Is Siva worship indispensible?

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Rama teaches that no one can come to him unless their hearts are full of devotion to Shiva.

 

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Bros,

Perhaps, you have only read B-Gita, as such you dont know the truth.I suggest you read Shiv Puran followed by DEVI Baghvat, then you have understood Hindiusm, not before that.

You will then understand that Maa Adya shakti is the most

supreme who created Kriya, Iccha & Ngnan Shakti who is Bhrama, Vishnu and Mahesh. And she created Ambika and Kali

who are first incarnation of Adhya Shakti Kali who is also Lalita Ambika (Rajrajeshwari)who is served by Saraswati and Lakhsmi. And the spouse of Lalita Ambika is Kameshwar who is Shiv.All this happened before the birth of Shri Krishna. All these happened when the Mother who is creation

created the world and thus we have BrahmaLoka, Visnu Loka and Shiva Loka, there is no mention of Krishna at all at that time,because he was born much later. I am not going to argue who is supreme. We have to look at the facts and most purans and Bhagvatams not just Gita.

 

From Maa & Shiv Bhakta and I am also Krishna and Vishnu Bhagwan Bhakta.

 

MaaTa Pita Ki Jai

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See You are totally lost. You have to look at the root directory of the world for eg C:\. At the begining of time there were

the first Brahma, Visnu and Mahesh. Krishna was not born yet. He was born much later. So how can shiva be and incarnation of Krsna. At the begining of time the first creation was the male and female principle which is shiva

and shakti. If you are a Hindu, then please study the whole of Hinduism not just Gita.

Take for eg.Lets take neutral subject in this discussion.

Even great Rama prayed to Siva before crossing over to Lanka to defeat Ravana. Today we still have the Rameshwaram temple in South India. Nasa has satellite pics of the bridge linking Rameshwaram and Lanka. Check it out.

How you think everthing come to existence without the mother creation?

 

It is your ego that is preventing you from seeing the truth,That is why there so much mine is true, mine is supreme, mine is right. Look at the generation. Who was the first generation.

 

Lastly the problem with you guys you cannot accept others

the greatest thing to do in the world is to accept and respect others. I think troughout india you people are the problematic people who are always hving this argument, frankly I have not heard this from Mother, Rama, shiva or

even Vishnu Bhaktas, so you see where you are heading?.

I love Krishna, he never taught such things. He may have

said he is supreme. but he did said he is more supreme than

Siva.No one said that only you or your taecher said that

 

So the end I still love Krishna, but I feel sorry for you

 

Mankind

 

 

 

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Hare Krishna.

 

The truth is that know-one can be 100% certain of who the supreme is.

 

But the Vedic paths are supreme compared to the non-vedic paths.

 

So go on worshipping Lord Shiva or Lord Krishna. I am sure your worship will not be wasted if it's to the wrong God. As the supreme has common sense.

 

 

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>Answers by His Holiness Romapada Swami Maharaja, Diciple of Srila Prabhupada

>

>Forms of God

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>Q.1) In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna claims Himself to be the only supreme Lord.

>But in Siva Gita (which is in Padmapurana) Siva claims that He is the only

>supreme Lord. Various puranas praise various Lords to be the supreme

>absolute truth. This is very much confusing and this suggests the

>possibility of scriptures being man made. It is obvious that Bhagavad Gita

>or Srimad Bhagavatam are not special since Siva Gita and other puranas can

>sufficiently counter the claims made by the above said scriptures. So how

>to know who the Almighty is?

>

>

>

>Answer:

>Different puranas and literatures are meant for those under different modes

>of nature - goodness, passion or ignorance. Each emphasizes different

>objects of worship according to the particular modes. According to the mode

>one is situated in, one's faith varies (Ch 17, Bhagavad-gita). For example,

>someone influenced by mode of ignorance may resort to witch-craft or

>violence or some such unclean/harmful practices to attain their desires;

>someone in mode of passion may rely on their own capabilities or the favor

>of someone influential, but one situated in goodness may believe in

>righteous performance of duties and performing sacrifices to God as the

>means to good fortune. The Vedic literatures are meant to cater to all

>these classes of people, by strengthening the kinds of faith they are

>already inclined to in such a way that gradually they can be elevated to

>the mode of goodness and beyond. Because there are literatures for

>different kinds of people, obviously such literatures!

> glorify different objects and highlight different practices as the

>supreme goal and means. Thus some fearsome practices of worshiping Goddess

>Kali may be repulsive to one in the mode of goodness, but that is what a

>person in ignorance can strongly place faith in.

>

>Alternative to the hypothesis of scriptures being man-made, (the

>differences being due to different authors' personal opinions), such

>differences may also suggest the work of a higher intelligence to encompass

>and provide for the spiritual upliftment of entire humanity regardless of

>the wide spectrum of their modes of nature, their corresponding faith, and

>their level of spiritual evolvement. This is the actual fact, because all

>the myriad Upanishads, puranas, upapuranas and so on were all compiled by

>one person --- Srila Vyasadev --- for the above said purpose.

>

>A simple analogy may illustrate this idea: a professor in Math can outline

>syllabus for Math instruction for elementary, high school and university

>Math courses. Elementary math teaches that a greater number can never be

>subtracted from a smaller number, but as one learns the concept of negative

>numbers in higher grades, one knows better. Thus although the elementary

>and high school math seem contradictory, it is taught by the same person

>for those with different capabilities. If we understand that the same

>authority is behind all the different instructions, then it is easy to

>reconcile all contradictions.

>

>True, it could be bewildering to sort through these seemingly contradictory

>statements and understand the final conclusion, and more often than not

>people resign thinking that everything must be relative, or that the

>Absolute is something void. Such conclusions are products of mundane logic

>and hence fallacious. It is like concluding that all math is wrong. The

>fact is that in such contradictory statements, both statements may be true,

>but one truth is a higher truth than the other! One fool-proof way to

>understand the real conclusion is to understand what the author himself has

>to say in conclusion.

>

>At this point it becomes necessary to understand that Bhagavad-gita and

>Srimad Bhagavatam are in fact special evidences even among the other Vedic

>literature.

>

>Srimad Bhagavatam, especially, is called amala purana (or spotless purana)

>meaning that it is beyond the three modes of material nature unlike the

>other puranas which give instructions within the modes of nature; thus it

>is identified as para-dharma. The Bhagavatam is described as the mature

>fruit of the Vedic tree, just as of all parts of a fruit-bearing tree, it's

>ripened fruit is the most desired. There is indication even within the

>other puranas that among all the puranas Srimad Bhagavatam is the emperor,

>or ultimate authority. The puranas themselves indicate that any

>contradictions among them should be resolved by consulting Srimad

>Bhagavatam.

>

>(The author's intention is not to confuse us, so he himself gives hints and

>indications where to look for the final truth. Scriptural evidences of this

>are quoted in Jiva Gosvami's Tattva sandarbha.)

>

>The Bhagavatam was written by Vyasasdev in his complete maturity. As the

>history goes, Vyasadev completed all the Vedic scriptures including the

>Vedanta sutras and the puranas etc., and was still feeling despondent when

>he was instructed by Narada to compose a literature simply dedicated to the

>Absolute Truth without any distraction. (Please refer SB Ch 4-6) It was

>then that Vyasadev writes Srimad Bhagavatam, wherein he himself declares

>that all other literatures that don't exclusively glorify the Supreme

>Absolute Truth propound "a cheating religion" but the Bhagavatam is devoid

>of all such cheating mentality and that the only Supreme Truth is

>Vaasudeva, the son of Devaki. (Cf. SB 1.1,2)

>

>As mentioned before, other puranas do glorify some other Deity as exalted,

>and in a sense, it is true. For instance, Devi Bhagavat may glorify Durga

>as the creator, maintainer and annihilator of the cosmic manifestation and

>so on. This is a fact, these are not to be taken as mere stories to impress

>faith upon less intelligent. But as said before all these are relative

>truths, and thus dependent upon an Absolute Truth which is Krishna. Durga

>is the immediate cause of creation etc, whereas the efficient cause of all

>causes is Krishna. When Lord Brahma receives transcendental knowledge after

>thousands of years of penance, he offers prayers to the Supreme Lord and

>there he describes the entire cosmic situation. He states there that Durga

>creates, maintains and annihilates just as instrument to carry out the will

>of Govinda (Cf. Brahma Samhita) Similarly, Lord Shiva is in one sense non-

>different from Krishna; he is but a transformation of Vishnu, just as

>yogurt is but a transfor!

>mation of milk. His glories cannot be minimized. Within the created

>region, he is the `Mahesvara', the controller of all other isvaras, greater

>than even Lord Brahma. Thus his supremacy in the material world is

>established, even within Vaishnava literatures and the statements such as

>the one referred to by you are not false. However, even Lord Shiva is NOT

>SUPREMELY INDEPENDENT of Krishna. Sri Krishna alone claims "There is no

>other Truth beyond Me." (Bg. 7.7) Lord Shiva is thus himself one of

>principal acaryas of the four bona fide sampradayas teaching Krishna bhakti

>to his followers. Even Sankaracarya (who is but an incarnation of Lord

>Shiva with a special mission to preach impersonalism and bewilder the

>atheists) concludes that only Narayana is beyond the material realm:

>`narayana paro `vyaktat' etc.

>

>Finally, I would like to mention that transcendental truth cannot be

>established merely by logical arguments and counter-arguments. Vedic

>authority is the final evidence, and in order to reconcile different

>interpretations of its conclusions, we may use logical inferences that

>establish the truth.

>

>However, as Krishna recommends (Bg 4.34), the only way to conclusively

>understand the truth is by receiving guidance from self-realized souls or

>as said in Mahabharat, to follow such mahajanas as Prahlada, Bhisma,

>Brahma, Shiva, Narada etc. and by the grace of God.

 

BG Chapter 7, Verse 7.

O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.

 

BG Chapter 7, Verse 23.

Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.

 

BG Chapter 7, Verse 24.

Unintelligent men, who know Me not, think that I have assumed this form and personality. Due to their small knowledge, they do not know My higher nature, which is changeless and supreme.

 

BG Chapter 7, Verse 25.

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am covered by My eternal creative potency [yoga-maya]; and so the deluded world knows Me not, who am unborn and infallible.

 

Brahma Samhita Verse 1

 

isvarah paramah krsnah

sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah

anadir adir govindah

sarva-karana-karanam

 

Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.

 

Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be Happy.

 

 

 

 

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Lord Shiva is God as we would like, for every one is God according to Adi Shankara Acarya in his refrain "Sivo Ham, Sivo Ham" Now The ONE GOD is indeed BRAHMAN which all shastras proclaim. So all other Avatriis are Demigods. Dont forget the Mahavakyas!!!!!

 

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Krsna is the source of everything, He alone is the highest.

Lord Siva is very special, most iskcon devotees think he is just a demigod, but this is not true, just read Caitanya Caritamrta, when Lord Caitanya travelled around India, he would always visit temples of Lord Siva. Lord Siva is greatest devotee, he is like in between God and human beings, i think humans have 78% potency of God, while Lord Siva is 82% or 84% (can't remember). Many great devotees prayed and worship Lord Siva, including the 6 Goswamis, Lord Siva even takes the form of a gopi to serve Krsna, and he is the guardian of Radha Kunda.

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Brahman can be worshipped in many different forms and the Ultimate Reality can be experienced in many different ways ence Hindu dharma has different paths to God such as Bhakti yoga, Karma yoga, Gnyana yoga and Raj yoga.

th Rig ved says 'ekam sat vipra bahuda vadanti—“Truth is One, the wise call it by many names'.

Hence, eho are you to say there is only one name for God?

Shiva is God, and Krishna is God too. They are like different sides of the same coin. They are both one =Brahman. ~(just as a coin)

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this is taken from the 'Caitanya Bhagavata' by Vrndavana dasa Thakura (Antya Lila - chapter 4)

'Lord Krsna Himself says that how can any person worship Him and not worship Siva?. How can one develop love for Krsna if he disregards Lord Siva who is so dear to Lord Krsna. In the Srimad Bhagavatam it says "How can anyone render devotional service to Me without worshipping My dear devotee Siva in the proper devotional mood. A person who does not respect Siva is envious of the Vaisnavas and is a sinful reprobate."

Again, in the Skanda Purana it says "First one should worship Lord Krsna, the cause of all causes, and then worship the best of the demigods, Lord Siva. Then all the other demigods should be worshiped with great faith and devotion."

Sri Advaita Arcarya is accepted by the saintly personalities as Siva himself. This is so because Lord Caitanya gave sufficient indications to establish this truth.'

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We all know the truth that there is only one God and many forms. We all agree we need some form or cheracteristics related to the utmost to fall in love with him. To be devoted to him. and When you worship in the form of Shiva he is Sadashiva, when in form of Vishnu he is Mahavishnu, when in form of Brahma he is Parbrahma. This is the one we look forward for to be devoted to i.e. pick one of his form out of Sadashiva/Mahavishnu/Parbrahma. And all these are different names for one and only God.

 

And to answer your query. Lord Shiva is the preacher (Guru). So, we worship the saints who are our Gurus as form of Shiva. They give us the diksha to follow the path and the form of God we need to worship to reach the Ultimate. Guru is the one who sow the seed, protects the plant (this refers to the deciple), to help reach step-by-step to the ultimate Goal. Hence, we worship him. If you remember that one. "Guru Gobind dou khade kake lagon paye. Balihari Guru aapno jo Govind diyo milaye"

 

We all love Almighty and he bless us all. Amen!!