A Question Of Authority

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"So, when you change, then the authority is lost. Just like in our society, sometimes they do something nonsense and they say, 'Prabhupada said.' (laughter) They are doing that. We know that. It is deteriorated like that.

 

Therefore Krsna said, sa kaleneha mahata yogo nastah kaunteya: 'And in due course of time, this yoga was lost. Therefore I am repeating the same thing, old philosophy to you.' So it requires like that." (750509rc.per Conversations)

 

There is currently something of a controversy over the changing of "The Blessed Lord" to "The Supreme Personality of Godhead" in Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is." However, the real issue is not of one particular change. The entire book has been "revised and enlarged" by Jayadvaita Swami. He has changed more than 70% of the purports and translations. Many of his changes significantly alter the meaning of the text in the original book which was read daily by Srila Prabhupada without any complaints.

 

The original "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" was clearly considered quite satisfactory by Srila Prabhupada. With the exception of "cattle raising" he did not request any changes.

 

The unabridged edition was published in 1968 and it clearly says "The Blessed Lord" and Srila Prabhupada reads it himself many times on folio and hears it read by devotees so many times, but he never says it should be changed. If he wanted to change it he had nine whole years to request the change. If he wanted it changed he could have easily asked the devotees to change it before 1972 when the unabridged edition was printed. But Srila Prabhupada did not request anyone to change it.

 

"Vrndavana dasa Thakura has previously elaborately described this. That which is clear need not be scrutinized for good qualities and faults." (Adi 16.26)

 

The issue is not if a particular change is good or bad. The issue is AUTHORITY. Jayadvaita Swami quite openly admits he has no AUTHORITY to make the changes:

 

"To my knowledge, SRILA PRABHUPADA NEVER ASKED US TO RE-EDIT THE BOOK.

 

"As you know, and as we kept in mind while doing the work, SRILA PRABHUPADA STAUNCHLY OPPOSED NEEDLESS CHANGES." (Jayadvaita Swami's Letter to Amogha Lila 1986)

 

Jayadvaita Swami has the audacity to say this after making more than five thousand [mostly completely needless] changes to the book!

 

"Comparing each verse in the book with the text of the manuscript, I made only those changes that TO ME SEEMED WORTHWHILE. I tried to be conservative and not make needless changes. At the same time, I kept in mind that whatever changes we are to make we should make now, so that the book will never need to be revised again."

 

It's very important to note that the more than five thousand changes made to Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is," the most important book in the world, are "Only those changes that seem worthwhile to Jayadvaita Swami..."

 

The "International Society for Krishna Consciousness" has put everything into the hands of Jayadvaita Swami? Whatever he wants to change in Srila Prabhupada's books, that's fine... And he has changed so much...

 

It's not a question of arguing a particular change is good or bad. ANY unauthorized change destroys the AUTHORITY of the book.

 

As we have said over and over, if the BBT had simply corrected the real typos in the English and Sanskrit there would not have been a problem. We are not talking of the sort of typographical errors a proof-reader would find. The really serious changes are the ones where the philosophy is changed or watered-down in the new version of the Bhagavad-gita. There are many such changes:

 

"On the other hand, he who controls the senses by the mind and engages his active organs in works of devotion, without attachment, is by far superior." (Original Bg. 3.7)

 

"On the other hand, if a sincere person tries to control the active senses by the mind and begins karma yoga [in Krsna consciousness] without attachment, he is by far superior." (Revised & Enlarged Bg. 3.7)

 

So one does not have to be a great scholar to notice "contoling the senses by the mind and engaging in works of devotion" is NOT NOT NOT the same as "TRYING to control the senses and beginning karma yoga??" Do we no longer have to control our senses and engage in works of devotion? Is is enough to just TRY to control our senses??

 

There are SO many changes like this. You can see the book changes web page for more. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8403/

 

"I must admit my frailties in presenting Srimad-Bhagavatam, but still I am hopeful of its good reception by the thinkers and leaders of society on the strength of the following statement of Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.5.11):

 

"On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the pastimes of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc. of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world's misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest." (Srimad-Bhagavatam Introduction)

 

Srila Prabhupada: No. If one's mind is perfect, he may give a meaning, but, according to our conviction, if one is perfect, why should he try to change the word of God? And if one is imperfect, what is the value of his change? [note: in Bhagavad-gita 3.7 as mentioned above and in so many other cases Jayadvaita Swami has changed the translation of the words of God as accepted by Srila Prabhupada to one he considers "more correct..."]

 

Disciple: Aquinas doesn't say "change."

 

Srila Prabhupada: Interpretation means change. If man is imperfect, how can he change the words of God? If the words can be changed, they are not perfect. So there will be doubt whether the words are spoken by God or by an imperfect person.

 

Disciple: The many different Protestant faiths resulted from such individual interpretation. It's surprising to find this viewpoint in Aquinas.

 

Srila Prabhupada: AS SOON AS YOU INTERPRET OR CHANGE THE SCRIPTURE, THE SCRIPTURE LOSES ITS AUTHORITY. Then another man will come and interpret things in his own way. Another will come and then another, and in this way the original purport of the scripture is lost.

 

Jayadvaita Swami is just the beginning. He will be gone and another chief editor of the BBT will change Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" again, of course he will, like Jayadvaita, only make the changes that seem worthwhile to him... BUT THE ORIGINAL PURPORT OF THE SCRIPTURE IS LOST by such changes.

 

We have already seen this happen with "Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers." Jayadvaita Swami edited it in 1978 and in 1993 the BBT had "Sita devi dasi?" re-edit it to remove the things ISKCON didn't like about Srila Prabhupada's preaching in PQPA...

 

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8403/pqpac.html

 

Jayadvaita explains in regard to his Bhagavad-gita changes: "For this second edition, however, Srila Prabhupada's disciples had the benefit of having worked with his books for the last fifteen years. The English editors were familiar with his philosophy and language, and the Sanskrit editors were by now accomplished scholars. AND NOW THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE THEIR WAY THROUGH PERPLEXITIES IN THE MANUSCRIPT BY CONSULTING THE SAME SANSKRIT COMMENTARIES SRILA PRABHUPADA CONSULTED WHEN WRITING BHAGAVAD-GITA AS IT IS... in places [srila Prabhupada's] translations, ALTHOUGH ALREADY CORRECT, HAVE BEEN REVISED to come closer to the original Sanskrit... (Note About the Second Edition p. 866 of the "Revised and Enlarged Edition, 1983 printing. This note has been removed from subsequent printings!)

 

"I am also practically finding that if any of our students artificially try to become scholars by associating with unwanted persons they become victimized, for a little learning is dangerous, especially for the Westerners. I am practically seeing that as soon as they begin to learn a little Sanskrit immediately they feel that they have become more than their guru and then the policy is kill guru and be killed himself." (76-09-18 Letter: Dixit)

 

Yasoda-nandana: In the Gurukula we were teaching Isopanisad class to the children. So we took... (break) ...Prabhupada and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is not so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They're changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.

 

Prabhupada: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on?... And Ramesvara is indulging this. The great rascal is that Jagannatha? He's there in Los Angeles... Jagannatha-suta... And the one rascal is gone.

 

Tamala Krsna: Nitai.

 

Prabhupada: It is starting. What can I do? These cannot... These rascals cannot be educated. Dangerous. Little learning, dangerous. So how to correct? The leader of these dangerous--Radha-vallabha. Hm. He's a dangerous, who maintains these rascal with this work. He'll always have questions and alteration. That is his business. That is American business.

 

They take that always. What can I do? Ultimate, it goes for editorial. They make changes, such changes...

 

Prabhupada: So how to check this? How to stop this?...

 

Prabhupada: BUT THEY ARE DOING WITHOUT ANY AUTHORITY...

 

Prabhupada: Very serious feature. It is not possible for me to check, and they are doing all nonsense, freedom. (pause)

 

Yasoda-nandana: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

 

Prabhupada: What to do?

 

Prabhupada: ...Now do the needful. OTHERWISE EVERYTHING WILL BE SPOILED.

 

These rascal editorial... That Easy Journey, original, this (indistinct) Hayagriva has changed so many things.

 

Tamala Krsna: He actually took out the whole part about their going to the moon being childish. He deleted the whole section.

 

Yasoda-nandana: Also in the Bhagavatam, where Prabhupada was talking about Lord Buddha... You mentioned that if the followers of Lord Buddha do not close the slaughterhouse, there is no meaning to such a caricature. That word was very nice. But in new book that word is not there any more. They have pulled the word. The meaning of the word is not... So many times.

 

Prabhupada: It is very serious situation. Ramesvara is in direct...

 

Yasoda-nandana: Sometimes they appeal that "We can make better English," so they change like that, just like in the case of Isopanisad. There are over a hundred changes. So where is the need? Your words are sufficient. The potency is there. When they change, it is something else.

 

Svarupa Damodara: That's actually a very dangerous mentality.

 

Yasoda-nandana: What is it going to be in five years? It's going to be a different book.

 

Prabhupada: So you... What you are going... It is very serious situation.

 

You write one letter that "Why you have made so many changes?" And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarupa that "This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim." THE NEXT PRINTING SHOULD BE AGAIN TO THE ORIGINAL WAY...

 

Prabhupada: So write them immediately that "THE RASCAL EDITORS, THEY ARE DOING HAVOC, and they are being maintained by Ramesvara and party..."

 

Prabhupada: So what to do?

 

Prabhupada: So you bring this to Satsvarupa. THEY CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING!

 

Tamala Krsna: (indistinct)

 

Prabhupada: So on the whole, these dangerous things are going on. How to check it?

 

Prabhupada: So they are doing very freely and dangerously. And this rascal is always after change, Radha-vallabha. He's a great rascal. (770622rc.vrn )

 

[For clarity I have removed quite a bit from the above conversation but you can read the whole thing on folio. All the way through this discussion Tamal Krsna Maharaja is trying to get Srila Prabhupada to agree to Jayadvaita Swami going through and re-editing all the books, but Srila Prabhupada just says "Hm." and goes on to say "The next printing should be to the original way... They cannot change anything!"]

 

So ISKCON'S new Bhagavad-gita including the more than five thousand changes that "seem worthwhile" to Jayadvaita Swami has absolutely no AUTHORITY and is completely useless. Let us read the book Srila Prabhupada himself read from daily and had no complaints with...

 

"Vrndavana dasa Thakura has previously elaborately described this. That which is clear need not be scrutinized for good qualities and faults." (Adi 16.26)

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

 

Your servant

 

Madhudvisa dasa

 

SB 4.20.17

One should accept the instructions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead by bowing down at the lotus feet of the Lord. This means that anything spoken by the Personality of Godhead should be taken as it is, with great care and attention and with great respect. It is not our business to amend the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or make additions or alterations, as it has become a custom for many so-called scholars and svamis who comment on the words of Bhagavad-gita. Here the practical example of how to accept the instruction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is shown by Prthu Maharaja. This is the way to receive knowledge through the parampara system.

 

67-02-10 Letter: Kirtanananda

Regarding your editing, I would very much like it. I am sending my lecture copies to you. I think my other copies are lying on the left side of my seat in a cardboard box which please find out. Please be careful not to change the ideas.

 

68-01-22 Letter: Satsvarupa

Brahmananda & others cannot change the style. They want to see if there is any grammatical discrepancy.

 

70-02-15 Letter: Satsvarupa

I have sent a few tapes to Bhagavan das. He sends to you his edited copies and they may be made final. I want two editings only, just to see if there is any grammatical or spelling mistake. Your present program of two editions first by yourself and then by Jayadvaita is a nice arrangement.

 

Jayadvaita has good knowledge.

 

70-04-28 Letter: Pradyumna Please accept my blessings. I have just received the blueprint copy of KRSNA, the Reservoir of Pleasure and I have begun to read it through. But I notice that there are some points you should correct before the final printing. I have already noted you the injunction that you should change the pretipadika artha to first case ending instead. Sannyasin should be printed Sannyasi, etc. So please correct these.

 

70-04-28 Letter: Pradyumna

Another point is that there are some errors in the English also. On page 2 it should read ". . . decided to kill his sister, Devaki." but it has become sisters, plural. Then, what does it mean?: "The Lord's compromise was that He had Vasudeva propose . . ." This does not seem to be very clear or at least it is very awkward expression. So please see that the editors make a very careful final proofreading before printing the final copies.

 

71-03-17 Letter: Jayadvaita

I have dictated the missing purports from Chapter IX and they are set enclosed herewith. So far changing the working of verse or purport of 12:12 discussed before, it may remain as it is.

 

74-10-24 Letter: Frederico:

Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated October 3, 1974 and have noted the contents. I am very glad to learn that you are translating the Bhagavad-gita As It Is into Portuguese. Be careful not to change anything but present it exactly as it is. This is how we receive Bhagavad-gita through the disciplic succession as stated in the Fourth Chapter. By this translating work you will learn our philosophy very nicely. It is very important to broadcast Krishna consciousness all over the world. This is the great need of modern civilization.

 

74-10-31 Letter: Hrdayananda:

I am glad to note the publishing work you are doing, and I look forward to receiving the books printed. I am pleased that you are personally seeing to the translation how it is done. Actually these books are the foundation stone of our movement. Whatever we are is resting on these books, so far reading them and distributing them. This should be our only motto.

 

74-11-14 Letter: Hamsaduta

Regarding publishing the Life from Life in English it should be grammatically correct because it is written book. Yes, it will be very good if you publish a book of lectures. Regarding going to New York, oh yes, certainly you can go. I have telegramed Bali Mardan to come here but not yet received any reply.

 

76-01-05 Letter: Radhavallabha

I will have to see personally what are the mistakes in the synonyms and also how you intend to correct them. I was not satisfied with the corrections that were made before. I saw some changes which I did no approve. Nitai may correct whatever mistakes are there, but the corrected material must be sent to me for final approval. So reprinting the volumes will have to wait until the mistakes are corrected and approved by me. In the meantime you can supply the standing orders whatever new volumes are published.

 

76-05-04 Letter: Radhavallabha

Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated April 22, 1976, and I have noted the contents with care. Yes, there is no need for corrections for the first and second Cantos. Whatever is there is alright. Once Pradyumna comes to join me here from India, then there will be no need for Nitai das or Jagannatha das to edit the Srimad-Bhagavatam.

 

76-05-29 Letter: Bhargava

Concerning the Bhagavat darsana cover, this Hindi on the back is not good. Who is translating this? Also, the address on the back of our Vrindaban Temple is not correctly spelled. It has been spelled Chattakara Road; But it should be Chattikara Road. Who is proof-reading?

 

76-08-26 Letter: Radhavallabha

You may title this book, Teachings of Lord Kapila, but it must be subtitled, "The Son of Devahuti". That will remain, do not try to change it. The Americans may like it or not like it, but we must make the distinction between devahuti putra kapila, and the atheistic Kapila. Do not try to change anything without my permission.

 

76-09-07 Letter: Radhavallabha

Titling of the Ninth Canto as Liberation is good, and the Tenth Canto should be called "The Summum Bonum". As far as the 11th and 12th Cantos are concerned they shall be named when they are presented. The title which you have given to the Eighth Canto was a little hard to understand at first but if it refers to pralaya, then it is alright. You must consult with me on such matters. Do not manufacture anything.

 

76-09-28 Letter: Gopiparanadhana

Please accept my blessings. With reference to your letter to Harikesa dated 21st inst., regarding the purport, 2nd paragraph to Bhagavatam 2.2.38, it is clear. Do not try to change anything.

 

77-03-31 Letter: Lilavati

Our literature is not sentimental stories. It is meant to be understood by the intelligent class of men. Children and those with child-like mentalities will do better to chant "Hare Krishna" and take prasadam. We cannot water down the philosophy to make it more palatable. Our books must remain as they are. Do not waste your time anymore with such attempts. We are not going to publish it. Whatever books we have got, let them try to understand, and if they cannot then let them chant "Hare Krishna" and take prasadam.

 

77-04-18 Letter: Ranadhira

Please accept my blessings. I beg to thank you for your letter dated April 8th, 1977 along with the enclosed review from "Choice." The review is very remarkable considering the importance of the journal, and I thank you very much for securing it. You have written: "We are all eager for the day when your books are recognized as the greatest masterpieces of all. We are all eager for the day when your books are the most demanded works in the library. We are sure that day is not far away." Yes, Krsna will fulfill your desire. Actually it is so. But because they are fools and rascals it will take some time. Regarding the error which the critic has noted about the location of Tirupati, I did not say so. It should be corrected.

 

750309rc.lon Conversations

Prabhupada: That I do not know, but the remedy is there. If you like, you can take it. If a man is suffering from some disease, the remedy is there, the physician is there, but if he does not take advantage, then that is his business. What can be done? This is very nice... Every Bhagavata, every line is so important.

 

761026rc.vrn Conversations

Hari-sauri: You said, "Please be informed that Nitai has become a venomous serpent."

 

Prabhupada: So this has been sent? (laughs)

 

Hari-sauri: Yes, to the GBC.

 

Devotee: Yogananda asked how many pages, when he heard about the newsletter. He thought that you spoke so long about that. And I just said, "Just two lines." But they never asked me what the letter said.

 

Prabhupada: Yes, two lines is sufficient.

 

Dhananjaya: Punar musaka bhava. Punar musaka bhava.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. This is exactly the same case. Punar musaka bhava, you know the whole story? A musaka, a mouse, was made a tiger, and the tiger wanted to eat the saintly person who made him. First of all he was mouse.

 

So he came to the saintly person. "Sir, I am troubled. Give me some benediction.What do you want?Now, the cat always chases.All right, you become cat so that you'll not be attacked." Then after some time he came. "I am being chased by the dog.All right, you become a dog." From cat to dog, from mouse to... Then again he came. "Still, they are chasing me. Fox." And then in this way, and ultimately he made a tiger. And after becoming a tiger, he began to look, staring on the... "What do you mean by this?I shall eat you.Oh? You become again a mouse." (laughter) Again he became mouse. That's all.

 

Hari-sauri: The perfect example.

 

Devotee: Now he looks like dirty. You know, like brown. The dhoti's not white. It's like brownish.

 

Prabhupada: He harassed. "He has not increased my..." Hearing and hearing, he wants to go. So why not, if he found some real disciplic succession, some babaji, why he did not remain there? He is criticizing that our is not in the proper succession. So why he did not remain where he found the proper succession? Why he's sometimes in Vrndavana, sometimes Delhi, sometimes here. Why he is loitering? Crazy. Unfortunate. Unnecessarily picking out some trouble.

 

Hari-sauri: Faultfinding.

 

Prabhupada: The babajis, they are against anything preaching. They are very, very much against preaching. So I am preaching. Babajis, the Mayavadi sannyasis, and all of them, their idea is that I am ruining this bhajana and Hindu dharma. This is the propaganda. What I am writing, they are all wrong. And they are making... And they try to poison my disciples as far as possible so that the whole institution may be poisoned and break. This is their propaganda.

 

Hari-sauri: That was one thing that Nitai put in his letter, that the teachings of ISKCON are completely opposite or contradictory to what is actually in the sastra.

 

Prabhupada: Now he has become tiger. He wants to kill that philosophy. When he did not know anything he came to us. Now he has become learned, he wants to criticize. The same philosophy. "You have made me tiger, now I can see you are my eatable." (laughs) He could not find out any other eatable. "I shall eat you." The rascal. What can be done? (end)

 

HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada