Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 One thing that we can all agree on I am sure that it is hell in today society. So who will lead us to heaven? Jesus, Krishna, Mohamad, Guru Nanuk, Buddha came here and the world has become more degraded. Certainly there must be someone here to guide us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 "Jesus, Krishna, Mohamad, Guru Nanuk, Buddha came here and the world has become more degraded." the world is made by god to be degraded... it is our duty to save us from the world and go back to godhead.. and the manifestations of god that you have written had successifully brought to liberation an infinite number of living beings there's already someone to guide you... pray intensely krsna and chant regularly hare krsna mahamantra to be blessed and obtain the shelter of a bona fide, pure, spiritual master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I appreciate your views. Where is this one to guide one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 i can give you the name of my guru maharaja and a few names of guru that i think useful to look at... and i will do it without any sectarianism if you expressely ask to me to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Yes, please explain. Just a couple of questions. Do your Gurus live in a household? Are they still alive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_yasodanandana Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 my most mercyful guru maharaja is Srila Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Goswami Maharaja.... it is well known by all devotees, godbrother and companion of Srila Prabhupada..... in kartika month he's in vrindavan, in chaitanya mission near seva kunja i appreciate very much especially also Srila Tirtha Vallabha Goswami, Srila Paramadvaiti Goswami, Srila Sadhu Goswami then Srila Svarupa Damodara Goswami, Srila Indradyumna Maharaja and Srila Radhanath Swami of Iskcon i bow at the lotus feet of such exalted vaishnavas the gurus i have said are all sannyasis, so they do not live in a private house but in temples travelling all time if they are not too old in the body to do it -- all these vaishnavas, fortunately for me, you and everyone, are alive... very much alive!!! hare krsna, go and meet them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Why do they live like sannyasis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_yasodanandana Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 it is not a new thing.. almost all gurus in our gaudya sampradaya are from the renounced order generally a sannyasi, having nothing to do for his personal or familiar care, has the possibility to devolve more effort to the preaching than a grihasta can do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Why is there a need to renounce and move away from the responsibilites of a household? Is it not possible to follow Krishna in a household? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Why is there a need to renounce and move away from the responsibilites of a household? Is it not possible to follow Krishna in a household? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 How many would benefit by them staying in a household? How many would benefit by them going to them. There have been many sages that were also householders of course especially before the time of Shankara, such as Yajnavalka, Vashishta, Kapila, the list goes on. But there are other reasons too. The duties of each are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Omshanti. If the philosophy of Karmayoga, as propagated in Gita is to be believed, then Sanyasis do not have any right to preach Gita, because they have renounced the regular karma of a household. They depend on the donations given by others. How can they achieve the so-called moksha if they themselves owe their existence to the donations of others? Will this not constitute karmic accounts? On Godly service, Roohani sevadhari, Prajapita Brahmakumar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Interesting the path of the household over the path of the sannyasi. Do many sannyasi not abandon there families etc. to find spirituality? Would this act be very spiritual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 If they did not teach (not preach) the Gita then who would? The sages analyse the scriptures etc and present it in an easily digestable form for the householders who in return, process food to an easily digestable form for the sages!! how wonderful.. There are reasons that sanyasis should not be householders and have regular jobs etc. One of them is to prevent exploitation of people. If the sannyasi claims to be able to live in any mode of life let him be a beggar so that people wont exploit other people financially in the name of religion. They do not Depend on anyone.. but willful abstinance is just as much an action as willful indulgence. As the geeta says, he who sees action in inaction and inaction in action is intelligent among men. They take whatever comes their way. IF they get fine, if they don't also fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Sometimes it is necessary to learn driving in the lonely roads before coming back to the highways of life. That is why they sometimes leave. Although the wife of a sanyassi might have a different idea about her husband leaving to find enlightenment than a householder wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_yasodanandana Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 "Is it not possible to follow Krishna in a household?" of course it is possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_yasodanandana Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 "If the philosophy of Karmayoga, as propagated in Gita is to be believed, then Sanyasis do not have any right to preach Gita, because they have renounced the regular karma of a household. " gita wants that we act (=karma) exclusively for krsna.. and a true sannyasi is 24/24 engaged in preaching krsna's message that's karma yoga..= "action in union with the absolute" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 One should have union with the supreme in the household as well so the sannyasi lifestyle is not necessary. Being a sannyasi is nothing special. Living in a houshold and having the union is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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