GITA verse 4:6 and 4:7~Please explain.

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Reincarnation means FUSION OF BRAHMAN into a body form. LORD KRSNA if comes back alive is NOT SUPPOSED TO COME BACK IN THE SAME BODY FORM, according to the principle of MOKHA. WHY? LORD KRSNA is already in MOKSHA 24/7 or all the time.

 

I read BHAGHAVAD GITA as IT IS and I am confused where it said LORD KRSNA comes back in same body form! That is wrong. It must be a translation done by a christian, who deliberately put that in to confuse hindus.

 

LORD KRSNA and CHRIST are NOT ONE and the SAME. LORD KRSNA was NOT tortured or put thru slavery or made to bear a cross all over the town or cruelly persecuted or killed atrociously on purpose by that Hunter in Jungle. Also when LORD KRSNA dies LORD KRSNA was almost 80 some years old or 80 x10,000= 8,000,000 millin years old in BRAHMA's calendar or time line.

 

Please explain those 2 verses for me. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Dear Guest, please allow me to post the verses and purports by our beloved spiritual master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada.

 

TEXT 6

 

ajo ’pi sann avyayätmä

bhütänäm éçvaro ’pi san

prakåtià sväm adhiñöhäya

sambhavämy ätma-mäyayä

 

ajaù—unborn; api—although; san—being so; avyaya—without deterioration; ätmä—body; bhütänäm—all those who are born; éçvaraù—the Supreme Lord; api—although; san—being so; prakåtim—transcendental form; sväm—of Myself; adhiñöhäya—being so situated; sambhavämi—I do incarnate; ätma-mäyayä—by My internal energy.

 

TRANSLATION

Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I am the Lord of all sentient beings, I still appear in every millennium in My original transcendental form.

 

PURPORT

The Lord has spoken about the peculiarity of His birth: although He may appear like an ordinary person, He remembers everything of His many, many past "births," whereas a common man cannot remember what he has done even a few hours before. If someone is asked what he did exactly at the same time one day earlier, it would be very difficult for a common man to answer immediately. He would surely have to dredge his memory to recall what he was doing exactly at the same time one day before. And yet, men often dare claim to be God, or Kåñëa. One should not be misled by such meaningless claims. Then again, the Lord explains His prakåti or His form. Prakåti means nature as well as svarüpa, or one’s own form. The Lord says that He appears in His own body. He does not change His body, as the common living entity changes from one body to another. The conditioned soul may have one kind of body in the present birth, but he has a different body in the next birth. In the material world, the living entity has no fixed body but transmigrates from one body to another. The Lord, however, does not do so. Whenever He appears, He does so in the same original body, by His internal potency. In other words, Kåñëa appears in this material world in His original eternal form, with two hands, holding a flute. He appears exactly in His eternal body, uncontaminated by this material world. Although He appears in the same transcendental body and is Lord of the universe, it still appears that He takes His birth like an ordinary living entity. Despite the fact Lord Kåñëa grows from childhood to boyhood and from boyhood to youth, astonishingly enough He never ages beyond youth. At the time of the Battle of Kurukñetra, He had many grandchildren at home; or, in other words, He had sufficiently aged by material calculations. Still He looked just like a young man twenty or twenty-five years old. We never see a picture of Kåñëa in old age because He never grows old like us, although He is the oldest person in the whole creation—past, present, and future. Neither His body nor His intelligence ever deteriorates or changes. Therefore, it is clear that in spite of His being in the material world, He is the same unborn, eternal form of bliss and knowledge, changeless in His transcendental body and intelligence. Factually, His appearance and disappearance is like the sun’s rising, moving before us, and then disappearing from our eyesight. When the sun is out of sight, we think that the sun is set, and when the sun is before our eyes, we think that the sun is on the horizon. Actually, the sun is always in its fixed position, but owing to our defective, insufficient senses, we calculate the appearance and disappearance of the sun in the sky. And, because His appearance and disappearance are completely different from that of any ordinary, common living entity, it is evident that He is eternal, blissful knowledge by His internal potency—and He is never contaminated by material nature. The Vedas also confirm that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is unborn, yet He still appears to take His birth in multi-manifestations. The Vedic supplementary literatures also confirm that even though the Lord appears to be taking His birth, He is still without change of body. In the Bhägavatam, He appears before His mother as Näräyaëa, with four hands and the decorations of the six kinds of full opulences. His appearance in His original eternal form is His causeless mercy, according to the Viçvakoça dictionary. The Lord is conscious of all of His previous appearances and disappearances, but a common living entity forgets everything about his past body as soon as he gets another body. He is the Lord of all living entities because He performs wonderful and superhuman activities while He is on this earth. Therefore, the Lord is always the same Absolute Truth and is without differentiation between His form and self, or between His quality and body. A question may now be raised as to why the Lord appears and disappears in this world. This is explained in the next verse.

 

TEXT 7

 

yadä yadä hi dharmasya

glänir bhavati bhärata

abhyutthänam adharmasya

tadätmänaà såjämy aham

 

yadä—whenever; yadä—wherever; hi—certainly; dharmasya—of religion; gläniù—discrepancies; bhavati—manifested, becomes; bhärata—O descendant of Bharata; abhyutthänam—predominance; adharmasya—of irreligion; tadä—at that time; ätmänam—self; såjämi—manifest; aham—I.

 

TRANSLATION

Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.

 

PURPORT

The word såjämi is significant herein. Såjämi cannot be used in the sense of creation. because, according to the previous verse, there is no creation of the Lord’s form or body, since all of the forms are eternally existent. Therefore såjämi means that the Lord manifests Himself as He is. Although the Lord appears on schedule, namely at the end of Dväpara-yuga of the twenty-eighth millennium of the eighth Manu, in one day of Brahmä, still He has no obligation to adhere to such rules and regulations because He is completely free to act in many ways at His will. He therefore appears by His own will whenever there is a predominance of irreligiosity and a disappearance of true religion. Principles of religion are laid down in the Vedas, and any discrepancy in the matter of properly executing the rules of the Vedas makes one irreligious. In the Bhägavatam it is stated that such principles are the laws of the Lord. Only the Lord can manufacture a system of religion. The Vedas are also accepted as originally spoken by the Lord Himself to Brahmä, from within his heart. Therefore, the principles of dharma, or religion, are the direct orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead (dharmaà tu säkñät-bhagavat-praëétam). These principles are clearly indicated throughout the Bhagavad-gétä. The purpose of the Vedas is to establish such principles under the order of the Supreme Lord, and the Lord directly orders, at the end of the Gétä, that the highest principle of religion is to surrender unto Him only, and nothing more. The Vedic principles push one towards complete surrender unto Him; and, whenever such principles are disturbed by the demonic, the Lord appears. From the Bhägavatam we understand that Lord Buddha is the incarnation of Kåñëa who appeared when materialism was rampant and materialists were using the pretext of the authority of the Vedas. Although there are certain restrictive rules and regulations regarding animal sacrifice for particular purposes in the Vedas, people of demonic tendency still took to animal sacrifice without reference to the Vedic principles. Lord Buddha appeared to stop this nonsense and to establish the Vedic principles of nonviolence. Therefore each and every avatära, or incarnation of the Lord, has a particular mission, and they are all described in the revealed scriptures. No one should be accepted as an avatära unless he is referred to by scriptures. It is not a fact that the Lord appears only on Indian soil. He can advent Himself anywhere and everywhere, and whenever He desires to appear. In each and every incarnation, He speaks as much about religion as can be understood by the particular people under their particular circumstances. But the mission is the same—to lead people to God consciousness and obedience to the principles of religion. Sometimes He descends personally, and sometimes He sends His bona fide representative in the form of His son, or servant, or Himself in some disguised form.

The principles of the Bhagavad-gétä were spoken to Arjuna, and, for that matter, to other highly elevated persons, because he was highly advanced compared to ordinary persons in other parts of the world. Two plus two equals four is a mathematical principle that is true both in the beginner’s arithmetic class and in the advanced class as well. Still, there are higher and lower mathematics. In all incarnations of the Lord, therefore, the same principles are taught, but they appear to be higher and lower in varied circumstances. The higher principles of religion begin with the acceptance of the four orders and the four statuses of social life, as will be explained later. The whole purpose of the mission of incarnations is to arouse Kåñëa consciousness everywhere. Such consciousness is manifest and nonmanifest only under different circumstances.

 

[sumedh]

Hare Krishna

 

In addition to the purports posted above, i would say the following.

 

 

Reincarnation means FUSION OF BRAHMAN into a body form. LORD KRSNA if comes back alive is NOT SUPPOSED TO COME BACK IN THE SAME BODY FORM, according to the principle of MOKHA. WHY? LORD KRSNA is already in MOKSHA 24/7 or all the time.

 

 

 

This is completely wrong. You think that the Supreme Lord takes on a material body!!! No, as explained in the purports the body of the Supreme Purusha is ever transcendental sat-chit-ananda (just like material bodies are sattva-rajas-tamas) with full spiritual senses and He never comes under the influence of the material world. Of course, the normal conditioned soul does not see the transcendental form rather just a shadow form which appears material to them and so this foolish theory of Brahman fusing into a body form.

 

What is this "principle of moksha" which you are referring to?

[Pankaja_Dasa]

 

"Our Krsna consciousness movement is teaching the whole world this central point, and because we are not polluting the theme of Bhagavad-gita As It Is, anyone seriously interested in deriving benefit by studying the Bhagavad-gita must take help from the Krsna consciousness movement

for practical understanding of Bhagavad-gita under the direct guidance of the Lord. We hope, therefore, that people will derive the greatest benefit by studying Bhagavad-gita As It Is as we have presented it

here, and if even one man becomes a pure devotee of the

Lord we shall consider our attempt a success."

 

A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

12 May 1971

Sydney, Australia