gokulkr Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 I think reading entire Bhavishya Purana will help to something sort for this "Aryan topic". Atleast it might give us a clue. am i right ? any one have Bhavishya Purana with u ? /images/graemlins/smile.gif Jai Shri Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravidian Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 What you say sparks some interest. From what I have come to understand, The Aryan's are the noble class of the Dravidian people. It really has nothing to do with "white" or caucasian people. Overtime the term was basterdized by white supremasists to say that they are the noble race (Hitler). The Word comes from the Dravidian language and root word Arya wich means noble. The Dravidians are a black people with curly to staright hair, and were an advanced civilization that spread from South India (around present day Kerala) to Sri Lanka and to the North of India, in those times up to present day Iraq. Of course there were people of "other" phsyical feature that also inhabited these parts at this time also especially in the North. From what I have read of scholars, they could have been the most original people of India as far as our history records can assume. The Dravidians also spread to Africa, and are related to present day Ethiopians. If you look at a Tamil and an Ethiopian the features are quiet similar...indicative of common ancestory. There are also theories on how Dravidian languages like Tamil, Telegu, Malayali, etc. are older than Sanskrit and are foundations for Sanskrit. So from what I understand, "Aryan" is a very old term, and it was used as a class title, nothing to do with race, or colour. We meditate on the glory of the Creator; Who has created the Universe; Who is worthy of Worship; Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light; Who is the remover of all Sin and Ignorance; May He enlighten our Intellect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravidian Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 From what I have come to understand, there is has been arceological evidence for some time now that points out that the Aryan invasion is falsity. The theory is crumbling and not taken seriously among scholars today. In an attempt to "save" the bogus theory those that have put it forth have changed the theory to the "Aryan migration theory" to look somewhat scholarly instead of as white supramasists. If one wants to look this up please refer to Hindu Universe, and the article written by Dr. Frawley. There has been cultural and racial imperialism that has infected the history telling of the human race for a long time. I wish people would stop trying to steal the glory of other civilizations. There is no need for that unless one is insecure of there heritage. It is apparent that "lighter skinned" people came to India eventually, but to say that they conqured is the existing peoples is quiet a large assumption that is not reasoned well. Evidence in the Mahabarata points out that there was a large war, that was very advanced technologically. The warriors used nuclear weapons, lightening weapons, fire, water and earth weapons. Lasers, and light beams, flying vehicles and ships were also used. Those which are called arrows were actually missiles. The sanskrit word "vimana", literally translates into airplane in english. Archeological evidence today points out that there is an unusually high level of radiation in the Northern parts of India where this great war would have taken place. And the ancient Indian cities which are now in the coutries of Iraq and Iran were stricken by a nuclear fall out. The ancient massive fortresses and buildings which are buried now, are singed and glazed over due to what only extreme heat could have done. evidence of skeletons of people in the streets just seemed to have dropped dead, consistent with a nuclear fall out. Here is a quote from the Mahabarata: "Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendour. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas." There are also evidence of highly advanced technology in the Ramayana. I didn't want to make this too long but there are many other quotes if anyone is interested I will post them. If poeple were to conquer the Indians, it would be after this great war that wiped out so many of our cities and peoples, leaving us weak for invasion. However, there are still theories that claim that these weapons and vimanas are still around, guarded by a secret order of Indians. Supposed UFO sightings are associated with these vimanas. However I doubt that the Indian peoples were conquered so dramatically. I believe it was a slow process, and the attacks of many different peoples have taken over India. Hence the variety of religion and physical features in the people today. In any case the Aryan Invasion Theory is bogus. The Aryans are not white, not originally anyway. Aryan is The Dravidian noble class, which later enveloped the Hindu noble class. Overtime, the caste system became prejudice and discriminatory, dur to the Kali-Yuga, and the lighter skinned peoples where the Aryans (Brahmins, some Ksatriyas). The orginal caste sytem was based on the virtues of the individual...higher virtues higher class. The term Varnas referred to colour in virtue not skin. White being pure in virtue and character. So it is said by Krishna. One was a certain clas because of one's characteristics, not because of whom they were born to. One was able to move up and down the caste system as their virtues deemed. The caste system today is a mockery and basterdization of what it was in purer times. It has become tainted and lacks integrity. As a Hindu and a Dravidian, I refuse to let cultural and racial imperialists taint and spread propaganda into and about my heritage and peoples. It is the duty of all Hindus to protect and profess the truth as they know best. If I am wrong on any of these accounts, please accept my humble apologee in advance to any I have offended. We meditate on the glory of the Creator; Who has created the Universe; Who is worthy of Worship; Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light; Who is the remover of all Sin and Ignorance; May He enlighten our Intellect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Latest earthquake in history science: http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/lietuvos_dievai/lt_index.htm http://www.neara.org/MiscReports/12-08a-03.htm Finding in Nebra (today Germany) just confirmed that Arians culture and science older and more advanced than Egyptian, Sumerian or Cretans. This geographical area was Baltic and Celtic language border till 70 B. D – 250 A.D. when Germans or Siberians moved in. Arians are people (nothing to do with Germanic tribes at all) that lived over there, not in Siberia wilderness. Dhumas from Lietuvos.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Well what did the Spanish do to the Inca's then? It took about 170ish soldiers to conquer an entire empire. Thats what Europeans can do if they want to. And stop whinging about the British, we were generous enough to give you back your country. And look at it now- what has india achieved since the end of British colonialism. Ive been and i can honestly say india's in an extremely poor state of affairs. british left India because of economic reasons of maintaining a raj in India versus the benefits of keeping India in that particular context. Besides Britain was seeing an imminent mutiny in Indian army. This is not because of your generosity. As for the current state of affairs in India, wait and see after 25 more years. Indians are not Incas. Britain got their fingers burnt in Afghanistan. Hell being a world power they could not conquer a bunch of barbarians with knives in Ahghanistan. Britain and Europe is going to disappear as an insignificant part. Just know one thing. Everything rises and falls down and it is your time to fall for racists like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Ancient Media (Medes) King ********** Herodotus's Dates ***** Length of Reign Deioces -------------- 700-647 ------------------ 53 years Phraortes ------------ 647-625 ------------------ 22 years Cyaxares ------------- 625-585 ------------------ 40 years Astyages ------------- 585-550 ------------------ 35 years 2 Kings 17:6: In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes Ancient country of northwestern Iran generally corresponding to the modern regions of Azerbaijan, Kurdistan and parts of Kermanshah. Media first appears in the texts of the Assyrian King Shalmaneser III (858 - 824 BC) in which peoples of the land of Mada are recorded. The inhabitants came to be known as Medes ..... Media: (Hebrew Madai) We first hear of this people in the Assyrian cuneiform records under the name of Amada about BC 840. They appear to have been a branch of the Aryans who came from the east bank of the Indus and were probably the predominant race for a while in the Mesopotamian Valley. They consisted for three or four centuries of a number of tribes each ruled by its own chief who at length were brought under the Assyrian yoke. From this subjection they achieved deliverance and formed themselves into an empire under Cyaxares (BC 633). This monarch entered into an alliance with the King of Babylon and invaded Assyria capturing and destroying the city of Nineveh (BC 625) thus putting an end to the Assyrian monarchy. Media now rose to a place of great power, vastly extending its boundaries. But it did not long exist as an independent kingdom. It rose with Cyaxares its first king and it passed away with him; for during the reign of his son and successor Astyages the Persians waged war against the Medes and conquered them, the two nations being united under one monarch, Cyrus the Persian (BC 558). The Cities of the Medes are first mentioned in connection with the deportation of the Israelites on the destruction of Samaria. Soon afterwards Isaiah speaks of the part taken by the Medes in the destruction of Babylon. Daniel gives an account of the reign of Darius the Mede who was made viceroy by Cyrus. The decree of Cyrus, Ezra informs us, was found in the palace that is in the province of the Medes or Ecbatana of the Greeks which is the only Median city mentioned in Scripture ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Nothing to hammer about, whether it suits you or not the Aryan Race originated in india and most Indians are pure aryans. Read Bhagwad Gita or Ramayana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Tohartian: A tre, B trai 'three': *trei- --- Lith. trys A stwar, 31 B stwer 'four': *kwetwor- --- Lith. - ketveri A päñ, 32 B pis 'five': *penkwe --- Lith. - penki A okät, B okt 'eight': *okto --- Lith. - astuoni AB ñu 'nine': *newn --- Lith. - devyni A känt, B kante '100': *kmtom - --- Lith. - simtas AB tu 'thou': *tu- - --- Lith. - tu A säm, 33 B sana 'woman': *gwena - --- Lith. Sene, pati, zmona, moteris... A pacar, B pacer 'father': *pater - --- Lith. pats, vyras A macar, B macer 'mother': *mater- --- Lith. mocia, motina, A pracar, B procer 'brother': *bhrater- --- Lith. brolis A ckacar, B tkacer 'daughter': *dhughater- --- Lith. dukte A ak, B ek 'eye': *okw- --- Lith. akis A wak, B wek 'voice': *wekw-/ *wokw- --- Lith. balsas, aidas A ko, B keu 'ox, cow': *gwou- --- Lith. galvijas, karve, kiaule A yuk, B yakwe 'horse': *ekwos --- Lith. eikvus, zirgas, arklys AB ku 'dog': *kwon- --- Lith. suo, suva, vilkas, skalikas A pält, B pilta 'leaf': *bhel- --- Lith. lapas A kukäl, B kokale 'wagon, chariot': *kwel-/ *kwol- --- Lith. karutis, vezimas, raitelis, A por, B puwar 'fire': *pur- --- Lith. ugnis A rtär, B ratre 'red': *reudh- --- Lith. raudona, ruda, rauda AB käm- 'come': *gwem- --- Lith. ask for more /images/graemlins/wink.gif AB päk- 'cook, ripen': *pekw-/ *pokw --- Lith. ask for more /images/graemlins/wink.gif etc. Dhumas from Lietuvos.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 yes. however, aryan is not a perticular race. one who lives by the vedas is an aryan. sanatana dharma (the vedas) is not race oriented. it is for all, addresses all, benefits all who follow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 sourashtrians are the genuine aryans. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namah Shivaya /images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namo Venkatesaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 This Dravid is obviously distorting history to suit his political views. The prevailing theory is that the Aryans (or Prot-Indo-Europeans) originated in the area that is now Southern Russia and the Ukraine. They were a nomadic people who spread into India, Europe, Iran, and parts of Anatolia. Karna thinks that Romans were originally Turks? Ha! The Romans were a direct result of the Nordish Indo-Europeans mingling with the aboriginal Mediterranean Whites of the Italian penninsula. As to how the Aryans were able to invade and civilize India, it can only be explained by admitting that they had superior intelligence and technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Racist fool. If there are a number of historians who argue about the origin of the Aryans and their sophistication, who are YOU to say such things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 How can you people talk about the Indo-Europeans when you can't spell words correctly in your own language? Scholars in this field master about 25 languages, and Indo-European studies is primarily a linguistic affair. Where do you get this non-sensical stuff about white European colonialists trying to disguise their ideology? I think any decent person should keep quiet when they can't rise above the dismal levels of ignorance you guys display. I know it's a free country and all, but freedom of speech doesn't entitle just about any ignorant to make a silly point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 It's been a hard fall for the so called GREAT British empire. You're rotting in hell and mark my words will continie to do so. The British took complete advantage of India's hospitality and that of the other countries it colonized. It had to use manipulation and deceit to conquer the world. And where did this stem from? From the sorry state of affairs it was in, where people walked bare-footed on the streets in abject poverty. Nobody's whining about Britain. Ghandi ji already did the needful and kicked you limey basterds out! And the whole world agrees with that. It's okay if India isn't up there with America as far as materialism is concerned. The essence of India is it's spiritualism, which far transcends any sky scraper congested cities the western world is capable of constructing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 How does it mean progressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 If one is of high caste is he more Aryan/noble than one of low caste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 are you human you are racist i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 The origin of Aryan Race in Aryavarta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The white supremists stole the name Aryan just like the Zionists are trying to steal the title of Gods chosen from the Jews. These titles have nothing to do with appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The word Aryan is applicable to persons who know the value of life and have a civilization based on spiritual realization. Persons who are led by the material conception of life do not know that the aim of life is realization of the Absolute Truth, Visnu, or Bhagavan, and they are captivated by the external features of the material world, and therefore they do not know what liberation is. Persons who have no knowledge of liberation from material bondage are called non-Aryans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 I agree the Aryan Race came from Aryavarta (India). Indians by large are purest Aryans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 NO POWER ON THIS PLANET CAN ERASE THE ARYAN RACE ORIGIN OF ARYAVARTA.THE ARYAN RACE ORIGINATED IN INDIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Indians are pure Aryans. Lord Ram and Krishna are Arya-putras (son of Aryans). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxvvii Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 No one can convince one another. Stop pointless & endless debate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 No one can erase the origin of this race it is India and most Indians are pure aryans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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