Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Ram, please note i never wrote the article but merely posted it as an item which may be of interest to indians, hindus and people in general. I dont understand what youve got a bee in your bonnet about. Im not a Christian missionary. I view christianity in its present form to be somewhat decadent- u only have to look at modern Western society to see that. But in fact the author of the article appears to have an indian name- perhaps an india had to write it to sidestep bigoted remarks such as youre prone to making- christian missionary LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 hey - i dont think you are a christian missionary jst because you posted an article. you can see that from my response to rghu. and my counter to the article is just to expose its shalowness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 Has anyone considered the fact the Aryans may have been returning home having lost the empire? Just like the Brits did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 there is a saying in tamil : vidiya vidiya ramayanam kettuttu sedhaikku raman chitappannaanaam. the point here is that there is no such race as aryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Seems like a strange thing for a Hindu to say- to deny the founding forefathers of the religion you practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 hello guest, please take on a user name so that i dont have to deal with anonymous writers. the concept of aryan race started in the 19th century and was started by the british. the word arya means a civilized individual. the word dravida refers to a place. that is all. there is no basis for aryan invasion theory except in the figment of one's imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 so the Aryan race has never been a concept in Hindusim pre 19th century? So tell me how did the British go to india and rediscovery it (from a British perspective) there? Surely it must have been a concept for the British to relearn it from India and Hinduism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 The word "Arya" in ancient texts simply referred to a noble and cultured person, one who followed the injunctions of scripture. It had no connection to race. The British were looking for a way to divide the North and South Indians, so they manufactured a history of "Aryans" and "Dravidians", where the dravidians were an conquered and enslaved race. Oddly, there is no mention of any such enslavement in any of the ancient sanskrit texts. Nor is there any mention of anything remotely identifiable with an "aryan invasion". As ram mentioned, "Dravida" refers to an area of India, as does Utkala, Gauda, etc. There were five northern and five southern regions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 With regard to the word "Aryan", while it does not refer to race, one cannot deduce from etymology that it does not. Example: the Vikings, upon reaching North America in the 900sAD gave the epithet "wretched ones" (I forget the actual Norse) to the Indians they found. No racial (or even cultural) distinction is inherent in their naming the native Indians "wretched ones", and yet it refers to a group racially and culturally separate. I suppose you Hindu nationalists are going to tell me that the Vikings that discovered "Vinland" were actually a sect of American Indians who, upon some strange whim, decided to call themselves "Vikings" and single out their blood brethren as "wretched ones"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 another translation is farmer, and was used as a way to describe a person or culture that was not nomadic. the term was coined by i think max muller,and he was very against the word being used as a racial significator, either way the idea of aryan invasion has been discredited,the only people who hold on to it have simply not been educated on the subject. the concept of aryan invasion was never proven in the first place and the theory was propagated due to economic insecurity and religious discrimination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxvvii Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 L. L. cavalli-Sforza, Addision-wesley Publishing Company, 1995, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxvvii Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 What's the meaning of ilam ( Elam?) in Tamil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneagle3000 Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 well, this is a very long story if you're talking about this. you can go research this if you like. all i think he was trying to do was tell you guys something. i think it's interesting as it is true. people migrate and some have diffrent bloodlines then others. butwe are all like brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Be careful of foreign genetic studies they are cleverly interpreted to cut the roots of great civilizations like India. truly the aryan race came from India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Do not trust the Western interpretation of race or Aryan lineage. It is total politics. I can even link the Negro to a a Swede, though it is false. Mitochondrial DNA analysis is all fake as the mother can pick up paternal sequences by genetic recombination during replication in the mother. Dr. Joshi is correct the original home of the Aryan race is Aryavarta. Also Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo-European languages. Indians mostly are the purest of Aryans. Colour variability is due to climatic differences. Example the people from Latin countries are darker than say the Sacndinavians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Ignore all genetic data published in Western journals, there is a conspiracy going on. I can even link the Negro with the Swede genetically, though I know this is false. Mitochondrial DNA analysis has no basis as the mother can pick up paternal DNA by means of recombination during replication. Dr. M.M. Joshi is correct that the Aryan Race originated in Aryavarta and most Indians in every part of India are the purest of Aryans. The colour variability is due to climatic factors example the people of Latin countries are darker than Scandinavians. Also Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo-European languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 As Guru Prabhupada suggests:<blockquote>The word Aryan means advanced. Unless one is spiritually advanced, he cannot be called an Aryan, and this is the difference between Aryan and non-Aryan. Non-Aryans are those who are not spiritually advanced. By following the Vedic culture, by performing great sacrifices and by becoming a strict follower of the Vedic instructions, one may become a brAhmaNa, a sannyAsI or an Aryan.</blockquote> An Aryan would not invade anyone. QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 TheWest has tried to change the criterion for Aryan race. The first use of this word Aryan is from the Rigveda. By Aryan is meant a person of Aryvarta whose colour ranged from White to Brown. Ancient Iran an Aryan land had also the same colour criterion. Mitochondrial DNA studies are not genuine. As often a women can pick up paternal DNA sequences in her mitochondrial DNA by recombination. The Western racial studies are politically-loaded. The only true criterion for the Aryan Race can be Indian and Zoroastrian. Prof. Aryaman Mishra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Sorry to be a pedant and probably an ignoramus, but I thought that Mitochondria only transmitted throught the female and dies with the male, therefore no male transmitts mitochondrial DNA, the little bit which propells the sperms individually dies when the sperms genetic material is integrated and the female mitochondria takes over all mitochondrial "duties". Please correct me if I am wrong. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Sure whites have invaded in india, but they are not aryans as they say or think. aryan is one who accepts the authority of the vedas and lives by it. an arya can be of any race. at this time most hare krishnas who are white, are aryans. the cradle of aryans or the vedic culture is india, not europe. when DNA studies are carried under the aegis of a hindu or vaishnav org., then only i would believe the conclusion regards to the caste system. jai sri krishna! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 I totally agree with Dr. Joshi that most of us Indians belong to the pure Aryan Race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 that means that Jagai and Madhai also belonged to the pure Aryan race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 No doubt I agree after reading your epics the aryans most likely originated in India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Genetics is easy to manipulate what is certain the first Aryan was Manu and Aryans came from India and Sanskrit is the oldest Indo-Aryan language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravidian Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Good post Guest...my sentimenst exactly. I ahve posted similar explanations of caste and varna, and the meaning of arya in other discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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