the results. Definitely the simple Muhurta CANNOT has this much important influence on future results. If the native’s chart indicates longevity, then simply because at the time of marriage the 7th house from lagna was occupied by Venus or so, predicting that he will have an untimely death is simply illogical. Attributing deadly strong results such as death to Muhurtas selected for simple events is nothing but an insult to true and sincere astrology. This nasty emphasis on strong results from simple general combinations and events is what makes astrology a trash mount with rare gems only.

In general the texts and acharyas who support this ‘Extra importance to Muhurta’ seems to be of Medieval or Vedic origin. The same seems to be true for the concept ‘All planets gives bad results in 7th of MML’ as well. The people who support this theory are Madhavacharya, Chandeswara, Mihira(?),Vasista Samhita author etc. The texts Madhaveeya, Prashna Chandeswara, Vivaha Patala, Vasishta Samhita etc are all of medieval origin.

This may not be the opinion of real ancient sages; this may not be the opinion of even the Garga, Galava and Gautama our original quote was referring. But how to prove this? How to prove that original logical opinion was that “Malefics in 7th of MML is Bad; and Benefics in 7th of MML is GOOD”? Of course we would have to provide some evidence – some sage quotes that mention exactly the same. Are such quotes available? Did the true ancient astrology able to survive the thunderstorm caused by the FAKE Muhurta theorists and specialist (most of whom are of vedic and tropical astrological followers and Brahmins)? Yes! In the next section, I will try provide some such quotes.

Against

Let us start from a quote of ancient scholar Bhujabala, provided in Muhurta Chintamani.

Chandrat Saptama Rasige dinakare tyekta dhanaiH kanyaka

Bhoume cha pramada prayati vilayam saurena vandhya saruk

JeevaH sukra sasankajau subhakaraH kechidvadanti kramat-

Bhartrir prepsita deekshitastabhavane nityam pravasanvita.

(BujabalaH, Muhurta Chintamani)

Meaning, if the 7th house from Moon sign at the time of marriage Muhurta is occupied by planets then the following results can be predicted –

Sun – loss of money to wife

Mars – death/loss of wife

Saturn – impotency to wife/disease

Jupiter, Venus, Moon – gives good results.

But as per others opinion, any of these planets (Ju, Ve, Mo) are present in 7th then, bound in sadness waiting for the husband in distant land could be the result.

The above quote and meaning seems to be unique as Acharya Bhujabala tells us that ascribing bad results to Benefics in 7th from MML is NOT his opinion but of others. Bhujabala is of the opinion that benefics like Ju, Ve, Mo in 7th of MML will give beneficial results.

Good that we have found at least one acharya who speaks logically. Actually Bhugabala is NOT alone – it is the opinion of ALL the ancient sages! For example Brihat Daivajna Ranjana provides us the following quote of Sage Atri –

Yamitrago yadi bhavedusana budho va

geervana natha sachivaH sitapaksha chandraH

Kanya vivaha samaye subhamamananti

Manv-atri-narada-vasishta-parasaradyaH

(Sage Atri, Brihat Daivajna Ranjana)

Meaning, if the 7th house from MML is occupied by any benefic planet such as Venus, Mercury, Jupiter or Waning Moon then great ancient sages like Manu, Atri, Narada, Vasishta and Parasara attributes good results for the same (and NOT bad results).

To emphasis this point, Rama Daivajna, the author of the great text called Brihat Daivajna Ranjana quotes the following sloka as well –

Manu-Sandhilya-Mandhavya-Bharadvaj-Atri-GautamaH

Yamitre tu prasamsantiH budhajeevosanaH subhaH

(Brihat Daivajna Ranjana)

Meaning, Sages like Manu, Sandhilya, Mandhavaya, Bharadvaja, Atri, Gautama are all of the opinion that ‘If benefic planets are present in 7th house from MML then benefic results should be predicted (and NOT bad results)”.

Earlier in the quote given at the beginning of this article we saw that, some unauthentic quotes by FAKE scholars tried to attribute the owner ship of the wrong argument “Benefic in 7th from MML gives bad results” to ancient and revered sages like Gautama, Garga etc. But the authentic quote of Atri and the quotes provided by Brihat Daivajna Ranjana reveal that it is not so; they clarify that almost all the sages such as Atri, Manu, Mandhavya, Parasara etc including Gautama is of the opinion that “Benefic in 7th from MML gives GOOD results”. The available quotes of Garga too prompts us to think that he too supports this opinion itself and not the first.

I feel that the 2nd opinion is better, logical, and supported by sages. The 1st opinion seems to be medieval origin and seems to depend on some fake quotes.

End Note

· The hardest task in astrology learning is to differentiate the worthy knowledge from the trash mount present.

· The hardest task at our hand is to save this beautiful knowledge branch astrology from the fake scholars; scholars who make instant theories in an effort to earn name, fame and money. To save astrology from the irresponsible fake masters who theorize without sincerity as if astrology is like instant coffee – a use and throw subject!

· The hardest task for us is to unlearn the trash learned and start again from the basics!

Since I have already provided you with the seed of a controversy, I stop here, expecting you all to take over.

[M.R.Moorthi]

 

Sri Moorthy,

Do you want Muhurtha for Dt: 24-1-2010 or 24-1-2011 ? The second reply refers to 24-1-2010 (Vakya Panchangam) which is aleadygone.Pl clarify.

USR

 

Respected USR Ji,

Pranams. In my second post it was a typographical error.Excuse me for the mistake.I meant the date 24-1-2011 only.Any suitable date between 15-1-2011 and 14-3-2011 for the couple will be

quite satisfactory.

I could view your posting only today,as there was delay in the site itself due to the reason posted by the moderator.

Best regards,

M.R.Moorthi

[U.Sanjeeva Rao]

Sri Moorthiji,

Your Vakya Panchangam pandits must have seen all the muhurthas and given 24-1-2011 as near best.I too verified that except saptama suddhi,it satisfies all the conditions.The time is 9.40 am to 10.25 am.

Regarding the effect of Moon and Saturn in 7th to Muhurtha lagna

1.They are not conjuct as they are away from each other by 15 degrees.No influence of Saturn on Moon.

2.They are in different star constallations.

3.5th lord in 7th is good for 7th house.Love bondage ,kith and kin attachment is more.

4.There is on spot aspect of Guru on Moon (near 180 degs) ,lagna lord in lagna on 5th lord Moon.Nice children and sincere love between couple.

6.Saturn being 11th and 12th lord is 50% good.So,before marriage some Shanti to Saturn is required.Fasting by couple on Saturday's with prayers to Lord Balaji helps.Visit to Balaji temple after marriage is good.

I think you can accept Vakya Panchanga,but within the time frame of 9.40 to 10.25 am.

Good luck to the couple.

USR

[Anusha]

 

Dear Sow.Anusha

 

namaste

 

You said well that every muhurtha has its own 'glitches'.

 

Let me share my recent experience. Just four hrs prior to the launch

of GSLV rocket, I wrote to them saying that it would be disaster

based on muhurtha. They did not send me a reply. Though I expected

that, I came to know that a retired ISRO official who belives in

astrology went to a temple and did archana. He was expecting a

reward if the launch was successful. The launch would been a milestone

in the history of space technology if it had been successful.

The launch was on a pratama thithi, which according to muhurtha

should be avoid for travel. But a critic or a non believer would easily

counter saying " did all travels on that day became failure ?".

Certainly not. So where is the catch ?.. The travel that which

has more negatives will fail. So we must have a software that could

work based on a mathematical model and list out the bad travels in a day

strength wise.

 

 

I watched the launch live and just when I noticed the first deviation

of the rocket from its intended trajectory, I also noticed in the telecast

an official sitting before the terminal placing his hands on his head in despair.

These two scenes I observed during the telecast is still vivid in my memory.

The lagna was very close the saturn. Saturn, a vayu graha was in kanya , a prithivi sign.

Air is blocked by a raised land. Prithivi and Vayu are off opposite tattwas as fire and water are.

Analysis of the failure reported recently points the finger at the stoppage of fuel

( a block to the flow of fuel in fluid form).

 

The recent launch of PSLV also appeared to be bad , though not as

bad as the previous one. I once again wrote to them about it , but this

time my tone was less discouraging saying even if the launch was

successful, the project would not have its intended longevity.

I am not trying to sound negative, but we can only say what we could

infer from the knowledge we 'posses'. Hence I find the muhurtha

to be very intriguing and it needs lot of time and patience to follow

such events for years to conclude anything worthy.

 

Venus, a neecha will be lifted by jupiter only if the Lord intends.

As I do not have sufficient case studies to study the role of

saving graces ( like cancellation of neecha ) in muhurtha, I would

prefer to remain silent on your analysis based on cancellation.

To me a pollution is certainly a dirt, though one can filter it.

How far the filtering process could be successful is known only

to the Almighty.

 

sasisekaran.

 

Respected Sasisekaran Ji, Pranams.The candid narration as viewed on TV of the launch of GSLV/PSLV & its failure/expected longevity with an astrlogical analysis for such an end result is quite interesting and a learning experience to persons like me.Success or otherwise of an activity is the net result of various effects,one of which involves planetary positions/Muhurtha during the activity that could have tremondous impact whatever be the strength of other effects.Astrology is one science while the other goes in to the design,development & launching of the space vehicle and if these two come & work together and make an integrated approach to achieve the intended goal with the right people,the end result,I am sure,could be mostly the one that earns laurals to the nation in general & to the people involved in particular.As rightly said,the task of finding a right Muhurtha for a specific activity is as tough as the one that goes to perfecting a space vehicle to make it achieve its intended purpose and no doubt a relevant software to aid the task will do wonders.

 

Sir,one doubt for clarification.Yes, Fire & water are opposite tatwas but can Prithvi with lives on it exist without Vayu which is indispensable for the lives to sustain?

 

Deep regards,

Anusha

[M.R.Moorthi]

 

Sri Moorthiji,

Your Vakya Panchangam pandits must have seen all the muhurthas and given 24-1-2011 as near best.I too verified that except saptama suddhi,it satisfies all the conditions.The time is 9.40 am to 10.25 am.

Regarding the effect of Moon and Saturn in 7th to Muhurtha lagna

1.They are not conjuct as they are away from each other by 15 degrees.No influence of Saturn on Moon.

2.They are in different star constallations.

3.5th lord in 7th is good for 7th house.Love bondage ,kith and kin attachment is more.

4.There is on spot aspect of Guru on Moon (near 180 degs) ,lagna lord in lagna on 5th lord Moon.Nice children and sincere love between couple.

6.Saturn being 11th and 12th lord is 50% good.So,before marriage some Shanti to Saturn is required.Fasting by couple on Saturday's with prayers to Lord Balaji helps.Visit to Balaji temple after marriage is good.

I think you can accept Vakya Panchanga,but within the time frame of 9.40 to 10.25 am.

Good luck to the couple.

USR

 

Dear USR Ji, Pranams

 

My sincere thanks to your analysis & suggestions.I have take note of

all.

In addition to 24-1-2011 another alternative suggested is 16-2-2011/Kumbha

lagna/Punarvasu star-4th/Sukla thriyodasi/Wednesday.

 

Will you please kindly check this also can be taken as an alternative for the

convenience of the bride?

 

My kind regards,

M.R.Moorthi

[U.Sanjeeva Rao]

Dear Moorthiji,

16-2-2011 in the early Hrs aroung 7.30 am for marriage has some disadvantages and advantages.

Advantages:- Month ,tidhi,Star (OK for both),Jamitra or Saptama Suddhi is present.Kumbha lagna is generally accepted by many but some say Midhuna,Kanya,Tula ,2nd half of Dhanur are best.saturn in 8th is good.

Disadvantage points:- presence of Sun,Mars in lagna;Ketu in 5th,Moon in 6th (may be in his own house or vargottam).

Sun,Mars and Moon placement generally indicate danger to both and shortens their marital life.

May be some other date can be chosen.

With best wishes,

USR

[Raghavan123]

Respected Astrologers,

 

May I request your help whether 19-JUN-2011 or 20-JUN-2011 is good for marriage of the following to be held in Chennai?

 

Bride-DOB-16-SEP-1988 /10.55PM at Chennai

Groom-24-JAN-1983/03.44AM/at Madurai

 

Appreciate your help.

Kind Regards

Raghavan

[U.Sanjeeva Rao]

Sri Raghavan,

The month is Ashada .It is termed as Sunya Masa. Generally marriages are not celebrated in this month.If by neccessity if you prefer, the best time is midnight 00-1.30 am on 20-6-2011.(Early hrs of Monday).

Some shanti puja to Shani and Rahu be done before the couple occupy the dais.

Wish them good luck,

USR

[Raghavan123]

Respected Astrologers,

 

Could you please help with my request for Muhurtha date?

 

Thank you very much.

Kind Regards

Raghavan

[M.R.Moorthi]

 

Dear Moorthiji,

16-2-2011 in the early Hrs aroung 7.30 am for marriage has some disadvantages and advantages.

Advantages:- Month ,tidhi,Star (OK for both),Jamitra or Saptama Suddhi is present.Kumbha lagna is generally accepted by many but some say Midhuna,Kanya,Tula ,2nd half of Dhanur are best.saturn in 8th is good.

 

Disadvantage points:- presence of Sun,Mars in lagna;Ketu in 5th,Moon in 6th (may be in his own house or vargottam).

Sun,Mars and Moon placement generally indicate danger to both and shortens their marital life.

May be some other date can be chosen.

With best wishes,

USR

 

Respected USR Ji,

 

Pranams, Excuse me for the delay.As I was otherwise busy,I could check your advice just now.Thank you very much.I will look for other suitable dates,as suggested.

 

Another view is that on the given day(16.2.2011) and time(7-11 to 7-31 AM) while Jupiter in 2L(Pisces) takes care of Moon in 6L & Lagna lord in 8L with saptama sudhdhi,Navamsa takes care to check the L & Venus 8 navamsa and also suggests Ganapthi Homa & Navagraha Shanthi Homa before the muhurththa.

 

However I will check whether any other suitable day is available.

 

Kind regards,

M.R.Moorthi