I cannot accept Srila Prabhupada as my spiritual father.

[sumedh]

Hare Krishna

 

 

When the Lord is said sat it mens truth. Is there falsehood in the supreme abode? Chit means living. Is there death in the supreme abode? Anand is bliss so is there misery in the supreme abode? The point is all these qualities can be shown here on earth.

 

 

 

More speculations. These terms mean a specific thing which are only present in their pure form in the vishuddha-sattva (i.e. pure goodness), not in the sattva-rajas-tamas of the material world. In fact the material world being a perverted reflection of the spiritual world, these are found in a distorted manner in this world and their opposite duals are more prominent viz. asat, achid and nirananda because this world is not sat (things are created/destroyed), lack of knowledge (a jiva in this world is due to lack of knowledge of its true nature) and nirananda (there is no happiness here and the jiva mistakes sensual happiness for happiness which is actually opposed to the nature of the soul).

 

 

When should this supreme abode be reached? Before leaving the body or after leaving the body?

 

 

 

There are different levels of answer to this question. Normally one would say after leaving the body.

 

 

It is just that the gita you quote may not be correct. God may have spoken it but Human being must have written it and falsified it, putting the name of Krishna instead of Shiva.

 

 

 

good so now we agree that you do not consider Gita as a scripture. Amazing that the said human being in question not only put the name of Krishna (instead of Shiva) in Bhagavad-Gita in your opinion, but did so with each and every vedic scripture. By the way, what was your god doing in that period when someone replaced all instances of his name with that of Krishna.

 

 

It is just that the gita you quote may not be correct.

 

 

 

It may just be that your supposed god does not exist and lekhraj was a cheater.

 

Anyway, as i said your repititions of the speculations of lekhraj are of no interest to us.

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Omshanti.

Shri Sumedh wrote:

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Amazing that the said human being in question not only put the name of Krishna (instead of Shiva) in Bhagavad-Gita in your opinion, but did so with each and every vedic scripture. By the way, what was your god doing in that period when someone replaced all instances of his name with that of Krishna.

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Your question as to "what was your god doing" proves how human gurus have made their disciples so narrowminded as to speak of your God and my God. Are Gods many or one? I think God is one and He will remain one. People like you or me may make attempts to divide God into the categories of your and mine, but the fact is that God is one. This division of God by followers of a particular sect only shows the limited knowledge that their scriptures or Gurus have given them. When the Gurus and scriptures contain limited knowledge, then how can they give the complete knowledge about God? True knowledge unites and incomplete false knowledge divides. For God's sake do not bind him the limitations of your and mine.

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari,

Prajapita Brahmakumar

 

 

[Guest guest]

Omshanti.

Shri Sumedh wrote:

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good so now we agree that you do not consider Gita as a scripture. Amazing that the said human being in question not only put the name of Krishna (instead of Shiva) in Bhagavad-Gita in your opinion, but did so with each and every vedic scripture. By the way, what was your god doing in that period when someone replaced all instances of his name with that of Krishna.

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God is one and His original name is also one, i.e. Shiva, which means kalyaankaari or benefactor. He is the only one with whose name the word "Sada", i.e. Forever is prefixed. This means that He is Sada Shiv, the only one who is forever benefactor. All other souls, whether Ram, Krishna, Abraham, Buddha, Christ, Shankarachary, Mohammad, Gurunanak, Dayanand Saraswati, Lenin etc. have caused benefit to the world but the percentage of benefit is lesser than God. So the word Sada (forever) is not added before their name. We never say Sada Brahma, Sada Vishnu, Sada Ram or Sada Krishna, because they come into the cycle of birth and death and hence they are sometimes pure and sometimes impure. But the incorporeal Trimurty God Shiva, who never enters the cycle of birth and death is forever pure, forever benefactor. He gets the tasks of creation, destruction and sustenance performed through three human souls, whose names based on their actions are Brahma, Shankar and Vishnu respectively.

As regards other names of God, He gets various other names based on the actions that He performs when He enters into an ordinary human body in the Purushottam Sangamyug (Confluence Age) at the end of the Kalpa of 5000 years. Some call him Vishwanath, some Amarnath, some Jagannath, some Rameshwar, Some call Him Gopeshwar, Pashupatinath, Babulnath. He is also called Gopal because he comes and uplifts and safeguards the cow-like innocent, pure and meek womenfolk (matas and kanyas) who have been downgraded since ages by all the so-called gurus and religious leaders. Nobody gave them their due rights until God came on Earth.

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari,

Prajapita Brahmakumar.

 

[Guest guest]

Omshanti.

Shri Sumedh wrote:

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In reply to:

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When should this supreme abode be reached? Before leaving the body or after leaving the body?

 

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There are different levels of answer to this question. Normally one would say after leaving the body.

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How would one know if one has reached the Supreme Abode after death or has taken rebirth? People of so many religions and sects say that their leaders have gone to the Supreme Abode. But how do we know if they have gone to that abode or have taken rebirth?

 

If people have been going to the Supreme Abode permanently then the human population should decrease, but it is increasing.

 

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari,

Prajapita Brahmakumar.

 

 

 

 

 

[sumedh]

Dear roohani sevadhari

Hare Krishna

 

you said:

 

How would one know if one has reached the Supreme Abode after death or has taken rebirth? People of so many religions and sects say that their leaders have gone to the Supreme Abode. But how do we know if they have gone to that abode or have taken rebirth?

 

 

 

As for the acharyas there is no doubt in anyone's (anyone sensible) mind. But this doubt is appropriate for lekhraj and followers. Furthermore, dont try to impose your lack of knowledge upon others; you do not know does not mean that others also do not know.

 

roohani sevadhari said:

 

If people have been going to the Supreme Abode permanently then the human population should decrease, but it is increasing.

 

 

 

Because animal and human souls are not different according to scriptures, but your irrational beliefs make you think otherwise.

[sumedh]

Dear roohani sevadhari

Hare Krishna

 

you said:

 

Your question as to "what was your god doing" proves how human gurus have made their disciples so narrowminded as to speak of your God and my God.

 

 

 

This only shows that your teacher has made you handicapped as regards the brain. Since your god does not exist except in your imaginations it is aptly called "your god".

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Dada Lekhraj left the body. Nobody has received true salvation trough him. He didn’t take anyone with him.

 

Knowing God trough the Gita is like knowing someone trough the net. He sais he is so and so and draws his picture etc. But meeting him in person is different isn’t it.

 

Lets say we like to go to London to Tower bridge and have a map. Our nose is in the map to find the way. But is it sensible to fix a nose in the map on arrival at Tower bridge instead of looking at the Tower bridge itself.

 

It is only possible to know God when he comes and introduces himself. Otherwise it is people talking about him, or in the case with Gita where someone has written it. There is always someone in between. A Guru is needed and is here. A scripture itself cannot give salvation, answer a question etc.

 

[sumedh]

Hare Krishna

 

roohani sevadhari said:

 

God is one and His original name is also one, i.e. Shiva, which means kalyaankaari or benefactor. He is the only one with whose name the word "Sada", i.e. Forever is prefixed. This means that He is Sada Shiv, the only one who is forever benefactor.

 

 

 

Even though this is a foolish argument, it is not even correct. Sada-Shiva is originally one of the Names of Lord Vishnu. Read the shruti which says that Lord Vishnu gives His Names to the devas including shiva et all. This signifies that all the powers etc. that reside in the devas are actually the attributes of the Supreme Lord Narayana and belong to Him.

 

For example:

"nAmAni vishvA.abhi na santi loke yadAvirAsIdanR^itasya sarvam.h

nAmAni sarvAni yamAvishanti taM vai viShNuM paramamudAharanti"

says that only Vishnu is the primary referrent of all Names. The ambhrani sukta also rules out the theory that Vishnu and Shiva are different forms of the same Being because there is stated that She (viz. Lakshmi) can make anyone as Shiva, Brahma etc. as She chooses and that the source of Her power is Lord Vishnu. (the skanda purana gives an idea of the difference using drop/deluge etc. and says that as Lord Vishnu is infinite the difference which separates Him from all the rest including Shiva/Brahma is infinite)

 

So the problem is that you do not have the fundamentals right. All the Vedas, Upanishads (and of course Gita) say that the Lord Vishnu is the Supreme Lord. So far you have not produced a single evidence (from pramanas) that your god even exists, what to say of being God.

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Omshanti.

Shri Sumedh wrote:

---------------------------Because animal and human souls are not different according to scriptures, but your irrational beliefs make you think otherwise.

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When we sow a seed of mango we get a mango tree and not a banyan tree. Similarly when a human soul takes rebirth it takes rebirth as a human being and not as any animal. Animals have resolves that are different than human beings. so how can a animal soul act through a human body? Scriptures show monkeys, bears, birds etc. speaking human language. But in the recorded history of human beings we have not witnessed any animal speaking the language of human beings. One or two animals like parrot etc. have sometimes been tutored by human beings to repeat a few words, but no animal has spoken the human languages. So just on the basis of scriptures one cannot believe that animals and human souls are not different and can transmigrate into each other's bodies. Neither is the speculation of God incarnating as animals true. How will God communicate with human beings if he incarnates as animals? When human beings cannot understand the language of human beings, how can they understand the speechless animals?

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari

Prajapita Brahmakumar.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Omshanti.

Shri Sumedh wrote:

---------------------------This only shows that your teacher has made you handicapped as regards the brain. Since your god does not exist except in your imaginations it is aptly called "your god".

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God does not make anyone handicapped. He enables even the handicapped, the illiterate, the downtrodden, the poor, the diseased and the womenfolk (who have been dominated by men over centuries) to recognize Him and his knowledge and even makes them master Almighty Authority capable of giving knowledge to the so-called authorities of scriptures, the scholars and gurus of the world.

 

As I have said earlier. God is one. He neither belongs just to me or just to you. He belongs to the entire world irrespective of caste, creed, religion, country, language, colour of skin, economical status. But he says that the poor and the less educated ones, who have lesser or no ego recognize me easily. That is why he is called Garibniwaz or deenbandhu. God is not the exclusive property of the religious scholars with command over scriptures. The tribal (the boatman kevat and kiratraj) people living in the jungles recognized Ram, but Ravan with the knowledge of all the scriptures could not recognize Ram. Although Ramayana is only a mythological story, the moral drawn from that story is that the knowledge of scriptures (like the Ravan) is not a licence to recognize God. Only devotion and love for God (like Ahilya & Shabari) is required to recognize Him.

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari,

Prajapita Brahmakumar.

 

[Guest guest]

Omshanti.

Learned Guest wrote:

---------------------------Dada Lekhraj left the body. Nobody has received true salvation trough him. He didn’t take anyone with him.

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Dada Lekhraj was not God. He was only the human medium of God for some time during this confluence age which has started from 1936-37. During the period that the incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiva entered into him to give knowledge He played the role of a spiritual mother to give birth to mouth-born Brahmins (mukhvanshavali Brahmins) and not womb-born Brahmins (the kukhvanshavali Brahmins of the world). Dada Lekhraj was only a titleholder of Brahma, shown in the picture of Trimurty Shiva published by the Brahmakumaris.

 

After Dada Lekhraj Brahma left his mortal body in 1969, the incorporeal God Shiva started playing his role through another human medium (whose spiritual name based on his actions is Shankar). Through this human medium called Shankar, the incorporeal God Father Shiva is completing the task of world transformation that remained unfinished through Dada Lekhraj Brahma. It is through this medium that the Godly task of establishing one true Aadi Sanatan Devi Devata Dharma (or deity religion in short) and heaven on earth will be completed. God is giving the true inheritance of mukti (salvation, i.e. experiencing the stage of thoughtlessness and peace) and jeevanmukti (true salvation, i.e. experiencing the stage of peace, prosperity and happiness) while living in this body itself. Those who are recognizing the Trimurty God Shiva and His knowledge are experiencing mukti and jeevanmukti numberwise while living in this body itself. God says he will take everyone along with him to the incorporeal stage of soul consciousness definitely, whether one likes or not. One may attain this stage with one's own efforts or after destroying the sins through punishments at the end of this confluence age. The choice is left to each and every soul.

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari,

Prajapita Brahmakumar.

 

 

 

[sumedh]

Hare Krishna

 

 

the moral drawn from that story is that the knowledge of scriptures (like the Ravan) is not a licence to recognize God. Only devotion and love for God (like Ahilya & Shabari) is required to recognize Him.

 

 

 

Very true, so apply the same to yourself and recognize God but not from the imaginations of lekhraj.

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Omshanti.

Shri Sumedh wrote:

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Very true, so apply the same to yourself and recognize God but not from the imaginations of lekhraj.

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I have recognized God not on the basis of any imaginations but through my intellect and my experiences and practical benefits from the knowledge. Many others have also recognized God and are enjoying His company on this earth. You may believe Shri Krishna to be God, but when God incarnates at the end of Kaliyuga he does not incarnate in an attractive personality like Shri Krishna but in an ordinary human body as promised in Gita. If one has love and devotion for God, He will Himself give us power to realize Him. God says "tumko ghar baithey bhagwaan milta hai" (you found God sitting at home). We need not grope in the dark in the jungles or religious places, pilgrimage centres to search for God. If we have love and devotion like Meera and Draupadi, He comes running to meet us and also to rescue us whenever in trouble.

But recognizing God is a different matter and following His footsteps is another matter. One may realize God, but it is not necessary that he is also following the Shrimat of God. Although we have recognized God's practical role on Earth going on presently, we are all purusharthis (effortmakers) trying to imbibe the Godly knowledge.

With regards,

On Godly service,

Roohani sevadhari,

Prajapita Brahmakumar.

 

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