STOP McDonald's from moving next to Krishna Temple!

[sampath]

Whats the problem if Mcdonalds opens a restuarant or slaughters cows near Iskcon temple?America is a free country.Anybody has freedom to do their business anywhere.Why should you be offended by what they do?What if neighbours of Iskcon feel offended by a hindu temple being there?

 

Should Mcdonalds behave according to hindu dharma and shastra in USA?It need not do so.

 

These type of protests and mentalities create a bad image for hindus.People who eat beef mind their business.Why cannot we follow their example and mind our own business?

[Guest guest]

["No matter what Talmud says, you will NOT find a single account of Jewish attack Hindus (or Buddhist)."]

 

Was impossible too. Everybody knows the Jews were enslaved and humiliated endlessly for at least 3000 years.

 

Anyway, let the jew-thing etc for now. Thread is going back to temple and Macdonalds. Try to stay close to the topic.

 

 

You're just a Doll

 

 

 

 

 

[Sephiroth]

that they're not connected directly with the Supreme.. But what's the problem? Inside what is called hinduism there's many of such religions, not all hinduism is sanatana dharma. many things are temporal dharmas, many things are adharmas...... many times more adharmic than christianism and islamism

 

No matter what religion which born out of Santana Dharma, they all had one rule - believing in God, do good and bad things will be judge by Him harshly.

 

Buddhism and Jainism (or Jews for that matter) didn't attack Hindusm and each lived in this world by following their own Laws peacefully.

 

ONLY Christianity and Islam (which has no God similar to Jewish tradition or Hindusm) is adharmic because they were designed to destroy God's (TRUE) religions.

 

Hindus should remember stories (in their Puranas) on how demons tries to take over the world by implementing their own twisted beliefs. Those stories are coming true in Kaliyuga (just as it did in the past) in form of Christianity and Islam.

[Sephiroth]

These type of protests and mentalities create a bad image for hindus.People who eat beef mind their business.Why cannot we follow their example and mind our own business?

 

It is McD who should have proper mentalities to remember that not everyone eats beef in America. There are Jews, Hindus, Buddhist and Muslims living in US now.

 

By informing them about the contents of the food they produce, they provide one of the basic information required by consumers when dealing with food stuff - list of ingredience.

 

Hmph ... why is it that Muslims can make a big fuss about Haram/Halal food (with some idiotic excuse that haram food going to become a black clod inside a person's body - an UNSCIENTIFIC nonsense) but act like idiots when others do the same thing with their own food materials?

[Sephiroth]

Scientists and historians found traces of massive floods in Mesotampia region about 4,500 B.C.

 

A large portion of this people who survived run either to India (and intergrated into Hindus society) or run to Egypt and intergrated into Eyptian society.

 

For nearly 1,000 years, this people lived along Egyptians and worship their multiple Gods, forgetting their own. The pharoahs even called himself a God and worshipped such as well (which against God's Laws).

 

About 3,500 B.C, Moses (one of the youngest son of Pharoah - his remains were found in Middle East) lead the people of Hebrew out - back to where the Promised Land, same land which flooded and took them out to Egypt in the first place. This was so Jews could receive Moses's Laws in form of Talmud.

 

Christianity is not supported by Jews and Islam is rejected totally because either one of this "religions" is accordance to God and Laws which set through Moses.

[Guest guest]

Q:It is McD who should have proper mentalities to remember that not everyone eats beef in America. There are Jews, Hindus, Buddhist and Muslims living in US now.

 

A:Is it written in American constitution that fast food outlets serving meat should not be located near religious places of worship?If you dont like the beef served there why should they bother?

 

q:By informing them about the contents of the food they produce, they provide one of the basic information required by consumers when dealing with food stuff - list of ingredience.

 

A:You should be happy for that.But that doesnt apply to this issue in anyway.

 

 

 

[Sephiroth]

A:Is it written in American constitution that fast food outlets serving meat should not be located near religious places of worship?If you dont like the beef served there why should they bother?

 

Under Laws of FDA (Food and Daily Administration, if not mistaken), ALL food products served to the public MUST come with ingredience, clearly shown for the consumers to read and understand.

 

If such list cannot be pasted onto the cover of the food product itself, such as McDonald's burger and fries, a general note should be pasted to show clearly the contents of the food stuff.

 

In Malaysia, such statements comes in form of Halal signs and clear signs and separations of compartments according to the meats (beef, chicken, fish, daily product, vegetables etc).

 

Such actions doesn't only occurs in Malaysia, but also in many parts of the World. IF McD do not follow basic requirement of FDA and sensitivity of the consumers, it is liable to be sued by the consumers.

[Guest guest]

No matter what religion which born out of Santana Dharma

••all religion born out from sanatana dharma.. because everything is a derivation from the sanatana dharma practiced all over the world thousand years ago and sanatana dharma (the eternal duty to riconnect ourselves with god) is in the heart of everyone.

There's corruption of the original source, and if such corruption is in an indian religion, this religion is out of sanatana dharma even if there's some external practices, poojas, rites coming from vedas

 

Hindus should remember stories (in their Puranas) on how demons tries to take over the world by implementing their own twisted beliefs.

•••yes.. almosta all asuras are indians

 

so better you do not reduce sanatana dharma or adharma as something who has to do with states, race, and religious denomination

 

gita says that if you are not initiated and instructed by a pure "tattva darshinah" master , one who sees the absolute truth, god, you are adharmic even if you identificate yourself with something that you believe born from sanatana dharma

 

you are not a puppet.. you are the eternal soul inside the puppet

[Sephiroth]

••all religion born out from sanatana dharma.. because everything is a derivation from the sanatana dharma practiced all over the world thousand years ago and sanatana dharma (the eternal duty to riconnect ourselves with god) is in the heart of everyone.

 

Wrong ... you can trace by methods of History when each religion came from.

 

Jewish Traditions came from people of Mesotapmia who escaped from the flood nearly 4,500 B.C and went to Egypt. 1,000 years later, Moses lead them out back to the same area they escape from - region today known as Israel.

 

Some of this pre-Jews escape to India and lived side by side with dark-skinned people of India. They introduced Writing methods to Indians and from there, Gita and such is born from verbal methods which Indians had earlier.

 

However, there is little linkage between Jewish tradition and Christianity. Christians made Jesus into a God who worshipped, and this is against Jewish Traditions.

 

Then later, Muhammad came to play. He took information from Jewish Traditions and Christianity (from growing up among them in Arab) and follow by influence either by Hindusm or Buddhism during his 15 years of business travels, Muhammad created a new religion called Islam.

 

The similarities are only in a few things which is similar between Laws of Moses, Santana Dharma and Islam, like Laws stating there is no God but One (but in practise, Muhammad become Muslims' indirect God).

 

There's corruption of the original source, and if such corruption is in an indian religion, this religion is out of sanatana dharma even if there's some external practices, poojas, rites coming from vedas

 

Wrong ... there is NO corruption in Jewish traditions or poojas in Hindusm.

 

A Muslim once asked me "What is the proof that Hindusm is still follow its original religion (as stated in Gita 5,000 years ago)?"

 

And I answered - "The proof is on how Hindus (Buddhist and Jews) live their lives. IF Santana Dharma has no truth, they could have not live a proper lives as they did before Islam invaded India and produced beautiful arts, Knowledge and Science."

 

And 1,400 years since Islam came to be ... WHAT is the contribution of Islam to the world? NOTHING ... because God never with Muslims, therefore, God never bestow upon them the blessing they need to live a proper life.

 

"He who lives by blessing of God shall prosper." - Talmud.

[Guest guest]

Wrong ... you can trace by methods of History when each religion came from.

••history is in puranas... in satya, treta and dvapara yuga all the world is sanatana dharmic with natural variety... when kali yuga comes, religion splits in groups who soon make war between themselves.

If you calculate thet jewish tradition, some hindu tradition, buddhist tradition etc. is more young than kali yuga's start, it means that such tradition is coming from something who comes from sanatana dharma. up to you to decide if it is a corruption or not..

 

Some of this pre-Jews escape to India and lived side by side with dark-skinned people of India. They introduced Writing methods to Indians and from there, Gita and such is born from verbal methods which Indians had earlier.

••so why you are so attached to sanatana dharma if you do not believe in it? No vedic source says something like this.. dark skin, no writing.. non sense..

 

A Muslim once asked me "What is the proof that Hindusm is still follow its original religion (as stated in Gita 5,000 years ago)?"

••it is a nonsense question... Hinduism is a classification invented by muslims and inside indian religions there's something from the original religion of the gita and something completely adharmic.

You too are not following the original religion of the gita because you are not believing in the history as recalled by dharmic scriptures but you talk of arian invasion and other modern-unscientific-nonsenses

 

and take diksa and siksa.... or you are adharmic if you try to speak of dharma even if you identificate yourself with it

 

 

[Sephiroth]

••history is in puranas...

 

Puranas speaks of Dewas and Demons as well. Do you know their history? You don't. By avoiding accepting history which proven by historians NOW in this time and era, you are trying to defend Islam and Christianity to be something which comes out of Santana Dharma, which is false.

 

ANYONE could claim they are followers of Santana Dharma and create a corrupted beliefs such as Islam. Those are lies and therefore, should be treated as such.

 

••so why you are so attached to sanatana dharma if you do not believe in it? No vedic source says something like this.. dark skin, no writing.. non sense..

 

History and Archaelogical finds says there was dark skin and white skin people who lived in peace (NO Invasions as what British and Muslims potrayed) in India over 3,000 years ago.

 

Also, ALL Puranas and the Gita which exist today can be traced back to the writing forms back to 3,100 B.C, about the same time there occurred flood in Mesotapmia Regions and hundreds of people escaped to India.

 

If there was a Vedic source supporting or denying such, then it could false one which came after Christians and Muslims came into play.

[Guest guest]

I asked about laws prohibiting fast food outlets from being located near places of worship and you are talking about providing info about ingredients.

 

I will repeat my question again

 

Q:Is it written in American constitution that fast food outlets serving meat should not be located near religious places of worship?If you dont like the beef served there why should they bother?

 

[Sephiroth]

Q:Is it written in American constitution that fast food outlets serving meat should not be located near religious places of worship?If you dont like the beef served there why should they bother?

 

No, there is no such Constitution of such. Only thing the devotees could do is bycott ALL MacDonald outlets altogether.

[Guest guest]

By avoiding accepting history which proven by historians NOW in this time and era, you are trying to defend Islam and Christianity to be something which comes out of Santana Dharma, which is false.

••there's no defense or offense... simply every religion comes from dharma

 

and the most corrupted ones are not necessarily the non indians

[Guest guest]

History and Archaelogical finds says there was dark skin and white skin people who lived in peace (NO Invasions as what British and Muslims potrayed) in India over 3,000 years ago.

 

Emmelin Plunret: "They were very advanced Hindu astronomers in 6000 BC. Vedas contain an account of the dimension of Earth, Sun, Moon, Planets and Galaxies." (‘Calendars and Constellations’)

 

Some people have also said that the ramayana happen iin 25,000 BC...long before jews existed.

In the mahabharata , there is even talk about atomic weapons one that arjun possesed could counteract an atomic weapon ..he was given that by shiva.

Read up on what sri mahaprabhuji of ISKON has to say on the kshatriya spirit...we were way ahead of the jews in our time. Infact in the bible it says three men came from the east...and quite a few scholars say that the three men were yogis from india...

[Sephiroth]

Some people have also said that the ramayana happen iin 25,000 BC...long before jews existed.

 

1st settlement of Humans in India (according to Modern History) is 180,000 years ago.

 

According to the Bible (however corrupted it maybe), Man tried to create a tall tower to climb back to present of God and this tower symbolized Man's Ego and Pride. God smitten it down and order them to spread across the world. That is why, there had been three migration from 250,000 years ago which resulted in settling down in India as well.

 

So, if you consider those who left Africa and come to India as Hebrews (as define by the Bible), then Indians are descendants of Hebrews as well. If Ramayana occured 25,000 B.C, it is logical and still within time frame of acceptable argument.

 

In the mahabharata , there is even talk about atomic weapons one that arjun possesed could counteract an atomic weapon ..he was given that by shiva.

 

Read up on what sri mahaprabhuji of ISKON has to say on the kshatriya spirit...we were way ahead of the jews in our time. Infact in the bible it says three men came from the east...and quite a few scholars say that the three men were yogis from india...

 

Read up History and Science first. People who has NO knowledge and understanding of Science and History will become weak in defending against attacks on their beliefs.

 

Maybe this is why I have seen a LOT of Hindus know Puranas and Gita by heart but don't know much on Science and History and end up making stupid claims like Puranas are fairy tales taught by elders to put children to sleep.

[Guest guest]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and is a disgrace to hindus everywhere by acting like a mindless fanatic.

 

Christianity follows all the laws of Moses, especially by condensing all ten into 2 - by loving God with all thy might, and by loving your neighbour (not one who lives near you, but everyone other than yourself). And it's about loving even your enemies, those who curse you.

 

Obviously you're either not a hindu or someone fanatically brainwashed, or someone trying to promote hatred.

 

Start talking when you have at least some idea of what you're talking about. Otherwise, keep the hate to yourself and don't open your mouth.

[Guest guest]

This one is Jew. Does anyone know a Jew forum for him to spread his nonsense ?

[Guest guest]

^ This one is a mindless racist who knows nothing else to do but throw insults to those who point out their narrow mindedness. Does anyone know any racist forums for this one to go and spread words of hate and ignorance?

[Guest guest]

The Guest wondered if he was Hindu. I said he was Jew and the Jew also call himself a Jew. Who is the racist ? Maybe the one who think Jew is bad name?

 

You look who is saying Hebrews are aryans and telling many more nonsense.You look and who are spread hate all the time and call people dogs. You make really a good check who is making all the insulting and then come back please. I dont make flame on this forum but take my advice to check his posts an learn.

[Guest guest]

if you want use your word moron say to yourself. You want to do insulting do for yourself. you check. Enough said.It is you and you alone who is making names

[Guest guest]

I am an muslim and therefore thinking diffrent prospective form whatever you guys thinking.

 

ISIT possible that the only reason this topic was bought up because you believe that having a MCdonald right next to the temple might incourage to go in there and buy something to do with Cow meat?

 

But don't u think that your faith is strong enough to aviod the temptation to go inside the McDonald?

 

As I am a muslim... it is "haram" (Not allowed) for me to go and eat from McDonalds due to the fact they sell haram meat.

 

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[Guest guest]

/// But don't u think that your faith is strong enough to aviod the temptation to go inside the McDonald?///

 

Thats the funny thing. They are not afraid of getting seduced. They protest that MacDonald will come next to a temple in America .

 

///As I am a muslim... it is "haram" (Not allowed) for me to go and eat from McDonalds due to the fact they sell haram meat.///

 

They also sell French Fries.

 

I got a question for you. You think Muslims in America will protest if Mcdonalds or some restaurant that sells pork will come close to a Mosque ? In America? Maybe they dont like but I wonder if they make big fuzz and think they have the right to demand McDonalds should go else.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am an muslim and therefore thinking diffrent prospective form whatever you guys thinking.

••so you do not think different because it seems to you right to do it, but because you are muslim... if you see me eat rice and throw away stools, you eat stools and throw away rice?

 

ISIT possible that the only reason this topic was bought up because you believe that having a MCdonald right next to the temple might incourage to go in there and buy something to do with Cow meat?

••obviously it is possible for someone very neophite or a guest. We have to protect such people who god sends to us to be taught about spiritual consciousness..

 

But don't u think that your faith is strong enough to aviod the temptation to go inside the McDonald?

••there's no faith involved... to kill innocent animals and eat them is an obstacle to any spiritual path..

 

As I am a muslim... it is "haram" (Not allowed) for me to go and eat from McDonalds due to the fact they sell haram meat.

••a real religion has to be unequivocally logic in his basic rules. There's no logic reason to avoid to eat only some species, be vegetarian and that's all. God has put such limitations to muslims to make then gradually progress to complete non violence. So be a better islamist and be vegetarian..

[Guest guest]

America is America. In America McDonalds is allowed. Thats the law and logic. If people cannot understand this they only give themselve more bad name.