Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 the bija mantra for krishna is kleem, isn't it? then why chant hare-krishna mantra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Chanting hare krishna was introduced 500 years ago. In none of the vedic scriptures does it mention the hare krishna mantra. I am talking about the original sanskrit verses and not the translated ones. Chantng is good but it's not the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagatpurush Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Hare Krsna prabhu. These are some of the principal scriptural references for chanting maha-mantra, which was popularized by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu 500 years ago: harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy, the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way." (Brhan-naradiya Purana 38.126) In three out of the four ages (namely Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga and Dvapara-yuga) people had the honor to be able to understand transcendence through the path of disciplic succession. However, in the present age, people have no interest in the disciplic succession. Instead, they have invented many paths of logic and argument. This individual attempt to understand the supreme transcendence (called the ascending process) is not approved by the Vedas. The Absolute Truth must descend from the absolute platform. He is not to be understood by the ascending process. The holy name of the Lord is a transcendental vibration because it comes from the transcendental platform, the supreme abode of Krishna. Because there is no difference between Krishna and His name, the holy name of Krishna is as pure, perfect and liberated as Krishna Himself. krte yad dhyayato visnum tretayam yajato makhaih dvapare paricaryayam kalau tad dhari-kirtant "Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Vishnu, in Treta-yuga by performing sacrifices and in Dvapara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 12.3.52) Academic scholars have no entrance by means of logic and other argument into the understanding of the transcendental nature of the holy name of God. The single path in understanding the transcendental nature of hare krishna, hare krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare / hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare is the chanting of these names with faith and adherence. Such chanting will release one from designated conditions arising from the gross and subtle bodies. In this age of logic, argument and disagreement, the chanting of Hare Krishna is the only means for self-realization. Because this transcendental vibration alone can deliver the conditioned soul, it is considered to be the essence of the Vedanta-sutra, as it is stated by Lord Brahma in the Kalisantarana Upanisad that the essence of all Vedic literature is the chanting of these holy names of Krishna: hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare iti sodasakam namnam kali-kalmasa-nasanam natah parataropayah sarva-vedesu drsyate "These sixteen words of the Hare Krishna mantra are especially meant for counteracting the sins of the age of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of this age there is no alternative but to chant this maha-mantra. After searching through all the Vedic literatures one cannot find a method of religion for this age so sublime as the chanting of Hare Krishna." According to the material conception, there is duality between the name, form, quality, emotions and activities of a person and the person himself, but as far as the transcendental vibration is concerned, there is no such limitation, for it descends from the spiritual world. In the spiritual world there is no difference between the name of the person and the quality of the person. Of course in the material world there is a difference. Because the Mayavadi philosophers cannot understand this, they cannot utter the transcendental vibration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I have no idea what bija mantra is but I do know that God Himself prescribed the maha mantra for this age of Kali, and He came to establish and spread it personally. So since this is a bonafide prescription, and also the only way in this age of Kali yuga, chanting anything else but this mantra seems unnecessary to me, and mind you, to God also. Haribol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 yes it is but, do you have the understanding of the seed mantra? most likely not. seed mantras require mastery of language, intoneation, guru intitation. TM is not a good source of information. avoid them in fact run from them. this is where you get this information? why spend hundreds of dollars on info they sell when you can go to a vishnava temple and learn for FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagatpurush Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 >the bija mantra for krishna is kleem, isn't it? then why chant hare-krishna mantra? a mantra has 3 parts: bija (seed), nama (name), and nyasa (how to chant). om namah sivaya. of the 3, the bija (in your question it is kleem) is powerful, but nama is more powerful. so we chant 'Krsna', because the name is nondifferent from Krsna, and therefore more powerful than the bija representing Krishna, or kleem. kleem is used in the Vaisnava gayatri. if you want to get that, you have to become a brahmana first. thanks, Hare Krsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 the nama is more powerful than bija. But is that so only for krishna or for devatas as well? For instance, is the nama of Siva more potent than bija of siva (i do not know what the bija is)? Please explain. Also, is it dangerous to say bija mantra or nama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_yasodanandana Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 sacred names are transcendental, the deity with that name is fully manifested in the mantra in any way is chanted all distinction are only technical... in spirituality there's no partial and full.. everything is full -- the danger in saying HariNama is that our attraction for the material world can end very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagatpurush Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 >For instance, is the nama of Siva more potent than bija of siva (i do not know what the bija is)? yes the name of Lord Siva is more auspicious than the syllable used for worshipping Lord Siva (shraum or reeng). because he is a Vaisnava. vaisnava yatha sambhoh. so by remembering the pure devotee we become purified. the bija mantras are material sound vibrations, except for om, which is transcendental. >Also, is it dangerous to say bija mantra or nama? one should not say it unless properly initiated and following the rules and regs. i have heard a story of one brahmacari who was overwhelmed by lust by chanting the kama gayatri, which involves kleem, in unauthorized manner. the Hare Krishna mantra, however, is a maha-mantra, consisting only of nama. it may be safely chanted by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 what is kleem, or what does it mean? I've never heard of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Yes, also in the Ramcharitmanas by Goswami Shree Tulsidas (written around 600 years ago - specifically for the Kali-Yug, I presume; and an exceptionally marvellous piece of poetry, might I add!), the importance of Hari Naam in this Kali-Yug is reiterated with conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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